[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first time I came to the main Assembly Hall in Seelisberg, The Capital of The Age of Enlightenment, there was a huge banner running across and above the stage which in sanskrit read something like Only truth will remain (Cardemaister might fill in the details.) Well, satyam eva jayate?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyameva_Jayate
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: The first time I came to the main Assembly Hall in Seelisberg, The Capital of The Age of Enlightenment, there was a huge banner running across and above the stage which in sanskrit read something like Only truth will remain (Cardemaister might fill in the details.) Well, satyam eva jayate?? Possibly. How would Truth alone remains read ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
The first time I came to the main Assembly Hall in Seelisberg, The
Capital of The Age of Enlightenment, there was a huge banner
running
across and above the stage which in sanskrit read something
like Only truth will remain
(Cardemaister might fill in the details.)
Well, satyam eva jayate??
Possibly. How would Truth alone remains read ?
I'm not used to translate *into* Sanskrit. Furthermore,
there are prolly lots of possible verbs for 'remain'
in Sanskrit. One would be 'gAdh':
17 gAdh (cf. %{gAh}) cl. 1. A1. %{-dhate} , to stand firmly , stay
, remain Dha1tup. ii , 3 ; to set out for (acc.) Bhat2t2. viii , 1 ;
xxii , 2 ; to desire (cf. %{gardh}) Dha1tup. ; to compile , string
together ib.
I guess your sentence, using 'gAdh', would be:
satyam eva gaadhate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In TM, Dharana is the effortless repetition of the mantra, this effortless focus of the mind on the mantra leads to a state of Dhyana or meditation which is an increased awareness of pure consciousness from the quieting of the mind (or stilling of the Vrittis, subconscious whirlpools or what MMY calls stress) brought about by Dharana, this increased awareness of the subtle ambiance of consciousness, peace or bliss consciousness leads finally to absorption into this state of bliss consciousness (Ananda) and is the final step or Samadhi, which is the culmination of meditation/Dhyana as the mantra drops off the meditator finds himself as consciousness itself! Sat Chit Anandam. Hence TM qualifies for Patanjali's criterion of Chitta, Vritti, Nirodha or the cessation (nirodha) of the whirlpools (vrittis) in the mind (chitta) leading to Samadhi which is the means AND the goal of Yoga; much like the reflection of the moon in a rippled lake can only give a distorted reflection, so too, our minds are so caught in the grip of earthly attachments we are unable to free ourselves until we achieve...*transcendental deep meditation* (the original name given to TM). The same profound statement is in the Bible as, Be still and know that I am GodPsalm 46:10 We know this Billy, in fact thousands have known and practised this for 30 - 40 years. But it is nice that you remind those that have long forgotton these simple facts. Thanks !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: In TM, Dharana is the effortless repetition of the mantra, this effortless focus of the mind on the mantra leads to a state of Dhyana or meditation which is an increased awareness of pure consciousness from the quieting of the mind (or stilling of the Vrittis, subconscious whirlpools or what MMY calls stress) brought about by Dharana, this increased awareness of the subtle ambiance of consciousness, peace or bliss consciousness leads finally to absorption into this state of bliss consciousness (Ananda) and is the final step or Samadhi, which is the culmination of meditation/Dhyana as the mantra drops off the meditator finds himself as consciousness itself! Sat Chit Anandam. Hence TM qualifies for Patanjali's criterion of Chitta, Vritti, Nirodha or the cessation (nirodha) of the whirlpools (vrittis) in the mind (chitta) leading to Samadhi which is the means AND the goal of Yoga; much like the reflection of the moon in a rippled lake can only give a distorted reflection, so too, our minds are so caught in the grip of earthly attachments we are unable to free ourselves until we achieve...*transcendental deep meditation* (the original name given to TM). The same profound statement is in the Bible as, Be still and know that I am GodPsalm 46:10 We know this Billy, in fact thousands have known and practised this for 30 - 40 years. But it is nice that you remind those that have long forgotton these simple facts. Thanks ! I thought as much, but like you said it's good to be reminded and also there are always some new to TM and the group who may not have heard it. I don't mean to preach to the seasoned meditators on this group only to broach pertinent principles worth discussing...Thanks!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: In TM, Dharana is the effortless repetition of the mantra, this effortless focus of the mind on the mantra leads to a state of Dhyana or meditation which is an increased awareness of pure consciousness from the quieting of the mind (or stilling of the Vrittis, subconscious whirlpools or what MMY calls stress) brought about by Dharana, this increased awareness of the subtle ambiance of consciousness, peace or bliss consciousness leads finally to absorption into this state of bliss consciousness (Ananda) and is the final step or Samadhi, which is the culmination of meditation/Dhyana as the mantra drops off the meditator finds himself as consciousness itself! Sat Chit Anandam. Hence TM qualifies for Patanjali's criterion of Chitta, Vritti, Nirodha or the cessation (nirodha) of the whirlpools (vrittis) in the mind (chitta) leading to Samadhi which is the means AND the goal of Yoga; much like the reflection of the moon in a rippled lake can only give a distorted reflection, so too, our minds are so caught in the grip of earthly attachments we are unable to free ourselves until we achieve...*transcendental deep meditation* (the original name given to TM). The same profound statement is in the Bible as, Be still and know that I am GodPsalm 46:10 We know this Billy, in fact thousands have known and practised this for 30 - 40 years. But it is nice that you remind those that have long forgotton these simple facts. Thanks ! I thought as much, but like you said it's good to be reminded and also there are always some new to TM and the group who may not have heard it. I don't mean to preach to the seasoned meditators on this group only to broach pertinent principles worth discussing...Thanks! The first time I came to the main Assembly Hall in Seelisberg, The Capital of The Age of Enlightenment, there was a huge banner running across and above the stage which in sanskrit read something like Only truth will remain (Cardemaister might fill in the details.) What you said above is a part of that truth. And why fundamentalists from many quarters, particularily organized religions like the Christians and Buddhists have attacked this knowledge as if their most feared scenario is that ordinary folks will understand, adopt and live this theme. As more and more people today are starting to live this Knowledge, which is happening fast, their fear is that their ageold, distorted and useless knowledge and meditations will be abandoned and their Churches and Temples left empty; that their priests and lamas will loose their privileges and worse; that ordinary people, gaining Enlightenment, will see through their rotten systems of religious repression and exploitation. On FFL there is an 365, year after year attack on this wisdom Maharishi and Guru Dev so generously brought as a gift to the world; from desperate fulltimers like Turqouise and Vaj, both Buddhists and self-proclaimed occultists. Your post was timely as you say, because sometimes though infrequent, newcomers might pop in here and read something. It provides a good balance to the vain and fearful Buddhist propaganda of division and doubt and the general hysteria of the current phase-transition brought to FFL during the last 3-4 years.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:57 AM, BillyG. wrote: I thought as much, but like you said it's good to be reminded and also there are always some new to TM and the group who may not have heard it. I don't mean to preach to the seasoned meditators on this group only to broach pertinent principles worth discussing...Thanks! It's important new TMers are aware this is really just the typical TMO dumbing down of the profound tradition of Patanjali to TM levels. It does not represent the actual tradition of Patanjali, except (maybe) as an introductory example using mantra. It's not unusual in TMO claims to make exaggerated and untrue claims both in their research and in their alleged connection to various traditions. This is just another desperate attempt to make such a connection and to appropriate Patanjali and the yoga-sutras and should be seen as such.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first time I came to the main Assembly Hall in Seelisberg, The Capital of The Age of Enlightenment, there was a huge banner running across and above the stage which in sanskrit read something like Only truth will remain (Cardemaister might fill in the details.) What you said above is a part of that truth. And why fundamentalists from many quarters, particularily organized religions like the Christians and Buddhists have attacked this knowledge as if their most feared scenario is that ordinary folks will understand, adopt and live this theme. As more and more people today are starting to live this Knowledge, which is happening fast, their fear is that their ageold, distorted and useless knowledge and meditations will be abandoned and their Churches and Temples left empty; that their priests and lamas will loose their privileges and worse; that ordinary people, gaining Enlightenment, will see through their rotten systems of religious repression and exploitation. On FFL there is an 365, year after year attack on this wisdom Maharishi and Guru Dev so generously brought as a gift to the world; from desperate fulltimers like Turqouise and Vaj, both Buddhists and self-proclaimed occultists. Your post was timely as you say, because sometimes though infrequent, newcomers might pop in here and read something. It provides a good balance to the vain and fearful Buddhist propaganda of division and doubt and the general hysteria of the current phase-transition brought to FFL during the last 3-4 years. Read below and see how some of these Sant's so called Saints operate: THE KIRPAL STATISTIC Using Inner Visions to Your Social Advantage The Indian Background Index Excerpt from: EXPOSING CULTS: When the Skeptical Mind Confronts the Mystical. (More chapters of 'Exposing Cults' online here.) Author: David Christopher Lane Publisher: Garland Publishing, Inc. New York and London. Publication date: August 1994. It turns out that almost everybody has the inherent ability to see inner light and hear inner sound. Moreover, almost everybody has the capacity to have an out-of-body experience and behold wondrous inner visions. You don't need to go to an Indian guru to have such experiences indeed, you don't need to go anywhere at all. But that's not what Kirpal Singh and his successors told their vast following. Instead, unsuspecting seekers(who number in the thousands) were taught to believe that it was the guru himself, not the disciple, who was orchestrating the elevation of the soul into higher regions. But Kirpal and crew were not being completely forthcoming about the mechanism which governs access to such amazing sights and sounds. That mechanism is the brain and that three pounds of glorious tissue is the lot of all humans. In the early 1980s when I was teaching religious studies at a Catholic high school, I tried several meditation experiments with my students which convinced me that Kirpal Singh and other gurus like him were taking undue credit for their disciples' inner experiences. In my trial mediation sessions, I informed my students beforehand about the possibility of seeing inner lights and hearing inner sounds. Naturally, given the boring routine of secondary education, my students were intrigued. I informed them that I knew of an ancient yoga technique that would facilitate their inner voyages. I turned the lights off, instructed them briefly about closing their eyes gently and looking for sparks of light at the proverbial third eye. I told them that I would touch some students on the forehead lightly with my fingers. They meditated for some five minutes. I then proceeded to ask them about their experiences. [Kirpal Singh invariably did such a process directly after his initiation ceremonies; he also kept a running tally of how many saw stars and so on-something which I have called the 'Kirpal Statistic'.] To my amazement, since I felt that Kirpal Singh and others were actually transmitting spiritual power, the majority of my students reported seeing light. A few students even claimed to have visions of personages in the middle of the light. Others reported hearing subtle sounds and the like. I repeated the experiment on four other classes that day. I have also in the past ten years conducted the same experiment on my college students (both undergraduate and graduate). The result, though differing in terms of absolute numbers, is remarkably the same. The majority see and hear something. It doesn't take a neuropsychologist or a sociologist trained in statistics to realize that Kirpal Singh and others were simply tapping into an already built reservoir of meditational possibilities. What was unique about Kirpal's approach, at least in comparison with other Radhasoami gurus, was that he claimed to be the responsible agent, the medium through which such inner experiences can
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:57 AM, BillyG. wrote: I thought as much, but like you said it's good to be reminded and also there are always some new to TM and the group who may not have heard it. I don't mean to preach to the seasoned meditators on this group only to broach pertinent principles worth discussing...Thanks! It's important new TMers are aware this is really just the typical TMO dumbing down of the profound tradition of Patanjali to TM levels. It does not represent the actual tradition of Patanjali, except (maybe) as an introductory example using mantra. It's not unusual in TMO claims to make exaggerated and untrue claims both in their research and in their alleged connection to various traditions. This is just another desperate attempt to make such a connection and to appropriate Patanjali and the yoga-sutras and should be seen as such. Vaj-This was a correlation I myself made, you'd be hard pressed to find this in any TM literature or lectures. In fact, I've started a NEW branch of the TMorg and it is going to be called the *Esoteric Branch*, all the things MMY wanted to tell you be couldn't or wouldn't~ :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jul 12, 2008, at 10:57 AM, BillyG. wrote: I thought as much, but like you said it's good to be reminded and also there are always some new to TM and the group who may not have heard it. I don't mean to preach to the seasoned meditators on this group only to broach pertinent principles worth discussing...Thanks! It's important new TMers are aware this is really just the typical TMO dumbing down of the profound tradition of Patanjali to TM levels. It does not represent the actual tradition of Patanjali, except (maybe) as an introductory example using mantra. It's not unusual in TMO claims to make exaggerated and untrue claims both in their research and in their alleged connection to various traditions. This is just another desperate attempt to make such a connection and to appropriate Patanjali and the yoga-sutras and should be seen as such. Vaj-This was a correlation I myself made, you'd be hard pressed to find this in any TM literature or lectures. In fact, I've started a NEW branch of the TMorg and it is going to be called the *Esoteric Branch*, all the things MMY wanted to tell you be couldn't or wouldn't~ :-) At least with that interpretation...there are a few paragraphs about it in the Gita appendix, but that is all!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dharana leads to Dhyana which leads to Samadhi.
On Jul 12, 2008, at 2:59 PM, BillyG. wrote: Vaj-This was a correlation I myself made, you'd be hard pressed to find this in any TM literature or lectures. In fact, I've started a NEW branch of the TMorg and it is going to be called the *Esoteric Branch*, all the things MMY wanted to tell you be couldn't or wouldn't~ :-) Well, actually I've read a recent movement inspired translation of the YS and found a similar attempt. It was nice to see something to inspire people practicing TM, but at the same time it gave me a sinking feeling that someone wasn't telling the truth and a certain group of people will actually believe what they read. Consequently we end up with TMers and Sidha's walking around repeating and believing these stories. It's certainly not fair to them. They'll look like fools.
