[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > on 7/2/06 9:00 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Regarding Maharishis invincebility: his plane was blown up
> > > > (Maharishi just did'nt turn up but called the pilots and 
told them
> > > > to get out quickly), armed men have been found in 
Sonnenberg. And
> > > > thats just the tip of the iceberg after that
> > > > peanutfarmer/fundamentalist Jimmy Carter sent the CIA after 
him.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What proof do you have that the CIA was after MMY?
> 
> I believe it MMY himself who said the CIA was after him.  I heard 
that the windows of 
> passageways in Seelisberg were covered with paper so that no one 
could see people and 
> MMY moving about inside the building.




Uh, that's not proof; it's paranoia





>  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > But who prevails ? Maharishi obviously is so strongly 
protected 
> > that
> > > > unknown (at least to me) levels of intelligence tells him 
where and
> > > > when to be present.
> > > >
> >
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[MDixon6569]

In a message dated 7/3/06 10:16:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  on 
  7/2/06 9:00 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Regarding Maharishis invincebility: his plane 
was blown up (Maharishi just did'nt turn up but called the pilots and 
told them to get out quickly), armed men have been found in 
Sonnenberg.

I never heard this, any 
details?
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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 7/3/06 12:55 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > on 7/1/06 8:34 AM, Patrick Gillam at jpgillam@ wrote:
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
> >>> > > Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker
> >>> > > even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was
> >>> > > able to think he was celibate when he dallying
> >>> > > with his gopis.
> >>> > > 
> >> > Another possibility, which I¹m open to, is that at his stage of
> > evolution
> >> > celibacy made no difference, but he needed to recommend it to 
his
> > students.
> >> > Would he have been able to explain that point to them?
> >> >
> > 
> > I'm not certain how this fits in here but what you said, above,
> > broguth this to mind.
> 
> ³Broguth² - Plu perfect subjunctive participle of ³to bring² - 
Strunk &
> Archer
>

Wouldn't that be 'had brogthu'?





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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > on 7/2/06 9:00 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Regarding Maharishis invincebility: his plane was blown up
> > > > (Maharishi just did'nt turn up but called the pilots and told them
> > > > to get out quickly), armed men have been found in Sonnenberg. And
> > > > thats just the tip of the iceberg after that
> > > > peanutfarmer/fundamentalist Jimmy Carter sent the CIA after him.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What proof do you have that the CIA was after MMY?
> 
> I believe it MMY himself who said the CIA was after him.  I heard that the 
> windows of 
> passageways in Seelisberg were covered with paper so that no one could see 
> people and 
> MMY moving about inside the building.
>  


Actually, during the Carter administration, the US government WAS out to get 
him and the 
TMO specifically. What "get" actually means, who can say, but Carter was very 
definitely 
anti-TM and is now known to have used the US government to go after hindu 
influences in 
this country.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)





on 7/3/06 12:55 PM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 7/1/06 8:34 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
> > Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker
> > even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was
> > able to think he was celibate when he dallying
> > with his gopis.
> > 
> Another possibility, which I’m open to, is that at his stage of
evolution
> celibacy made no difference, but he needed to recommend it to his
students.
> Would he have been able to explain that point to them?
>

I'm not certain how this fits in here but what you said, above,
broguth this to mind. 

“Broguth” - Plu perfect subjunctive participle of “to bring” - Strunk & Archer

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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[Kenny H]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 7/1/06 8:34 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
> > Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker
> > even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was
> > able to think he was celibate when he dallying
> > with his gopis.
> > 
> Another possibility, which I¹m open to, is that at his stage of
evolution
> celibacy made no difference, but he needed to recommend it to his
students.
> Would he have been able to explain that point to them?
>

I'm not certain how this fits in here but what you said, above,
broguth this to mind. There are many stories in various aspects of the
vedic literature, probably the puranas, of these guys who go off to
the forest, practice celibacy, and other forms or austerities for many
years, build up great spiritual reserve, get boons granted to them,
then some celestial nymph comes along and tempts them and in one
moment they lose all the spiritual potency they took so long to achieve. 





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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What proof do you have that the CIA was after MMY?
> 
> I believe it MMY himself who said the CIA was after him.  I heard
that the windows of 
> passageways in Seelisberg were covered with paper so that no one
could see people and 
> MMY moving about inside the building.

The latter is true, i saw it. Kind of errie. But I don't remember him
specifically attributing that to the CIA.







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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > on 7/2/06 9:00 AM, nablus108 at nablus108@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > Regarding Maharishis invincebility: his plane was blown up
> > > (Maharishi just did'nt turn up but called the pilots and told them
> > > to get out quickly), armed men have been found in Sonnenberg. And
> > > thats just the tip of the iceberg after that
> > > peanutfarmer/fundamentalist Jimmy Carter sent the CIA after him.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> What proof do you have that the CIA was after MMY?

I believe it MMY himself who said the CIA was after him.  I heard that the 
windows of 
passageways in Seelisberg were covered with paper so that no one could see 
people and 
MMY moving about inside the building.
 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > But who prevails ? Maharishi obviously is so strongly protected 
> that
> > > unknown (at least to me) levels of intelligence tells him where and
> > > when to be present.
> > >
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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[shempmcgurk]

> on 7/2/06 9:00 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > Regarding Maharishis invincebility: his plane was blown up
> > (Maharishi just did'nt turn up but called the pilots and told them
> > to get out quickly), armed men have been found in Sonnenberg. And
> > thats just the tip of the iceberg after that
> > peanutfarmer/fundamentalist Jimmy Carter sent the CIA after him.






What proof do you have that the CIA was after MMY?







> > But who prevails ? Maharishi obviously is so strongly protected 
that
> > unknown (at least to me) levels of intelligence tells him where and
> > when to be present.
> > 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)





on 7/1/06 8:34 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
able to think he was celibate when he dallying
with his gopis.

Another possibility, which I’m open to, is that at his stage of evolution celibacy made no difference, but he needed to recommend it to his students. Would he have been able to explain that point to them?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)





on 7/2/06 9:00 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Regarding Maharishis invincebility: his plane was blown up 
(Maharishi just did'nt turn up but called the pilots and told them 
to get out quickly), armed men have been found in Sonnenberg. And 
thats just the tip of the iceberg after that 
peanutfarmer/fundamentalist Jimmy Carter sent the CIA after him. 
But who prevails ? Maharishi obviously is so strongly protected that 
unknown (at least to me) levels of intelligence tells him where and 
when to be present.

There was a phase in Switzerland when all kinds of things were happening to him and he went into hiding in his room for a month. He got a bad shock from a faulty tape recorder, his driver hit a motorcyclist, and worst of all, his helicopter crashed. He was banged up a bit in that one.

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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[nablus108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --Thanks, I don't believe MMY is invincible, either, on the basis 
of 
> my experiment in the late 70's.  At that time,  the SRM lease was 
up 
> at the old brick building on Santa Monica Blvd; and Charlie Lutes 
> moved into an office at the West L.A. TM center down the road 
toward 
> Santa Monica.
>   Having learned that a powerful Santeria sorcerer from Cuba 
> named "El Negro" was traveling through Mexico, I was able to meet 
him 
> in Tijuana.  To test MMY's level of invincibility, I paid the 
> Sorcerer to place a hex on MMY; and after giving El Negro some 
pics 
> of MMY, left Tijuana and returned to L.A.
>  A few days later I saw Charlie at the West L.A. TM center and in 
due 
> course of conversation, he told me that MMY was taking very 
> extraordinary precautions to pretect himself by being surrounded 
> physically by numerous people.  To the best of my knowledge, no 
harm 
> came to MMY; but on the basis of the results, I don't feel he's 
> invincible. 
> 
> 
> 
> - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > The most devoted followers are always
> > > going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
> > > no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
> > > they're all going to have some idea of what
> > > constitutes "good" behavior.  I think to some extent
> > > the conundrum is unavoidable.
> > 
> > Agreed. I've told the story before how Rudolf 
> > Steiner, upon removing a pebble from his shoe,
> > said, "I need to do this right away, otherwise 
> > all my students will be walking with limps tomorrow."
> > 
> > (paraphrased, of course)

You paid someone to put a spell on Maharishi ? How stupid can anyone 
become ?

Regarding Maharishis invincebility: his plane was blown up 
(Maharishi just did'nt turn up but called the pilots and told them 
to get out quickly), armed men have been found in Sonnenberg. And 
thats just the tip of the iceberg after that 
peanutfarmer/fundamentalist Jimmy Carter sent the CIA after him. 
But who prevails ? Maharishi obviously is so strongly protected that 
unknown (at least to me) levels of intelligence tells him where and 
when to be present.







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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


[snip]

> 
> Personally, I always thought that Maharishi should have kept his
> message as simple as it first started out-twenty minutes twice per 
day
> then go about living your normal life, no change in lifestyle 
required
> (yes I know, this is where people will say, "well you didn't have 
to
> choose to add everything else"), 200% of life-->100% inner + 100%
> outer, etc. We used to tell people at intro lectures that the great
> thing about TM was that you didn't even have to believe in it, 
which,
> of course you still don't, but we also used to say that it was not 
a
> lifestyle. It was a fairly innocent message with a smack of 
Hinduism
> which made it all the more delicious during that era. 
> 
[snip]

He'd actually have a movement today had he done the above.

Now, it's no longer a movement despite having many people involved.  
It's not a movement because it isn't moving or going anywhere...no 
new people are joining.





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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[matrixmonitor]

--Thanks, I don't believe MMY is invincible, either, on the basis of 
my experiment in the late 70's.  At that time,  the SRM lease was up 
at the old brick building on Santa Monica Blvd; and Charlie Lutes 
moved into an office at the West L.A. TM center down the road toward 
Santa Monica.
  Having learned that a powerful Santeria sorcerer from Cuba 
named "El Negro" was traveling through Mexico, I was able to meet him 
in Tijuana.  To test MMY's level of invincibility, I paid the 
Sorcerer to place a hex on MMY; and after giving El Negro some pics 
of MMY, left Tijuana and returned to L.A.
 A few days later I saw Charlie at the West L.A. TM center and in due 
course of conversation, he told me that MMY was taking very 
extraordinary precautions to pretect himself by being surrounded 
physically by numerous people.  To the best of my knowledge, no harm 
came to MMY; but on the basis of the results, I don't feel he's 
invincible. 



- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- authfriend wrote:
> >
> > The most devoted followers are always
> > going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
> > no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
> > they're all going to have some idea of what
> > constitutes "good" behavior.  I think to some extent
> > the conundrum is unavoidable.
> 
> Agreed. I've told the story before how Rudolf 
> Steiner, upon removing a pebble from his shoe,
> said, "I need to do this right away, otherwise 
> all my students will be walking with limps tomorrow."
> 
> (paraphrased, of course)
>







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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[Patrick Gillam]

--- authfriend wrote:
>
> The most devoted followers are always
> going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
> no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
> they're all going to have some idea of what
> constitutes "good" behavior.  I think to some extent
> the conundrum is unavoidable.

Agreed. I've told the story before how Rudolf 
Steiner, upon removing a pebble from his shoe,
said, "I need to do this right away, otherwise 
all my students will be walking with limps tomorrow."

(paraphrased, of course)





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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[Kenny H]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
> > > about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
> > > have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
> > > that habit or behavior because they perceive
> > > (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
> > > their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.
> > 
> > Maybe the solution would be for the master to 
> > promote his or her sadhana as a single element one 
> > adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting 
> > students give up this behavior or adopt that one. 
> > 
> > Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, 
> > without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - 
> > diets, sexual protocols and such - would free
> > the master from having to exemplify the ideal 
> > lifestyle.
> > 
> > But what master has ever taken such a tack?
> > It would be bold indeed.
> 
> MMY did at first, then he changed his mind.

Personally, I always thought that Maharishi should have kept his
message as simple as it first started out-twenty minutes twice per day
then go about living your normal life, no change in lifestyle required
(yes I know, this is where people will say, "well you didn't have to
choose to add everything else"), 200% of life-->100% inner + 100%
outer, etc. We used to tell people at intro lectures that the great
thing about TM was that you didn't even have to believe in it, which,
of course you still don't, but we also used to say that it was not a
lifestyle. It was a fairly innocent message with a smack of Hinduism
which made it all the more delicious during that era. 



> 
> But he was talking to teachers here, no?  Not the
> rank and file.  The most devoted followers are always
> going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
> no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
> they're all going to have some idea of what
> constitutes "good" behavior.  I think to some extent
> the conundrum is unavoidable.
>





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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- authfriend wrote:
> >
> > I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
> > about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
> > have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
> > that habit or behavior because they perceive
> > (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
> > their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.
> 
> Maybe the solution would be for the master to 
> promote his or her sadhana as a single element one 
> adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting 
> students give up this behavior or adopt that one. 
> 
> Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, 
> without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - 
> diets, sexual protocols and such - would free
> the master from having to exemplify the ideal 
> lifestyle.
> 
> But what master has ever taken such a tack?
> It would be bold indeed.

MMY did at first, then he changed his mind.

But he was talking to teachers here, no?  Not the
rank and file.  The most devoted followers are always
going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
they're all going to have some idea of what
constitutes "good" behavior.  I think to some extent
the conundrum is unavoidable.







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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Gillam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- authfriend wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Rick  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
> > > > > > ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, 
> > > > > > like him.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And you see this as hypocrisy?
> > > > 
> > > > (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
> > > > interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
> > > > at this sort of perception.
> > > 
> > > Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
> > > hell else could he say under the circumstances
> > > if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
> > > ought to be celibate for the sake of their
> > > evolution?
> > > 
> > > I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
> > > given his position, but I'm not sure "hypocrisy"
> > > is the right term for what he told the guys.
> > 
> > I see the nuance, and his conundrum. 
> > 
> > Given the lame nature of his relationships - 
> > maybe 30 minutes of nooky time at the end 
> > of the work day now and again - he probably 
> > didn't perceive himself as being in a relationship. 
> > I'm not trying to rationalize his behavior. I'm 
> > just assuming he was able to rationalize it himself.
> > 
> > I had a spell some years ago when I enjoyed a 
> > cigar or two on the weekend. After about six 
> > months of this, I was looking at an insurance 
> > form that asked, "Have you used any tobacco 
> > products in the past six months?" If so, I had 
> > to pay the smoker's rate for insurance. At that 
> > point I realized, "Oh my God. I'm a smoker." 
> > Before that, I never thought of myself as a smoker. 
> > It wasn't part of my identity. I was just enjoying 
> > a cigar or two on the weekend. 
> > 
> > Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
> > Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
> > even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
> > able to think he was celibate when he dallying
> > with his gopis.
> 
> Certainly possible.  What I had in mind was more
> that, assuming he genuinely thought it would be
> better for their spiritual development if they
> stayed celibate, introducing any potential
> cause for confusion over that instruction (How come
> he can and we can't? Is he really enlightened if he
> isn't celibate? etc. etc.) could inhibit their
> development, so he was essentially telling a lie
> for *their* benefit.
> 
> Ends justifying the means and all that, clearly a
> rationalization and not the ideal we'd like to see
> by any means, but not hypocrisy per se.
> 
> I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
> about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
> have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
> that habit or behavior because they perceive
> (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
> their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.
>

I recall being in an airport once with a couple of fellow sidhas while a bunch 
of Japanese 
assured us that their teacher, who was calmly smoking a cigarette in the 
corner, was the 
greatest living Zen master...








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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[Patrick Gillam]

--- authfriend wrote:
>
> I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
> about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
> have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
> that habit or behavior because they perceive
> (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
> their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.

Maybe the solution would be for the master to 
promote his or her sadhana as a single element one 
adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting 
students give up this behavior or adopt that one. 

Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, 
without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - 
diets, sexual protocols and such - would free
the master from having to exemplify the ideal 
lifestyle.

But what master has ever taken such a tack?
It would be bold indeed.





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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- authfriend wrote:
> >
> > --- Gillam wrote:
> > >
> > > --- authfriend wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- Rick  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
> > > > > ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, 
> > > > > like him.
> > > > 
> > > > And you see this as hypocrisy?
> > > 
> > > (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
> > > interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
> > > at this sort of perception.
> > 
> > Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
> > hell else could he say under the circumstances
> > if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
> > ought to be celibate for the sake of their
> > evolution?
> > 
> > I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
> > given his position, but I'm not sure "hypocrisy"
> > is the right term for what he told the guys.
> 
> I see the nuance, and his conundrum. 
> 
> Given the lame nature of his relationships - 
> maybe 30 minutes of nooky time at the end 
> of the work day now and again - he probably 
> didn't perceive himself as being in a relationship. 
> I'm not trying to rationalize his behavior. I'm 
> just assuming he was able to rationalize it himself.
> 
> I had a spell some years ago when I enjoyed a 
> cigar or two on the weekend. After about six 
> months of this, I was looking at an insurance 
> form that asked, "Have you used any tobacco 
> products in the past six months?" If so, I had 
> to pay the smoker's rate for insurance. At that 
> point I realized, "Oh my God. I'm a smoker." 
> Before that, I never thought of myself as a smoker. 
> It wasn't part of my identity. I was just enjoying 
> a cigar or two on the weekend. 
> 
> Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
> Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
> even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
> able to think he was celibate when he dallying
> with his gopis.

Certainly possible.  What I had in mind was more
that, assuming he genuinely thought it would be
better for their spiritual development if they
stayed celibate, introducing any potential
cause for confusion over that instruction (How come
he can and we can't? Is he really enlightened if he
isn't celibate? etc. etc.) could inhibit their
development, so he was essentially telling a lie
for *their* benefit.

Ends justifying the means and all that, clearly a
rationalization and not the ideal we'd like to see
by any means, but not hypocrisy per se.

I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
about sex but any "bad" habit or behavior--masters
have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
that habit or behavior because they perceive
(accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.






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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[Patrick Gillam]

--- authfriend wrote:
>
> --- Gillam wrote:
> >
> > --- authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > --- Rick  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
> > > > ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, 
> > > > like him.
> > > 
> > > And you see this as hypocrisy?
> > 
> > (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
> > interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
> > at this sort of perception.
> 
> Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
> hell else could he say under the circumstances
> if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
> ought to be celibate for the sake of their
> evolution?
> 
> I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
> given his position, but I'm not sure "hypocrisy"
> is the right term for what he told the guys.

I see the nuance, and his conundrum. 

Given the lame nature of his relationships - 
maybe 30 minutes of nooky time at the end 
of the work day now and again - he probably 
didn't perceive himself as being in a relationship. 
I'm not trying to rationalize his behavior. I'm 
just assuming he was able to rationalize it himself.

I had a spell some years ago when I enjoyed a 
cigar or two on the weekend. After about six 
months of this, I was looking at an insurance 
form that asked, "Have you used any tobacco 
products in the past six months?" If so, I had 
to pay the smoker's rate for insurance. At that 
point I realized, "Oh my God. I'm a smoker." 
Before that, I never thought of myself as a smoker. 
It wasn't part of my identity. I was just enjoying 
a cigar or two on the weekend. 

Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
able to think he was celibate when he dallying
with his gopis.






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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 1, 2006, at 12:27 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> --- authfriend wrote:
> >>>
> >>> --- Rick  wrote:
> 
>  If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign
>  ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, like
> > him.
> >>>
> >>> And you see this as hypocrisy?
> >>
> >> (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you
> >> interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good
> >> at this sort of perception.
> >
> > Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
> > hell else could he say under the circumstances
> > if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
> > ought to be celibate for the sake of their
> > evolution?
> >
> > I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
> > given his position, but I'm not sure "hypocrisy"
> > is the right term for what he told the guys.
> 
> What "term" would you like to edit in authfriend?

Are you unfamiliar with the term "term"?  I'm wondering
why you put scare quotes around it.

And it's not "editing in," sorry.  Check the original,
please.

(Did you decide whether Peter was having delusions
of grandeur?  )







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

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On Jul 1, 2006, at 12:27 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:  --- authfriend wrote:  --- Rick  wrote:  If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign  ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, like  him.  And you see this as hypocrisy?  (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you  interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good  at this sort of perception.  Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the hell else could he say under the circumstances if he really thought the guys he was speaking to ought to be celibate for the sake of their evolution?  I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior, given his position, but I'm not sure "hypocrisy" is the right term for what he told the guys. What "term" would you like to edit in authfriend?
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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- authfriend wrote:
> >
> > --- Rick  wrote:
> > >
> > > If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
> > > ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, like 
him.
> > 
> > And you see this as hypocrisy?
> 
> (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
> interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
> at this sort of perception.

Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
hell else could he say under the circumstances
if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
ought to be celibate for the sake of their
evolution?

I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
given his position, but I'm not sure "hypocrisy"
is the right term for what he told the guys.






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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

[Patrick Gillam]

--- authfriend wrote:
>
> --- Rick  wrote:
> >
> > If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
> > ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, like him.
> 
> And you see this as hypocrisy?

(Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
at this sort of perception.





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