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That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
The issue is NOT who your chosen expert is. It's that your knee-jerk reaction is to trot one out, and shoot the messenger the way you were taught to. And the even bigger issue is that you're so brainwashed you don't know you're doing it. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . .He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So,I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 pagewith a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book iswhen the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY andJerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking theirphoto. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay
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even after I had left the Movement, quit TM for years and knew that Marshy was a liar and financial manipulator, I still believed Marshy was life long celibate. Rick cured me of that. It is one of the last illusions to be vaporized by former TM junkies. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . .He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So,I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 pagewith a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book iswhen the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY andJerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking theirphoto. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup
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if you say so, it must be true. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : The issue is NOT who your chosen expert is. It's that your knee-jerk reaction is to trot one out, and shoot the messenger the way you were taught to. And the even bigger issue is that you're so brainwashed you don't know you're doing it. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys
[FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology...
It's difficult to imagine how she would have been able to sneak past Jemima Pittman guarding the front door, Nandakishore in the next hut, and a skin-boy sleeping in the living room. It's also difficult to imagine her sleeping in MMY's arms - on a tiger-skin on the floor under a framed picture of SBS. That I would think, would have really mad Jemima JELLOS! It would be so uncharacteristic of MMY that it takes a real stretch of the imagination to think he would try to pull that kind of affair off in front of all those swamis and yogis up there in Rishikesh. It's just an outrageous and far-fetched kind of fantasy. It may be that she did climb in through the bathroom window, tomadssage MMY's feet and fell asleep, but apparently MMY's room didn't have a bathroom. But, how would she have ran across the ashram grounds with those ankle-bells ringing, and nobody even saw or heard a thing? According to what I've read in Nancy's book, you could have heard a pin drop in the middle of the night. It's probably all about the foot-play and the positioning and the posturing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those claims. That is not just Scientology policy -- right out of their dogma, as written by LRon -- it's even legally
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This doesn't explain why you went over to work for Rama, to recruit students for him, when everyone knows that Rama used to screw around with his female students all the time. You probably lied about this for years too. Go figure. Even now you can't admit the truth. I tried to take up for you when Judy called you a liar, but then you started bragging about that levitation BS, so I concluded that she was right - you make stuff up. It's not complicated. You lied for MMY and Rama for decades, so who would believe anything you say now? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those claims. That is not just Scientology policy -- right out of their dogma, as written by LRon -- it's even legally sound because by not lying about the claims, they don't run the risk of being found guilty of perjury in addition to being found guilty
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It's not surprising that you are so screwed up in the head after going through what you've been through, even though it's been what, 34 years now? Sometimes it takes decades to get out of the trance-induction state and sort out the cognitive dissonance. Some recovering cult members have actually gone bat-shit crazy - calling in the cops on their friends and posting lewd material on the internet in retaliation for losing a religious debate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : even after I had left the Movement, Non sequitur. Maybe you got kicked off the cult compound. The question is, why? Maybe because you sucked as a baker, or maybe it was because you couldn't keep your big pie-hoe shut about other staff, students or administrators private sex lives. Just be honest with yourself. You were supposed to be celibate but maybe you just couldn't get over not having a sex life of your own. That often happens in cults where the single cult members are supposed to be doing spiritual work and their normal sex drives are suppressed. According to what I've read, in order to help you deal with this issue, the cult leaders often force members to you work long hours in a kitchen and inflicted sleep deprivation on you, making you sleep alone inside a pod. I cna't be;ieve you let them boss you around and make you get down on your hands and knees and pray to the demi-gods. Gawd! You were probably forced to watch endless hours of cultnpropaganda videos, instead of watching broadcast TV, right? quit TM for years and knew that Marshy was a liar and financial manipulator, I still believed Marshy was life long celibate. Non sequitur. What were you doing in the Maharishi's bedroom? LoL! Rick cured me of that. It is one of the last illusions to be vaporized by former TM junkies. Non sequitur. Have you ever considered visiting a real cult-exit counselor? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... That's possible too. My chosen expert is a former TMer who explicitly says he has no use for TM nor MMY any more and quit TM specifically because TM didn't work as advertised (no enlightenment in the given timeframe). But, as you say, he has a specific view about MMY in this context that is in-line with my own. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe
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You seem to be fascinated, almost addicted, to news about various cults. Go figure. This is probably the result of being forced into a cult yourself - put into a trance-induction state and then brain-washed for years to the point of losing touch with reality. It can be traumatic when you get kicked out of the cult. This can often be the cause of cognitive-dissonance and confusion later, unless you visit a cult-exit counselor. Case in point. Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Sometimes the cult beliefs stay with the victim for the rest of their life and they never give up the notion of soul-travel and such mixed up with science. Sometimes victims become obsessed with cults, personalities, and cult doings. So, how long were you living in a cult compound? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sal...@yahoogroups.com wrote : But he hasn't seen Going Clear... John Travolta breaks silence on Scientology doc Going Clear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html John Travolta breaks silence on Scientology doc Going Cl... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html Travolta spoke out about the Scientology-bashing HBO documentary on Monday as he promoted his upcoming film The Forger. View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html Preview by Yahoo
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The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those claims. That is not just Scientology policy -- right out of their dogma, as written by LRon -- it's even legally sound because by not lying about the claims, they don't run the risk of being found guilty of perjury in addition to being found guilty of the crimes in the claims themselves. This is all Cult 101, guys. Do your homework... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Travolta defends Scientology... But he hasn't seen Going Clear... John Travolta breaks silence on Scientology doc Going Clear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html John Travolta breaks silence on Scientology doc Going Cl... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html Travolta spoke out about the Scientology-bashing HBO documentary on Monday as he promoted his upcoming film The Forger. View on www.dailymail.co.uk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html Preview by Yahoo :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that
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I don't know if your analogy applies are not. Married couples often spend more of their daily lives apart than together. My reading of Campbell's point was that there was no significant amount of time that he was aware of of where Maharishi was alone with just one person. Everyone was clamoring for a piece of him, and he scheduled his time in blocks set aside for groups, rather than individual audiences, or such is my interpretation of what Campbell said. And I'm not sure why he would have changed his mind unless there are details in the book that provide an explanation for how he and others would have missed the periods of alone-time that he hadn't thought of when he made his original remarks. I believe it was MJ who said in this forum that Jerry Jarvis' only recollection of her is when she stood up in a group and described the dream she had had that she and Maharishi had gotten married and had kids. In the interview I saw with her, she describes the dream that she had a few years after Maharishi died where Maharishi begged her to set the record straight about their secret love affair. While I can't be certain, an laternate explanation for the whole thing is it is a bit of wishful fan fiction that she convinced herself over the past 40+ years really happened, and she has become certain that, just as she is certain that the Maharishi who to her in a dream was the real Maharishi telling her what to do, she is now certain that the Maharishi who appeared to her in a dream and talked about getting married was also the real Maharishi. Or it really did happen 40 years ago the way she says it did and Jerry Jarvis was wrong. Does she mention her dreams of Maharishi and her from 40 years ago in the book? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : [Anthony Campbell] doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret: Didn't Anthony Campbell write that many moons ago? I wonder if he still believes it? Even if Campbell does still believe it, we know that there are many people who have been blissfully unaware that their very own married partners were carrying on affairs for years. (And I always wonder about that. I mean, isn't there a giveaway smell? A decline in sexual interest? A shifty avoidance of eye contact?) I don't and can't know if Judith Bourque is telling it like it was. I wasn't there. I'm just pointing out that Richard's claim there are no descriptions of sex acts is belied by the words I see on the page. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a
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So -- yet again -- the reaction an admitted True Believer has to someone describing something about Maharishi that he doesn't like is She's LYING. Lawson couches it in weasel language (My chosen expert says it couldn't have been true so it couldn't have been true), but the message is still She's LYING. Shoot the messenger. Tell us, Lawson...what is the difference between what you just did and what Scientologists are doing to the people who say things in Going Clear that they don't like hearing said? BTW, the answer to your cult apology is that people DID know what was going on, but just like the Scientologists in the documentary, they LIED about it because they were expected to. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 4:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Travolta defends Scientology... ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . .He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So,I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 pagewith a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book iswhen the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY andJerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking theirphoto. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those claims. That is not just Scientology policy -- right out of their dogma, as written by LRon -- it's even legally sound because by not lying about the claims, they don't run the risk of being found guilty of perjury in addition to being found guilty of the crimes in the claims themselves. This is all Cult 101, guys. Do your homework... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
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...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those claims. That is not just Scientology policy -- right out of their dogma, as written by LRon -- it's even legally sound because by not lying about the claims, they don't run the risk of being found guilty of perjury in addition to being found guilty of the crimes in the claims themselves. This is all Cult 101, guys. Do your homework... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Travolta defends Scientology... But he hasn't seen Going Clear... John Travolta breaks silence on Scientology doc Going Clear http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html John Travolta breaks silence on Scientology doc Going Cl... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3028330/The-church-brilliant-John-Travolta-breaks-silence-Scientology-expos-Going-Clear-refuses-watch-documentary.html Travolta spoke out about the Scientology-bashing HBO documentary on Monday as he
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[Anthony Campbell] doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret: Didn't Anthony Campbell write that many moons ago? I wonder if he still believes it? Even if Campbell does still believe it, we know that there are many people who have been blissfully unaware that their very own married partners were carrying on affairs for years. (And I always wonder about that. I mean, isn't there a giveaway smell? A decline in sexual interest? A shifty avoidance of eye contact?) I don't and can't know if Judith Bourque is telling it like it was. I wasn't there. I'm just pointing out that Richard's claim there are no descriptions of sex acts is belied by the words I see on the page. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : ...as I snuck back to my room. As Anthony Campbell, author of Seven States of Consciousenss, points out, he doesn't see how MMY could have carried on any kind of sexual affair during the time-in-question without many people being in on the secret, including himself. And Anthony Campbell doesn't practice TM any more and hasn't in decades, from what he says, so he's speaking as a relatively disinterested observer who simply happened to be in the physical location where the alleged affair took place and was one of the myriad people who was working with Maharishi almost around the clock in groups of many, during that period. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : The first time for Maharishi and me as a man and woman is still a very private moment . . . He struck me as not being a very experienced lover . . . he just hugged me and kissed me with great enthusiasm and I felt his desire. The first time we both kept our clothes on and engaged in a lot of petting of the type teenagers do in high school. I remember wondering how far this was going to go. In the wee hours of the morning we finally joined as man and woman, and I felt both shocked and happy as I snuck back to my room. I felt so loved. Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay pp 79-80 It's not Fifty Shades of Grey but the sense is clear. There are other, similar passages in the book. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : Note to readers: in this silk robe there are NO descriptions of any sex acts between the author and the Maharishi - it's all about feet positioning and wearing silk robes and saris. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : How many TB TMers have actually read 'Robes Of Silk, Feet Of Clay?' Show of hands. See? Almost no one. So, I sent a check for $18. and all I got was a paperback of 221 page with a few lousy, grainy photos of the author with MMY, Jemima Pittman and Jerry Jarvis. Apparently the author was supposed to be the head clerk of the TMO. The funniest part of the book is when the author wore a mini skirt one day and walked up to MMY and Jerry, who were sitting on the ground, and she insisted on taking their photo. So, the next day MMY bought her a silk robe to wear. LoL! There's no tantra in this book - it's all just posing. :-), but it's really true. People who are True Believers always *know* subconsciously that they ARE True Believers, and avoid looking at anything that they intuitively know will shatter the illusions they believe in and force them to admit that they were w...w...w...wrong. Plus, don't forget that several TMers over the years have reported that the official policy about Fairfield Life they told by TMO representatives is that they shouldn't be looking at something like that because it's negative and would lower their state of consciousness. That's what a Scientologist would be told about reading or watching anything critical of the Co$. Now in this case, given the number of times Travolta has been accused of groping guys he hired to give him a massage, I think we can assume that he is in on the whole coverup, and is a *wlling* blackmail victim because the Church coverup enables him to stay in the closet. *His* fame and livelihood depend on the Co$ keeping his secrets, too. So effectively by saying he's never seen the documentary, he avoids ever having to lie on the record about its claims. This is essentially the same thing that the Co$ is doing on a larger scale -- they have scrupulously avoided dealing with ANY of the claims made in the documentary, focusing all their efforts on demonizing the people who made those claims. That is not just Scientology policy -- right out of their dogma, as written by LRon -- it's even legally sound because by not lying about the claims, they don't run the risk of being found guilty of perjury in addition to being found guilty of the crimes in the claims themselves. This is all Cult 101, guys. Do your homework... From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To:
