[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] Barry, you have used this argument a number of times already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to the bait.) No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the case for what they are without my involvement. I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt. Priceless. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
Barry wrote years ago that he had gotten in touch with his inner assh*le (charming image). I suggest he do the same with this, the other troublesome organ of his anatomy, his inner stupid vindictive c*nt. I'll supply the flashlight and gloves. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] Barry, you have used this argument a number of times already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to the bait.) No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the case for what they are without my involvement. I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt. Priceless. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] Barry, you have used this argument a number of times already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to the bait.) No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the case for what they are without my involvement. I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt. Priceless. Learn to read, Lawson. I didn't call Ann a stupid vindictive cunt. She did that *herself*, quibbling only about the stupid part. I merely commented on what stupid vindictive cunts *generically* tend to do to reveal what they are. :-) People are SO afraid of words. Some, who mainly have no experience with how the word cunt is used in many places in the world, think that it has some pejorative meaning associated with the female anatomy. Not so. In most non-American cultures, calling either a man *or* a woman a cunt has a very clear meaning. A cunt is someone who is consistently vindictive and who not only holds grudges but who acts on them at every given opportunity. Male, female really doesn't matter. c.f. In Bruges.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: [...] Barry, you have used this argument a number of times already and it doesn't wash. Looking up old posts from FFL is not searching the web endlessly for any molecule of writing you have ever engaged in. You may think I am some vindictive cunt but no one has ever called me stupid and never will (unless of course you rise to the bait.) No need. Stupid vindictive cunts tend to make the case for what they are without my involvement. I refuse to descend to the level of that stupid vindictive cunt. Priceless. Learn to read, Lawson. I didn't call Ann a stupid vindictive cunt. She did that *herself* No, she didn't. She said that was what you might think. Learn to read, Barry. Stop being such a stupid vindictive cunt.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation. I don't much care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, arrogant, mean and hypocritical. Other than that (and his inability to think clearly), he's OK. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone else thinks - I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his golden oldies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation. I don't much care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, arrogant, mean and hypocritical. Other than that (and his inability to think clearly), he's OK. I'm really curious to know whether Michael is able to recognize the spectacular self-delusion of Barry's rant this morning. Can he tell the difference between vile cussing-out and serious dislocation from reality? Even if Barry himself knows his claims in that rant came straight from his imagination, he's delusional to think that won't be obvious to others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
I don't think so, for now. MJ is in a place where he is seeing the wholeness of that which he devoted himself to for a long time, for the first time. Fortunately the fantasies he held about Maharishi and the TMO are evaporating. That leaves MJ vulnerable to Barry chiming in regularly with his Spiritual Critic and Advisor routine. As long as MJ doesn't make a lifestyle out of his current realizations about the TMO, he'll grow out of it, and see Barry for the exceptionally narrow-minded resource that he is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: MJ, this exposure of Barry's wanking needed NO interpretation. I don't much care for Barry because he is shallow, deceitful, arrogant, mean and hypocritical. Other than that (and his inability to think clearly), he's OK. I'm really curious to know whether Michael is able to recognize the spectacular self-delusion of Barry's rant this morning. Can he tell the difference between vile cussing-out and serious dislocation from reality? Even if Barry himself knows his claims in that rant came straight from his imagination, he's delusional to think that won't be obvious to others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he sent various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image on social networking sites. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
no thoughts no mantra no TMO From: sound of stillness soundofstilln...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he sent various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image on social networking sites. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy
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Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? Got anything to say other than, Only someone from New Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up.? Still laughing --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon
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. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopal http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her
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. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said
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Ok, ok but being my annoying self I can't help but notice and point out that the oldest item on the list occurred almost EXACTLY 7 years ago. As spooky as that is, gotta be a jyotish explanation for that (-: From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: Come on, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while it appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now he has someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his attention. Barry? Got anything to say other than, Only someone from New Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up.? As a matter of fact, yes: I might also point out that searching the Web for information to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior. - Judy Stein, 11 February 2013 Also: Repetition is the mother of retention. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal
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/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck à --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopal http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who
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guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person
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own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble
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/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man
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Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop
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is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked upon as the Dumbo's feathers they always were. If you can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his trunk. It was never magic. It was just a feather. Mantras don't allow people to transcend. They trick people into recognizing what has always already been present. As for the nature of this new movement that Buck talks about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not quite as easy to come up with an alternative. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. Such synchrony. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. According to the newspaper accounts it is more than sexual harassment, 'twas molestation and predatory
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Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his golden oldies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: no thoughts no mantra no TMO My suspicion is that in the future mantras
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Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone else thinks - I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his golden oldies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 3/18/06 The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the magic feather given to him was what enabled him to fly, and that it was special. But it was a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able to fly. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the alternative movement
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone else thinks - I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time. And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM again. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his golden oldies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- imposed limitations and realize an ability that had always been available to him. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 5/8/06 Remember Dumbo? Dumbo was convinced that it was the magic feather given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always present, just not realized. http://groups.yahoo.com/group
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone else thinks - It may be a good analogy the first time you hear it (not original with him, as he mentions in one of the posts I listed), but it begins to lose its charm after many repetitions (especially when he tends to write about it each time as if he'd just come up with it). I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time. There's a lot more to it than that. Let's just say we know him a whole lot better than you do. BTW, I don't think anyone said you were trying to insult or criticize him. It was clear you were complimenting him. And of course you had no idea how stale his post was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: (snip) It may be a good analogy the first time you hear it (not original with him, as he mentions in one of the posts I listed), In one of the posts from which I quoted, that should be. I didn't quote the part where he attributes it to someone else.
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Me start TM again - surely you jest - as to my compliments to Barry - I don't really know anyone here on FFL but I do like his experience with the TMO and his willingness to share it, and some of the things he writes have assisted me in my own process and he is a good writer, able to think cogently and express it through his writing From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone else thinks - I think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time. And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM again. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  Excellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his golden oldies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only reason that astrology appears to work. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 11/24/06 I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; any effect is the result of the Dumbo's feather syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known as moodmaking. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 10/30/06 Remember the Disney cartoon Dumbo? His friend and mentor gives him a magical feather that allows him to fly when he holds it in his
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Me start TM again - surely you jest Yes MJ, I do jest. - as to my compliments to Barry - I don't really know anyone here on FFL but I do like his experience with the TMO and his willingness to share it, and some of the things he writes have assisted me in my own process and he is a good writer, able to think cogently and express it through his writing And I say it is all a process, for all of us (figuring out this life and our individual place in it) and you can find value in whatever and whoever you choose to. It is just that my experience of Barry is different than yours. I have stated how I feel, I think you get it, so I will leave it at that. From: Ann awoelflebater@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Everyone interprets what comes to them according to what is in their heads - I actually was complimenting Barry - it was and is a fine analogy regardless of what anyone else thinks -àI think a lot of y'all here on FFL dislike Barry cuz he cusses some of you out pretty vilely from time to time. And I think you like him because he supports you in your stance re: TM. That is fine, but the man is no paragon of anything and his 'loyalty' to you will last only as long as you don't cross him or suddenly decide you want to start TM again. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck àExcellent AND hilarious! MJ didn't know how spot on his perception was, in this case, until you simply revealed these 10 past postings of Barry's. They very much speak for themselves; for repetition, staleness, dullness, and the need for just one more stroke, just like the last stroke. No wonder Barry doesn't create anything new - he's too busy wanking off to his golden oldies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 times more eloquently that I do That's because (with regard to Dumbo's feather) he's said it 10 times before here: 2/4/13 I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what he had been capable of doing all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 2/8/11 She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as Dumbo's feather. If you remember back to the Disney movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in his fictional case, literally). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 2/15/10 The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he could realize it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 9/3/09 The second concept on which we might differ is about nudges, as you describe them. While I certainly admit that they exist, and have experienced such nudges myself, I tend to think of them as Dumbo's feather. That is, placebos. I see such nudges as ways to trick the person into realizing what is already present, and has always already been present. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 4/29/08 In other words, I see systems of any kind as being kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't make Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into doing what he had been able to do all along. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 6/30/07 Basically, I see astrology and all other predic- tive technologies as the Dumbo's feathers of the universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? When he held the feather in his trunk, he could fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, that's the only
