Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny
Almost 80 million people with employer health plans could find their coverage canceled because they are not compliant with ObamaCare, several experts predicted. Their losses would be in addition to the millions who found their individual coverage cancelled for the same reason. 'Almost 80 million with employer health care plans could have coverage canceled, experts predict' http://www.foxnews.com/politics/tens-millions-would-lose-plans/ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/26/evidence-shows-obama-administration-predicted-tens-millions-would-lose-plans/ On 11/1/2013 11:29 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: It's probably closer to 80 million, but, it could be a lot more than that. It's been estimated that over 44 million Americans don't have medical insurance, for one reason or another, and another 38 million have less than optimum health care insurance. SNIP On 11/1/2013 10:20 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation?* * * *Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here.* Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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The 93 million I mentioned earlier was supposedly taken from the Federal Register. However I'm hearing it could be even worse. The 80 million you are referring to, I think, are 80 million policies and there are usually multiple people, families, on each policy. Many employers are going to find it cheaper to pay the penalty than buying insurance for their employees. The cancellation letters for these policies should be going out just before the elections unless the Democrats can figure a way to stop them or delay them till after the elections. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:31 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Almost 80 million people with employer health plans could find their coverage canceled because they are not compliant with ObamaCare, several experts predicted. Their losses would be in addition to the millions who found their individual coverage cancelled for the same reason. 'Almost 80 million with employer health care plans could have coverage canceled, experts predict' http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/26/evidence-shows-obama-administration-predicted-tens-millions-would-lose-plans/ On 11/1/2013 11:29 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: It's probably closer to 80 million, but, it could be a lot more than that. It's been estimated that over 44 million Americans don't have medical insurance, for one reason or another, and another 38 million have less than optimum health care insurance. SNIP On 11/1/2013 10:20 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: 93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation? Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here. Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*. From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny
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Just another phoney, made up scandal, right? On 11/1/2013 9:35 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*. *From:* emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:15 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny alt
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93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation? Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here. Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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The health insurance companies are extortionists anyway. Why would you want to keep paying money to them? I hope hey all go bankrupt. On 11/01/2013 07:35 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*. *From:* emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:15 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny alt
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OK - let's say it is just half of that - 45 million, which sounds closer, anyway. It is a rigged game. Any policies that don't carry all the coverages that are now federally mandated, must be cancelled, as mine was, and reissued. It is not 'bad actors', as the prez is saying - It is federal law, which he signed into place. It gets better. Then, when the policy is reissued, surprise, now, more than double. Subsidies are only available on the more expensive plans, anyway. My choice, subsidized, or not, is basic insurance, with a $5000 annual deductible, for $560/mo. I'd have to spend almost $12,000, per year, before getting a dollar reimbursed. No thanks. Gee, I feel so grateful for 'health reform'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation? Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here. Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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Better start watching something other than MSNBC Judy. Fox is reporting that as early as '10 the administration knew that a very high percentage of people, offered insurance in the work place ,could possibly lose theirs as well. Some 63% of small businesses as well as 45% of large businesses could be sending out cancellation letters. Possibly as high as 93 million. Possibly? Probably? Who cares, it's meant to be, to force people on to Obamacare. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny 93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation? Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here. Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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Never had any problem with BCBS paying my medical bills. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny The health insurance companies are extortionists anyway. Why would you want to keep paying money to them? I hope hey all go bankrupt.On 11/01/2013 07:35 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*. From: mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny
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BTW is it just a coincidence that the employer mandate has delayed till next year? Those letters wouldn't be going out till after the elections From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny Better start watching something other than MSNBC Judy. Fox is reporting that as early as '10 the administration knew that a very high percentage of people, offered insurance in the work place ,could possibly lose theirs as well. Some 63% of small businesses as well as 45% of large businesses could be sending out cancellation letters. Possibly as high as 93 million. Possibly? Probably? Who cares, it's meant to be, to force people on to Obamacare. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny 93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation? Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here. Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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It's probably closer to 80 million, but, it could be a lot more than that. It's been estimated that over 44 million Americans don't have medical insurance, for one reason or another, and another 38 million have less than optimum health care insurance. According to CBS News, two million people who had medical insurance have been dropped in the last month or two, so far. It's been estimated that 19 million people or 80%, who don’t have a company-hosted plan or insurance through the Medicare or Medicaid government programs may have to find new health coverage. From what I've read, only about 300 people have managed to sign up for Obamacare, so how many people does that make that now don't have adequate medical insurance? Lets do the math. 'Obamacare: More than 2 million people getting booted from existing health insurance plans' CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/obamacare-more-than-2-million-people-getting-booted http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57609737/obamacare-more-than-2-million-people-getting-booted-from-existing-health-insurance-plans/ 'Health Policies Canceled in Latest Hurdle for Obamacare' Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/health-policies-canceled http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-29/health-policies-canceled-in-latest-hurdle-for-obamacare.html 'Healthcare Crises' PBS: http://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html On 11/1/2013 10:20 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation?* * * *Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here.* Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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Maybe because if you have health insurance you won't have to declare personal bankruptcy after an illness? On 11/1/2013 10:52 AM, Bhairitu wrote: The health insurance companies are extortionists anyway. Why would you want to keep paying money to them? I hope hey all go bankrupt. On 11/01/2013 07:35 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*. *From:* emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:15 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny alt
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It's nowhere near that, doc. It's only people who have individual plans who are subject to it, and they're a very small percentage of the market. Plus which, some of it is indeed bad actors, insurance companies that try to make these people believe their only option is a much more expensive one than the one that was canceled, when actually the companies have cheaper plans that meet the ACA standards and that are not that much more expensive although they provide a lot better coverage than the plan that was canceled (which will very likely save them money.in the longer run). I can't speak to your particular situation, but if you are genuinely getting stuck with much higher premiums but not much better coverage, you're among a very small group. We'd all be better off with single-payer, but the bottom line is that with ACA, most people will benefit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: OK - let's say it is just half of that - 45 million, which sounds closer, anyway. It is a rigged game. Any policies that don't carry all the coverages that are now federally mandated, must be cancelled, as mine was, and reissued. It is not 'bad actors', as the prez is saying - It is federal law, which he signed into place. It gets better. Then, when the policy is reissued, surprise, now, more than double. Subsidies are only available on the more expensive plans, anyway. My choice, subsidized, or not, is basic insurance, with a $5000 annual deductible, for $560/mo. I'd have to spend almost $12,000, per year, before getting a dollar reimbursed. No thanks. Gee, I feel so grateful for 'health reform'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation? Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here. Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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This was your employer's plan? Have you ever had to pay for health insurance on your own (though you actually did with your employer's plan)? On 11/01/2013 09:08 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Never had any problem with BCBS paying my medical bills. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 1, 2013 8:52 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny The health insurance companies are extortionists anyway. Why would you want to keep paying money to them? I hope hey all go bankrupt.On 11/01/2013 07:35 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*. *From:* mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:15 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny alt
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Well, to start with, even if that estimate weren't ridiculously high, it's not of the entire population, as you suggested at first, but only of those who have insurance through their employers. Now, Mike, despite what Fox News tells you, the government has no control over what private employers decide to do about insurance. I would imagine there would be a huge outcry from your Tea Party types if the government told these companies they couldn't drop their employee insurance plans. The government doesn't care if people get insurance through their employers, as long as it's up to ACA standards. The government has no incentive to force people onto ACA if they already have good insurance, so that claim is obviously false. ACA is for people who don't have decent, affordable insurance. The onus is on the companies who have no compunctions about leaving their employees high and dry. The fact is, though, that these people (however many of them there will be) will be able to get affordable policies through the exchanges because of ACA (without having to worry about preexisting conditions, of course, or losing their coverage if they lose their job or quit and move away or decide to start their own business and become a job creator). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Better start watching something other than MSNBC Judy. Fox is reporting that as early as '10 the administration knew that a very high percentage of people, offered insurance in the work place ,could possibly lose theirs as well. Some 63% of small businesses as well as 45% of large businesses could be sending out cancellation letters. Possibly as high as 93 million. Possibly? Probably? Who cares, it's meant to be, to force people on to Obamacare. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 1, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama Says Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny 93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation? Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here. Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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Your lie detector must be on the blink, Judy. Bottom line is, Obama baldly lied repeatedly, beyond doubt, and he should be impeached because of it. You are usually on top of people telling lies, but you seem to have really dropped the ball on this one. The question is, did the entire administration know it was a lie and why did they do it? Go figure. 'Joe Scarborough Finally Admits Obama Lied About ObamaCare' Newsbusters: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/joe-scarborough-finally-admits-obama-lied-about-obamacare http://newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-bremmer/2013/10/30/joe-scarborough-finally-admits-obama-lied-about-obamacare On 11/1/2013 11:32 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: It's nowhere /near/ that, doc. It's only people who have individual plans who are subject to it, and they're a very small percentage of the market. Plus which, some of it is indeed bad actors, insurance companies that try to make these people believe their only option is a much more expensive one than the one that was canceled, when actually the companies have cheaper plans that meet the ACA standards and that are not that much more expensive although they provide a lot better coverage than the plan that was canceled (which will very likely save them money.in the longer run). I can't speak to your particular situation, but if you are genuinely getting stuck with much higher premiums but not much better coverage, you're among a very small group. We'd all be better off with single-payer, but the bottom line is that with ACA, most people will benefit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: OK - let's say it is just half of that - 45 million, which sounds closer, anyway. It is a rigged game. Any policies that don't carry all the coverages that are now federally mandated, must be cancelled, as mine was, and reissued. It is not 'bad actors', as the prez is saying - It is federal law, which he signed into place. It gets better. Then, when the policy is reissued, surprise, now, more than double. Subsidies are only available on the more expensive plans, anyway. My choice, subsidized, or not, is basic insurance, with a $5000 annual deductible, for $560/mo. I'd have to spend almost $12,000, per year, before getting a dollar reimbursed. No thanks. Gee, I feel so grateful for 'health reform'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: *93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation?* * * *Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here.* Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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Well then, I am abstractly pleased, for them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: It's nowhere near that, doc. It's only people who have individual plans who are subject to it, and they're a very small percentage of the market. Plus which, some of it is indeed bad actors, insurance companies that try to make these people believe their only option is a much more expensive one than the one that was canceled, when actually the companies have cheaper plans that meet the ACA standards and that are not that much more expensive although they provide a lot better coverage than the plan that was canceled (which will very likely save them money.in the longer run). I can't speak to your particular situation, but if you are genuinely getting stuck with much higher premiums but not much better coverage, you're among a very small group. We'd all be better off with single-payer, but the bottom line is that with ACA, most people will benefit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: OK - let's say it is just half of that - 45 million, which sounds closer, anyway. It is a rigged game. Any policies that don't carry all the coverages that are now federally mandated, must be cancelled, as mine was, and reissued. It is not 'bad actors', as the prez is saying - It is federal law, which he signed into place. It gets better. Then, when the policy is reissued, surprise, now, more than double. Subsidies are only available on the more expensive plans, anyway. My choice, subsidized, or not, is basic insurance, with a $5000 annual deductible, for $560/mo. I'd have to spend almost $12,000, per year, before getting a dollar reimbursed. No thanks. Gee, I feel so grateful for 'health reform'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation? Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here. Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. Richard wrote: Your lie detector must be on the blink, Judy. Bottom line is, Obama baldly lied repeatedly, beyond doubt, and he should be impeached because of it. You are usually on top of people telling lies, but you seem to have really dropped the ball on this one. The question is, did the entire administration know it was a lie and why did they do it? Go figure. 'Joe Scarborough Finally Admits Obama Lied About ObamaCare' Newsbusters: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/joe-scarborough-finally-admits-obama-lied-about-obamacare http://newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-bremmer/2013/10/30/joe-scarborough-finally-admits-obama-lied-about-obamacare On 11/1/2013 11:32 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: It's nowhere near that, doc. It's only people who have individual plans who are subject to it, and they're a very small percentage of the market. Plus which, some of it is indeed bad actors, insurance companies that try to make these people believe their only option is a much more expensive one than the one that was canceled, when actually the companies have cheaper plans that meet the ACA standards and that are not that much more expensive although they provide a lot better coverage than the plan that was canceled (which will very likely save them money.in the longer run). I can't speak to your particular situation, but if you are genuinely getting stuck with much higher premiums but not much better coverage, you're among a very small group. We'd all be better off with single-payer, but the bottom line is that with ACA, most people will benefit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: OK - let's say it is just half of that - 45 million, which sounds closer, anyway. It is a rigged game. Any policies that don't carry all the coverages that are now federally mandated, must be cancelled, as mine was, and reissued. It is not 'bad actors', as the prez is saying - It is federal law, which he signed into place. It gets better. Then, when the policy is reissued, surprise, now, more than double. Subsidies are only available on the more expensive plans, anyway. My choice, subsidized, or not, is basic insurance, with a $5000 annual deductible, for $560/mo. I'd have to spend almost $12,000, per year, before getting a dollar reimbursed. No thanks. Gee, I feel so grateful for 'health reform'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: 93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation? Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here. Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
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Yeah, this is stuff I'm making up. Washington - Senate Democrats voted unanimously three years ago to support the Obamacare rule that is largely responsible for some of the health insurance cancellation letters that are going out... 'Senate Democrats supported rule that led to insurance cancellations' CNN Politics: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/31/senate-democrats-supported-rule-that-lead-to-insurance-cancellations/ On 11/1/2013 1:30 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *This is all trolling, stuff Richard made up. If anyone here takes Richard seriously enough to want a detailed refutation, let me know. * * * *Richard wrote:* Your lie detector must be on the blink, Judy. Bottom line is, Obama baldly lied repeatedly, beyond doubt, and he should be impeached because of it. You are usually on top of people telling lies, but you seem to have really dropped the ball on this one. The question is, did the entire administration know it was a lie and why did they do it? Go figure. 'Joe Scarborough Finally Admits Obama Lied About ObamaCare' Newsbusters: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/joe-scarborough-finally-admits-obama-lied-about-obamacare http://newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-bremmer/2013/10/30/joe-scarborough-finally-admits-obama-lied-about-obamacare On 11/1/2013 11:32 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote: It's nowhere /near/ that, doc. It's only people who have individual plans who are subject to it, and they're a very small percentage of the market. Plus which, some of it is indeed bad actors, insurance companies that try to make these people believe their only option is a much more expensive one than the one that was canceled, when actually the companies have cheaper plans that meet the ACA standards and that are not that much more expensive although they provide a lot better coverage than the plan that was canceled (which will very likely save them money.in the longer run). I can't speak to your particular situation, but if you are genuinely getting stuck with much higher premiums but not much better coverage, you're among a very small group. We'd all be better off with single-payer, but the bottom line is that with ACA, most people will benefit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: OK - let's say it is just half of that - 45 million, which sounds closer, anyway. It is a rigged game. Any policies that don't carry all the coverages that are now federally mandated, must be cancelled, as mine was, and reissued. It is not 'bad actors', as the prez is saying - It is federal law, which he signed into place. It gets better. Then, when the policy is reissued, surprise, now, more than double. Subsidies are only available on the more expensive plans, anyway. My choice, subsidized, or not, is basic insurance, with a $5000 annual deductible, for $560/mo. I'd have to spend almost $12,000, per year, before getting a dollar reimbursed. No thanks. Gee, I feel so grateful for 'health reform'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: *93 million?? Are you nuts? From which right-wing extremist liars did you get this bit of ridiculous misinformation?* * * *Come on, Mike, let's see some attribution here.* Mike wrote: Oh come on dude. If you like your insurance , you can keep it, period. Just because the administration knew in '10 that 93 million would probably lose it, well that's just a *glitch*.
