Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Turquoise, I am all for exploring outside the box. Though, of course, simple being outside the box, by it self, does not make something useful and valid. Perhaps nine of ten, or 99 out of 100 things outside the box are dross and dead-ends. But finding that one thing can I would hope, make the effort worthwhile. The demarcations of what is inside the box and outside may vary. At large scale, Xeno had some wonderful replies to a set of Dev. posts. recently. One theme being the universality of (at least) many religions and paths towards unfolding that what is inside the inner box is the same as that which is outside (the inner) box. On a more focussed scale, some may be living within a quite small box and venturing outside is indeed may feel to be an escape from Plato's Cave. I realize that like Russian dolls, others may be living inside a larger box, already containing my little box and what to me are astonishing insights are child's play to them. And if not abusing the analogy, we may be living in different boxes pertaining to different spheres of our lives. For example, someone well grounded in physics is living in a far vaster box than me in that domain, though (well for the sake of argument) I may be living in a larger box in at least a few domains within which their box is comparatively smaller. And it appears sometimes, what appears to be a large box is simply filled with hot air, smoke and mirrors. That is, a concise simple view may actually be a huge box -- having cut through all the jungle clutter. Thus, my suggesting that you have viewed the Gita in simple terms is neither a dismissal or compliment of your ideas. Each view needs to stand on its own merits. Some thoughts: 1) Per the story, prior to the battlefield, Krishna was Arjuna's friend. Upon being asked, Krishna became Arjuna's servant, his charioteer -- a lowly position. Only at Arjuna's request, did Krishna take on a role of guidance and counsel. Not until quite late in the Gita did Krisha reveal his universal form -- again at Arjuna's request. That form was so overwhelming, Arjuna begged Krishna to return to his form as friend. Arjuna asked many questions. Having gained insight from Krishna's replies, Arjuna placed more weight on Krishna's value as an advisor. By the end, Arjuna had all his questions answered, felt from his own view, that Krishna was the real deal (for him, Arjuna) and had no qualms about taking the totality of Krishna's advice . 2) From your posts, I know you appreciate the role of metaphors. Many view the battlefield in the Gita as metaphor -- which does not validate -- but perhaps is worthy of consideration. (a quick cut and past from Wiki) Eknath Easwaran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eknath_Easwaran writes that the Gita 's subject is the war within, the struggle for self-mastery that every human being must wage if he or she is to emerge from life victorious,[53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-84 and that The language of battle is often found in the scriptures, for it conveys the strenuous, long, drawn-out campaign we must wage to free ourselves from the tyranny of the ego, the cause of all our suffering and sorrow.[54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-85 Swami Nikhilananda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Nikhilananda, takes Arjuna as an allegory of Ātman, Krishna as an allegory of Brahman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman, Arjuna's chariot as the body, and Dhritarashtra as the ignorance filled mind.[note 7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-86 Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi, in his commentary on the Gita,[55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-87 interprets the battle as an allegory in which the battlefield is the soul and Arjuna, man's higher impulses struggling against evil.[56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-88 Swami Vivekananda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Vivekananda also emphasised that the first discourse in the Gita related to the war could be taken allegorically.[57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-89 Vivekananda further remarked, This Kurukshetra War is only an allegory. When we sum up its esoteric significance, it means the war which is constantly going on within man between the tendencies of good and evil.[58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-SV-vol4-90 In Aurobindo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurobindo's view, Krishna was a historical figure, but his significance in the Gita is as a symbol of the divine dealings with humanity,[59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-91 while Arjuna typifies a struggling human soul.[60] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-THD-92 However, Aurobindo rejected the interpretation that the Gita, and the Mahabharata by extension,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I missing something? I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured my opinion. I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache. Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it describes doesn't remind me of TM at all! SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM. When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of Maharshi's vision of the intended goal. Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the background supposed to represent?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I missing something? I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured my opinion. I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache. Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with the recorded mooing of cows and Ghadarva Veda music. I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic. The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it describes doesn't remind me of TM at all! Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination and honor tell you. SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM. Back before MIU Press moved away from L.A., they were actually discussing pulling it back and editing out all the parts that were proving legally challenging for them. When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of Maharshi's vision of the intended goal. IYou're not suggesting those two things are different, are you? Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the background supposed to represent? #yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888 -- #yiv1414364888ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888ygrp-mkp #yiv1414364888hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888ygrp-mkp #yiv1414364888ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888ygrp-mkp .yiv1414364888ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888ygrp-mkp .yiv1414364888ad p {margin:0;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888ygrp-mkp .yiv1414364888ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888ygrp-sponsor #yiv1414364888ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888ygrp-sponsor #yiv1414364888ygrp-lc #yiv1414364888hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888ygrp-sponsor #yiv1414364888ygrp-lc .yiv1414364888ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv1414364888 #yiv1414364888activity span .yiv1414364888underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1414364888 .yiv1414364888attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv1414364888 .yiv1414364888attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1414364888 .yiv1414364888attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1414364888 .yiv1414364888attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv1414364888 .yiv1414364888attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1414364888 blockquote
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Ooops. Damned computer sent it before I finished my last comment... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I missing something? I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured my opinion. I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache. Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with the recorded mooing of cows and Ghandarva Veda music. I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic. The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it describes doesn't remind me of TM at all! Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM. Back before MIU Press moved away from L.A., they were actually discussing pulling it back and editing out all the parts that were proving legally challenging for them. When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of Maharshi's vision of the intended goal. You're not suggesting those two things are different, are you? Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the background supposed to represent? I'm pretty sure that they are supposed to represent Buck's ideas of what women should be in the Age of Enlightenment -- dressed in saris, subservient, and lost in mindless adoration for Maharishi. The men aren't shown in this video because they're in their own classes, learning how to pilot the drones used to kill anyone who doesn't obey the Laws Of Nature.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. Ha ha! I never thought of it that way, but you are right. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ooops. Damned computer sent it before I finished my last comment... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I missing something? I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured my opinion. I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache. Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with the recorded mooing of cows and Ghandarva Veda music. I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic. The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it describes doesn't remind me of TM at all! Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM. Back before MIU Press moved away from L.A., they were actually discussing pulling it back and editing out all the parts that were proving legally challenging for them. When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of Maharshi's vision of the intended goal. You're not suggesting those two things are different, are you? Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the background supposed to represent? I'm pretty sure that they are supposed to represent Buck's ideas of what women should be in the Age of Enlightenment -- dressed in saris, subservient, and lost in mindless adoration for Maharishi. The men aren't shown in this video because they're in their own classes, learning how to pilot the drones used to kill anyone who doesn't obey the Laws Of Nature. #yiv0758306705 #yiv0758306705 -- #yiv0758306705ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv0758306705 #yiv0758306705ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv0758306705 #yiv0758306705ygrp-mkp #yiv0758306705hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv0758306705 #yiv0758306705ygrp-mkp #yiv0758306705ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv0758306705 #yiv0758306705ygrp-mkp .yiv0758306705ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv0758306705 #yiv0758306705ygrp-mkp .yiv0758306705ad p {margin:0;}#yiv0758306705 #yiv0758306705ygrp-mkp .yiv0758306705ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv0758306705 #yiv0758306705ygrp-sponsor #yiv0758306705ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv0758306705 #yiv0758306705ygrp-sponsor
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. Ha ha! I never thought of it that way, but you are right. I'd love to hear those who diss the Koran while praising the Gita explain to me how the latter is any less of a call for Jihad (holy war) than the former. In both books you've got the spiritual figure (Muhammed in the former, Krishna in the latter) telling the faithful that it's their DUTY to go out and kill thousands of people, *just because he says so*. Not only is this the way that they achieve dharma (holy action, right action), it's the way that they attain liberation in the afterlife. The only real difference I can see is that Muhammed promises the dweebs who do what he tells them to do a bunch of virgins in the afterlife and Krishna promises them moksha. And historically, followers of both books have used them to justify their religious wars. My suggestion is that Maharishi (and most commentators on the B-G) have never seen this aspect of it because they grew up conditioned to do whatever a supposedly religious figure told them to do. Devotion to the spiritual figure is seen as a given, something they can't conceive of as being questionable or having negative consequences. Having accepted this as not only normal but the highest dharma, they can't take that critical step back and see that what the religious figure is telling them to do is go out and kill as many of their fellow human beings (in the Gita's case, their own relatives) as possible, just because he says so. In a very real sense, Krishna in the Gita is the counterpart of Buck at FFL. We should send drones to kill these people I have designated as heretics. And we should do this because I say so. So there. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ooops. Damned computer sent it before I finished my last comment... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I missing something? I remember liking it when I heard Marshy's recital on a rounding course. But I was loved up at the time and the prevailing emotional mood might have coloured my opinion. I didn't get anything out of this video, it makes my teeth ache. Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with the recorded mooing of cows and Ghandarva Veda music. I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic. The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it describes doesn't remind me of TM at all! Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like its dismissal of all psychiatric help
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Will there be any heavy metal in the Age of Enlightenment? What sort of Heaven on Earth would it be without my Judas Priest and Motorhead albums? I'm pretty sure that Judas Priest and Motorhead will have been taken out by Buck-authorized drone strikes, and will have been replaced on the Top Ten with the recorded mooing of cows and Ghandarva Veda music. I have discussed this with TM teachers and opinion divides between: By the time we get there we will be so evolved and refined we won't want to hear it any more. And the much more preferable: Of course, all expression of music are expressions of the Ved and will have their place. But the guy who said that was a jazz musician and hated the AofE music as much as I do. Because cows figure so prominently in the Vedas, I'm pretty sure that in the AofE the very term will be changed to moo-sic. The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. TBG felt to me like he was trying to cram his theories into a story where they don't belong. If you read the verses on their own you get a different idea of what the story is all about. And the technique for gaining enlightenment it describes doesn't remind me of TM at all! Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. SoB,AoL is just scary fundamentalism and probably dangerous with things like its dismissal of all psychiatric help in favour of TM. Back before MIU Press moved away from L.A., they were actually discussing pulling it back and editing out all the parts that were proving legally challenging for them. When I got rid of my TM books down at Oxfam I left it at home in case some one read it and believed it. I think the TMO would be better off rewriting it based on the actual experiences of meditators rather than the hyperbolic madness of Maharshi's vision of the intended goal. You're not suggesting those two things are different, are you? Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the background supposed to represent? I'm pretty sure that they are supposed to represent Buck's ideas of what women should be in the Age of Enlightenment -- dressed in saris, subservient, and lost in mindless adoration for Maharishi. The men aren't shown in this video because they're in their own classes, learning how to pilot the drones used to kill anyone who doesn't obey the Laws Of Nature. #yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128 -- #yiv3429431128ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128ygrp-mkp #yiv3429431128hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128ygrp-mkp #yiv3429431128ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128ygrp-mkp .yiv3429431128ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128ygrp-mkp .yiv3429431128ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128ygrp-mkp .yiv3429431128ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128ygrp-sponsor #yiv3429431128ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128ygrp-sponsor #yiv3429431128ygrp-lc #yiv3429431128hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128ygrp-sponsor #yiv3429431128ygrp-lc .yiv3429431128ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv3429431128 #yiv3429431128activity span .yiv3429431128underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3429431128 .yiv3429431128attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv3429431128 .yiv3429431128attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3429431128 .yiv3429431128attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3429431128 .yiv3429431128attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv3429431128 .yiv3429431128attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3429431128
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ Blimey, TM videos are weird, what are all those people sitting in the background supposed to represent? I'm pretty sure that they are supposed to represent Buck's ideas of what women should be in the Age of Enlightenment -- dressed in saris, subservient, and lost in mindless adoration for Maharishi. It's not men and women in the TMO, it's men and ladies, that deliberately puts quite an expectation on them I suspect. This is the vedic woman concept Marshy was keen to introduce, women with a different, more nurturing role than the men, supporting them as they go about their important business. The men aren't shown in this video because they're in their own classes, learning how to pilot the drones used to kill anyone who doesn't obey the Laws Of Nature. Is there a TM drone patch yet?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
My understanding is that both SOBAL and the Bhagavad Gita Commentary were MMY's recorded words, perhaps tidied up a bit for written form. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Anyone got anything positive to say about this book? I did read it but found it rather dreary. It fails as poetry and it fails as mystical literature. Am I missing something? The fact that MMY's other books (which do have something to recommend them) Science of Being and Art of Living and On the Bhagavad-Gita were mainly penned by his ghost writers is perhaps ominous. But Love and God seems to have been composed by His Holiness himself. Here, Rick Stanley adds some genuine feeling to Maharishi's words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tEPXhfDnQ