[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: The genius of MMY was presenting TM as a secular technique. MMY's Belgium Declaration of March 12, 1974 is key - wide and deep acceptance of TM results from presenting TM in this manner. As an ironic sidenote, he made that declaration when he came to conclude a TTC that Jack Forem and I had been teaching in Belgium (Vincent Snell and Martin Karklins were teaching the Europeans, and John Gray and Clifford McGuire were teaching the younger Americans. While very wary of spiritual practices dependant upon the presence of a charismatic leader, yet drawn to spirituality, I learned TM in Feb.,1974. 1974 was the pinnacle of TMs presentation as a secular technique. The TM movement at that time was devloping credibility by offering an authentic meditation that did not require religious affiliation. I am happy with my TM practice, and have no conflict between TM and my Christian religious practice. So many who could benefit from TM. Hopefully, TM will again be taught as a secular technique, by a separate and secular organization.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip While very wary of spiritual practices dependant upon the presence of a charismatic leader, yet drawn to spirituality, I learned TM in Feb.,1974. 1974 was the pinnacle of TMs presentation as a secular technique. The TM movement at that time was devloping credibility by offering an authentic meditation that did not require religious affiliation. I am happy with my TM practice, and have no conflict between TM and my Christian religious practice. So many who could benefit from TM. Hopefully, TM will again be taught as a secular technique, by a separate and secular organization. I could create some for you if you wish, I mean the Pope, come on! :-) BTW, TM has been taught as a secular science (without ethics) and look at what's happened..it's become science *in lieu of* Religion, (for many) not a good idea at all especially since all the components of TM are not there since it had to be compromised in order to teach it as a science. TM could successfully be called and promoted as a *Religious Science* IMO, and that would be honest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, biosoundbill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Shemp, Wasn't this the way TM was meant to be,at least its the version I signed up to. Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The TM Program Prime Directive: The Belgium Declaration What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and evening. Regarding other things? We have no opinion. We leave a man to do what he wants to do. We just teach Transcendental Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence. What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own level of consciousness. Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about. Simply, innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to do. Just 15 minutes morning and evening. He can practice hundreds of meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15-minutes, 20- minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more because everything will become more meaningful. Just we concern ourselves with this practical aspect of this science. Simple. Very simple, very natural. One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental Meditation. That's all. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 12, 1974, Belgium. The genius of MMY was presenting TM as a secular technique. MMY's Belgium Declaration of March 12, 1974 is key - wide and deep acceptance of TM results from presenting TM in this manner.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The genius of MMY was presenting TM as a secular technique. MMY's Belgium Declaration of March 12, 1974 is key - wide and deep acceptance of TM results from presenting TM in this manner. Indeed, however, it can be taught as a science only because it has been adulterated from it's original and true context. TM has its foundation in the Vedic Sanatana Dharma (eternal *Religion* of the Vedas), as such, in its purest form it is a Religion. TM does not exist in a vacuum as much as folks would like to think of it that way, now you see (with all of MMY's add-ons) what the true intent was and is. Additionally, in order to teach TM as a secular science MMY had to extract two of Patanjali's limbs of yoga, namely Yama and Niyama. TM, as taught, is only 6/8th of a teaching (call it half a loaf) and hence it's effectiveness is somewhat compromised (unless you use your common sense and pick up the first two limbs on your own).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: The genius of MMY was presenting TM as a secular technique. MMY's Belgium Declaration of March 12, 1974 is key - wide and deep acceptance of TM results from presenting TM in this manner. Indeed, however, it can be taught as a science only because it has been adulterated from it's original and true context. TM has its foundation in the Vedic Sanatana Dharma (eternal *Religion* of the Vedas), as such, in its purest form it is a Religion. TM does not exist in a vacuum as much as folks would like to think of it that way, now you see (with all of MMY's add-ons) what the true intent was and is. Additionally, in order to teach TM as a secular science MMY had to extract two of Patanjali's limbs of yoga, namely Yama and Niyama. TM, as taught, is only 6/8th of a teaching (call it half a loaf) and hence it's effectiveness is somewhat compromised (unless you use your common sense and pick up the first two limbs on your own). It's still better to have half a loaf if you're starving. But, for the benefit of a determinedly secular chap who doesn't want to miss any limbs, what are Yama and Niyama?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillyG. Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The genius of MMY was presenting TM as a secular technique. MMY's Belgium Declaration of March 12, 1974 is key - wide and deep acceptance of TM results from presenting TM in this manner. As an ironic sidenote, he made that “declaration” when he came to conclude a TTC that Jack Forem and I had been teaching in Belgium (Vincent Snell and Martin Karklins were teaching the Europeans, and John Gray and Clifford McGuire were teaching the younger Americans). No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 1:58 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's still better to have half a loaf if you're starving. I agree, of course, MMY has changed my life, you kiddin' :-) But, for the benefit of a determinedly secular chap who doesn't want to miss any limbs, what are Yama and Niyama? Yama and Niyama are the prescriptions and proscriptions of Yoga as taught by Maharishi Patanjali. Yama: Truthfulness, non-violence (ahimsa), Non-covetousness, Celibacy (brahmacharya), Non-acceptance of others' possessions. NiYama: Purification, Contentment, Austerity, Study, and Devotion. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi chose only to teach the last 6 limbs of Yoga (in order to teach it as a science, IMO) which are: Asana (good posture for meditating), Pranayama (breath *control*), Pratyahara, Dharana (translated as concentration, MMY calls it making an *effortless effort*), Dhyana (actual meditation or transcendental awareness), and Samadhi (the means AND the end). Each limb is designed to create the state of Yoga in the sphere of life to which it relates. MMY With the continuous practice of ALL of these limbs, or *means*, simultaneously, the state of Yoga grows simultaneously in ALL the eight spheres of life... MMY MMY Gita under Yoga/appendix.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: It's still better to have half a loaf if you're starving. I agree, of course, MMY has changed my life, you kiddin' :-) But, for the benefit of a determinedly secular chap who doesn't want to miss any limbs, what are Yama and Niyama? Yama and Niyama are the prescriptions and proscriptions of Yoga as taught by Maharishi Patanjali. Yama: Truthfulness, non-violence (ahimsa), Non-covetousness, Celibacy (brahmacharya), Non-acceptance of others' possessions. NiYama: Purification, Contentment, Austerity, Study, and Devotion. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi chose only to teach the last 6 limbs of Yoga (in order to teach it as a science, IMO) which are: Asana (good posture for meditating), Pranayama (breath *control*), Pratyahara, Dharana (translated as concentration, MMY calls it making an *effortless effort*), Dhyana (actual meditation or transcendental awareness), and Samadhi (the means AND the end). Each limb is designed to create the state of Yoga in the sphere of life to which it relates. MMY With the continuous practice of ALL of these limbs, or *means*, simultaneously, the state of Yoga grows simultaneously in ALL the eight spheres of life... MMY MMY Gita under Yoga/appendix. Thank you BG, I'm better informed and apparently doing quite a lot of those two limbs already, but I guess you have to be doing it all for it to count ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you BG, I'm better informed and apparently doing quite a lot of those two limbs already, but I guess you have to be doing it all for it to count ;-) I think you make an effort to do the best you can everyday, and who knows how far you may go, with the power of meditation combined with the now dynamic will, success is much more likely than sitting back and waiting for things to happen..God helps those who help themselves. And that's the whole point, a virtuous life provides a solid foundation for spirituality, does it not? Those limbs (aka means) are there for a reason! You know the arrow must be pulled all the way back on the bow for it to gain power (MMY analogy), but it must *also* be aimed! The yamas and the Niyamas give us direction in life and TM gives us the power to bring those aims to fruition, good luck! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
Hi Shemp, Wasn't this the way TM was meant to be,at least its the version I signed up to. Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TM Program Prime Directive: The Belgium Declaration What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and evening. Regarding other things? We have no opinion. We leave a man to do what he wants to do. We just teach Transcendental Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence. What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own level of consciousness. Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about. Simply, innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to do. Just 15 minutes morning and evening. He can practice hundreds of meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15-minutes, 20- minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more because everything will become more meaningful. Just we concern ourselves with this practical aspect of this science. Simple. Very simple, very natural. One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental Meditation. That's all. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 12, 1974, Belgium.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, biosoundbill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Shemp, Wasn't this the way TM was meant to be,at least its the version I signed up to. Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The TM Program Prime Directive: The Belgium Declaration What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and evening. Regarding other things? We have no opinion. We leave a man to do what he wants to do. We just teach Transcendental Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence. What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own level of consciousness. Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about. Simply, innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to do. Just 15 minutes morning and evening. He can practice hundreds of meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15-minutes, 20- minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more because everything will become more meaningful. Just we concern ourselves with this practical aspect of this science. Simple. Very simple, very natural. One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental Meditation. That's all. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 12, 1974, Belgium. WOW, priceless nostalgia! I guess MMY did take a left turn at some point, as someone put it here on this NG, (according to Charlie Lutes). So what happened, too much curry? :-) Strategies change, just like in war!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, biosoundbill smithybill@ wrote: Hi Shemp, Wasn't this the way TM was meant to be,at least its the version I signed up to. Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: The TM Program Prime Directive: The Belgium Declaration What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and evening. Regarding other things? We have no opinion. We leave a man to do what he wants to do. We just teach Transcendental Meditation, give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence. What he should do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own level of consciousness. Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor diets, nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about. Simply, innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding understanding and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with his culture, with his way of life, with everything that he wants to do. Just 15 minutes morning and evening. He can practice hundreds of meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15- minutes, 20- minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy everything that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or whatever. Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more because everything will become more meaningful. Just we concern ourselves with this practical aspect of this science. Simple. Very simple, very natural. One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental Meditation. That's all. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 12, 1974, Belgium. WOW, priceless nostalgia! I guess MMY did take a left turn at some point, as someone put it here on this NG, (according to Charlie Lutes). So what happened, too much curry? :-) Strategies change, just like in war!! The Movement belongs to those that moves.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Movement belongs to those that move. Unless, of course that movement is away from the National/International movementhey, can you dig that group in Utah, still teaching under the name SRM, (last I heard) boy I bet the movement would love to get rid of those heathens!!
