[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Super Radiance

[dhamiltony2k5]

Rick Archer is really a great example of the complexion of TM in the Fairfield 
meditating community and the TM movement at large. Rick's old friend John 
Hagelin should do something to facilitate and invite Rick back in to meditation 
with the group again. The field effect of the collective spiritual practice is 
fabulous in the group meditation. That field effect spiritual practice could be 
enlarged with the presence of experienced meditators like Rick. Rick could even 
be a good as a poster boy to bring back. Sort of like the prodigal child who 
went out and came home story. -Buck in the Dome 
 "..policies that reduce super-radiance by banning people from the domes for 
"competing" with the movement or visiting other spiritual guru types when they 
are not wavering their adherence to core values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis 
purity"
 
 Rick Archer is a good example. An old and practicing meditator like Rick is so 
entrained in the transcendent and the culture of the transcendent he ought to 
be invited back to meditate along with the big group in some way. An old 
meditator like Rick could easily just be asked to join with the group and 
meditate.  I would recommend Rick for the group meditation.  I'd be glad to 
have someone join back in like Rick to sit with in meditation.  He would be a 
spiritually powerful and healing element towards our field effect generation of 
peace in the Domes.   
 There is a whole community of folks like Rick here and a small greying 
community of people who go to the Domes according to the guidelines. LE, Your 
answer to the communal problem is continued dwindle in the strict preservation 
of the existing exclusivity.  We got a problem with that position.  It is 
called survival as a group. -Buck in the Dome   
 The Fairfield Meditating Community:
 

 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on 
balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit 
of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of 
all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson 
County area.” 
 

 

 

 LE writes:
 Effortless transcending isn't a teaching. Effortless transcending can't be 
taught. It is what hopefully results from maintaining the "purity of the 
teaching" -that the student will absorb the strategy for setting up conditions 
for effortless transcending to occur by the time he or she finishes the 4-day 
TM course. 

 
 ... And different people have different ideas about what is what.

 

 Rick, for example, in his interview with John Hagelin, told John that he has 
meditated without fail for many decades. 
 

 On the other hand, Rick has said in Fairfield Life that he no longer uses TM 
mantras when he meditates.
 

 

 Is this an important distinction? Does it make a difference for practice in 
the Domes?
 

 Would John have agreed with Rick's statement had he known that Rick no longer 
uses TM mantras?
 

 

 

 Everyone interprets things differently.
 

 

 L
 

 Of course practically, it would be good if folks should not confuse changing 
policy guidelines being the equal with a changing in the purity of the 
teaching. Policy guidelines facilitate a teaching but are not the purity of the 
teaching themselves. Effortless transcending is the purity. Dealing with some 
of the TM-Taliban-like TM traditionalists on policy is the sort of matter not 
unlike dealing with a Joe Stalin. Lists get made. Good people can end up in 
meditator 'Siberia'. The Prime Minister is clearly the most powerful person 
inside all of this. Anybody have the courage to talk with him about, “the 
Problem”?   Anybody get through to Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam?
 
 A change like this would have to come from a MahaRaja. 
 -Buck
 

 Srijau@... posts:

 . ..rethink the policies that reduce super-radiance by banning people from the 
domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting other spiritual guru types 
when they are not wavering their adherence to core values concerning the TM and 
TM Sidhis purity 

 
 Om; this memo, did it come from anybody who could actually affect change in 
the policy or is this more just “talking” around “the problem”?  Just wondering 
who this came from,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 srijau@... posts:

 

 "Now that the introduction of Maharishi brahminism is getting a thoughtful 
"reboot" to make the participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge, 
we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce super-radiance by 
banning people from the domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting 
other spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their adherence to core 
values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis purity."
 .

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Super Radiance

[dhamiltony2k5]

Good example. An old and practicing meditator like Rick is so entrained in the 
transcendent and the culture of the transcendent he ought to be invited back to 
meditate along with the big group in some way. An old meditator like Rick could 
easily just be asked to join with the group and meditate.  I would recommend 
Rick for the group meditation.  I'd be glad to have someone join back in like 
Rick to sit with in meditation.  He would be a spiritually powerful and healing 
element towards our field effect generation of peace in the Domes.   
 There is a whole community of folks like Rick here and a small greying 
community of people who go to the Domes according to the guidelines. Your 
answer to the communal problem is continued dwindle in the strict preservation 
of the existing exclusivity.  We got a problem with that position.  It is 
called survival as a group. -Buck in the Dome  
 The Fairfield Meditating Community:
 
 
 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on 
balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit 
of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of 
all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson 
County area.” 
 

 

 

 LE writes:
 Effortless transcending isn't a teaching. Effortless transcending can't be 
taught. It is what hopefully results from maintaining the "purity of the 
teaching" -that the student will absorb the strategy for setting up conditions 
for effortless transcending to occur by the time he or she finishes the 4-day 
TM course. 

 
 ... And different people have different ideas about what is what.

 

 Rick, for example, in his interview with John Hagelin, told John that he has 
meditated without fail for many decades. 
 

 On the other hand, Rick has said in Fairfield Life that he no longer uses TM 
mantras when he meditates.
 

 

 Is this an important distinction? Does it make a difference for practice in 
the Domes?
 

 Would John have agreed with Rick's statement had he known that Rick no longer 
uses TM mantras?
 

 

 

 Everyone interprets things differently.
 

 

 L
 

 Of course practically, it would be good if folks should not confuse changing 
policy guidelines being the equal with a changing in the purity of the 
teaching. Policy guidelines facilitate a teaching but are not the purity of the 
teaching themselves. Effortless transcending is the purity. Dealing with some 
of the TM-Taliban-like TM traditionalists on policy is the sort of matter not 
unlike dealing with a Joe Stalin. Lists get made. Good people can end up in 
meditator 'Siberia'. The Prime Minister is clearly the most powerful person 
inside all of this. Anybody have the courage to talk with him about, “the 
Problem”? Anybody get through to Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam?
 
 A change like this would have to come from a MahaRaja.
 

 Srijau@... posts:

 . ..rethink the policies that reduce super-radiance by banning people from the 
domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting other spiritual guru types 
when they are not wavering their adherence to core values concerning the TM and 
TM Sidhis purity 

 
 Om; this memo, did it come from anybody who could actually affect change in 
the policy or is this more just “talking” around “the problem”?  Just wondering 
who this came from,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 srijau@... posts:

 

 "Now that the introduction of Maharishi brahminism is getting a thoughtful 
"reboot" to make the participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge, 
we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce super-radiance by 
banning people from the domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting 
other spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their adherence to core 
values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis purity."
 .

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Super Radiance

[LEnglish5]

Effortless transcending isn't a teaching. Effortless transcending can't be 
taught. It is what hopefully results from maintaining the "purity of the 
teaching" -that the student will absorb the strategy for setting up conditions 
for effortless transcending to occur by the time he or she finishes the 4-day 
TM course. 

 
 

 And different people have different ideas about what is what.
 

 Rick, for example, in his interview with John Hagelin, told John that he has 
meditated without fail for many decades. 
 

 On the other hand, Rick has said in Fairfield Life that he no longer uses TM 
mantras when he meditates.
 

 

 Is this an important distinction? Does it make a difference for practice in 
the Domes?
 

 Would John have agreed with Rick's statement had he known that Rick no longer 
uses TM mantras?
 

 

 

 Everyone interprets things differently.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of course practically, it would be good if folks should not confuse changing 
policy guidelines being the equal with a changing in the purity of the 
teaching. Policy guidelines facilitate a teaching but are not the purity of the 
teaching themselves. Effortless transcending is the purity. Dealing with some 
of the TM-Taliban-like TM traditionalists on policy is the sort of matter not 
unlike dealing with a Joe Stalin. Lists get made. Good people can end up in 
meditator 'Siberia'. The Prime Minister is clearly the most powerful person 
inside all of this. Anybody have the courage to talk with him about, “the 
Problem”? Anybody get through to Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam?
 
 A change like this would have to come from a MahaRaja.
 

 Srijau@... posts:

 . ..rethink the policies that reduce super-radiance by banning people from the 
domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting other spiritual guru types 
when they are not wavering their adherence to core values concerning the TM and 
TM Sidhis purity 

 
 Om; this memo, did it come from anybody who could actually affect change in 
the policy or is this more just “talking” around “the problem”?  Just wondering 
who this came from,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 srijau@... posts:

 

 "Now that the introduction of Maharishi brahminism is getting a thoughtful 
"reboot" to make the participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge, 
we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce super-radiance by 
banning people from the domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting 
other spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their adherence to core 
values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis purity."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Super Radiance

[dhamiltony2k5]

Of course practically, it would be good if folks should not confuse changing 
policy guidelines being the equal with a changing in the purity of the 
teaching. Policy guidelines facilitate a teaching but are not the purity of the 
teaching themselves. Effortless transcending is the purity. Dealing with some 
of the TM-Taliban-like TM traditionalists on policy is the sort of matter not 
unlike dealing with a Joe Stalin. Lists get made. Good people can end up in 
meditator 'Siberia'. The Prime Minister is clearly the most powerful person 
inside all of this. Anybody have the courage to talk with him about, “the 
Problem”? Anybody get through to Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam?
 
 A change like this would have to come from a MahaRaja.
 

 Srijau@... posts:

 . ..rethink the policies that reduce super-radiance by banning people from the 
domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting other spiritual guru types 
when they are not wavering their adherence to core values concerning the TM and 
TM Sidhis purity 

 
 Om; this memo, did it come from anybody who could actually affect change in 
the policy or is this more just “talking” around “the problem”?  Just wondering 
who this came from,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 srijau@... posts:

 

 "Now that the introduction of Maharishi brahminism is getting a thoughtful 
"reboot" to make the participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge, 
we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce super-radiance by 
banning people from the domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting 
other spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their adherence to core 
values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis purity."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Super Radiance

[dhamiltony2k5]

A change like this would have to come from a MahaRaja.
 

 Srijau@... posts:

 . ..rethink the policies that reduce super-radiance by banning people from the 
domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting other spiritual guru types 
when they are not wavering their adherence to core values concerning the TM and 
TM Sidhis purity 

 
 Om; this memo, did it come from anybody who could actually affect change in 
the policy or is this more just “talking” around “the problem”?  Just wondering 
who this came from,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 srijau@... posts:

 

 "Now that the introduction of Maharishi brahminism is getting a thoughtful 
"reboot" to make the participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge, 
we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce super-radiance by 
banning people from the domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting 
other spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their adherence to core 
values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis purity."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually

[Michael Jackson]

Ship me yours and you'll find out.

On Tue, 5/6/14, Richard J. Williams  wrote:

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 Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2014, 5:57 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually

[Richard J. Williams]

On 5/6/2014 10:46 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> They claim ever thang is one anyhow so...
 >
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually

[Michael Jackson]

hey, haven't you been listening to them jaspers Rick interviews on BATGAP? They 
claim ever thang is one anyhow so...

On Tue, 5/6/14, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance 
Spiritually
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2014, 3:41 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   
 Please, don't be
 too hard on the Buckminister.
 
 He is simply unable to differentiate between
 TM, and the 
 TM-org, and MMY.   So should
 you.
 
 
 ---  wrote :
 
 Thanks
 pal, my spiritual practice at this time consist of
 encouraging folks who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately
 cease and desist and stop raght naow! Also I encourage those
 who are thinking of starting TM not to, and encouraging
 those who are thinking of going to MUM to also not to. 
 
 
 
 So far I have gotten one prospective MUM student to change
 his mind, and one meditator who had been regular for more
 than 40 years to cease and desist - he now does Christian
 prayer each morning and evening instead of that old Hindu
 devotional practice that people claim is the secular
 practice of TM. So not so much volume yet, but each
 experience is a mighty triumph and feels so so good. 
 
 
 
 So thanks for the idea but I am very fine. You should stop
 doing TMSP and just hang out on the farm in nature more and
 join me in getting people to quit TM and TMSP - its a mighty
 fine spiritual practice! I am also making plans as to how I
 am gonna torpedo any TM'ers stupid enough to attempt to
 get that Hindu devotional practice started in any schools in
 South Carolina. Y Haa! 
 
 
 --- 
 wrote :
 
 Easy MJ,
 you don't want to send Buck into a apoplectic
 fit.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 !
 MJ attempts escape from his sin
 by blending in to a crowd!   “...And if you want me to
 repent, why
 don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and Edg repent too?
 Am I the
 only spiritual sinner here on FFL?”awoelflebater
 writes:
 I
  still say you are giving MMY way too much influence and
 power, 
 crediting him with seemingly boundless corruption and
 negative effect on
  vast numbers of people. He may have been imperfect as a
 man, he may not
  have been enlightened (if there is such a thing - not in my
 books but, 
 whatever) and he may have had sex with women. This hardly
 puts him in 
 the league with half the adult population on the planet with
 regard to 
 'badness'. Sometimes your imagination appears to get
 the better of you 
 MJ. At best, TM is a healing, restful, expanding practice
 and at worst 
 it does nothing but provide an opportunity for a 20 minute
 nap. MMY's 
 personal foibles are just that, personal foibles. To let his
 weaknesses 
 or supposedly misleading 'scientific' assertions
 ruin the rest of your 
 adult life is giving him influence over you that is probably
 not for the
  best. I also understand that you were 'abused' by
 other asshats in the 
 Movement but MMY is not responsible for their idiocy or
 small 
 mindedness. Put blame where blame is due.
 
 MJ
 pleads:And
  if you want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis,
 Barry, Sal and 
 Edg repent too? Am I the only spiritual sinner here on
 FFL? 
 
 Yep
 both MJ and the jedi-spock in this thread here, you'll
 both be known
 for eternity in some negative footnotes to Maharishi Mahesh
 Yogi by
 your own comparisons.  Repent your ways before it is too
 late.  -Buck
 What
 a vile comparison.You're no jedi.  Not
 even close.-Buck in the Dome
 
 Jedi_spock writes on
 FFL:
 
 History is full of false prophets.  MMY is no exception.
 
 Lenin
 predicted that communism will pave public toilets with 
 gold.! 
 Hitler predicted a thousand year reich.  Prophet 
 Muhammed
 even promised a X-rated paradise.
 
 Moses was a genocidal killer
 who murdered even babies.  All 
 religions
 and cultures
 are full of these kind of conmen and 
 bandits.
 !Repent!
  !Repent You Spiritual sinner(s)!
 mjackson74 declares:
  Marshy was a liar and a fraud
 and his movement is an organization that perpetuates the
 fraud. So he deserves no
 consideration.
 Son, he
 deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for the work he did in the
 world on behalf of science, spirituality and
 humanity.
 
 
 As to your much vaunted Marshy Effect, the main effect is to
 keep the 
 True Believers in a mind numbed state, and to keep their
 money flowing 
 into the pockets of lazy individuals like Bevan and Girish
 who are 
 parasites living on the hard work of others. 
 
 
 
 As to the effect of TMSP in groups creating world peace -
 get online and
  look up the Little Rascals episode "A Lad and a
 Lamp" and you will see 
 that if you, Buck, go to a flea market and buy an old brass
 lamp, rub it
  and say "I wish Cotton was a money, I wish Cotton was
 a monkey" over 
 and over and over, then take the same brass lamp, rub it
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking Repentance Spiritually

[jedi_spock]

 Please, don't be too hard on the Buckminister.

He is simply unable to differentiate between TM, and the 
TM-org, and MMY.   So should you.
 
 
---  wrote :

 Thanks pal, my spiritual practice at this time consist of encouraging folks 
who are doing TM and TMSP to immediately cease and desist and stop raght naow! 
Also I encourage those who are thinking of starting TM not to, and encouraging 
those who are thinking of going to MUM to also not to. 
 
 So far I have gotten one prospective MUM student to change his mind, and one 
meditator who had been regular for more than 40 years to cease and desist - he 
now does Christian prayer each morning and evening instead of that old Hindu 
devotional practice that people claim is the secular practice of TM. So not so 
much volume yet, but each experience is a mighty triumph and feels so so good. 
 
 So thanks for the idea but I am very fine. You should stop doing TMSP and just 
hang out on the farm in nature more and join me in getting people to quit TM 
and TMSP - its a mighty fine spiritual practice! I am also making plans as to 
how I am gonna torpedo any TM'ers stupid enough to attempt to get that Hindu 
devotional practice started in any schools in South Carolina. Y Haa! 


---  wrote :

 

 Easy MJ, you don't want to send Buck into a apoplectic fit.









 ! MJ attempts escape from his sin by blending in to a crowd!   “...And if you 
want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and Edg repent too? 
Am I the only spiritual sinner here on FFL?”
 awoelflebater writes:
 I still say you are giving MMY way too much influence and power, crediting him 
with seemingly boundless corruption and negative effect on vast numbers of 
people. He may have been imperfect as a man, he may not have been enlightened 
(if there is such a thing - not in my books but, whatever) and he may have had 
sex with women. This hardly puts him in the league with half the adult 
population on the planet with regard to 'badness'. Sometimes your imagination 
appears to get the better of you MJ. At best, TM is a healing, restful, 
expanding practice and at worst it does nothing but provide an opportunity for 
a 20 minute nap. MMY's personal foibles are just that, personal foibles. To let 
his weaknesses or supposedly misleading 'scientific' assertions ruin the rest 
of your adult life is giving him influence over you that is probably not for 
the best. I also understand that you were 'abused' by other asshats in the 
Movement but MMY is not responsible for their idiocy or small mindedness. Put 
blame where blame is due.

MJ pleads:
 And if you want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and Edg 
repent too? Am I the only spiritual sinner here on FFL? 

 
 Yep both MJ and the jedi-spock in this thread here, you'll both be known for 
eternity in some negative footnotes to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi by your own 
comparisons. Repent your ways before it is too late.   -Buck 
 What a vile comparison. You're no jedi.  Not even close.
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 

 Jedi_spock writes on FFL:
 

 History is full of false prophets.  MMY is no exception.

Lenin predicted that communism will pave public toilets with 
gold.!  Hitler predicted a thousand year reich.  Prophet 
Muhammed even promised a X-rated paradise.

Moses was a genocidal killer who murdered even babies.  All 
religions and cultures are full of these kind of conmen and 
bandits.
 

 !Repent!  !Repent You Spiritual sinner(s)!
 

 mjackson74 declares:  
 Marshy was a liar and a fraud and his movement is an organization that 
perpetuates the fraud. So he deserves no consideration.
 

Son, he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for the work he did in the world on behalf 
of science, spirituality and humanity. 
 As to your much vaunted Marshy Effect, the main effect is to keep the True 
Believers in a mind numbed state, and to keep their money flowing into the 
pockets of lazy individuals like Bevan and Girish who are parasites living on 
the hard work of others. 
 
 As to the effect of TMSP in groups creating world peace - get online and look 
up the Little Rascals episode "A Lad and a Lamp" and you will see that if you, 
Buck, go to a flea market and buy an old brass lamp, rub it and say "I wish 
Cotton was a money, I wish Cotton was a monkey" over and over and over, then 
take the same brass lamp, rub it during program and say "I wish they was world 
peace, I wish they was world peace" over and over and over you will find that 
Cotton will actually become a monkey from your lamp rubbing and wishing it so 
long before you will get world peace from the genie of a lamp or doing TMSP in 
a group.
 

 You are reflecting a projection.
 

 Son, look away from the mirror!
 

 MJ, step away from the mirror!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking TM

[dhamiltony2k5]

The TM pundits?  Re-boot? This sounds like re-education boot-camp.  How about 
enrolling them as regular MSAE/MUM students and giving them an education too?  
They could come out chanting Sanskrit and also educated pundits too.  That 
would take the responsibility for their welfare out of the hands of the current 
over-seers who evidently are on over-whelm, and it might be more humane and 
transparent as to what is going on inside there. -Buck -
 

 sri...@ymail.com writes:

 
 to be more accurate, it is only the Brahmin pundits outside of India whose 
program is changing, they are going to get more knowledge of Maharishi's 
connections between modern science and Vedic science rather (than) just a 
traditional Hindu perspective. I have no influence to change any policy myself 
I'm giving an opinion.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[Richard J. Williams]

On 5/5/2014 8:11 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> And if you want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal 
> and Edg repent too? Am I the only spiritual sinner here on FFL? 
 >
Curtis has a degree in philosophy from MUM and he was the leader of the 
TM Center in DC for years - he's way over your head in the learning and 
teaching department. Sal is way over your head too, since you were just 
a baker for a few years. And, Edg went to MUM for years learning about 
physics and stuff. Barry was a seller of spiritual snake oil for over 
twenty years - you'll probably never top that, even if you joined a cult 
today and stayed for the rest of your life. These guys are way out of 
your league, Pal.

Get some smarts - you are a nobody posting to an obscure chat room on 
the internet. Get back to us when you've accomplished something, 
anything. Have a nice day.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[Michael Jackson]

what makes you think I haven't? 

On Mon, 5/5/14, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, May 5, 2014, 2:35 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   
 
 
 MJ, quite a few
 people including Ann seem to have gotten 
 over it.
 
 Although I have never been directly involved in
 any org 
 (officially), I have been in the
 periphery of many cults and 
 religious
 organisations (including the TM-org).    I have 
 had a ringside view of the entire phenomena,
 though my 
 interactions with all of them
 were unofficial.
     
 It's not easy to get these abusers out of
 the mind, but the 
 world is a much bigger
 place.  If Barry, Curtis, Salyawin, 
 and
 even Ann could pick themselves up and move on, so can 
 you.
 
 
 > > ---
  wrote :
 
 > > Shall we
 then compare Marshy and Girish to Gandhi who was a sexual
 opportunist, abuser and big time liar? At least Gandhi
 helped India get free from the Scorpion Nation's
 dominance - the only thing Marshy liberated was people's
 money from their bank accounts to his!
 
 > ---
  wrote :
 
 > I still
 say you are giving MMY way too much influence and power,
 crediting him with seemingly boundless corruption and
 negative effect on vast numbers of people. He may have been
 imperfect as a man, he may not have been enlightened (if
 there is such a thing - not in my books but, whatever) and
 he may have had sex with women. This hardly puts him in the
 league with half the adult population on the planet with
 regard to 'badness'. Sometimes your imagination
 appears to get the better of you MJ. At best, TM is a
 healing, restful, expanding practice and at worst it does
 nothing but provide an opportunity for a 20 minute nap.
 MMY's personal foibles are just that, personal foibles.
 To let his weaknesses or supposedly misleading
 'scientific' assertions ruin the rest of your adult
 life is giving him influence over you that is probably not
 for the best. I also understand that you were
 'abused' by other asshats in the Movement but MMY is
 not responsible for their idiocy or small mindedness. Put
 blame where blame is due.
 
 
 
 >
 >  And if you want me to repent, why don't
 you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and Edg repent too? Am I the
 only spiritual sinner here on FFL? 
 
 
 >
 > > 
 How bout some article on Marshy' sexual escapades? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

MJ, quite a few people including Ann seem to have gotten 
over it.

Although I have never been directly involved in any org 
(officially), I have been in the periphery of many cults and 
religious organisations (including the TM-org).I have 
had a ringside view of the entire phenomena, though my 
interactions with all of them were unofficial.

It's not easy to get these abusers out of the mind, but the 
world is a much bigger place.  If Barry, Curtis, Salyawin, 
and even Ann could pick themselves up and move on, so can 
you.
 

 Wha...? "Even" me? LOL


 > > ---  wrote :

 
 > > Shall we then compare Marshy and Girish to Gandhi who was a sexual 
 > > opportunist, abuser and big time liar? At least Gandhi helped India get 
 > > free from the Scorpion Nation's dominance - the only thing Marshy 
 > > liberated was people's money from their bank accounts to his!

> ---  wrote :


 
 
 > I still say you are giving MMY way too much influence and power, crediting 
 > him with seemingly boundless corruption and negative effect on vast numbers 
 > of people. He may have been imperfect as a man, he may not have been 
 > enlightened (if there is such a thing - not in my books but, whatever) and 
 > he may have had sex with women. This hardly puts him in the league with half 
 > the adult population on the planet with regard to 'badness'. Sometimes your 
 > imagination appears to get the better of you MJ. At best, TM is a healing, 
 > restful, expanding practice and at worst it does nothing but provide an 
 > opportunity for a 20 minute nap. MMY's personal foibles are just that, 
 > personal foibles. To let his weaknesses or supposedly misleading 
 > 'scientific' assertions ruin the rest of your adult life is giving him 
 > influence over you that is probably not for the best. I also understand that 
 > you were 'abused' by other asshats in the Movement but MMY is not 
 > responsible for their idiocy or small mindedness. Put blame where blame is 
 > due.

 
> >  And if you want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and 
> > Edg repent too? Am I the only spiritual sinner here on FFL? 
 
> > >  How bout some article on Marshy' sexual escapades? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[Richard J. Williams]

On 5/5/2014 8:53 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
He may have been imperfect as a man, he may not have been enlightened 
(if there is such a thing - not in my books but, whatever) and he may 
have had sex with women.

>
If even half of what Ned Wyn and Billy Clayton wrote about MMY is true, 
anyone would have to conclude that this guy, The Marshy, was just 
*/awesome!/* The guy must have been a */human dynamo/* - having young 
women into his room until 3:00 or 4:00 AM every night and then looking 
so fresh and rested in the morning at the lecture hall and then running 
a multi-national corporation all day.


How did he do it? He must have been getting so much /*powerful energy*/ 
from TM that nothing could stop him, or even keep up with him. Go figure.


From what I've read, MMY used to send the doorkeepers to their room to 
get some rest while he carried on until the early morning hours. Doing 
what - reading the mail or listening to poetry? Or, was he humping and 
bumping for hours on end? It's just simply */amazing/* what this guy, 
Mahesh, could do in 24 hours!


To say he was */enlightened/* is an understatement - the guy was */a 
genius/*! He had the power, the money, and the moves, and the charisma 
to motivate millions of people to work for him as bakers, cooks, and 
teachers and to give him millions of dollars so he could fly all over 
the world spreading his relaxation technique message. Now that's just 
*/incredible!/**

*


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[jedi_spock]

 

MJ, quite a few people including Ann seem to have gotten 
over it.

Although I have never been directly involved in any org 
(officially), I have been in the periphery of many cults and 
religious organisations (including the TM-org).I have 
had a ringside view of the entire phenomena, though my 
interactions with all of them were unofficial.

It's not easy to get these abusers out of the mind, but the 
world is a much bigger place.  If Barry, Curtis, Salyawin, 
and even Ann could pick themselves up and move on, so can 
you.


 > > ---  wrote :
 
 > > Shall we then compare Marshy and Girish to Gandhi who was a sexual 
 > > opportunist, abuser and big time liar? At least Gandhi helped India get 
 > > free from the Scorpion Nation's dominance - the only thing Marshy 
 > > liberated was people's money from their bank accounts to his!

> ---  wrote :

 

 > I still say you are giving MMY way too much influence and power, crediting 
 > him with seemingly boundless corruption and negative effect on vast numbers 
 > of people. He may have been imperfect as a man, he may not have been 
 > enlightened (if there is such a thing - not in my books but, whatever) and 
 > he may have had sex with women. This hardly puts him in the league with half 
 > the adult population on the planet with regard to 'badness'. Sometimes your 
 > imagination appears to get the better of you MJ. At best, TM is a healing, 
 > restful, expanding practice and at worst it does nothing but provide an 
 > opportunity for a 20 minute nap. MMY's personal foibles are just that, 
 > personal foibles. To let his weaknesses or supposedly misleading 
 > 'scientific' assertions ruin the rest of your adult life is giving him 
 > influence over you that is probably not for the best. I also understand that 
 > you were 'abused' by other asshats in the Movement but MMY is not 
 > responsible for their idiocy or small mindedness. Put blame where blame is 
 > due.

 
> >  And if you want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and 
> > Edg repent too? Am I the only spiritual sinner here on FFL? 
 
> > >  How bout some article on Marshy' sexual escapades? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Shall we then compare Marshy and Girish to Gandhi who was a sexual 
opportunist, abuser and big time liar? At least Gandhi helped India get free 
from the Scorpion Nation's dominance - the only thing Marshy liberated was 
people's money from their bank accounts to his!
 

 I still say you are giving MMY way too much influence and power, crediting him 
with seemingly boundless corruption and negative effect on vast numbers of 
people. He may have been imperfect as a man, he may not have been enlightened 
(if there is such a thing - not in my books but, whatever) and he may have had 
sex with women. This hardly puts him in the league with half the adult 
population on the planet with regard to 'badness'. Sometimes your imagination 
appears to get the better of you MJ. At best, TM is a healing, restful, 
expanding practice and at worst it does nothing but provide an opportunity for 
a 20 minute nap. MMY's personal foibles are just that, personal foibles. To let 
his weaknesses or supposedly misleading 'scientific' assertions ruin the rest 
of your adult life is giving him influence over you that is probably not for 
the best. I also understand that you were 'abused' by other asshats in the 
Movement but MMY is not responsible for their idiocy or small mindedness. Put 
blame where blame is due.
 
 And if you want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and Edg 
repent too? Am I the only spiritual sinner here on FFL? 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[Michael Jackson]

Shall we then compare Marshy and Girish to Gandhi who was a sexual opportunist, 
abuser and big time liar? At least Gandhi helped India get free from the 
Scorpion Nation's dominance - the only thing Marshy liberated was people's 
money from their bank accounts to his!

And if you want me to repent, why don't you suggest Curtis, Barry, Sal and Edg 
repent too? Am I the only spiritual sinner here on FFL? 



On Mon, 5/5/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, May 5, 2014, 12:49 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   What a vile comparison.  You're no
 jedi.  Not even close.-Buck in the
 Dome
 
 Jedi_spock writes on
 FFL:
 History is full of
 false prophets.  MMY is no exception.
 
 Lenin predicted that communism will pave public
 toilets with 
 gold.!  Hitler predicted a
 thousand year reich.  Prophet 
 Muhammed
 even promised a X-rated paradise.
 
 Moses was a genocidal killer who murdered even
 babies.  All 
 religions and cultures are
 full of these kind of conmen and 
 bandits.
 
 
 ---
  wrote :
 
 Marshy
 was a liar and a fraud and his movement is an organization
 that perpetuates the fraud. So he deserves no consideration.
 
 
 
 
 As to your much vaunted Marshy Effect, the main effect is to
 keep the True Believers in a mind numbed state, and to keep
 their money flowing into the pockets of lazy individuals
 like Bevan and Girish who are parasites living on the hard
 work of others. 
 
 
 
 As to the effect of TMSP in groups creating world peace -
 get online and look up the Little Rascals episode "A
 Lad and a Lamp" and you will see that if you, Buck, go
 to a flea market and buy an old brass lamp, rub it and say
 "I wish Cotton was a money, I wish Cotton was a
 monkey" over and over and over, then take the same
 brass lamp, rub it during program and say "I wish they
 was world peace, I wish they was world peace" over and
 over and over you will find that Cotton will actually become
 a monkey from your lamp rubbing and wishing it so long
 before you will get world peace from the genie of a lamp or
 doing TMSP in a group.
 
 
 
 
 A life well lived?  Consider
 
 repenting your spiritual sins and then come back
 
 and stop calling
 
 him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the
 other
 
 names you have called him.
 
 It is
 
 not too late,-Buck in the
 
 Dome 
 
 
 
 
 
 mjackson74 declares:
 
 
 
 I say this to you
 
 Steve and all my other critics here on FFL - If Marshy
 was
 
 enlightened, and if the TMO does much more good in the
 world
 
 than harm, I am willing to believe it, and I go on record
 
 that if those things can be proven to me then I will
 reverse
 
 every criticism I have ever leveled against the TMO and
 
 Marshy.
 
 
 
 
 
 I will stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of
 
 bitch and all the other names I have called him. I will
 
 become a spokesperson for the TMO, telling my story of how
 I
 
 became convinced that TM is the best thing since sliced
 
 bread. 
 
 
 
 
 I will spearhead a push to get TM in ALL middle schools,
 
 high schools, colleges, universities and trade schools in
 
 the country and in all US protectorates around the globe.
 
 
 
 
 
 I will be part of a supreme effort to get TM in every
 single
 
 US military facility around the world, I will ask that TM
 
 and TMSP become part of every soldier, sailor, airman,
 
 marine and coast guard basic training and 
 
 
 
 
 
 I will ask that Congress pass a law that every single
 
 congressman upon becoming elected must learn TM and TMSP.
 I
 
 would also have it further mandated that before ANY
 
 important vote on the house and senate floor the entire
 
 congress would meditate together for half an hour. 
 
 
 
 
 Before Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri and Steve spontaneously
 
 ascend into heaven over the idea of all of the above,
 thus
 
 far I see no proof nor even any credible evidence that
 
 Marshy was enlightened, nor that the TMO does more good
 than
 
 harm. Mostly I see and hear evidence of quite the
 opposite.
 
 Stories of Marshy's arrogance, elitist attitudes,
 Hindu
 
 fanaticism misuse and manipulation of people, and a great
 
 deal more of both personal experience and the collective
 
 experiences of friends, acquaintances and strangers that
 the
 
 TMO mainly tells us that all sorts of grand things are
 GONE
 
 happen, they are not happening now really for a variety
 of
 
 reasons but they are GONE happen, so keep giving
 generously
 
 and keep buying abundantly all our goods, service and
 
 nostrums so all this fabulous stuff will actually happen.
 
 
 
 
 
 Mostly the Marshy did and the TMO still today tells
 everyone
 
 to do it and buy it just cuz we say its real and true,
 not
 
 because it actually is true and real and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[dhamiltony2k5]

What a vile comparison.   You're no jedi.  Not even close.
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 
 Jedi_spock writes on FFL:
History is full of false prophets.  MMY is no exception.

Lenin predicted that communism will pave public toilets with 
gold.!  Hitler predicted a thousand year reich.  Prophet 
Muhammed even promised a X-rated paradise.

Moses was a genocidal killer who murdered even babies.  All 
religions and cultures are full of these kind of conmen and 
bandits.


---  wrote :

 Marshy was a liar and a fraud and his movement is an organization that 
perpetuates the fraud. So he deserves no consideration. 
 
 As to your much vaunted Marshy Effect, the main effect is to keep the True 
Believers in a mind numbed state, and to keep their money flowing into the 
pockets of lazy individuals like Bevan and Girish who are parasites living on 
the hard work of others. 
 
 As to the effect of TMSP in groups creating world peace - get online and look 
up the Little Rascals episode "A Lad and a Lamp" and you will see that if you, 
Buck, go to a flea market and buy an old brass lamp, rub it and say "I wish 
Cotton was a money, I wish Cotton was a monkey" over and over and over, then 
take the same brass lamp, rub it during program and say "I wish they was world 
peace, I wish they was world peace" over and over and over you will find that 
Cotton will actually become a monkey from your lamp rubbing and wishing it so 
long before you will get world peace from the genie of a lamp or doing TMSP in 
a group.
  
 A life well lived?  Consider
 repenting your spiritual sins and then come back
 and stop calling
 him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the other
 names you have called him.
 It is
 not too late,-Buck in the
 Dome 
 
 
 mjackson74 declares:
 
 I say this to you
 Steve and all my other critics here on FFL - If Marshy was
 enlightened, and if the TMO does much more good in the world
 than harm, I am willing to believe it, and I go on record
 that if those things can be proven to me then I will reverse
 every criticism I have ever leveled against the TMO and
 Marshy.
 
 
 I will stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of
 bitch and all the other names I have called him. I will
 become a spokesperson for the TMO, telling my story of how I
 became convinced that TM is the best thing since sliced
 bread. 
 

 I will spearhead a push to get TM in ALL middle schools,
 high schools, colleges, universities and trade schools in
 the country and in all US protectorates around the globe.
 
 
 I will be part of a supreme effort to get TM in every single
 US military facility around the world, I will ask that TM
 and TMSP become part of every soldier, sailor, airman,
 marine and coast guard basic training and 
 
 
 I will ask that Congress pass a law that every single
 congressman upon becoming elected must learn TM and TMSP. I
 would also have it further mandated that before ANY
 important vote on the house and senate floor the entire
 congress would meditate together for half an hour. 
 

 Before Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri and Steve spontaneously
 ascend into heaven over the idea of all of the above, thus
 far I see no proof nor even any credible evidence that
 Marshy was enlightened, nor that the TMO does more good than
 harm. Mostly I see and hear evidence of quite the opposite.
 Stories of Marshy's arrogance, elitist attitudes, Hindu
 fanaticism misuse and manipulation of people, and a great
 deal more of both personal experience and the collective
 experiences of friends, acquaintances and strangers that the
 TMO mainly tells us that all sorts of grand things are GONE
 happen, they are not happening now really for a variety of
 reasons but they are GONE happen, so keep giving generously
 and keep buying abundantly all our goods, service and
 nostrums so all this fabulous stuff will actually happen.
 
 
 Mostly the Marshy did and the TMO still today tells everyone
 to do it and buy it just cuz we say its real and true, not
 because it actually is true and real and good. They ask
 everyone to suspend their own common sense, their own wisdom
 and ability to discern truth and just believe whatever they
 are told by the TMO especially where what the TMO says today
 contradicts what was said yesterday. They want everyone just
 to believe and pay up even when the belief is obviously
 superstition such as hiding under your desks during a solar
 eclipse As to the claims and questionable research, I have
 to quote the wisdom of the Turq - If TM (and its adjunct
 programs) were any good, they wouldn't have to lie to
 sell them.
 
 
 

 
 


---  wrote :

 Marshy was a liar and a fraud and his movement is an organization that 
perpetuates the fraud. So he deserves no consideration. 
 
 As to your much vaunted Marshy Effect, the main effect is to keep the True 
Believers in a mind numbed state, and to keep their money flowing into the 
pock

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[jedi_spock]

 
History is full of false prophets.  MMY is no exception.

Lenin predicted that communism will pave public toilets with 
gold.!  Hitler predicted a thousand year reich.  Prophet 
Muhammed even promised a X-rated paradise.

Moses was a genocidal killer who murdered even babies.  All 
religions and cultures are full of these kind of conmen and 
bandits.


---  wrote :

 Marshy was a liar and a fraud and his movement is an organization that 
perpetuates the fraud. So he deserves no consideration. 
 
 As to your much vaunted Marshy Effect, the main effect is to keep the True 
Believers in a mind numbed state, and to keep their money flowing into the 
pockets of lazy individuals like Bevan and Girish who are parasites living on 
the hard work of others. 
 
 As to the effect of TMSP in groups creating world peace - get online and look 
up the Little Rascals episode "A Lad and a Lamp" and you will see that if you, 
Buck, go to a flea market and buy an old brass lamp, rub it and say "I wish 
Cotton was a money, I wish Cotton was a monkey" over and over and over, then 
take the same brass lamp, rub it during program and say "I wish they was world 
peace, I wish they was world peace" over and over and over you will find that 
Cotton will actually become a monkey from your lamp rubbing and wishing it so 
long before you will get world peace from the genie of a lamp or doing TMSP in 
a group.
 
 On Mon, 5/5/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote:
 
 
 A life well lived?  Consider
 repenting your spiritual sins and then come back
 and stop calling
 him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of bitch and all the other
 names you have called him.
 It is
 not too late,-Buck in the
 Dome 
 
 
 mjackson74 declares:
 
 I say this to you
 Steve and all my other critics here on FFL - If Marshy was
 enlightened, and if the TMO does much more good in the world
 than harm, I am willing to believe it, and I go on record
 that if those things can be proven to me then I will reverse
 every criticism I have ever leveled against the TMO and
 Marshy.
 
 
 I will stop calling him, Marshy, Old Goat, lying son of
 bitch and all the other names I have called him. I will
 become a spokesperson for the TMO, telling my story of how I
 became convinced that TM is the best thing since sliced
 bread. 
 

 I will spearhead a push to get TM in ALL middle schools,
 high schools, colleges, universities and trade schools in
 the country and in all US protectorates around the globe.
 
 
 I will be part of a supreme effort to get TM in every single
 US military facility around the world, I will ask that TM
 and TMSP become part of every soldier, sailor, airman,
 marine and coast guard basic training and 
 
 
 I will ask that Congress pass a law that every single
 congressman upon becoming elected must learn TM and TMSP. I
 would also have it further mandated that before ANY
 important vote on the house and senate floor the entire
 congress would meditate together for half an hour. 
 

 Before Buck, Nabby, Feste, Sri and Steve spontaneously
 ascend into heaven over the idea of all of the above, thus
 far I see no proof nor even any credible evidence that
 Marshy was enlightened, nor that the TMO does more good than
 harm. Mostly I see and hear evidence of quite the opposite.
 Stories of Marshy's arrogance, elitist attitudes, Hindu
 fanaticism misuse and manipulation of people, and a great
 deal more of both personal experience and the collective
 experiences of friends, acquaintances and strangers that the
 TMO mainly tells us that all sorts of grand things are GONE
 happen, they are not happening now really for a variety of
 reasons but they are GONE happen, so keep giving generously
 and keep buying abundantly all our goods, service and
 nostrums so all this fabulous stuff will actually happen.
 
 
 Mostly the Marshy did and the TMO still today tells everyone
 to do it and buy it just cuz we say its real and true, not
 because it actually is true and real and good. They ask
 everyone to suspend their own common sense, their own wisdom
 and ability to discern truth and just believe whatever they
 are told by the TMO especially where what the TMO says today
 contradicts what was said yesterday. They want everyone just
 to believe and pay up even when the belief is obviously
 superstition such as hiding under your desks during a solar
 eclipse As to the claims and questionable research, I have
 to quote the wisdom of the Turq - If TM (and its adjunct
 programs) were any good, they wouldn't have to lie to
 sell them.
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[srijau]

to be more accurate, it is only the Brahmin pundits outside of India whose 
program is changing, they are going to get more knowledge of Maharishi's 
connections between modern science and Vedic science rather just a traditional 
Hindu perspective. I have no influence to change any policy myself Im giving an 
opinion.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[dhamiltony2k5]

Om; this memo, did it come from anybody who could actually affect change in the 
policy or is this more just “talking” around “the problem”?  Just wondering who 
this came from,
 -Buck in the Dome
 
 sri...@ymail.com posts:

 

 "Now that the introduction of Maharishi brahminism is getting a thoughtful 
"reboot" to make the participants more appreciative of Maharishi's knowledge, 
we have a great opportunity to rethink policies that reduce super-radiance by 
banning people from the domes for "competing" with the movement or visiting 
other spiritual guru types when they are not wavering their adherence to core 
values concerning the TM and TM Sidhis purity."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great oppurtunity for rethinking

[srijau]

sorry I meant "opportunuity" and "Maharishi" brahminism