RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to?
Thanks for finding this Judy. I wouldn't have had the patience. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > About a year or so ago we had a discussion over Obama's > comments during his campaign to become the presidential > nominee of the Democratic Party in which he said that > once he was president that he'd overturn laws he deemed > unconstitutional (a big gaffe because any high school > student can tell you that presidents can't do that; only > the courts can). We've been through this before, Shemp. You haven't got a leg to stand on with this. Here's what he was quoted as saying: "I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws--or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution." "Laws" was obviously a slip of the tongue, which he instantly corrected. He was talking about reviewing executive orders, which *can* be reversed by the president. > Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he > said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. > > Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were > referring to. No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi asked Obama. > Although he doesn't say it as explicity as the gaffe he > made in Denver, It wasn't even a gaffe. > you can sort of interpret it as the same > thing (the discussion starts at about 2:20): No, you can't "sort of interpret it" as saying he himself was going to repeal laws, sorry. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlPzmyX6sOc > > Is this what you were referring to? Here's what Rick said: "That's almost verbatim the answer he gave to me in Fairfield when I asked him about impeaching Bush/ Cheney and repairing the constitutional damage they had done." And here's Rick's original account of what he asked Obama in Fairfield: "When Obama was in FF, I asked him about impeaching Bush and Cheney. He said he felt it would be too disruptive - that Congress wouldn't get anything else accomplished - but he said that if elected, one of his first moves would be to have his attorney general review everything Bush and Cheney had done to erode the Constitution, and that he would reverse those decisions so as to repair the damage."
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > > > > Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he > > > > > said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were > > > > > referring to. > > > > > > > > No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response > > > > to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi > > > > asked Obama. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Stop being so fucking anally retentive, Judy. > > > > > > Reread what I wrote: "at the time you wrote SOMETHING LIKE..." > > > > > > When people are going on memory, as I obviously was, I > > > wasn't QUOTING him; it was a general comment. > > > > > > Take a fucking valium. > > > > Have you been drinking? Because you're talking > > absolute nonsense. What I was commenting on was > > your asking if the Raimondi video was what Rick had > > been talking about. Obviously you'd forgotten > > Then like the sweet little lady I know you can be you should > have written that instead of acting like a shrill witch. What *are* you talking about? That *is* what I wrote, completely straightforwardly, nothing "shrill" about it. Where do you see "shrill" in this? "No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi asked Obama." And then I quoted what Rick had said. What I *do* get "shrill" about is your trying to make a huge deal out of an immediately corrected slip of the tongue and pretending it means Obama doesn't know presidents can't repeal laws all by themselves. That's just nuts. It's perfectly clear he was talking about executive orders. You don't do your own causes, whatever they may be, any good when you make silly claims like this. > > that > > Rick had reported how Obama had answered *his* > > question, or you wouldn't have said you thought > > Rick had been referring to the Raimondi video. > > Didn't have anything to do with "something like." > > > > This is all a crock anyway. You know it, I know it, > > everyone who reads your posts knows it. There's > > more than enough *legitimate* criticisms to be made > > of Obama; there's no need to make them up out of > > whole cloth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he > > > > said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. > > > > > > > > Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were > > > > referring to. > > > > > > No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response > > > to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi > > > asked Obama. > > > > [snip] > > > > Stop being so fucking anally retentive, Judy. > > > > Reread what I wrote: "at the time you wrote SOMETHING LIKE..." > > > > When people are going on memory, as I obviously was, I wasn't QUOTING him; > > it was a general comment. > > > > Take a fucking valium. > > Have you been drinking? Because you're talking > absolute nonsense. What I was commenting on was > your asking if the Raimondi video was what Rick had > been talking about. Obviously you'd forgotten Then like the sweet little lady I know you can be you should have written that instead of acting like a shrill witch. > that > Rick had reported how Obama had answered *his* > question, or you wouldn't have said you thought > Rick had been referring to the Raimondi video. > Didn't have anything to do with "something like." > > This is all a crock anyway. You know it, I know it, > everyone who reads your posts knows it. There's > more than enough *legitimate* criticisms to be made > of Obama; there's no need to make them up out of > whole cloth. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he > > > said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. > > > > > > Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were > > > referring to. > > > > No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response > > to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi > > asked Obama. > > [snip] > > Stop being so fucking anally retentive, Judy. > > Reread what I wrote: "at the time you wrote SOMETHING LIKE..." > > When people are going on memory, as I obviously was, I wasn't QUOTING him; it > was a general comment. > > Take a fucking valium. Have you been drinking? Because you're talking absolute nonsense. What I was commenting on was your asking if the Raimondi video was what Rick had been talking about. Obviously you'd forgotten that Rick had reported how Obama had answered *his* question, or you wouldn't have said you thought Rick had been referring to the Raimondi video. Didn't have anything to do with "something like." This is all a crock anyway. You know it, I know it, everyone who reads your posts knows it. There's more than enough *legitimate* criticisms to be made of Obama; there's no need to make them up out of whole cloth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to?
Shemp, maybe you're able to talk yourself into believing you're making sense, but of course you aren't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > > > > > About a year or so ago we had a discussion over Obama's > > > comments during his campaign to become the presidential > > > nominee of the Democratic Party in which he said that > > > once he was president that he'd overturn laws he deemed > > > unconstitutional (a big gaffe because any high school > > > student can tell you that presidents can't do that; only > > > the courts can). > > > > We've been through this before, Shemp. You haven't got > > a leg to stand on with this. > > > > > Not if you're going to rewrite the English language, Judy. > > > > > Here's what he was quoted as saying: > > > > "I would call my attorney general in and review every > > single executive order issued by George Bush and > > overturn those laws--or executive decisions that I feel > > violate the constitution." > > > > "Laws" was obviously a slip of the tongue, which he > > instantly corrected. He was talking about reviewing > > executive orders, which *can* be reversed by the > > president. > > > > > > "Laws" may very well have been a slip of the tongue, Judy, as we discussed a > hundred times, but saying right after it "or executive decisions" is NOT I > repeat NOT "instantly correcting" it, as you well know. > > "Instantly correcting" it would have been saying something to the effect "I > meant to say 'executive orders' " which he did NOT say. > > The English language is the English language. Give Obama a little respect > for knowing the English language. > > > > > > > Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he > > > said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. > > > > > > Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were > > > referring to. > > > > No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response > > to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi > > asked Obama. > > > > > Although he doesn't say it as explicity as the gaffe he > > > made in Denver, > > > > It wasn't even a gaffe. > > > > > > Huh? > > Just above you said it was a "slip of the tongue". Is not a slip of the > tongue a "gaffe"? > > > > > > you can sort of interpret it as the same > > > thing (the discussion starts at about 2:20): > > > > No, you can't "sort of interpret it" as saying he > > himself was going to repeal laws, sorry. > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlPzmyX6sOc > > > > > > Is this what you were referring to? > > > > Here's what Rick said: > > > > "That's almost verbatim the answer he gave to me in > > Fairfield when I asked him about impeaching Bush/ > > Cheney and repairing the constitutional damage they > > had done." > > > > > > If that's the case, then Obama would have said -- almost verbatim -- that he > would reverse laws or executive decisions. > > Please don't reinterpret the English language, Judy. > > > > > > > > And here's Rick's original account of what he asked > > Obama in Fairfield: > > > > "When Obama was in FF, I asked him about impeaching > > Bush and Cheney. He said he felt it would be too > > disruptive that Congress wouldn't get anything > > else accomplished but he said that if elected, one > > of his first moves would be to have his attorney > > general review everything Bush and Cheney had done > > to erode the Constitution, and that he would reverse > > those decisions so as to repair the damage." > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > > > About a year or so ago we had a discussion over Obama's > > comments during his campaign to become the presidential > > nominee of the Democratic Party in which he said that > > once he was president that he'd overturn laws he deemed > > unconstitutional (a big gaffe because any high school > > student can tell you that presidents can't do that; only > > the courts can). > > We've been through this before, Shemp. You haven't got > a leg to stand on with this. > Not if you're going to rewrite the English language, Judy. > Here's what he was quoted as saying: > > "I would call my attorney general in and review every > single executive order issued by George Bush and > overturn those laws--or executive decisions that I feel > violate the constitution." > > "Laws" was obviously a slip of the tongue, which he > instantly corrected. He was talking about reviewing > executive orders, which *can* be reversed by the > president. > "Laws" may very well have been a slip of the tongue, Judy, as we discussed a hundred times, but saying right after it "or executive decisions" is NOT I repeat NOT "instantly correcting" it, as you well know. "Instantly correcting" it would have been saying something to the effect "I meant to say 'executive orders' " which he did NOT say. The English language is the English language. Give Obama a little respect for knowing the English language. > > Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he > > said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. > > > > Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were > > referring to. > > No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response > to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi > asked Obama. > > > Although he doesn't say it as explicity as the gaffe he > > made in Denver, > > It wasn't even a gaffe. > Huh? Just above you said it was a "slip of the tongue". Is not a slip of the tongue a "gaffe"? > > you can sort of interpret it as the same > > thing (the discussion starts at about 2:20): > > No, you can't "sort of interpret it" as saying he > himself was going to repeal laws, sorry. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlPzmyX6sOc > > > > Is this what you were referring to? > > Here's what Rick said: > > "That's almost verbatim the answer he gave to me in > Fairfield when I asked him about impeaching Bush/ > Cheney and repairing the constitutional damage they > had done." > If that's the case, then Obama would have said -- almost verbatim -- that he would reverse laws or executive decisions. Please don't reinterpret the English language, Judy. > And here's Rick's original account of what he asked > Obama in Fairfield: > > "When Obama was in FF, I asked him about impeaching > Bush and Cheney. He said he felt it would be too > disruptive that Congress wouldn't get anything > else accomplished but he said that if elected, one > of his first moves would be to have his attorney > general review everything Bush and Cheney had done > to erode the Constitution, and that he would reverse > those decisions so as to repair the damage." >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: is this what you were referring to?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > About a year or so ago we had a discussion over Obama's > comments during his campaign to become the presidential > nominee of the Democratic Party in which he said that > once he was president that he'd overturn laws he deemed > unconstitutional (a big gaffe because any high school > student can tell you that presidents can't do that; only > the courts can). We've been through this before, Shemp. You haven't got a leg to stand on with this. Here's what he was quoted as saying: "I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws--or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution." "Laws" was obviously a slip of the tongue, which he instantly corrected. He was talking about reviewing executive orders, which *can* be reversed by the president. > Anyway, at the time you wrote something like: yeah, he > said the same thing when he was in Fairfield. > > Well, I think I've found on youtube what you were > referring to. No, Rick was tellling us what Obama had said in response to a question *he* asked Obama, not that Dennis Raimondi asked Obama. > Although he doesn't say it as explicity as the gaffe he > made in Denver, It wasn't even a gaffe. > you can sort of interpret it as the same > thing (the discussion starts at about 2:20): No, you can't "sort of interpret it" as saying he himself was going to repeal laws, sorry. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlPzmyX6sOc > > Is this what you were referring to? Here's what Rick said: "That's almost verbatim the answer he gave to me in Fairfield when I asked him about impeaching Bush/ Cheney and repairing the constitutional damage they had done." And here's Rick's original account of what he asked Obama in Fairfield: "When Obama was in FF, I asked him about impeaching Bush and Cheney. He said he felt it would be too disruptive that Congress wouldn't get anything else accomplished but he said that if elected, one of his first moves would be to have his attorney general review everything Bush and Cheney had done to erode the Constitution, and that he would reverse those decisions so as to repair the damage."
