[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to unfold 100% of mental potential? I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Really? Define saint And well-known for that matter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. Saint Francis. Jesus. And Buddha rejected the teachings of all his teachers... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to unfold 100% of mental potential? Nope. YOu need what BIll offers... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. Saint Francis. Jesus. And Buddha rejected the teachings of all his teachers... I think you'd have to research all of their previous lives. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. Saint Francis. Jesus. And Buddha rejected the teachings of all his teachers... I think you'd have to research all of their previous lives. Didn't Jesus have John the Baptist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK! on 9/11/06 2:58 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didnt. and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?. Im a lot more sure about it than I am that MMY is one. Whoaand what is your *criterion* for such an analysis? Dictionary definition: In general, the term Saint refers to someone who is exceptionally virtuous and holy. It can be applied to both the living and the dead and is an acceptable term in most of the world's popular religions. The Saint is held up by the community as an example of how we all should act, and his or her life story is usually recorded for the edification of future generations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint Subjective 'hunch', OK, that's good enough. Of course we live and die with the decisions we make, I personally don't know. The real question is however whether or not one needs a personal Guru for final illumination... I agree with you that its usually very helpful. But I was citing exceptions. Another is Ananda Moi Ma. And even among ordinary people here in FF, many are waking up without having seen a guru in decades. Unless you count their awakened friends as gurus. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to unfold 100% of mental potential? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to unfold 100% of mental potential? I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to unfold 100% of mental potential? I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? I don't know. But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK! on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didnt. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't know. But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... Agreed! In my view it may be MMY himself that becomes your *personal* guru in a coming life! I still think TM is a great technique and intend to stick with it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. ...and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?...also the exception doesn't disprove the rule. (If there is one). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to unfold 100% of mental potential? I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? I don't know. But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... A very interesting conundrum, Shemp. It is good you have pointed this out. I think that although TM is a very basic calming technique, a somewhat refined but common manasika-japa, it could be enough if, IF, the teaching that went with it were actually directed at freeiing the individual from the guru. But Mahesh's teaching increasingly leads to further and further dependence upon the guru/Mahesh. You have to buy more and more. The guru's teaching, Maheshism, is based on greed, *the mind goes in the direction of more and more*. Greed will not free anyone from anything, it will only increase dependence on the guru or whoever/whatever is supplying more! There's an interesting pointing out instruction in one of Ken Wilber's books. I have forgotten which one, but if I can find it, I'll post it. Quite simply KW shows how you can be completely self sufficient (look how Mahesh made a buck on that one and the 108's) and not need the guru. It isn't as easy as depending on Mahesh to give you what he thinks you need (which is another way of saying as easy for Mahesh to take what he wants from you). But with KW's pointing out instructions you can confidently go from tescher to teacher learning more and more and not get hooked on giving more and more and having little or nothing for yourself but the paranoia that you might not get anything if you don't try to buy it all. Thanks Shemp. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! I have a personal guru and it is great to be able to have questions answered plus a whole advanced path of techniques leading to the archarya level. However I tested this guru and he tested me before proceding to initiation. A personal guru may not be for everybody though we do teach yogic meditation for the masses (that is what TM is too) as many will not have the time for the advanced techniques and procedures. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have a personal guru and it is great to be able to have questions answered plus a whole advanced path of techniques leading to the archarya level. However I tested this guru and he tested me before proceding to initiation. A personal guru may not be for everybody though we do teach yogic meditation for the masses (that is what TM is too) as many will not have the time for the advanced techniques and procedures. Indeed, there is such a concept as the *probationer* or, one who is on the path pending further review and is not fully accepted until certain *standards* are met To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK! on 9/11/06 2:18 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didnt. and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?. Im a lot more sure about it than I am that MMY is one. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Quit a little conundrum... A very interesting conundrum, Shemp. It is good you have pointed this out. I think that although TM is a very basic calming technique, a somewhat refined but common manasika-japa, it could be enough if, IF, the teaching that went with it were actually directed at freeiing the individual from the guru. But Mahesh's teaching increasingly leads to further and further dependence upon the guru/Mahesh. You have to buy more and more. The guru's teaching, Maheshism, is based on greed, *the mind goes in the direction of more and more*. Greed will not free anyone from anything, it will only increase dependence on the guru or whoever/whatever is supplying more! There's an interesting pointing out instruction in one of Ken Wilber's books. I have forgotten which one, but if I can find it, I'll post it. Quite simply KW shows how you can be completely self sufficient (look how Mahesh made a buck on that one and the 108's) and not need the guru. It isn't as easy as depending on Mahesh to give you what he thinks you need (which is another way of saying as easy for Mahesh to take what he wants from you). But with KW's pointing out instructions you can confidently go from tescher to teacher learning more and more and not get hooked on giving more and more and having little or nothing for yourself but the paranoia that you might not get anything if you don't try to buy it all. Thanks Shemp. Dear Gerbals-Fi! *World Peace* is only a matter of *MONEY*, World Peace that is! MMY couldn't care less about mere Gold, he's a smile millionaire! IMO. Love him or hate him his motivations are pure! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to unfold 100% of mental potential? I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? I don't know. But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... A very interesting conundrum, Shemp. It is good you have pointed this out. I think that although TM is a very basic calming technique, a somewhat refined but common manasika-japa, it could be enough if, IF, the teaching that went with it were actually directed at freeiing the individual from the guru. But Mahesh's teaching increasingly leads to further and further dependence upon the guru/Mahesh. You have to buy more and more. The guru's teaching, Maheshism, is based on greed, *the mind goes in the direction of more and more*. Greed will not free anyone from anything, it will only increase dependence on the guru or whoever/whatever is supplying more! There's an interesting pointing out instruction in one of Ken Wilber's books. I have forgotten which one, but if I can find it, I'll post it. Quite simply KW shows how you can be completely self sufficient (look how Mahesh made a buck on that one and the 108's) and not need the guru. It isn't as easy as depending on Mahesh to give you what he thinks you need (which is another way of saying as easy for Mahesh to take what he wants from you). But with KW's pointing out instructions you can confidently go from tescher to teacher learning more and more and not get hooked on giving more and more and having little or nothing for yourself but the paranoia that you might not get anything if you don't try to buy it all. Thanks Shemp. I may be pollyanna-ish about this but I truly am convinced that TM is all that is needed...AND I believe it's the fastest most effective way to enlightenment. And let me reiterate: I am referring to that first technique we all got for $35.00 back in '73 when we had long hair and bell bottoms. Me -- a snot-nosed 18-year-old into every vice available to his immature materialistic-infested life -- shelled out 35 Canadian bucks and the cost of 6 flowers, two fruit, and a goddamn hanky and a month later I experienced pure consciousness...something that millions of yogis and assorted saddhu types spend lifetimes and paperweights dangling from their penises trying to achieve. And I got it without any effort and the price of, at the time, about 5 medium pepperoni pizzas. All the rest of the current TMO offerings is fluff and money- making...stuff that's probably necessary if you're running a multi- national operation but has nothing to do with transcending OR the TM Program. And MMY can, ethically, always fall back on the disclaimer he gave us all in the first 5 minutes of the first step of the 7-step program to learning TM: it's not a religion or a philosophy...it's a do-it-yourself program that doesn't require belief or any other additions. Anyone that deviates from that A-in-AGNI-like first utterance of official declaration by the TMO can't blame anyone when they discover they've wasted thousands of dollars and thousands of hours rubbing sesame oil on their bald heads and getting
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... On further review of your post, I amend my response slightly, to take issue with the Guru is NOT *spitting in his face*, to take another Guru may be. I don't recall MMY saying you *don't* need a Guru. Also, MMY is NOT a personal Guru, he is a World Teacher or Master, NOT a personal Guru! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 2:18 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?. I¹m a lot more sure about it than I am that MMY is one. Whoaand what is your *criterion* for such an analysis? Subjective 'hunch', OK, that's good enough. Of course we live and die with the decisions we make, I personally don't know. The real question is however whether or not one needs a personal Guru for final illumination... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I may be pollyanna-ish about this but I truly am convinced that TM is all that is needed...AND I believe it's the fastest most effective way to enlightenment. And let me reiterate: I am referring to that first technique we all got for $35.00 back in '73 when we had long hair and bell bottoms. Me -- a snot-nosed 18-year-old into every vice available to his immature materialistic-infested life -- shelled out 35 Canadian bucks and the cost of 6 flowers, two fruit, and a goddamn hanky and a month later I experienced pure consciousness...something that millions of yogis and assorted saddhu types spend lifetimes and paperweights dangling from their penises trying to achieve. And I got it without any effort and the price of, at the time, about 5 medium pepperoni pizzas. All the rest of the current TMO offerings is fluff and money- making...stuff that's probably necessary if you're running a multi- national operation but has nothing to do with transcending OR the TM Program. And MMY can, ethically, always fall back on the disclaimer he gave us all in the first 5 minutes of the first step of the 7-step program to learning TM: it's not a religion or a philosophy...it's a do-it-yourself program that doesn't require belief or any other additions. Anyone that deviates from that A-in-AGNI-like first utterance of official declaration by the TMO can't blame anyone when they discover they've wasted thousands of dollars and thousands of hours rubbing sesame oil on their bald heads and getting Jyotish advice from some dhoti-wearing, amoeba-dysenteric Dravidian who Maharishi hired off the streets of some God-forsaken Indian ghetto. Suckers! I told you in the first five minutes that you didn't need any of that other shit! Did you think I was lying? Nice to see you get it off your chest.I'm not so sure! :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 2:18 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?. I¹m a lot more sure about it than I am that MMY is one. ...which I find fascinating because the perception/intuitive faculties you have in making that observation were developed directly as a result of you having practised MMY's TM program for the past 35 years. Pretty friggin' impressive: even a sick man can open up a health food store...and maybe MMY is the sick man who sold you the health food that enabled you to perceive these wonderful people as Saints. And you paid what for this ability...$35.00? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... On further review of your post, I amend my response slightly, to take issue with the Guru is NOT *spitting in his face*, to take another Guru may be. I don't recall MMY saying you *don't* need a Guru. Also, MMY is NOT a personal Guru, he is a World Teacher or Master, NOT a personal Guru! He implicitly said it when he told you that with the TM Program you would unfold 100% of your mental potential. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
He implicitly said it when he told you that with the TM Program you would unfold 100% of your mental potential. He said a lot more than just this, especially to his full time people. He designed whole programs centered on service to him. He may have been lacking on the Guru side, but he was crystal clear on the service side for us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... On further review of your post, I amend my response slightly, to take issue with the Guru is NOT *spitting in his face*, to take another Guru may be. I don't recall MMY saying you *don't* need a Guru. Also, MMY is NOT a personal Guru, he is a World Teacher or Master, NOT a personal Guru! He implicitly said it when he told you that with the TM Program you would unfold 100% of your mental potential. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 2:18 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/11/06 1:32 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? Amma and Ramana Maharshi didn¹t. and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?. I¹m a lot more sure about it than I am that MMY is one. Even Amma has said that MMY is a great meditation teacher and that the TM is a very effective technique. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: parsnip He implicitly said it when he told you that with the TM Program you would unfold 100% of your mental potential. You may be right but surely ONLY time will tell. I'm still betting on this horse (TM) coming in..:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: To understand this is to understand and love MMY. Many have come to Yoga because MMY has simplified the esoteric teaching of India to comform to modern standards and receiptivity; though, in the end a personal *guru* may be necessary to achieve final illumination. MMY is NOT a personal guru! Did you think MMY was going to spill all the beans for every Tom, Dick and Harry? NO, he still has not released all of the knowledge that is available, however, this knowledge will only be given to those who apply themselves and *merit* it, and that is where a personal guru comes in. Keep on meditating...it's a good technique but there is much yet to be revealed! IMHO! Bill: so you don't feel that all you need is the TM technique to unfold 100% of mental potential? I'm not sure Shemp, sometimes I feel a personal Guru might be necessary and sometimes not! Why is it though, Shemp, all well known Saintshad Gurus? I don't know. But MMY says that all that is needed is TM. That's why I see a dilemma for True Believers in this area: if they feel they need to do MORE than TM and take MMY as their personal guru, then they are implicitly admitting that TM by itself is not enough. But if they do that, then they are spitting in the very face of the very guru they have taken on because that guru has told them that they do NOT need a guru to get full enlightenment. Quit a little conundrum... A very interesting conundrum, Shemp. It is good you have pointed this out. I think that although TM is a very basic calming technique, a somewhat refined but common manasika-japa, it could be enough if, IF, the teaching that went with it were actually directed at freeiing the individual from the guru. But Mahesh's teaching increasingly leads to further and further dependence upon the guru/Mahesh. You have to buy more and more. The guru's teaching, Maheshism, is based on greed, *the mind goes in the direction of more and more*. Greed will not free anyone from anything, it will only increase dependence on the guru or whoever/whatever is supplying more! There's an interesting pointing out instruction in one of Ken Wilber's books. I have forgotten which one, but if I can find it, I'll post it. Quite simply KW shows how you can be completely self sufficient (look how Mahesh made a buck on that one and the 108's) and not need the guru. It isn't as easy as depending on Mahesh to give you what he thinks you need (which is another way of saying as easy for Mahesh to take what he wants from you). But with KW's pointing out instructions you can confidently go from tescher to teacher learning more and more and not get hooked on giving more and more and having little or nothing for yourself but the paranoia that you might not get anything if you don't try to buy it all. Thanks Shemp. I may be pollyanna-ish about this but I truly am convinced that TM is all that is needed...AND I believe it's the fastest most effective way to enlightenment. And let me reiterate: I am referring to that first technique we all got for $35.00 back in '73 when we had long hair and bell bottoms. Me -- a snot-nosed 18-year-old into every vice available to his immature materialistic-infested life -- shelled out 35 Canadian bucks and the cost of 6 flowers, two fruit, and a goddamn hanky and a month later I experienced pure consciousness...something that millions of yogis and assorted saddhu types spend lifetimes and paperweights dangling from their penises trying to achieve. And I got it without any effort and the price of, at the time, about 5 medium pepperoni pizzas. All the rest of the current TMO offerings is fluff and money- making...stuff that's probably necessary if you're running a multi- national operation but has nothing to do with transcending OR the TM Program. And MMY can, ethically, always fall back on the disclaimer he gave us all in the first 5 minutes of the first step of the 7-step program to learning TM: it's not a religion or a philosophy...it's a do-it-yourself program that doesn't require belief or any other additions. Anyone that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK! on 9/11/06 4:24 PM, johnlasher20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?. Im a lot more sure about it than I am that MMY is one. Even Amma has said that MMY is a great meditation teacher and that the TM is a very effective technique. I agree with both of those points. That doesnt make him a saint. She also said that charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her child for breast milk. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
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--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 4:24 PM, johnlasher20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?. I¹m a lot more sure about it than I am that MMY is one. Even Amma has said that MMY is a great meditation teacher and that the TM is a very effective technique. I agree with both of those points. That doesn¹t make him a saint. She also said that charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her child for breast milk. And it's about time those unappreciative brats started paying up! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM is Yoga/lite for modernity..and why that's OK!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/11/06 4:24 PM, johnlasher20002000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and therefore you don't!?! I assume. How do you even know they're saints?. I¹m a lot more sure about it than I am that MMY is one. Even Amma has said that MMY is a great meditation teacher and that the TM is a very effective technique. I agree with both of those points. That doesn¹t make him a saint. She also said that charging money for meditation is like a mother charging her child for breast milk. And it's about time those unappreciative brats started paying up! There's only a charge if the breast doesn't point to the south... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
