Is anybody else on an organic diet and if so,
where do you procure your foodstuffs? I'm
pretty sure I'd die if I couldn't eat organic
brown rice every day.
Bhairitu:
Bad news for ya Willy: Whole Foods admits its
organic foods contain genetically modified
ingredients
Not all of
turquoiseb:
Define dharma. Show it to me scientifically. I'll wait.
This is funny - Barry didn't define anything in his original
questions, so now he wants us to define 'dharma', a basic
term used in Hinduism and Buddhism. Come to think of it,
has Barry ever defined anything? Go figure.
Bhairitu:
Now Edg, you know on FFL you've got to connect that
somehow to whether the world is going to end..
So, you're thinking that explosives were planted in the
WTC and timed to go off at almost the exact time the
planes hit the WTC? How would anyone know WHEN EXACTLY
the planes would
Not all of Whole Foods organics are modified,
but compared to what you're getting at your
local Safeway, it's pretty organic!
Bhairitu:
The closest grocer is a Knob Hill which is a
Bay Area chain and they have an organic
section...
There's no way to tell if packaged products
But, none of our Texas prairie dogs are GMO,
they are all organic! According to what I've
read almost ALL of your meat sources in CA
are fed with GMO livestock feed! Good luck.
Bhairitu:
How do you know your prairie dogs didn't get
into some PCBs?
Just don't let them out of the
Rick Archer:
Yes sir just when you thought she couldn't
get any dumber:
So, you're thinking that Sarah Palin is the
most important issue in the next election?
Go figure.
But, if I were you and I was worried about
the next election, I'd be worried as hell
that Rick Perry might run for
It doesn't make any sense that anyone but a fringe
nutcase would believe this, but it looks like a few
FFL informants really do believe in doomsday scenarios.
Bhairitu:
Boy you have no ability to see the bigger picture, do
you?
To plant hidden explosives inside the WTC, to explode
Bhairitu:
Weiner's wiener is the big distraction now...
So, Weiner's 'wiener' is a distraction from Sarah
Palin? How are you Dems going to win an election
running on that platform, when Palin isn't even
in office?
You need to get some smarts and forget about
the GMO issue - just concentrate on getting
something, anything, to eat stored up in your
cupboard for the bad day that's going to come.
Bhairitu:
Oh, you forgot the portable potty...
Well, I already have a brick shit-house on my
property
Whole Foods Market carries a full line of
organic produce and meat. That's one of the
reason I'm still living here.
authfriend:
Well, no, it isn't. Whole Foods Market has
around 300 stores across the United States.
There's only one Whole Foods World Headquarters,
the Flagship Store
...they're reluctant to admit their own spiritual
laziness in never having expended the effort to
actually see him live, and I think that they
cling to it because they actually *prefer* the
simplistic, heavily edited, expurgated version
of the man and What he taught.
merudanda:
You
turquoiseb:
Once the first wave of this revisionist history passed, and
the individual teachers and TM Centers realized they'd been
had, they wised up. When we at the Regional Office would get
the latest dictum from International saying that we had to
get all teachers to give back their
Bat Shit Crazy -- What pushes obsession over the line
into true Bat Shit Crazy is the cross-hairs
phenomenon...
It's beginning to look like Judy is starting to get to
Barry, driving him Bat Shit Crazy. LoL
turquoiseb:
I thought I'd take a few moments this morning, seated
at my
seventhray1:
Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding
that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this
quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's
lost his touch.
It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple.
But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in
authfriend:
You haven't taken this course yet, right, Barry? If that's
because you can't afford it, I'll bet everyone here would
happily make a contribution to your course fee.
It would be a lot cheaper to just rent Barry a movie to
watch on his laptop! LoL!!!
'The Guru'
Jimi Mistry, Heather
.
According to Master Fwap, there are many pseudo-spiritual
teachers and masters who have no idea of what enlightenment
is. They can't even levitate a pencil, much less lay claims
to having endless Divine knowledge, power and freedom...
Read more:
Subject: Fwap!
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups
When we at the Regional Office would get the latest dictum from
International saying that we had to get all teachers to give back
their copies of tapes X, Y and Z...
So, I'm the only respondent on this forum that has listened to MMY's
commercial recordings on vinyl, cassette, and DVD? Go
IMO, the human physiology is the living system
that reflects the effects of the planets in the
solar system. It is through human consciousness
that we can understand their influences in our
individual lives, physically and psychologically.
From the individual level, we can
IMplicit in MMY's theory of 7 states of consciousness is
the fact that there's no end-point to growth, and therefore
there's no such thing as the 7th state...
authfriend:
Plus which, as I've always understood it, the whole thing
is a continuum anyway...
This has been pointed out by
curtisdeltablues:
If you read what she said you could determine the
credibility yourself...
Do you have any evidence that MMY actually had sexual
intercourse with Judith, other than what Judith said?
In her book, Judith has no real evidence that she got
anything except a sari or two and
There is another way of teaching...
Bhairitu:
If some folks didn't experience maybe they hit him on
a bad day or their nervous system was just too coarse
to experience it...
Well, I suppose that MMY had that certain something,
in order influence Barry to stay in the TMO for ten
or
If you read what she said you could determine
the credibility yourself...
Lawson:
Someone was in the room with them?
Yes, apparently there was a skin-boy in the living room
and Jemimah Pittman waiting outside the front door. But,
we have not heard from them have we?
I just don't see
emptybill:
You're talking stupid conjecture again Willy.
Well, so nobody made any claims about listening to any
of MMY public recordings, I assumed nobody had ever heard
them. It's just interesting that of all the informants
making claims here, that none of them own a copy of his
records,
Not to mention that a gal would have to be a freak
to want to fuck a midget on an antelope skin under
a framed photo of Guru Dev. That's just outrageous
and sick, right?
seventhray1:
You're panting Willy. Slow down.
Wait, I didn't claim to have screwed the Maharishi,
that was
Have you read the book Lawson? Those who haven't
done so sound pretty foolish when trying to dismiss
its credibility.
Lawson:
Unless someone was in the room or took pictures,
there's no way of settling it for sure.
Judith Bourque and Conny Larsson are both liars
and obviously
I'm not planning to buy it either Rick, so no
need for trying to be sarcastic again.
Rick Archer:
I'll give you a free copy if you'll promise to
read it, cover to cover.
On what page does Judith say that she had sexual
intercourse with the Maharishi?
Maybe she just fantasized that
On what page does Judith say that she had sexual
intercourse with the Maharishi?
Rick Archer:
You don't, because you haven't read the book. You
just babble on about it, making the same idiotic
comments for months on end.
Well, I have never brought up the subject for debate,
but on
Yifu:
The degree of evidence imo doesn't rise to the level
of a criminal conviction...
There is nothing as powerful as the cross-examination,
and since MMY is dead, there will probably never be a
conviction.
But, if Judith wanted to be believed, she would have
revealed the secret BEFORE
when people didn't respond to his announced enlight-
enmentitudeness the way he wanted them to...
tartbrain:
3) one generally didn't talk about their experiences
outside of the QA with MMY. Progress was being made
was the only important thing. No need to talk about
it or broadcast
turquoiseb:
I *did* experience what I experienced...
Perception is reality?
Archaeologists and other scientists report in Friday's
issue of the journal Science that excavations show
hunter-gatherers were living at the Buttermilk Creek site
and making projectile points, blades, choppers and other
tools from local chert for a long time, possibly as early
as 15,500
It's been rather interesting observing the
McRishi Mahesh, whom the Shankaracharya of
the south observed had a busy supermarket
mind with no silence...
Ravi Yogi:
Go back to your discourses on Parama Vakra
Gita...
It is very doubtful that Vaj got an audience
with the
So, it's all about Judy.
turquoiseb:
...the fascination of mature adults with
decades of spiritual life, a few of the
64 posts they made during the first 30
hours of this FFL posting week, during
which they were indulging in a bit of a
feeding frenzy by dissing other FFL
posters,
Buck:
...ad hominid pickering between these
alt.meditation freaks who have come
over and piled on.
Just shoot me, it's all my fault. They followed
me over here to continue their bickering and ad
hominids. One guy from alt.m.t tried to post on
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy! Can you believe
Vaj:
Not for the faint hearted, in the new RS...
You're still subscribing and reading Rolling
Stone? Go figure.
It does in fact appear that a tiny group of
rogues committed premeditated murder...
'Calling BULLSHIT on Rolling Stone'
http://tinyurl.com/6gxytbt
According to Jonah Goldberg,
Effort does not always achieve the desired
results...
turquoiseb:
...and because this exchange really pinpoints
the quandary many of us find ourselves in when
trying to figure out Her Judyness.
Thanks Judy for waxing these two guys really
good - you really put them in their place.
You're still subscribing and reading Rolling
Stone? Go figure.
Bhairitu:
So you love war and killing of innocents by
stupid young soldiers? Figures.
You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you post
your comments. But, just for the record, I am
opposed to Obama's wars and FOR the
You're still subscribing and reading
Rolling Stone? Go figure.
Vaj:
I'll bet there's all sorts of people
from your neck of the woods involved!
You fu*in idiot, Obama isn't from my
'neck of the woods' - not all people
that live in Texas are black.
But, a lot of people around here
You fu*in idiot, Obama isn't from my
'neck of the woods'...
azgrey:
Yeah, well, that's what you said about
prairie dogs and look at the trouble they
got into around you...
There are no 'prairie dogs' in San Antonio
or Austin, you fu*in idiot. You two should
be ashamed of
So, you're trying to get Judy's attention?
turquoiseb:
In the light of many discussions here of Narcissistic Personality
Disorder, and how it relates to claims of enlightenment, higher states
of consciousness, and just the everyday I'm more evolved/intelligent
than all those REEEALLY
curtisdeltablues:
Damn my test proved that I don't know
how this is happening again!
It helps a lot to learn who to use the
Enter key to break lines instead of using
word-wrap.
I don't know what I could be doing differently but I'll stay on it. It is no
small thing to attribute what I
turquoiseb:
I feel more than a little sorry for both
of them. So much potential, squandered
away on petty ego nonsense.
In the case of Fred Lenz, it might be that
he just wanted to make some cash, and you
suppled him with a lot of that.
From what I've read, Fred bought himself
a
All this you're an narcissist No you're a narcissist
talk flying around does dilute the value of the term a
bit.
authfriend:
(Curtis, you just did it again--began your response *under*
the attribution line.)
Notice how Judy uses the Enter key to break lines? When a
respondent does
Duveyoung:
I think of humans as starting 200,000 years ago.
You have EVIDENCE of early fully human beings?
Maya Civilization: 2000 BC to 250 AD
Aztec Civilization: 14th, 15th and 16th centuries
Gault Site: 14,000 years ago
Clovis Reconsidered:
http://tinyurl.com/3l4k9zn
Pre-Clovis
Duveyoung:
And sitting around waiting for corn to grow gave
everyone the leisure time to go do graffiti in
the caves of Lascaux...
Probably not, since maize is a grain domesticated
by the indigenous peoples of Mesoamerica during
prehistoric times.
Neccesity is the mother of invention.
do.rflex:
That quote from Charlie included [Maharishi took
a left turn] away from God.
So, Charlie thought Maharishi was a 'lefty'? How
many lefties believe in God - apparently none on
FFL. Sometimes Charlie didn't make much sense.
curtisdeltablues:
I like children, girl children between 18 and 20!
What does your wife think of that? You're at least
50 years old, right?
The study of this sort of history enables us to develop a
profound understanding of who we are and how we got to be
in the position we find ourselves today. It also gives us
a connection with our fellow beings and brings us the
realization that we are not isolated individuals on a
seventhray1:
I don't think any association or
implication of being a pedohphile
is a good idea...
Well, it looked like Stupid Joe was calling
Curtis a perv of some kind. Then Curtis made
a joke about it. Maybe these two should just
keep their pie-holes shut for awhile.
Bhairitu:
Yup, who gives a damn about narcissism? This is just
typical of the yammering on FFL.
Obviously Turq knows next to nothing about Psychology,
as was pointed out by Dr. Pete. To read about a real
narcissistic personality, look it up on Google. But fer
chrissakes, lets not stoop to
turquoiseb:
LOL. Got her. I knew that the fag hag wouldn't
be able to resist rushing in to defend one of
her Three Goons team members. 50 and out. :-)
So, it's all about Judy.
Maybe it's time for Turq to take a break from
posting - then in a year or two he could come
back and dialog like
Bhairitu:
If we have cuts it should be with the bloated
military budget. We're not the world's policemen!
Obama's stimulus, passed in his first month in office,
will cost more than the entire Iraq War -- more than
$100 billion (15%) more...
Read more:
'Little-known fact: Obama's failed
Rick Archer:
I seriously think he should grow an afro, have his
skin darkened...
Have his skin darkened? This is another joke, right?
Robert:
Yeah, I met the Dalai Lama once 14
lifetimes ago, and once in this
lifetime, so?
So, you met the Dalai Lama BEFORE
there was even a Dalai Lama?
Yeah, well, that's what you said about
prairie dogs and look at the trouble they
got into around you...
There are no 'prairie dogs' in San Antonio
or Austin, you fu*in idiot.
azgrey:
You import them?
Oh dear lord!
this is even worse than I thought!!
You are a
I seriously think he should grow an afro, have his
skin darkened...
Have his skin darkened? This is another joke, right?
curtisdeltablues:
Got your Offend-O-Meter set a tad low don't ya Richard?
Not all people who grow 'Afros' have dark skin, Curtis.
Yifu:
http://www.armadillos.info/pic2.jpg
Another example of racial prejudice
against Hispanics that live in Texas?
Not all people who grow 'Afros' have dark skin,
Curtis.
curtisdeltablues:
Nice try. We were talking about Sai specifically.
Aren't there enough legitimate things to be outraged
about in this world that you don't have to contrive
a perspective?
When you snake oil salespeople start
curtisdeltablues:
I appreciate Steve having my back but I didn't
take Rick's post to have anything to do with
Sai's personal life, just his professional
charlatan life. I didn't think he was implying
more than that.
You mean that you don't think Rick was implying
that you were a
I guess what I am saying is that TM-haters as a term is
unnecessary drama as a term for people who don't think
about TM exactly as you do.
turquoiseb:
Let's say that again, a little louder this time, because
a lot of TM addicts on this forum are a little hard of
hearing:
Oh, so
Bhairitu:
As for anti-semitism that is a term that right
wing Israeli factions use to derail criticism
of their apartheid...
So, you're thinking that anti-semitism is a myth
and there was no holocaust - it was all made up
by right wing Israelis to derail criticism of the
Israeli state's
Yifu Xero:
Subject: Texas prairie dogs - unusually slender
So, you have a very strong prejudice against people
due to their birth circumstances. You sound like a
racist. And because I live in Texas you think I eat
prarie dogs; all Mexicans eat tacos; and all Chinese
eat dogs? Is that
Yifu:
For every skin color. What about aliens?
Why do you keep talking about skin color
and aliens when you don't even have an
immigration reform plan?
Maybe you should just keep your pie hole
shut about ethnicity. Are you from outer
space or what?
'We now see the real Obama on
Yifu:
Capt. Lazaros Apostolides with Greek fighters
Don't you just hate those fu*kin Macedonians!
Yifu:
Texas chili with beans:
You fu*kin ignorant fart-blossom bigot,
Texas-style chili contains no beans!!!
Chili was first invented by the Spanish
Canary Islanders, in the city of San
Antonio, Texas, which they founded
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_con_carne
As for anti-semitism that is a term that right
wing Israeli factions use to derail criticism
of their apartheid...
So, you're thinking that anti-semitism is a myth
and there was no holocaust - it was all made up
by right wing Israelis to derail criticism of the
Israeli
Yifu:
Assault of the Monastery of Santa Engracia
Don't you just hate those Spaniards!
The war began when French armies crossed
Spain and invaded Portugal in 1807 and then
in 1808 turned on its ally, Spain...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peninsular_War
Not all people who grow 'Afros' have dark skin, Curtis.
curtisdeltablues:
Nice try.
Fred Lenz, Zen Master Rama, lived in upstate New York
near Pound Lake. LoL!!!
Rick:
Sai Baba may croak
Joe:
Not for Willy, Curtis. Any post is cause
for Willy to trot out his tired routines.
It never seems to bother him that 99% of
the time he ends up pissing in the wind
with no takers on his trolling.
Thanks Joe, I knew I could count on you!
So, why
If this happens, a lot of people will be very
upset. This is another example of our politicians
at work in Washington DC.
authfriend:
Mostly the Republicans. After major concessions from
the Democrats, the GOP is now holding an agreement
hostage to their demand to defund Planned
cardemaister:
From Bhojadeva's comment on YS III 45:
Thence follow psychic powers like the ability to
reduce the body to the size of an atom, etc., and
perfection of body and its immunity from the
ravages of the elements of nature (Y.S. IV 45).
Enlightened Living (Yoga Sutra of Patanjali)
Vaj:
Siddhis are said to be as desirable to a knower of
the Self as milk-porridge in a dog's vomit...
...he miraculously created the palace of Lotus Light
endowed with inconceivable decorations and also emanated
a replica of himself on each of the surrounding eight
islands where they
Once Barry starts lying, he can't stop.
turquoiseb:
And Judy believes that after 17 years of obsessing
on the same stalkee she has any credibility. :-)
At this point she's now spent almost half of her
posts this week trying to get him. My bet is that
this ratio will hold for the rest
Some readers will already be familiar
with my obsession with 'smooth' things,
i.e., cargo cults, some tantric cults
involving sexual thaumaturgy, deviant
cults, and cults with supposed access
to the Axis Mundi or Materia Mater, that
is, the abject physical objects which
man deems worthy of
Seems to be increasing lately, infiltrating
posts and then becoming the main point. I
spoke up, Joe, but I just can't make it stop.
turquoiseb:
The thing is you CAN'T make it stop. It is
Judy's entire life; she has nothing else.
We are talking about a person who, when AZ or
that Willytex!
Hey, Joe, you know my name is Richard, but
if it makes you feel better to call me 'tex',
go ahead - I don't mind. But why do you have
to base your comments on birth circumstances?
Your support of the the caste system is one
of the main reasons you sucked as a spiritual
teacher
So, you're fascinated by Judy's posts!
turquoiseb:
The fascinating thing is that none of this strikes her
as in the least obsessive, and as a multi-year, ongoing,
compulsive attempt to get someone who just coincident-
ally happens to be a TM critic.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Well, I guess this puts to rest the Jyotirmath
succession controversy once and for all, as well
as Vaj and Professor Swayer's opinions about the
legal successor in the line of the Jyotirmath
Shankaracharya - what I have been saying for
close to ten years now.
Case seems to be closed,
Nothing here about any 'murder' of GD by MMY!
Vaj:
Did you actually read it? It was sealed before
the murder.
Stop making weird shut up Willy, you're starting
to sound like Judy now!
So, I guess if their was a 'murder', or even the
rumor of a murder, it would have been mentioned
Exactly the same way that the TM supporters try to
demonize anyone who criticizes TM and MMY, eh? :-)
Vaj:
They have to demonize, because the cannot do so through
honesty and forthrightness. Twisting the truth is their
modus operandi, all the while claiming to be honest or
Yifu:
In the Radhaswami Tradition, just discovered
him 5 min ago, haven't had time to investigate.
If like the rest, wants your devotion and money.
If you have any money you could donate - lots of
people donate to Amma and perform devotion to Amma
and her movement.
Best and worst
Nothing here about any 'murder' of GD by MMY!
Stop making weird shut up Willy, you're starting to
sound like Judy now!
authfriend:
Willytex is making nothing up; Vaj is. And I don't make
stuff up, ever. Vaj knows this.
Vaj made posted four lies in this message alone
So, I guess we can put this rumor to rest, since
there's not any new evidence being presented -
GD died of natural causes due to old age. He left
a will which was carried out by the Jyotirmath
Trust; there was no murder and the cook was not
even in the same town when GD passed away.
'The Cook
turquoiseb:
What I've been trying to suggest in this series of
posts, Buck, is that it's a sad situation which is
perpetuated by the people it's being done to remain-
ing silent and not blowing the whistle on this in
public...
Anyone can pretty much tell that
Turq has not attended very
But what if no one piled on...?
nablusoss1008:
Judy simply disintegrate your attempts with
her piercieng insights exposing your vain
plans for everyone to see...
So, it looks like, with Judy's help, we've corrected
all the misinformation spread around here by all
these discredited
Really there are not very many people in the
domes...
There are no longer any living masters in the TMO,
so there is no person one can go to within the TM
organization if one has questions about their prac-
tice or experiences that are not covered in the
basic guidelines taught to
A certain someone will try -- as she does every
week -- to diss several people she never gets
tired of dissing...
Bhairitu:
I suspect that certain someone goes through life
picking fights anyway. Most likely on other places
than just FFL...
This is your 'dissing'? Very
:
'The Radhasoami Tradition'
A critical history of guru successorship
By David Christopher Lane
Subject: Its Not What You Think!
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental,
alt.yoga, alt.meditation
Date: August 26, 2003
http://tinyurl.com/283gfbw
However, the wise (though their own mind is totally free of all sorrow)
consider all experiences painful as they are all the fruits of the
actions
of ignorance (Y.S. II.15).
'Enlightened Living'
by Swami Venkatesananda
http://tinyurl.com/33wy6kj http://tinyurl.com/33wy6kj
However, the wise (though their own mind is totally free
of all sorrow) consider all experiences painful as they are
all the fruits of the actions of ignorance (Y.S. II.15).
turquoiseb:
What kind of life-hater aspires to consider
all experiences painful?
Buddhists and Hindus?
It
What kind of life-hater aspires to consider all
experiences painful?
authfriend:
And there we have it, the definitive refutation of
the Yoga Sutras: Because one verse sounds to Barry
as if it implies hatred of the world, therefore the
entire work is worthless to him...
Of course,
of a yogin,
that is, a man who has already chosen Yoga.
Read more:
Subject: Ishvara: God of Yogins
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: July 31, 2002
http://tinyurl.com/6y47q9t
: Vidya
From: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: Aug 29 2002 12:31 am
http://tinyurl.com/62v2b5p
authfriend:
Life is so much simpler when we have Barry to tell
us what to think...
Turq got mixed up again - nihilism means that life is
without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.
Turq seems to be the nihilist when he asserts that
morality, norms, rules, or laws do not
turquoiseb:
See what happens when you stop considering
these guys holy or wise?
It has nothing to do with being holy or wise.
The point is, if your life is satisfactory
and without any suffering or pain, then why
would you be practicing a yoga to gain release?
You are either free or you
turquoiseb:
Ignoring attempts to derail this thread and make it
all about Buddhism, I'm going to bring it back to its
original subject, Patanjali...
Samadhi, dukkha, suffering, nirodha (cessation) are crucial
terms in Buddhist vocabulary. The doctrine of suffering is
the core of what
curtisdeltablues:
I just think he was full of it and that
his premises about reality are bogus...
But, for some reason you practiced yoga for
fourteen years and majored in philosophy at
MUM? It just doesn't make any sense!
Samkhya is the philosophical foundation of
all Indian culture,
You are either free or you are bound. If free,
then you have no need for a yoga; if bound, by
what means can you free yourself?
azgrey:
So you are back from hunting prairie-dogs in
Wyoming but still feel the torment of unnatural
urges.
You are not making any sense - are you free or
You seem bound to post off-topic photos, so I guess
to that extend you are not free. Or, you feel free
to take up internet band-space for no good reason.
Yifu:
fish market, 1935
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/32470.jpg
I just think he was full of it and that
his premises
curtisdeltablues:
You may be overstating that since Samkhya
came a lot later than many of the
principles in Hinduism...
Samkhya came long before 'Hinduism'; before
the historical Buddha (563BCE), and before
Buddhism. That's why historians think the
Buddha may have been influenced by
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