Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 All this enthusiasm for dancing is putting me in quite a tizz. I do not dance. 
II once took ballroom dancing lessons for about four months, but I found that 
it took a long time for a message from my brain to reach my feet, by which time 
the music had moved on. It didn't help either that I had a partner who from 
time to time, as I was clumsily maneuvering her around the floor, would say, 
"Feste, I'm bored." Wimmin!
 

 Hee, hee. Feste, even you could dance as well as that wild flash mob in the 
town square there. 
 And, I would have thought your dance partner wouldn't have been bored, she 
would have been too busy avoiding your feet!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

And I was paying for the lessons too! (Yes, I did tread on her feet on one or 
two occasions, I think.)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 All this enthusiasm for dancing is putting me in quite a tizz. I do not dance. 
II once took ballroom dancing lessons for about four months, but I found that 
it took a long time for a message from my brain to reach my feet, by which time 
the music had moved on. It didn't help either that I had a partner who from 
time to time, as I was clumsily maneuvering her around the floor, would say, 
"Feste, I'm bored." Wimmin!
 

 Hee, hee. Feste, even you could dance as well as that wild flash mob in the 
town square there. 
 And, I would have thought your dance partner wouldn't have been bored, she 
would have been too busy avoiding your feet!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

We're all getting old, aren't we!  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administrative of 
old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and dancing of the 
meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...
 
 
 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information
 
 
 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administrative of 
old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and dancing of the 
meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 This also reminds me when I was a student at MIU and I had this boyfriend who 
was with me in the art department. He was too nice a guy for me, in the end, a 
bit too soft spoken and conservative but a lovely person nevertheless. Here I 
was the girl tearing up the carpet at the Student Union dances and he actually 
talked me into attending WALTZING CLASSES in the gym. I went, we waltzed. 
Perhaps that is when I broke up with him - after dance class number 2 or 3. LOL
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
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 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

All this enthusiasm for dancing is putting me in quite a tizz. I do not dance. 
II once took ballroom dancing lessons for about four months, but I found that 
it took a long time for a message from my brain to reach my feet, by which time 
the music had moved on. It didn't help either that I had a partner who from 
time to time, as I was clumsily maneuvering her around the floor, would say, 
"Feste, I'm bored." Wimmin!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Looks like some of the voting maps of Iowa except for 2008 when a lot of 
the state maps would look blue because people were sick of Bush.  I 
visited Fairfield once in the late 1990s. It reminded me of eastern 
Washington.  In the 1980s I lived back home in eastern Washington.  
Nobody made a big deal about politics and many didn't like Reagan.  I 
played more jazz around there than I did in the late 1970s in Seattle.


Of course, I should speak, as I live in one of the bluest regions of the 
country: the San Francisco Bay Area.


On 12/20/2015 08:41 PM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Love the landscape.  But, I know nothing about farming or feed stores. 
:)  I could probably make it work weather-wise.  I would miss the good 
coffee houses.  It might be a little too politically one-sided for me. :)




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

You could probably afford to live in eastern Washington too.  It's 
about the same but would you really want to live there?


On 12/20/2015 05:53 PM, emily.mae50@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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 wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
  wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a
community of under 10,000.

I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot
to explain why things don't work. See also, too much stress in
collective consciousness etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's
been made public.

That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only
about 9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect
here, but is able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect
other places in Iowa. That's one weird-acting ME!

Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town!! Must be
a friendly place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each
other and spend all day hiding. My friends who have lived there
say it's weird being so far from other towns compared to the UK
where you can't walk for an hour without passing through several
villages.

More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals
further below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.


 Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa


Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I
often get from our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is
what experience it is that you are sympathising with me for?


If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because
I get the same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else
does. There wouldn't be much point doing it otherwise. I expect
it's the fact I'm not totally "on message" about the Marshy
Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my post there
isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t
feel the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at
least that came across.


What did you think of the /Deux ex Machina /I highlighted? Ever
come across such a pathetic excuse for why independent research
didn't replicate the results of the claim? "Sorry you couldn't
achieve social harmony in your test of our technology, even
though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention the
one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it
makes no sense that the ME should only work on

big groups does it?


This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they
are also called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but
abandoned it as it would have made the post too long and I
thought I'd c! overed the main points. Those being is that
science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and that
process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to
be consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants
accusations make a mockery of the usual standards by which social
monitoring is carried out - a fact not convincingly explained by
OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their conclusions can be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No barn dances?

 

  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
   
    There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the 
meditating community grew, but it never really happened. Population has 
remained steady at just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same 
people very frequently here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling 
that you are in a community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years 
and never once bump into some people you may know unless you actually make 
arrangements to meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that 
I do not recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain why 
things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness etc. 
Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals furtherbelow. 
Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the same 
wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be much 
point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on message" 
about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my post there 
isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel the need to 
help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came across.
What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work onbig groups does it?
This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also called. 
I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it would have 
made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. Those being 
is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and that 
process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be consistent. 
Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a mockery of the 
usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a fact not 
convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a lab, 
whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, there's a 
set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you aren't fooling 
yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are proposing but 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I have some tech friends who worked at Microsoft who got involved with a 
square dance club when they lived in the Seattle area.  For me that was 
hard to imagine but they seemed to have fun with it.


Being into video production you'll appreciate this but I recall watching 
locally produced square dance shows on 1950s TV where they would do a 
remote usually with one camera and it would be up on a pedestal or stage 
and so the shot down on the dancers would make them seem squat.  That 
made the dances seem really hilarious.  There's got to be some YouTube 
videos of these shows somewhere in all that mess.


On 12/20/2015 06:32 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely 
escape me.


Hoho,go to one! Seriously, they are a bloody riot. It will get you 
laughing uproariously for some mysterious reason. It is impossible to 
imagine this is so unless you actually try it. I am thinking it might 
be just the thing for Empty, whatever it is that ails him.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

No barn dances?







!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

You could probably afford to live in eastern Washington too.  It's about 
the same but would you really want to live there?


On 12/20/2015 05:53 PM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a 
community of under 10,000.


I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to 
explain why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective 
consciousness etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.


That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 
9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but 
is able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places 
in Iowa. That's one weird-acting ME!


Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town!! Must be a 
friendly place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and 
spend all day hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird 
being so far from other towns compared to the UK where you can't walk 
for an hour without passing through several villages.


More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals 
further below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.



 Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa


Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often 
get from our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what 
experience it is that you are sympathising with me for?



If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get 
the same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. 
There wouldn't be much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the 
fact I'm not totally "on message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, 
but as I try to point out in my post there isn't any reason to be 
enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel the need to help them 
with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came across.



What did you think of the /Deux ex Machina /I highlighted? Ever come 
across such a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't 
replicate the results of the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social 
harmony in your test of our technology, even though we told you what 
to do we must have omitted to mention the one illogical thing that 
makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no sense that the ME 
should only work on


big groups does it?


This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are 
also called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but 
abandoned it as it would have made the post too long and I thought I'd 
c! overed the main points. Those being is that science is about 
gathering data to support a hypothesis and that process has to be 
carried out in a particular way, and it has to be consistent. Apart 
from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a mockery of 
the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a fact 
not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that 
their conclusions can be supported.



Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets 
near a lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or 
a war zone, there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to 
make sure that you aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary 
according to what you are proposing but basically follow a similar 
path. Is there a signal to be heard or is it random noise? Am I sure 
the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or one that someone hasn't 
already covered? Is there any data present that contradicts my 
hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea the 
best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just 
kidding myself?



You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream 
passes over like evidence of bicameralism in early human 
self-representation, it would be easy just to look for data that 
confirms that and ignore the rest but what would be the point? I'd be 
the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for contradictory 
information.



When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the 
scientists involved are asking themselves similar control questions 
before they even start becaus! e if they have to invent /Deux ex 
Machina /as howlingly embarrassing and illogical as the one they 
passed on to the poor guy who had actually /gone out of his way to 
try and replicate their claims/, then they aren't doing science 
properly at 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.
 

 You wouldn't like the fact that it doesn't have beaches and ocean. But what it 
does have is community and retro wood framed houses and a town square. It has 
four seasons (barely). Spring never really happens. One minute it's minus 10 
and the next minute it's 70 degrees F.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the meditating 
community grew, but it never really happened. Population has remained steady at 
just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same people very frequently 
here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling that you are in a 
community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years and never once 
bump into some people you may know unless you actually make arrangements to 
meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that I do not 
recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Love the landscape.  But, I know nothing about farming or feed stores. :)  I 
could probably make it work weather-wise.  I would miss the good coffee houses. 
 It might be a little too politically one-sided for me. :)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You could probably afford to live in eastern Washington too.  It's about the 
same but would you really want to live there?
 
 On 12/20/2015 05:53 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 
 
 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 
 
 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town!! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 
 
 More data:  
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.htmlhttp://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
 
 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 
 
 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 
 
 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 
 
 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 
 
 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd c! overed the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 
 
 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 I went to a local square dance in the community hall once. I have no idea why 
a few of my friends and I did that. It was back when I was attending MIU. All I 
remember is I laughed hysterically and had a great time promenading, 
allemanding left and do-si-doing my various plaid-bedecked FF farmer-type 
partners. It was a real hoot.
 

 


 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
 
 
   There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the 
meditating community grew, but it never really happened. Population has 
remained steady at just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same 
people very frequently here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling 
that you are in a community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years 
and never once bump into some people you may know unless you actually make 
arrangements to meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that 
I do not recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 Strange but true. And of that only a portion are meditators:
 
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instantion=1espv=2ie=UTF-8#q=population%20of%20fairfield%20iowa
 
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instantion=1espv=2ie=UTF-8#q=population%20of%20fairfield%20iowa
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 


 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
 
 
   There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the 
meditating community grew, but it never really happened. Population has 
remained steady at just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same 
people very frequently here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling 
that you are in a community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years 
and never once bump into some people you may know unless you actually make 
arrangements to meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that 
I do not recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

 Hoho,go to one! Seriously, they are a bloody riot. It will get you laughing 
uproariously for some mysterious reason. It is impossible to imagine this is so 
unless you actually try it. I am thinking it might be just the thing for Empty, 
whatever it is that ails him.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 


 
 

 











 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only 
about 9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is 
able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. 
That's one weird-acting ME!  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that people round here cheer 
it on when it supports what they want to believe and dismiss it as irrelevant, 
when it doesn't. 
 

 But it gladdens my heart that everyone nowadays sees it as the standard they 
have to reach for intellectual acceptance, every New Age hopeful has to get a 
"quantum" in there somewhere. Trouble is you have to accept the conclusions 
when they don't support your ideas and move on to something else but there's so 
much money in keeping people believing in the dream that the TMO can't afford 
to do any serious research into the ME or yagya's because they probably know by 
now that it isn't working. 
 

 But 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that people round here cheer 
it on when it supports what they want to believe and dismiss it as irrelevant, 
when it doesn't. 
 

 But it gladdens my heart that everyone nowadays sees it as the standard they 
have to reach for intellectual acceptance, every New Age hopeful has to get a 
"quantum" in there somewhere. Trouble is you have to accept the conclusions 
when they don't support your ideas and move on to something else but there's so 
much money in keeping people believing in the dream that the TMO can't afford 
to do any serious research into the ME or yagya's because they probably know by 
now that it isn't working. 
 

 But why would intelligent and well decorated scientists not apply any of the 
usual rigour to their work? It's that there are stronger forces at work in 
people than merely needing to check theories, especially to people who have 
been involved in strong cults. Larry Domash raised the point with Marshy that 
we shouldn't talk about the unified field as we don't know anything about it 
yet - this was before the SU5 

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Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further below. 
Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience. Best Regards from 
Fairfield, Iowa