Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick, you can post this from a friend'
She's the flower of compassion, ain't she?Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** Swami G has a website: http://kundalinisupport.com/a timely offeringon this ongoing subject)* Next question: If a disciple goes astray and then comesback to you and asks for forgiveness, is this almost always,always or rarely granted?g: depends ... if they have taken Diksha elsewhere then No--- the bond is broken . other situations are case by case * I am starting to run into a dilemma by the minute. Ihave all my travel plans for India but I think I am getting talkedout of it as I continue to ask you questions.G: while india may hold a lot of allure it is Not the soleplace where an authentic Guru may be found...* When you say Diksha, there must be a vast difference anddegree of it according to circumstances. For example, KalkiBhagwan has his disciples or even I think students that are notfull blown disciples give Diksha. He also has Diksha going onin his ashram. A Diksha giver that I met in New York said it ismuch more powerful at the ashram.G: yes -* It is explained in Kalki Bhagawan's site that his dasaJi'sgive the Diksha because if he did it, it would be toooverpowering.G: i say that is total balderdash .. he is just to lazy totake on that mantle ... therefore it is being taken over byothers so he can put his energies elsewhere ...WHY do guru's promote such crap ? that it would be just tooverpowering IF he gave Diksha directly ...sorry i can't nor won't promote such a statement as beinganyway valid.* Would you give one of your disciples permission to takeDiksha elsewhere?G: absolutely Not ...you cannot walk two paths --- under two Guru's at one time...i don't have the time nor inclination to continually undo theconfusion that takes place when that happens Beforetaking Diksha sadhakas should decide on One path ..* What if one of your disciples took Darshan from motherMeera, for example-she touches your head, and looks at you.G: Darshan is different than Diksha ..Diksha is transmitting some of the Guru's energy to awakeningor stabalizing your Kundalini - it is also a Commitmentlike getting married .. you don't go to the altar and enter into amarriage with more than one person at a time Diksha isalmost like getting married and yet it is even a deepercommitment .. the Guru is making a commitment to Guideyou for the whole of this life and even beyond if needed . Whyshould Any authentic Guru commit to such a thing with asadhaka who prefers to not honor such a relationship .???.Do you think it is ok to chase prostitutes and dishonor your wife ?perhaps a prostitute may give you a moment of joy but then youtake the risk of picking up a disease .. so what is better ?to chase prostitutes or to have a pure marriage with one thatcares for your welfare ???this isn't like signing up for a new course . a new collegeclass.. Unfortunately this is how sadhakas are viewing Dikshaand entering a path . oh it's just another type of learningand more is better ...No it isn't . not when it comes to walking through a Kundalinipath ...* Or for example, I went to this center in NY, and then whenthe lady asked me to meditate with her mantra or chant, Iexplained that I already have my meditation technique so Iwill do that instead.G: this would be the correct way to handle it ..* Are these sort of undertakings enough for you to part with adisciple? If so, then isn't it an individual consideration for eachGuru based on his style, to determine which punishment fitswhich crime (so to speak)?G: there is no *punishment* ... the Guru will either work withyou -- or when the bond has been breached on Purpose thenWhy in the world does the Guru owe you anything ?Sort of like if you have a husband that is carrying on an affair orrunning after prostitutes Why in the world should the wifecontinue to honor a commitment with her whole heart when it isclear that this Trust has been broken .. this relationship hasbeen severed on the energetic and heart levels by his actions .Can you understand it better by this analogy ? it is not an egothing on the part of the Guru .. it is a full on Commitment toaide you within your journey . the Guru is offering you the wayto find the Pearl of Great Price they are offering their time,expertise , energy , hearts commitment , support , a stabilizinginfluence , clarity which you yet do not posses .Now what are you offering in return ???to listen on occasion when you feel like it ? and then to run hereand there seeing what else you can go play at ?Why oh Why would an authentic Guru continue to offer a preciouschance at liberation to one who has only eyes for his waywardlife ?? it is Amazing to see people expecting Guru's to jumpthrough their hoops .What in the world do you think is so enticing about acceptingsadhakas ?what great boon as a sadhaka are you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick, you can post this from a friend'
She's the flower of compassion, ain't she? Seems to have an unusual fixation on prostitutes. --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She's the flower of compassion, ain't she? Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** Swami G has a website: http://kundalinisupport.com/ a timely offering on this ongoing subject) * Next question: If a disciple goes astray and then comes back to you and asks for forgiveness, is this almost always, always or rarely granted? g: depends ... if they have taken Diksha elsewhere then No --- the bond is broken . other situations are case by case * I am starting to run into a dilemma by the minute. I have all my travel plans for India but I think I am getting talked out of it as I continue to ask you questions. G: while india may hold a lot of allure it is Not the sole place where an authentic Guru may be found... * When you say Diksha, there must be a vast difference and degree of it according to circumstances. For example, Kalki Bhagwan has his disciples or even I think students that are not full blown disciples give Diksha. He also has Diksha going on in his ashram. A Diksha giver that I met in New York said it is much more powerful at the ashram. G: yes - * It is explained in Kalki Bhagawan's site that his dasaJi's give the Diksha because if he did it, it would be too overpowering. G: i say that is total balderdash .. he is just to lazy to take on that mantle ... therefore it is being taken over by others so he can put his energies elsewhere ... WHY do guru's promote such crap ? that it would be just to overpowering IF he gave Diksha directly ... sorry i can't nor won't promote such a statement as being anyway valid. * Would you give one of your disciples permission to take Diksha elsewhere? G: absolutely Not ... you cannot walk two paths --- under two Guru's at one time... i don't have the time nor inclination to continually undo the confusion that takes place when that happens Before taking Diksha sadhakas should decide on One path .. * What if one of your disciples took Darshan from mother Meera, for example-she touches your head, and looks at you. G: Darshan is different than Diksha .. Diksha is transmitting some of the Guru's energy to awakening or stabalizing your Kundalini - it is also a Commitment like getting married .. you don't go to the altar and enter into a marriage with more than one person at a time Diksha is almost like getting married and yet it is even a deeper commitment .. the Guru is making a commitment to Guide you for the whole of this life and even beyond if needed . Why should Any authentic Guru commit to such a thing with a sadhaka who prefers to not honor such a relationship .???. Do you think it is ok to chase prostitutes and dishonor your wife ? perhaps a prostitute may give you a moment of joy but then you take the risk of picking up a disease .. so what is better ? to chase prostitutes or to have a pure marriage with one that cares for your welfare ??? this isn't like signing up for a new course . a new college class.. Unfortunately this is how sadhakas are viewing Diksha and entering a path . oh it's just another type of learning and more is better ... No it isn't . not when it comes to walking through a Kundalini path ... * Or for example, I went to this center in NY, and then when the lady asked me to meditate with her mantra or chant, I explained that I already have my meditation technique so I will do that instead. G: this would be the correct way to handle it .. * Are these sort of undertakings enough for you to part with a disciple? If so, then isn't it an individual consideration for each Guru based on his style, to determine which punishment fits which crime (so to speak)? G: there is no *punishment* ... the Guru will either work with you -- or when the bond has been breached on Purpose then Why in the world does the Guru owe you anything ? Sort of like if you have a husband that is carrying on an affair or running after prostitutes Why in the world should the wife continue to honor a commitment with her whole heart when it is clear that this Trust has been broken .. this relationship has been severed on the energetic and heart levels by his actions . Can you understand it better by this analogy ? it is not an ego thing on the part of the Guru .. it is a full on Commitment to aide you within your journey . the Guru is offering you the way to find the Pearl of Great Price they are offering their time, expertise , energy , hearts commitment , support , a stabilizing influence , clarity which you yet do not posses . Now what are you offering in return ??? to listen on
[FairfieldLife] Rick, you can post this from a friend'
*** Swami G has a website: http://kundalinisupport.com/ a timely offering on this ongoing subject) * Next question: If a disciple goes astray and then comes back to you and asks for forgiveness, is this almost always, always or rarely granted? g: depends ... if they have taken Diksha elsewhere then No --- the bond is broken . other situations are case by case * I am starting to run into a dilemma by the minute. I have all my travel plans for India but I think I am getting talked out of it as I continue to ask you questions. G: while india may hold a lot of allure it is Not the sole place where an authentic Guru may be found... * When you say Diksha, there must be a vast difference and degree of it according to circumstances. For example, Kalki Bhagwan has his disciples or even I think students that are not full blown disciples give Diksha. He also has Diksha going on in his ashram. A Diksha giver that I met in New York said it is much more powerful at the ashram. G: yes - * It is explained in Kalki Bhagawan's site that his dasaJi's give the Diksha because if he did it, it would be too overpowering. G: i say that is total balderdash .. he is just to lazy to take on that mantle ... therefore it is being taken over by others so he can put his energies elsewhere ... WHY do guru's promote such crap ? that it would be just to overpowering IF he gave Diksha directly ... sorry i can't nor won't promote such a statement as being anyway valid. * Would you give one of your disciples permission to take Diksha elsewhere? G: absolutely Not ... you cannot walk two paths --- under two Guru's at one time... i don't have the time nor inclination to continually undo the confusion that takes place when that happens Before taking Diksha sadhakas should decide on One path .. * What if one of your disciples took Darshan from mother Meera, for example-she touches your head, and looks at you. G: Darshan is different than Diksha .. Diksha is transmitting some of the Guru's energy to awakening or stabalizing your Kundalini - it is also a Commitment like getting married .. you don't go to the altar and enter into a marriage with more than one person at a time Diksha is almost like getting married and yet it is even a deeper commitment .. the Guru is making a commitment to Guide you for the whole of this life and even beyond if needed . Why should Any authentic Guru commit to such a thing with a sadhaka who prefers to not honor such a relationship .???. Do you think it is ok to chase prostitutes and dishonor your wife ? perhaps a prostitute may give you a moment of joy but then you take the risk of picking up a disease .. so what is better ? to chase prostitutes or to have a pure marriage with one that cares for your welfare ??? this isn't like signing up for a new course . a new college class.. Unfortunately this is how sadhakas are viewing Diksha and entering a path . oh it's just another type of learning and more is better ... No it isn't . not when it comes to walking through a Kundalini path ... * Or for example, I went to this center in NY, and then when the lady asked me to meditate with her mantra or chant, I explained that I already have my meditation technique so I will do that instead. G: this would be the correct way to handle it .. * Are these sort of undertakings enough for you to part with a disciple? If so, then isn't it an individual consideration for each Guru based on his style, to determine which punishment fits which crime (so to speak)? G: there is no *punishment* ... the Guru will either work with you -- or when the bond has been breached on Purpose then Why in the world does the Guru owe you anything ? Sort of like if you have a husband that is carrying on an affair or running after prostitutes Why in the world should the wife continue to honor a commitment with her whole heart when it is clear that this Trust has been broken .. this relationship has been severed on the energetic and heart levels by his actions . Can you understand it better by this analogy ? it is not an ego thing on the part of the Guru .. it is a full on Commitment to aide you within your journey . the Guru is offering you the way to find the Pearl of Great Price they are offering their time, expertise , energy , hearts commitment , support , a stabilizing influence , clarity which you yet do not posses . Now what are you offering in return ??? to listen on occasion when you feel like it ? and then to run here and there seeing what else you can go play at ? Why oh Why would an authentic Guru continue to offer a precious chance at liberation to one who has only eyes for his wayward life ?? it is Amazing to see people expecting Guru's to jump through their hoops . What in the world do you think is so enticing about accepting sadhakas ?
