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Then add in ancestral karma and one can see why karma is unfathomable. Because it's just about infinite! Anyway, the soul might choose such a situation to burn off some similar karma from a previous life. Seems reasonable to have high intentions, do our best and leave the rest up to the lords of karma. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Seraphita wrote: (snip) Re authfriend's I'm not sure this makes a lot of sense. Assuming the soul chooses the circumstances of its next life, why would it pick a mother who is going to abort? : because the soul chose parents with the right genes and circumstances for its future progress but it couldn't know in advance that the mother would later freely choose to abort. OooK... As to karma having to be matched for both mother and fetus: I'd hate to have to do the balancing act required for that one to work out. Unfathomable is the course of action [i.e., karma]. (Krishna to Arjuna in the Gita)
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Somehow, I'm not seeing how it would be possible for a soul to intentionally intend to be aborted, since the preservation of one's own life is so ingrained in our very being, an evolutionary force so to speak. What a slippery slope to start down, fetal suicide. Kind of goes against anything the Buddha taught about all sentient beings. It's not just reasonable to have high intentions, it's essential. Once you start lowering the standard for life, it will be easier to lower it again and again and again. Do we want to evolve in the direction of life or in the direction of death? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Then add in ancestral karma and one can see why karma is unfathomable. Because it's just about infinite! Anyway, the soul might choose such a situation to burn off some similar karma from a previous life. Seems reasonable to have high intentions, do our best and leave the rest up to the lords of karma. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Seraphita wrote: (snip) Re authfriend's I'm not sure this makes a lot of sense. Assuming the soul chooses the circumstances of its next life, why would it pick a mother who is going to abort? : because the soul chose parents with the right genes and circumstances for its future progress but it couldn't know in advance that the mother would later freely choose to abort. OooK... As to karma having to be matched for both mother and fetus: I'd hate to have to do the balancing act required for that one to work out. Unfathomable is the course of action [i.e., karma]. (Krishna to Arjuna in the Gita)
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Mike, from what I've picked up over the years, it is the soul that propels us forward to eternal union with God. And that journey might include making seemingly horrendous choices. What I've heard is that the soul knows what is needed to burn off all the karma so that union with God is possible. We evolve in the direction of that union and evolution may include many births and deaths. But again, on the day to day human level, we have the highest intentions, we do our best and we leave the rest to life's unfolding mystery. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Somehow, I'm not seeing how it would be possible for a soul to intentionally intend to be aborted, since the preservation of one's own life is so ingrained in our very being, an evolutionary force so to speak. What a slippery slope to start down, fetal suicide. Kind of goes against anything the Buddha taught about all sentient beings. It's not just reasonable to have high intentions, it's essential. Once you start lowering the standard for life, it will be easier to lower it again and again and again. Do we want to evolve in the direction of life or in the direction of death? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Then add in ancestral karma and one can see why karma is unfathomable. Because it's just about infinite! Anyway, the soul might choose such a situation to burn off some similar karma from a previous life. Seems reasonable to have high intentions, do our best and leave the rest up to the lords of karma. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Seraphita wrote: (snip) Re authfriend's I'm not sure this makes a lot of sense. Assuming the soul chooses the circumstances of its next life, why would it pick a mother who is going to abort? : because the soul chose parents with the right genes and circumstances for its future progress but it couldn't know in advance that the mother would later freely choose to abort. OooK... As to karma having to be matched for both mother and fetus: I'd hate to have to do the balancing act required for that one to work out. Unfathomable is the course of action [i.e., karma]. (Krishna to Arjuna in the Gita)
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XA, there are many books on this topic. As for me, I was raised Catholic so I come from that mindset. I also appreciate what the FFL atheists say. And though I have never seen an AK-47 in person, I have sensed consciousness even in a plastic bag! Go figure! From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:33 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Share Long wrote: Mike, from what I've picked up over the years, it is the soul that propels us forward to eternal union with God. And that journey might include making seemingly horrendous choices. What I've heard is that the soul knows what is needed to burn off all the karma so that union with God is possible. We evolve in the direction of that union and evolution may include many births and deaths. But again, on the day to day human level, we have the highest intentions, we do our best and we leave the rest to life's unfolding mystery. How does a soul enter a human body? How would it know how to do that? How does it select a body, or how is the body selected for it? What are the mechanics of entry? How does a soul interact with a body (for if it was not there in the first place, what kind of interface does a soul require to make the body function)? I think this should be an essay. And a final question: Does an AK-47 have a soul, and should it be granted religious status?
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Destiny of Souls, all about the bardo, life between lives, etc. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Share explained: XA, there are many books on this topic. And I'm sure they answer all Xeno's questions definitively, right, Share? But we'll have to find the books ourselves if we want to know those answers, because Share isn't going to tell us the titles or share anything from them. As for me, I was raised Catholic so I come from that mindset. I also appreciate what the FFL atheists say. Which FFL atheists would those be, Share? And though I have never seen an AK-47 in person, I have sensed consciousness even in a plastic bag! Go figure! No need. It figures. From: anartaxius@... anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:33 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Share Long wrote: Mike, from what I've picked up over the years, it is the soul that propels us forward to eternal union with God. And that journey might include making seemingly horrendous choices. What I've heard is that the soul knows what is needed to burn off all the karma so that union with God is possible. We evolve in the direction of that union and evolution may include many births and deaths. But again, on the day to day human level, we have the highest intentions, we do our best and we leave the rest to life's unfolding mystery. How does a soul enter a human body? How would it know how to do that? How does it select a body, or how is the body selected for it? What are the mechanics of entry? How does a soul interact with a body (for if it was not there in the first place, what kind of interface does a soul require to make the body function)? I think this should be an essay. And a final question: Does an AK-47 have a soul, and should it be granted religious status?
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A soul only has one *life* but many bodies to experience that life in. Having the body allows the soul to progress along it's course of evolution. Take away a soul's body and you take away it's chance to advance further at that particular time. BTW , nothing wrong with evolving in wisdom(making right choices) either. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:59 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Mike objected: Somehow, I'm not seeing how it would be possible for a soul to intentionally intend to be aborted, since the preservation of one's own life is so ingrained in our very being, an evolutionary force so to speak. Well, when we're embodied it is. But in between lives, presumably the soul knows that physical death doesn't mean the end of one's existence. What a slippery slope to start down, fetal suicide. Kind of goes against anything the Buddha taught about all sentient beings. It's not just reasonable to have high intentions, it's essential. Once you start lowering the standard for life, it will be easier to lower it again and again and again. Do we want to evolve in the direction of life or in the direction of death? We might want to evolve in the direction of effective, easily available birth control, thorough sex education, and eradication of poverty so that unwanted pregnancies are reduced to a minimum. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Then add in ancestral karma and one can see why karma is unfathomable. Because it's just about infinite! Anyway, the soul might choose such a situation to burn off some similar karma from a previous life. Seems reasonable to have high intentions, do our best and leave the rest up to the lords of karma. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Seraphita wrote: (snip) Re authfriend's I'm not sure this makes a lot of sense. Assuming the soul chooses the circumstances of its next life, why would it pick a mother who is going to abort? : because the soul chose parents with the right genes and circumstances for its future progress but it couldn't know in advance that the mother would later freely choose to abort. OooK... As to karma having to be matched for both mother and fetus: I'd hate to have to do the balancing act required for that one to work out. Unfathomable is the course of action [i.e., karma]. (Krishna to Arjuna in the Gita)
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Destiny of Souls, all about the bardo, life between lives, etc. So helpful. And what about the FFL atheists? Because someone obviously doesn't know, there is no need to believe in the God thang to believe in reincarnation. Millions of Buddhists, for instance, believe in reincarnation but don't see any need to believe in a God. The two are not related.
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The FFL atheists are, IMHO, very godly (-: From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 3:34 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn So helpful. And what about the FFL atheists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Destiny of Souls, all about the bardo, life between lives, etc. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:39 PM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Share explained: XA, there are many books on this topic. And I'm sure they answer all Xeno's questions definitively, right, Share? But we'll have to find the books ourselves if we want to know those answers, because Share isn't going to tell us the titles or share anything from them. As for me, I was raised Catholic so I come from that mindset. I also appreciate what the FFL atheists say. Which FFL atheists would those be, Share? And though I have never seen an AK-47 in person, I have sensed consciousness even in a plastic bag! Go figure! No need. It figures. From: anartaxius@... anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:33 PM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Share Long wrote: Mike, from what I've picked up over the years, it is the soul that propels us forward to eternal union with God. And that journey might include making seemingly horrendous choices. What I've heard is that the soul knows what is needed to burn off all the karma so that union with God is possible. We evolve in the direction of that union and evolution may include many births and deaths. But again, on the day to day human level, we have the highest intentions, we do our best and we leave the rest to life's unfolding mystery. How does a soul enter a human body? How would it know how to do that? How does it select a body, or how is the body selected for it? What are the mechanics of entry? How does a soul interact with a body (for if it was not there in the first place, what kind of interface does a soul require to make the body function)? I think this should be an essay. And a final question: Does an AK-47 have a soul, and should it be granted religious status?
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I don't really care to elaborate, cuz I'm a little fatigued, but having been present at the birth of my three kids, I picked up different impressions of their mindsets about the whole affair of their being born. It could be entirely subjective but certain things stood out for each of them. And as mentioned before, after being the coach during the birth of the first one, I was glad to relinquish that responsibility for #2 and #3, and be more of a bystander. One other comment. I don't think there is a thing wrong being in a hospital, and hooked up to all kinds of monitors, as opposed to, say being born in a bathtub, or in salt water with dolphins. The hospital setting is a warm environment, and more importantly safe. It can be rough sometimes getting that baby out in a healthy fashion. From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Somehow, I'm not seeing how it would be possible for a soul to intentionally intend to be aborted, since the preservation of one's own life is so ingrained in our very being, an evolutionary force so to speak. What a slippery slope to start down, fetal suicide. Kind of goes against anything the Buddha taught about all sentient beings. It's not just reasonable to have high intentions, it's essential. Once you start lowering the standard for life, it will be easier to lower it again and again and again. Do we want to evolve in the direction of life or in the direction of death? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Then add in ancestral karma and one can see why karma is unfathomable. Because it's just about infinite! Anyway, the soul might choose such a situation to burn off some similar karma from a previous life. Seems reasonable to have high intentions, do our best and leave the rest up to the lords of karma. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The Beast and the unborn Seraphita wrote: (snip) Re authfriend's I'm not sure this makes a lot of sense. Assuming the soul chooses the circumstances of its next life, why would it pick a mother who is going to abort? : because the soul chose parents with the right genes and circumstances for its future progress but it couldn't know in advance that the mother would later freely choose to abort. OooK... As to karma having to be matched for both mother and fetus: I'd hate to have to do the balancing act required for that one to work out. Unfathomable is the course of action [i.e., karma]. (Krishna to Arjuna in the Gita)
