Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
But its not that Ann, its not regular Joes living their lives - that's the whole point - the TMO leaders are selling TM based on the lie that TM makes you superhuman! They used to say so explicitly, now they are a LITTLE more subdued about it, but not much. And in so doing they are hurting a lot of people. Ask anyone who grew up in the Movement. I said to Buck not long ago, I would have zero issue with the TMO IF they presented themselves openly and honestly and just said look, we have to scientific evidence that this stuff works, and if you go anywhere beyond the basic technique your participation requires a good deal of money and a large lifestyle change, but we think you should do it cuz we do it... then I wouldn't have anything to say. But as I said before, it is about the mis-use and abuse of people today that I object to, as much as you seeing someone mis-treating an animal would mean to you. And an examination of the past of the TMO is a good way to see what they are doing today. When you cease to be concerned with animal abuse, then come tell me to cease to be concerned with something that concerns me just as much. On Thu, 4/17/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 17, 2014, 4:54 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are wrong in assuming that all this stems from what you have called my gullibility. It doesn't. And it does matter if the people committing crimes are doing TM. Especially when they make the claims for TM that they make. If Ann, you choose to have a hands off attitude toward the Movement when they are actively abusing people, that's your business, but don't expect the rest of us the bury our heads in the sand along with you. I won't do it. That's all fine and good for you but you all act like you are surprised that all the claims of TM and the Movement aren't true. That's pretty much all I'm saying. It's just a sales pitch like lots of other sales pitches and everyone needs to buyer beware and if something sounds too airy fairy and too good to be true, guess what... So for posters here to cite every singe instance some meditator or movement bigwig does something criminal or suspect it seems silly to me. THESE ARE ALL JUST REGULAR JOES LIVING THEIR IMPERFECT LIVES. Citing instances of the idiocy of meditators is not proving anything to those who realized it was all mostly a sales pitch and not a formula for creating a super species of enlightened saints. I just don't quite get it, you guys aren't telling me anything I don't already know.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
I believe, (not certain,) the rapist was the guy who built (or bought) the first dome house built in the FF area...just north on Pleasant Plain Rdcirca 1982ish? Steve? was his name.would break into houses, rape and leave.in cities all over Iowa...could be I'm remembering it wrongly, but some guy went to prison for serial rape. Don't know if he ever had a flying badge. Truth be told, the movement's history is thoroughly bespattered with offenses petty and grave done by those who got to hobnob with the uppers -- our betters by dint of bank account. And the lower staff too would leverage any bureaucratic power -- the course office folks, for instance, came across to me as quite twisted in their vibe. Too, the leaders were dumped suddenly and without explanations -- regularly ticked and tocked off no matter their reps with us minions. What? Our widely adored God Conscious Jerry Jarvis suddenly was just not up to being life-supporting in his role for the movement? H, toughie to explain why Maharishi didn't magically see Jerry for what he was and would become, or that the technique failed to evolve him. Or what? Meanwhile a FF woman set herself on fire because of love. Elsewhen, in a small meeting, a would be apostate faux guru slapped a woman across the face -- and that audience hardly flinched at that therapy. The TMO history is freckled with those with good reputations and supposed spiritual heights who simply had bad luck -- their plane crashed while on a mission for Maharishi, their 20 million dollar company folds despite doing everything movementish, or they just dropped dead while young and well intended -- their good heartedness and charity and one-pointedness did exactly jack shit for them. In general, the poor stay poor, and the rich feel more evolved. And let's not forget those who taped off the first three rows of seats in virtually every meeting that Maharishi attended, and no one was ever told how to become someone important enough to sit in those areasbut I did see intiators seemingly saving seats for their families, and the rich always sat close or even on stage, etc. One never had to look at the movement too hard to spot how individuals cut every corner if their ego simply asserted it was okay to do it -- second thoughts be damned. My sister-in-law made out with Domesh in the back of a meeting with only 15 people in it -- I saw them. We're talking french kissing for fuck's sake. Everyone is a monkey brained rationalist. Who reading this has not heard DOZENS of stories of long-time, devoted, TMers doing some seriously fucked up shit -- every sort of financial chicanery, the whole spectrum of infidelities, the small company potentates, the throngs packing meetings thrown by carpet-bagging magicians coming to town and siphoning off the TMers on the fringe of their true-believerism due to decades of abuse. Fairfield roils with iniquity. TM does not affect personality or morality. Nope. It. Does. Not. And we're gunna die -- pretty damned soon. Ready for it? My prediction: Ego process ceases, and any soul's individuality or ownership of a certain history dissolves into unfixable entropy -- only God could can remember every iota of any and all -- there's the only residual of existence possible for souls after the body goes poof -- as faint possibilities in the back of God's mind. And every day I was in the movement, I did the same immoral shit in my spheres of influence. We all do and did. TM did not save us from ourselves. Our shit was not gotten together. The organization to teach Esperanto is more successful in creating world peace -- bigger organization, better funded, thousands of offices. TMO did jack comparatively. And half the Beatles died young with personal histories replete with turmoil. Where's the beef? Where's the fucking beef? Who seems plump? Somebody's got the money, right? And yet I would not stay anyone about to sit and meditate -- no matter the provenance of the mantras used. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
Edg is off his medication again. Pity since he's a quite good writer when he is a low. And yet I would not stay anyone about to sit and meditate -- no matter the provenance of the mantras used. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
Wow, the actual story of the rapist turns out to be quite a bit different than it was first portrayed by Edg, doesn't it, a least as it attempts to implicate the TMO in this offense. And I guess the paragraphs that follow, and which contain absolutely nothing new, are meant to make up for this lack. You sort of have a habit of doing this, I've observed, Edg. Part of your mission I think you said once. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I believe, (not certain,) the rapist was the guy who built (or bought) the first dome house built in the FF area...just north on Pleasant Plain Rdcirca 1982ish? Steve? was his name.would break into houses, rape and leave.in cities all over Iowa...could be I'm remembering it wrongly, but some guy went to prison for serial rape. Don't know if he ever had a flying badge. Truth be told, the movement's history is thoroughly bespattered with offenses petty and grave done by those who got to hobnob with the uppers -- our betters by dint of bank account. And the lower staff too would leverage any bureaucratic power -- the course office folks, for instance, came across to me as quite twisted in their vibe. Too, the leaders were dumped suddenly and without explanations -- regularly ticked and tocked off no matter their reps with us minions. What? Our widely adored God Conscious Jerry Jarvis suddenly was just not up to being life-supporting in his role for the movement? H, toughie to explain why Maharishi didn't magically see Jerry for what he was and would become, or that the technique failed to evolve him. Or what? Meanwhile a FF woman set herself on fire because of love. Elsewhen, in a small meeting, a would be apostate faux guru slapped a woman across the face -- and that audience hardly flinched at that therapy. The TMO history is freckled with those with good reputations and supposed spiritual heights who simply had bad luck -- their plane crashed while on a mission for Maharishi, their 20 million dollar company folds despite doing everything movementish, or they just dropped dead while young and well intended -- their good heartedness and charity and one-pointedness did exactly jack shit for them. In general, the poor stay poor, and the rich feel more evolved. And let's not forget those who taped off the first three rows of seats in virtually every meeting that Maharishi attended, and no one was ever told how to become someone important enough to sit in those areasbut I did see intiators seemingly saving seats for their families, and the rich always sat close or even on stage, etc. One never had to look at the movement too hard to spot how individuals cut every corner if their ego simply asserted it was okay to do it -- second thoughts be damned. My sister-in-law made out with Domesh in the back of a meeting with only 15 people in it -- I saw them. We're talking french kissing for fuck's sake. Everyone is a monkey brained rationalist. Who reading this has not heard DOZENS of stories of long-time, devoted, TMers doing some seriously fucked up shit -- every sort of financial chicanery, the whole spectrum of infidelities, the small company potentates, the throngs packing meetings thrown by carpet-bagging magicians coming to town and siphoning off the TMers on the fringe of their true-believerism due to decades of abuse. Fairfield roils with iniquity. TM does not affect personality or morality. Nope. It. Does. Not. And we're gunna die -- pretty damned soon. Ready for it? My prediction: Ego process ceases, and any soul's individuality or ownership of a certain history dissolves into unfixable entropy -- only God could can remember every iota of any and all -- there's the only residual of existence possible for souls after the body goes poof -- as faint possibilities in the back of God's mind. And every day I was in the movement, I did the same immoral shit in my spheres of influence. We all do and did. TM did not save us from ourselves. Our shit was not gotten together. The organization to teach Esperanto is more successful in creating world peace -- bigger organization, better funded, thousands of offices. TMO did jack comparatively. And half the Beatles died young with personal histories replete with turmoil. Where's the beef? Where's the fucking beef? Who seems plump? Somebody's got the money, right? And yet I would not stay anyone about to sit and meditate -- no matter the provenance of the mantras used. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
Part of your mission I think you said once. Like the rest of the most heavy critics here, the Turq and MJ. But unlike the two others Edg has been OK for quite awhile now. Guess he is off medication again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Wow, the actual story of the rapist turns out to be quite a bit different than it was first portrayed by Edg, doesn't it, a least as it attempts to implicate the TMO in this offense. And I guess the paragraphs that follow, and which contain absolutely nothing new, are meant to make up for this lack. You sort of have a habit of doing this, I've observed, Edg. Part of your mission I think you said once. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I believe, (not certain,) the rapist was the guy who built (or bought) the first dome house built in the FF area...just north on Pleasant Plain Rdcirca 1982ish? Steve? was his name.would break into houses, rape and leave.in cities all over Iowa...could be I'm remembering it wrongly, but some guy went to prison for serial rape. Don't know if he ever had a flying badge. Truth be told, the movement's history is thoroughly bespattered with offenses petty and grave done by those who got to hobnob with the uppers -- our betters by dint of bank account. And the lower staff too would leverage any bureaucratic power -- the course office folks, for instance, came across to me as quite twisted in their vibe. Too, the leaders were dumped suddenly and without explanations -- regularly ticked and tocked off no matter their reps with us minions. What? Our widely adored God Conscious Jerry Jarvis suddenly was just not up to being life-supporting in his role for the movement? H, toughie to explain why Maharishi didn't magically see Jerry for what he was and would become, or that the technique failed to evolve him. Or what? Meanwhile a FF woman set herself on fire because of love. Elsewhen, in a small meeting, a would be apostate faux guru slapped a woman across the face -- and that audience hardly flinched at that therapy. The TMO history is freckled with those with good reputations and supposed spiritual heights who simply had bad luck -- their plane crashed while on a mission for Maharishi, their 20 million dollar company folds despite doing everything movementish, or they just dropped dead while young and well intended -- their good heartedness and charity and one-pointedness did exactly jack shit for them. In general, the poor stay poor, and the rich feel more evolved. And let's not forget those who taped off the first three rows of seats in virtually every meeting that Maharishi attended, and no one was ever told how to become someone important enough to sit in those areasbut I did see intiators seemingly saving seats for their families, and the rich always sat close or even on stage, etc. One never had to look at the movement too hard to spot how individuals cut every corner if their ego simply asserted it was okay to do it -- second thoughts be damned. My sister-in-law made out with Domesh in the back of a meeting with only 15 people in it -- I saw them. We're talking french kissing for fuck's sake. Everyone is a monkey brained rationalist. Who reading this has not heard DOZENS of stories of long-time, devoted, TMers doing some seriously fucked up shit -- every sort of financial chicanery, the whole spectrum of infidelities, the small company potentates, the throngs packing meetings thrown by carpet-bagging magicians coming to town and siphoning off the TMers on the fringe of their true-believerism due to decades of abuse. Fairfield roils with iniquity. TM does not affect personality or morality. Nope. It. Does. Not. And we're gunna die -- pretty damned soon. Ready for it? My prediction: Ego process ceases, and any soul's individuality or ownership of a certain history dissolves into unfixable entropy -- only God could can remember every iota of any and all -- there's the only residual of existence possible for souls after the body goes poof -- as faint possibilities in the back of God's mind. And every day I was in the movement, I did the same immoral shit in my spheres of influence. We all do and did. TM did not save us from ourselves. Our shit was not gotten together. The organization to teach Esperanto is more successful in creating world peace -- bigger organization, better funded, thousands of offices. TMO did jack comparatively. And half the Beatles died young with personal histories replete with turmoil. Where's the beef? Where's the fucking beef? Who seems plump? Somebody's got the money, right? And yet I would not stay anyone about to sit and meditate -- no matter the provenance of the mantras used. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
Wow! That was quite a reply - thank you Edg, and I note that all the TM TB'ers are being strangely silent on your post. I guess it kind of hard to refute cold hard facts. On Thu, 4/17/14, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 17, 2014 I believe, (not certain,) the rapist was the guy who built (or bought) the first dome house built in the FF area...just north on Pleasant Plain Rdcirca 1982ish? Steve? was his name.would break into houses, rape and leave.in cities all over Iowa...could be I'm remembering it wrongly, but some guy went to prison for serial rape. Don't know if he ever had a flying badge. Truth be told, the movement's history is thoroughly bespattered with offenses petty and grave done by those who got to hobnob with the uppers -- our betters by dint of bank account. And the lower staff too would leverage any bureaucratic power -- the course office folks, for instance, came across to me as quite twisted in their vibe. Too, the leaders were dumped suddenly and without explanations -- regularly ticked and tocked off no matter their reps with us minions. What? Our widely adored God Conscious Jerry Jarvis suddenly was just not up to being life-supporting in his role for the movement? H, toughie to explain why Maharishi didn't magically see Jerry for what he was and would become, or that the technique failed to evolve him. Or what? Meanwhile a FF woman set herself on fire because of love. Elsewhen, in a small meeting, a would be apostate faux guru slapped a woman across the face -- and that audience hardly flinched at that therapy. The TMO history is freckled with those with good reputations and supposed spiritual heights who simply had bad luck -- their plane crashed while on a mission for Maharishi, their 20 million dollar company folds despite doing everything movementish, or they just dropped dead while young and well intended -- their good heartedness and charity and one-pointedness did exactly jack shit for them. In general, the poor stay poor, and the rich feel more evolved. And let's not forget those who taped off the first three rows of seats in virtually every meeting that Maharishi attended, and no one was ever told how to become someone important enough to sit in those areasbut I did see intiators seemingly saving seats for their families, and the rich always sat close or even on stage, etc. One never had to look at the movement too hard to spot how individuals cut every corner if their ego simply asserted it was okay to do it -- second thoughts be damned. My sister-in-law made out with Domesh in the back of a meeting with only 15 people in it -- I saw them. We're talking french kissing for fuck's sake. Everyone is a monkey brained rationalist. Who reading this has not heard DOZENS of stories of long-time, devoted, TMers doing some seriously fucked up shit -- every sort of financial chicanery, the whole spectrum of infidelities, the small company potentates, the throngs packing meetings thrown by carpet-bagging magicians coming to town and siphoning off the TMers on the fringe of their true-believerism due to decades of abuse. Fairfield roils with iniquity. TM does not affect personality or morality. Nope. It. Does. Not. And we're gunna die -- pretty damned soon. Ready for it? My prediction: Ego process ceases, and any soul's individuality or ownership of a certain history dissolves into unfixable entropy -- only God could can remember every iota of any and all -- there's the only residual of existence possible for souls after the body goes poof -- as faint possibilities in the back of God's mind. And every day I was in the movement, I did the same immoral shit in my spheres of influence. We all do and did. TM did not save us from ourselves. Our shit was not gotten together. The organization to teach Esperanto is more successful in creating world peace -- bigger organization, better funded, thousands of offices. TMO did jack comparatively. And half the Beatles died young with personal histories replete with turmoil. Where's the beef? Where's the fucking beef? Who seems plump? Somebody's got the money, right? And yet I would not stay anyone about to sit and meditate -- no matter the provenance of the mantras used. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Part of your mission I think you said once. Like the rest of the most heavy critics here, the Turq and MJ. But unlike the two others Edg has been OK for quite awhile now. Guess he is off medication again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Wow, the actual story of the rapist turns out to be quite a bit different than it was first portrayed by Edg, doesn't it, a least as it attempts to implicate the TMO in this offense. And I guess the paragraphs that follow, and which contain absolutely nothing new, are meant to make up for this lack. You sort of have a habit of doing this, I've observed, Edg. Part of your mission I think you said once. I still marvel at those who believed, lock, stock and barrel, that TM was going to magically make anyone better than human, was going to bring about worldwide peace, was going to eradicate all greed, pettiness or impropriety in those who practiced it. Who believed that stuff? Truly, how naive can these/you people have been? And then to bellyache and whine for the next three decades and point to every aberrational thing that TM'ers did and still do. C'mon people, were you all born yesterday in some turnip patch? Get a grip, and I have said this before to MJ, take responsibility for where you took it all too literally then are disappointed when you realize you should have added about a shaker of salt to it all. I am amazed that some of you take the time and effort to point out these ridiculous examples of how TM doesn't work - somebody was making out with Domash, people reserved seats at meetings, so and so tried to commit suicide, someone else ripped off a bunch of people in some investment scheme. THESE ARE PEOPLE, PEOPLE DO THIS STUFF AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT UNTIL THE END OF TIME. It doesn't matter if they are practicing TM, are vegan, work for MacDonald's or play in the Chicago Symphony. The only thing that will end how the human race operates is death. At that time all pettiness and human foibles will cease, until then, we will be surrounded by this crazy circus called humanity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I believe, (not certain,) the rapist was the guy who built (or bought) the first dome house built in the FF area...just north on Pleasant Plain Rdcirca 1982ish? Steve? was his name.would break into houses, rape and leave.in cities all over Iowa...could be I'm remembering it wrongly, but some guy went to prison for serial rape. Don't know if he ever had a flying badge. Truth be told, the movement's history is thoroughly bespattered with offenses petty and grave done by those who got to hobnob with the uppers -- our betters by dint of bank account. And the lower staff too would leverage any bureaucratic power -- the course office folks, for instance, came across to me as quite twisted in their vibe. Too, the leaders were dumped suddenly and without explanations -- regularly ticked and tocked off no matter their reps with us minions. What? Our widely adored God Conscious Jerry Jarvis suddenly was just not up to being life-supporting in his role for the movement? H, toughie to explain why Maharishi didn't magically see Jerry for what he was and would become, or that the technique failed to evolve him. Or what? Meanwhile a FF woman set herself on fire because of love. Elsewhen, in a small meeting, a would be apostate faux guru slapped a woman across the face -- and that audience hardly flinched at that therapy. The TMO history is freckled with those with good reputations and supposed spiritual heights who simply had bad luck -- their plane crashed while on a mission for Maharishi, their 20 million dollar company folds despite doing everything movementish, or they just dropped dead while young and well intended -- their good heartedness and charity and one-pointedness did exactly jack shit for them. In general, the poor stay poor, and the rich feel more evolved. And let's not forget those who taped off the first three rows of seats in virtually every meeting that Maharishi attended, and no one was ever told how to become someone important enough to sit in those areasbut I did see intiators seemingly saving seats for their families, and the rich always sat close or even on stage, etc. One never had to look at the movement too hard to spot how individuals cut every corner if their ego simply asserted it was okay to do it -- second thoughts be damned. My sister-in-law made out with Domesh in the back of a meeting with only 15 people in it -- I saw them. We're talking french kissing for fuck's sake. Everyone is a monkey brained rationalist. Who reading this has not heard DOZENS of stories of long-time, devoted, TMers doing some seriously fucked up shit -- every sort of financial chicanery, the whole spectrum
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
On 4/16/2014 9:45 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: There is a serial rapist doing time who was or is a TM'er??? Do tell please. Never pass up a tragedy as an opportunity to win a religious debate. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 4/17/2014 1:52 AM, Duveyoung wrote: And the lower staff too would leverage any bureaucratic power -- the course office folks, for instance, came across to me as quite twisted in their vibe. So, I wonder if this includes cooks, bakers and kitchen staff at the MUM cafeteria. I've only heard from one, but he seems to be quite twisted in his vibe. He apparently worked there for two years but didn't attend any classes. That's twisted. Recently, he didn't seem to realize that the goal of practicing Kung Fu was enlightenment. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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You are wrong in assuming that all this stems from what you have called my gullibility. It doesn't. And it does matter if the people committing crimes are doing TM. Especially when they make the claims for TM that they make. If Ann, you choose to have a hands off attitude toward the Movement when they are actively abusing people, that's your business, but don't expect the rest of us the bury our heads in the sand along with you. I won't do it. On Thu, 4/17/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 17, 2014, 1:33 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Part of your mission I think you said once.Like the rest of the most heavy critics here, the Turq and MJ.But unlike the two others Edg has been OK for quite awhile now. Guess he is off medication again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Wow, the actual story of the rapist turns out to be quite a bit different than it was first portrayed by Edg, doesn't it, a least as it attempts to implicate the TMO in this offense. And I guess the paragraphs that follow, and which contain absolutely nothing new, are meant to make up for this lack. You sort of have a habit of doing this, I've observed, Edg. Part of your mission I think you said once. I still marvel at those who believed, lock, stock and barrel, that TM was going to magically make anyone better than human, was going to bring about worldwide peace, was going to eradicate all greed, pettiness or impropriety in those who practiced it. Who believed that stuff? Truly, how naive can these/you people have been? And then to bellyache and whine for the next three decades and point to every aberrational thing that TM'ers did and still do. C'mon people, were you all born yesterday in some turnip patch? Get a grip, and I have said this before to MJ, take responsibility for where you took it all too literally then are disappointed when you realize you should have added about a shaker of salt to it all. I am amazed that some of you take the time and effort to point out these ridiculous examples of how TM doesn't work - somebody was making out with Domash, people reserved seats at meetings, so and so tried to commit suicide, someone else ripped off a bunch of people in some investment scheme. THESE ARE PEOPLE, PEOPLE DO THIS STUFF AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT UNTIL THE END OF TIME. It doesn't matter if they are practicing TM, are vegan, work for MacDonald's or play in the Chicago Symphony. The only thing that will end how the human race operates is death. At that time all pettiness and human foibles will cease, until then, we will be surrounded by this crazy circus called humanity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I believe, (not certain,) the rapist was the guy who built (or bought) the first dome house built in the FF area...just north on Pleasant Plain Rdcirca 1982ish? Steve? was his name.would break into houses, rape and leave.in cities all over Iowa...could be I'm remembering it wrongly, but some guy went to prison for serial rape. Don't know if he ever had a flying badge. Truth be told, the movement's history is thoroughly bespattered with offenses petty and grave done by those who got to hobnob with the uppers -- our betters by dint of bank account. And the lower staff too would leverage any bureaucratic power -- the course office folks, for instance, came across to me as quite twisted in their vibe. Too, the leaders were dumped suddenly and without explanations -- regularly ticked and tocked off no matter their reps with us minions. What? Our widely adored God Conscious Jerry Jarvis suddenly was just not up to being life-supporting in his role for the movement? H, toughie to explain why Maharishi didn't magically see Jerry for what he was and would become, or that the technique failed to evolve him. Or what? Meanwhile a FF woman set herself on fire because of love. Elsewhen, in a small meeting, a would be apostate faux guru slapped a woman across the face -- and that audience hardly flinched at that therapy. The TMO history is freckled with those with good reputations and supposed spiritual heights who simply had bad luck -- their plane crashed while on a mission for Maharishi, their 20 million dollar company folds despite doing everything movementish, or they just dropped dead while young and well intended -- their good heartedness and charity and one-pointedness did exactly jack shit for them. In general, the poor stay poor, and the rich feel more evolved. And let's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
On 4/17/2014 10:10 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: but don't expect the rest of us the bury our heads in the sand along with you. I won't do it. You are apparently burying your head in the sand when it comes to political abuse in China. It's one thing to dislike MUM or the TMO, but it's quite another thing to be actively supporting the Chinese communist suppression of Falun Gong, and at the same time, claim to be practicing Kung Fu in SC. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
Good rap, Edg. Just one question: would you be disappointed if you live another 20 years? :-D On 04/16/2014 11:52 PM, Duveyoung wrote: I believe, (not certain,) the rapist was the guy who built (or bought) the first dome house built in the FF area...just north on Pleasant Plain Rdcirca 1982ish? Steve? was his name.would break into houses, rape and leave.in cities all over Iowa...could be I'm remembering it wrongly, but some guy went to prison for serial rape. Don't know if he ever had a flying badge. Truth be told, the movement's history is thoroughly bespattered with offenses petty and grave done by those who got to hobnob with the uppers -- our betters by dint of bank account. And the lower staff too would leverage any bureaucratic power -- the course office folks, for instance, came across to me as quite twisted in their vibe. Too, the leaders were dumped suddenly and without explanations -- regularly ticked and tocked off no matter their reps with us minions. What? Our widely adored God Conscious Jerry Jarvis suddenly was just not up to being life-supporting in his role for the movement? H, toughie to explain why Maharishi didn't magically see Jerry for what he was and would become, or that the technique failed to evolve him. Or what? Meanwhile a FF woman set herself on fire because of love. Elsewhen, in a small meeting, a would be apostate faux guru slapped a woman across the face -- and that audience hardly flinched at that therapy. The TMO history is freckled with those with good reputations and supposed spiritual heights who simply had bad luck -- their plane crashed while on a mission for Maharishi, their 20 million dollar company folds despite doing everything movementish, or they just dropped dead while young and well intended -- their good heartedness and charity and one-pointedness did exactly jack shit for them. In general, the poor stay poor, and the rich feel more evolved. And let's not forget those who taped off the first three rows of seats in virtually every meeting that Maharishi attended, and no one was ever told how to become someone important enough to sit in those areasbut I did see intiators seemingly saving seats for their families, and the rich always sat close or even on stage, etc. One never had to look at the movement too hard to spot how individuals cut every corner if their ego simply asserted it was okay to do it -- second thoughts be damned. My sister-in-law made out with Domesh in the back of a meeting with only 15 people in it -- I saw them. We're talking french kissing for fuck's sake. Everyone is a monkey brained rationalist. Who reading this has not heard DOZENS of stories of long-time, devoted, TMers doing some seriously fucked up shit -- every sort of financial chicanery, the whole spectrum of infidelities, the small company potentates, the throngs packing meetings thrown by carpet-bagging magicians coming to town and siphoning off the TMers on the fringe of their true-believerism due to decades of abuse. Fairfield roils with iniquity. TM does not affect personality or morality. Nope. It. Does. Not. And we're gunna die -- pretty damned soon. Ready for it? My prediction: Ego process ceases, and any soul's individuality or ownership of a certain history dissolves into unfixable entropy -- only God could can remember every iota of any and all -- there's the only residual of existence possible for souls after the body goes poof -- as faint possibilities in the back of God's mind. And every day I was in the movement, I did the same immoral shit in my spheres of influence. We all do and did. TM did not save us from ourselves. Our shit was not gotten together. The organization to teach Esperanto is more successful in creating world peace -- bigger organization, better funded, thousands of offices. TMO did jack comparatively. And half the Beatles died young with personal histories replete with turmoil. Where's the beef? Where's the fucking beef? Who seems plump? Somebody's got the money, right? And yet I would not stay anyone about to sit and meditate -- no matter the provenance of the mantras used. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are wrong in assuming that all this stems from what you have called my gullibility. It doesn't. And it does matter if the people committing crimes are doing TM. Especially when they make the claims for TM that they make. If Ann, you choose to have a hands off attitude toward the Movement when they are actively abusing people, that's your business, but don't expect the rest of us the bury our heads in the sand along with you. I won't do it. That's all fine and good for you but you all act like you are surprised that all the claims of TM and the Movement aren't true. That's pretty much all I'm saying. It's just a sales pitch like lots of other sales pitches and everyone needs to buyer beware and if something sounds too airy fairy and too good to be true, guess what... So for posters here to cite every singe instance some meditator or movement bigwig does something criminal or suspect it seems silly to me. THESE ARE ALL JUST REGULAR JOES LIVING THEIR IMPERFECT LIVES. Citing instances of the idiocy of meditators is not proving anything to those who realized it was all mostly a sales pitch and not a formula for creating a super species of enlightened saints. I just don't quite get it, you guys aren't telling me anything I don't already know.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
On 4/17/2014 11:54 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: I just don't quite get it, you guys aren't telling me anything I don't already know. At this point, it's all about Judy. They know we've heard all this before, Ann. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
We were promised CC in 5 - 8 years. And then, we were LIED TO REPEATEDLY ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT FOR RESULTS from program after program after course after arjur this and arjur that. Anyone who claimed enlightenment turned out to be jokes. Even poor Rick has a hard time finding someone with plain ordinary charisma let alone obvious spiritual radiance. So many lies, that, what, now, isn't questionable? All the research is pretty much shitty work that can be debunked by a high school kid. And face it, a couple billion spent by true believers, and all we end up with is ZILCH for proofs of almost any sort. But we got a psychopath Girish slurping the money like DRACULA. And we have our movement's trail of scoundrels who bilked anyone with a mantra, or the bastard who drugged and raped his patients, or heck with the drugs, how about the guy who just plain ol' raped 20 of them and is in prison now, or of course there's the guy with the pen in his eye -- he might have had a fleeting last thought about Hey, the technique didn't solve this crazy guy's problems. And on and on and on. And on. And the funny part is that the technique has its virtues and should be studied. In truth, the movement blew it. We had something great, and we turned it into a money machine run by the most ridiculous popinjays. Edg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I am exceedingly certain that the TM-Sidhis ARE real, at least with respect to how they are supposed to affect the state of consciousness of the person who does them. Now, obviously, I can't prove that the floating stage of Yogic Flying is real, nor can I prove that TM + TM-Sidhis is beneficial to anyone, let alone everyone who practices them, but the EEG results of long-term practice of TM + TM-SIdhis look to be obviously different than simply doing TM for the same amount of time. So... if you trust that the EEG changes are in the direction of some state that is of value, then doing TM + TM-sidhis regularly is of value. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : http://imgur.com/gallery/eQ5NM http://imgur.com/gallery/eQ5NM
[FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
Never pass up a tragedy in order to win a religious debate. Edg: or the bastard who drugged and raped his patients, or heck with the drugs, how about the guy who just plain ol' raped 20 of them and is in prison now, or of course there's the guy with the pen in his eye -- he might have had a fleeting last thought about Hey, the technique didn't solve this crazy guy's problems.
[FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
Fred Travis found enough people to perform physiological and psychological studies on people reporting CC for at least one year. That study was published years ago. As my brain gets unfogged from 18 years of daily prozac, I'm finding that I'm having brief CC episodes whenever I'm regular with TM for more than a day or two, so it can't be all that uncommon with people who have been doing TM for several decades. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : We were promised CC in 5 - 8 years. And then, we were LIED TO REPEATEDLY ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT FOR RESULTS from program after program after course after arjur this and arjur that. Anyone who claimed enlightenment turned out to be jokes. Even poor Rick has a hard time finding someone with plain ordinary charisma let alone obvious spiritual radiance. So many lies, that, what, now, isn't questionable? All the research is pretty much shitty work that can be debunked by a high school kid. And face it, a couple billion spent by true believers, and all we end up with is ZILCH for proofs of almost any sort. But we got a psychopath Girish slurping the money like DRACULA. And we have our movement's trail of scoundrels who bilked anyone with a mantra, or the bastard who drugged and raped his patients, or heck with the drugs, how about the guy who just plain ol' raped 20 of them and is in prison now, or of course there's the guy with the pen in his eye -- he might have had a fleeting last thought about Hey, the technique didn't solve this crazy guy's problems. And on and on and on. And on. And the funny part is that the technique has its virtues and should be studied. In truth, the movement blew it. We had something great, and we turned it into a money machine run by the most ridiculous popinjays. Edg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I am exceedingly certain that the TM-Sidhis ARE real, at least with respect to how they are supposed to affect the state of consciousness of the person who does them. Now, obviously, I can't prove that the floating stage of Yogic Flying is real, nor can I prove that TM + TM-Sidhis is beneficial to anyone, let alone everyone who practices them, but the EEG results of long-term practice of TM + TM-SIdhis look to be obviously different than simply doing TM for the same amount of time. So... if you trust that the EEG changes are in the direction of some state that is of value, then doing TM + TM-sidhis regularly is of value. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : http://imgur.com/gallery/eQ5NM http://imgur.com/gallery/eQ5NM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
Well said Edg. And all true. On Wed, 4/16/14, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2014, 3:16 PM We were promised CC in 5 - 8 years. And then, we were LIED TO REPEATEDLY ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT FOR RESULTS from program after program after course after arjur this and arjur that. Anyone who claimed enlightenment turned out to be jokes. Even poor Rick has a hard time finding someone with plain ordinary charisma let alone obvious spiritual radiance. So many lies, that, what, now, isn't questionable? All the research is pretty much shitty work that can be debunked by a high school kid. And face it, a couple billion spent by true believers, and all we end up with is ZILCH for proofs of almost any sort. But we got a psychopath Girish slurping the money like DRACULA. And we have our movement's trail of scoundrels who bilked anyone with a mantra, or the bastard who drugged and raped his patients, or heck with the drugs, how about the guy who just plain ol' raped 20 of them and is in prison now, or of course there's the guy with the pen in his eye -- he might have had a fleeting last thought about Hey, the technique didn't solve this crazy guy's problems. And on and on and on. And on. And the funny part is that the technique has its virtues and should be studied. In truth, the movement blew it. We had something great, and we turned it into a money machine run by the most ridiculous popinjays. Edg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I am exceedingly certain that the TM-Sidhis ARE real, at least with respect to how they are supposed to affect the state of consciousness of the person who does them. Now, obviously, I can't prove that the floating stage of Yogic Flying is real, nor can I prove that TM + TM-Sidhis is beneficial to anyone, let alone everyone who practices them, but the EEG results of long-term practice of TM + TM-SIdhis look to be obviously different than simply doing TM for the same amount of time. So... if you trust that the EEG changes are in the direction of some state that is of value, then doing TM + TM-sidhis regularly is of value. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : http://imgur.com/gallery/eQ5NM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
There is a serial rapist doing time who was or is a TM'er??? Do tell please. On Wed, 4/16/14, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid. To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2014, 3:16 PM We were promised CC in 5 - 8 years. And then, we were LIED TO REPEATEDLY ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT FOR RESULTS from program after program after course after arjur this and arjur that. Anyone who claimed enlightenment turned out to be jokes. Even poor Rick has a hard time finding someone with plain ordinary charisma let alone obvious spiritual radiance. So many lies, that, what, now, isn't questionable? All the research is pretty much shitty work that can be debunked by a high school kid. And face it, a couple billion spent by true believers, and all we end up with is ZILCH for proofs of almost any sort. But we got a psychopath Girish slurping the money like DRACULA. And we have our movement's trail of scoundrels who bilked anyone with a mantra, or the bastard who drugged and raped his patients, or heck with the drugs, how about the guy who just plain ol' raped 20 of them and is in prison now, or of course there's the guy with the pen in his eye -- he might have had a fleeting last thought about Hey, the technique didn't solve this crazy guy's problems. And on and on and on. And on. And the funny part is that the technique has its virtues and should be studied. In truth, the movement blew it. We had something great, and we turned it into a money machine run by the most ridiculous popinjays. Edg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I am exceedingly certain that the TM-Sidhis ARE real, at least with respect to how they are supposed to affect the state of consciousness of the person who does them. Now, obviously, I can't prove that the floating stage of Yogic Flying is real, nor can I prove that TM + TM-Sidhis is beneficial to anyone, let alone everyone who practices them, but the EEG results of long-term practice of TM + TM-SIdhis look to be obviously different than simply doing TM for the same amount of time. So... if you trust that the EEG changes are in the direction of some state that is of value, then doing TM + TM-sidhis regularly is of value. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : http://imgur.com/gallery/eQ5NM
[FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid.
I am exceedingly certain that the TM-Sidhis ARE real, at least with respect to how they are supposed to affect the state of consciousness of the person who does them. Now, obviously, I can't prove that the floating stage of Yogic Flying is real, nor can I prove that TM + TM-Sidhis is beneficial to anyone, let alone everyone who practices them, but the EEG results of long-term practice of TM + TM-SIdhis look to be obviously different than simply doing TM for the same amount of time. So... if you trust that the EEG changes are in the direction of some state that is of value, then doing TM + TM-sidhis regularly is of value. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : http://imgur.com/gallery/eQ5NM http://imgur.com/gallery/eQ5NM
