turquoiseb:
The deeper or more cosmic a poster tries
to present his or her point of view, the more
likely it is to really be superficial, probably
something they were told by someone else, and
are just parroting...
Most of the things we know we learned by someone
telling us something,
whynotnow7:
...compassion, vegetarian, non violence,
speak the sweet truth, calmness, no thoughts,
acceptance of thoughts, ease, peacefulness,
world peace, mindfulness, yoga, buddha,
krishna, vishnu, meditation, easiness, here
and now.
jus b reg 2 x y med, ne alt sans 3 guns, seps
Bhairitu:
Who's Wrecking America?
Well, I'd say the people wrecking America
are the non-productive old people like you,
who don't pay any federal income tax and
don't contribute much to social America.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that
it's a bad plan to have all the young people
emptybill:
If you believe you are absent, unaware and
unconscious then please provide your proof...
There are three forms of valid knowledge:
1. Sense perception.
2. Inference.
3. Verbal testimony.
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know
nothing. - Socrates
Well, I'd say the people wrecking America
are the non-productive old people like you,
who don't pay any federal income tax and
don't contribute much to social America.
Bhairitu:
Don't quit your day job to be psychic. I pay
federal and state income tax because I'm still
earning
So, you're not averse to making money. But, why
are you so jealous of how much others make?
Bhairitu:
Who says I'm jealous? It's the misuse of their
wealth where they believe they are doing God's
work that pisses me off.
It's none of your business what people do with
their
I doubt that if people quit shopping at wal-mart that Sam
Walton would start sending out thugs to kidnap family
members or start a series of murders.
authfriend:
Sorta like the difference between operating a drone from a
comfortable bunker to slaughter the enemy (often
accidentally
Bhairitu:
Oh, come on now, let's not whitewash American
corporations. Their hands are very dirty, so
much so that the line between organized crime
and corporate crime is very blurred...
From what I've read, the current U.S. economic
problems started with the Democrats support of
Oh, come on now, let's not whitewash American
corporations. Their hands are very dirty, so
much so that the line between organized crime
and corporate crime is very blurred...
From what I've read, the current U.S. economic
problems started with the Democrats support of
Judy, they were breaking the law!
authfriend:
BillyG, go look up civil disobedience in
Mr. Dictionary...
So, you're thinking that the protesting students
at U.C. Davis DID NOT expect to be arrested?
Civil disobedience is the active, professed
refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and
Such naughty students to stand up to their
Rajas. I mean, masters. : )
Ravi Yogi:
LOL..thanks for the laughs :-)
So, the U.C. Davis student protest against
university tuition hikes WAS a joke!
So, you are thinking public college education
tuition should be lower, so more poor
shukra69:
wondrous Catholicism
Don't you just hate those Spanish Catholics!
Nabby hasn't tried to enter a TMO butt-bouncing
facility for years. That's why he still believes
they'd let him in. Either that or he knows the
nazis-in-charge. :-)
nablusoss1008:
Says who?
Someone who hasn't been in the Movement for 40
years, knows nothing about my status and never
turquoiseb:
This past weekend I participated in a four-hour
meeting of Occupy Wall Street activists...
The last time I checked, Michael Moore was one of
the 1%, being a multi millionaire several times
over, but does Moore have to be an in-your-face
hypocrite as well?
This champion of
TurquoiseB:
From Michael Moore's blog, reposted below
for the link-averse...
Michael Moore photo and story, for the apparently
link-averse Turqster:
http://www.detnews.com/article/2015/OPINION01/50320/1008/opinio\
n01/Hypocrisy-of-Michael-Moore%E2%80%99s-opulent-home
This champion
Getcher red-hot pepper spray rightchere...
So, you're thinking that the protesting students
at U.C. Davis DID NOT expect to be arrested?
I guess Judy thought they should have been 'tickled'
into submission.
Tom Pall:
Doubtful. Remember she was on Amazon pricing Police
I don't know whether intelligence is infinite or not, but
to me, the universe does not look like it came about and is
maintained through random collisions of little billiard balls.
It seems to me that every level of creation, from the sub-
atomic to the cosmic, animate and
The difference between floating and flying is one of degree,
not kind, from the TM theory perspective...
turquoiseb:
Tune in next week, boys and girls, as Professor
Lawson brings us another fascinating episode of
Reality The Way Science Would Describe It If
Science Was As Smart As
...a first step in a scientific enguiry might
be to compare what differs wrt TM and the
meditation techniques used by the Saints -
that enabled them to levitate...
cardemaister:
janmauSadhi-mantra-tapaH-samaadhi-jaaH siddhayaH.
(IV 1)
Psychic and spiritual powers (siddhi) may
If anyone can honestly present a case WHY we should
put any credence whatsoever on Maharishi's Sidhi Scam
and claims about levitation, without parroting his
words the way Lawson did, I'd love to hear it.
authfriend:
Why are they all no more than a fairy tale but yours
is a valid
Bhairitu:
It CAN happen here...
You sound really scared. You want to have
a trial for captured terrorists in downtown
New York City?
In a floor statement Thursday, Levin
noted that Obama would retain the ability
to determine whether suspects remain in
civilian custody or be transferred
You sound really scared. You want to have
a trial for captured terrorists in downtown
New York City?
Bhairitu:
Obama shouldn't have to veto the bill. It should
never have been written in the first place. Don't
we have enough laws already?
So, do you want to have a trial for
Unfortunately your listed email no-re...@yahoogroups.com
is not legit...
authfriend:
And amazingly enough, they all list the *same* illegitimate
email address!
vajradhatu108 - The person you have searched for either does
not exist or has chosen to hide his profile. LoL!!!
Bottom line is that if your buttons get pushed by
something I say, they're still YOUR buttons, not mine.
That means that they're YOUR attachments, not mine. I
am merely pointing them out.
authfriend:
And YOU'RE attached to trying to push buttons.
We've all got attachments. You're just
Bhairitu:
Apparently the Republicans think the majority
of the country is a bunch of mindless dolts who
believe anything you tell them, especially if
you wear a suit.
Maybe those Republicans think the bunch of
mindless dolts are like sheeple. LoL!
...I don't know why he can't figure out something
better to do with his time.
whynotnow7:
I do. He's lonely and needs the interaction on this
forum MUCH MORE than it needs him...
You need to maybe cut Barry some slack - there's not
much to do when you're an expatriot living over in
Why would I want to vote against McCain and Levin?
raunchydog:
So, do you want to be captured in your
own backyard and detained indefinitely
in an undisclosed location without access
to a lawyer, or a trial? You're not making
any sense.
You're not making any sense.
In a floor
Bhairitu:
It allows ANYONE to be declared a hostile...
President Obama already has the authority to kill
suspected terrorists, foreign or otherwise.
You need to keep in mind that Obama thought it
was a good idea to try the 911 mastermind in
downtown New York City!
The bill provides that a
President Obama already has the authority to kill
suspected terrorists, foreign or otherwise.
You need to keep in mind that Obama thought it
was a good idea to try the 911 mastermind in
downtown New York City!
Bhairitu:
Download the bill and read sections 1031 and 1032.
As far
turquoiseb:
Is it, in your opinion, any less remarkable than
people following Maharishi around the world, no
matter where, no matter what cockamamie reason
he gave them for going there?
'Sham: How the Self-Help Movement Made America Helpless'
By Steve Salerno
http://tinyurl.com/c52nxsa
For his part, Vag distorts it all to conform to his
negativity.
Vaj:
Read the post from earlier today please: they are
direct quotes from HH Swami Brahmananda Saraswati's
lineal successor, not me.
Swami Shantanand was succeeded by Swami Vasudevanand,
the current Shankaracarya of
Hey, Vaj! This guy is out of his tree, and his subtle pridefulness
makes for a big stink. He your Guru by any chance?
Vaj:
No he is not my guru, but I do agree with what he says.
The Buddhist nun Tenzin Palmo (in Mackenzie, 1999) related her
own experiences with the young Chögyam in
As far as I'm concerned, in a war, the President
of the U.S. can shoot and kill any al Qaeda terrorist
anywhere on the planet if he thinks that will keep
America safe. Why waste tax-payer money on an arrest
and a trial at Gitmo?
Bhairitu:
I suppose you look under your bed every
Johnjr_esq
Good research on your part...
Thanks to people like Barney Frank, Fannie and Freddy
had their hands in 50% of the U.S. home mortages - they
came very close to bringing down the whole international
banking system.
The Bush administration warned congress about Fanny and
Freddie
maskedzebra:
Look, Vaj: your own spirituality does not even tempt
you to be honest about your past...
Subject: The Case against Swami Rama of the Himalayas
Author: Vaj
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: September 20, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/bvv2nrj http://tinyurl.com/bvv2nrj
I suppose you look under your bed every night for
Al Qaeda operatives...
Obama will do that for me, he kills al Qaeda operatives
as far away as Pakistan.
Obama killed the two top al Qaeda leaders, so I guess
Obama didn't think they needed a trial in downtown New
York City.
Thanks to people like Barney Frank, Fannie and Freddy
had their hands in 50% of the U.S. home mortages
- they came very close to bringing down the whole
international banking system.
authfriend:
No, they didn't. Please read the Wikipedia article I
recommended to John and inform
Vaj:
Meditate on this lawsuit
The seer was arrested on 11 November, 2004 at Mahboobnagar,
about 150 km from Hyderabad of directing the murder of A.
Sankararaman, a former Manager of the Mutt...
Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswathi gets arrested:
http://tinyurl.com/clyffpn
raunchydog:
I don't understand why this bill ever made it
to the floor of the Senate under Democratic
leadership...
So, why do you suppose the majority of the U.S.
Senate opposed the Udall amendment?
Can you give me one good reason to have a public
trial for someone like Osama bin
What's wrong with trials for supposed al Qaeda
operatives?
Because liberals like you would let them go free?
authfriend:
Several hundred terrorists have been convicted in civilian
courts. How many have been convicted by military tribunals?
Only a handful.
One of the big
What's wrong with trials for supposed al Qaeda
operatives?
Because liberals like you would let them go free?
Bhairitu:
Not so if they are actually guilty of a crime.
Get a grip - the U.S. is pulling its troops out of
Afghanistan. How are you going to capture the al Qaeda
when
Thanks to people like Barney Frank, Fannie and Freddy
had their hands in 50% of the U.S. home mortages
- they came very close to bringing down the whole
international banking system.
authfriend:
No, they didn't. Please read the Wikipedia article I
recommended to John and inform
Thanks to people like Barney Frank, Fannie and Freddy
had their hands in 50% of the U.S. home mortages
- they came very close to bringing down the whole
international banking system.
No, they didn't. Please read the Wikipedia article I
recommended to John and inform yourself:
The TMO is probably assuming that they're referring to
the TMO's published studies. Who else has published
hundreds of studies on the effects of Indian mantra
meditation?
Vaj:
Because of their claim of uniqueness, TM supporters
are stuck defending that their research uniquely
Swami Rama of the Himalayas getting wired:
Vaj:
Gee, that doesn't look anything like Swami Rama
of the Himalayas...Is that him Willy?
Yes, that is your teacher, Swami Rama, getting wired
up at the Topeka Menninger Foundation where Elmer and
Alyce Green proved that mantra meditation
turquoiseb:
I don't find the guy interesting enough to read
what he writes, much less interact with him...
You sound really jealous of Robin. Maybe you'd
like to be as popular as him, but his posts are
a lot more interesting than your cafe raps.
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds
I don't understand why this bill ever made it
to the floor of the Senate under Democratic
leadership...
So, why do you suppose the majority of the U.S.
Senate opposed the Udall amendment?
raunchydog:
Wall Street bankers buy politicians to make laws
favoring their
The truth is that most Buddhist mantras have origins in the
purana/tantra practice of India which is Hindu/Jain
in composition...
Most mantras from the vajrayana paths were revealed - or
re-revealed if you prefer...
emptybill:
Alex Sanderson shows in his analysis of
authfriend:
No, they didn't. Please read the Wikipedia article I
recommended to John and inform yourself:
Thanks for the information!
More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages came from
private lending institutions in 2006 and the share of
subprime loans insured by Fannie Mae and
No, not the band - Barney and Maxine!
Rep. Barney Frank's Monday decision to retire will
remove one of the staunchest defenders of Fannie Mae
and Freddie Mac and may replace the Massachusetts
Democrat with an even stauncher defender, California
Rep. Maxine Waters. . . . Waters, who has
Well, I've given up on moving up to Vedic City,
after reading what you guys said about it. And,
it looks like moving to Sonoma CA, to be near
my daughter would cost me a fortune!
Last summer I checked out Deadwood, S.D.,
somewhere west of Laramie, and that didn't
impress me, although I
raunchydog:
Vaj's photo appears to be old St. Mary's Catholic Church...
We've got a few Catholic churches down here too. LoL!
http://www.nps.gov/saan/planyourvisit/sanjose.htm
Robert:
Is there any sound which isn't 'made up'?
A 'bija' mantra is whatever your guru says it is.
It could be a sound, a mental image, or a symbolic
device such as a yantra, or just a thought. In
deep meditation TMers only use non-semantic sounds
as simple mnemonic device for
Bob Price:
Does anyone else have a picture for Sal, lets be
fair.
Let's be fair Bob - you haven't even posted a photo
of yourself yet, so how would Sal know if she wanted
to share a photo of herself with you?
raunchydog:
Clowns are not funny. They're scary. President Newt
would have poor children clean toilets and their
grandmothers starve...
Oh my Gawd - another crises and panic! This sounds
like politics as usual. Don't you just hate that SOB
Newt Gingrich!!! Who the hell does he think he
emptybill:
Go look up sphota and shabda brahman. Shabda is
more than the perishable sounds of human speech...
According to the Indian mythology 'mantra' is the
'primary sound of the universe', called 'Shabd' in
Sanskrit. In the Rig Veda Shabd is personified as
'Vac', the first primal
maskedzebra:
Is this to provide cover for your two previous
posts? As in: if I post something impersonal
like this it will tend to lend some legitimacy,
and thus credibility, to my previous two violent
and abusive (and empty of all meaning) posts.
Looks like you really nailed this
Apparently you only gave a cursory look at Sanderson's
Webpage. He has plenty of material demonstrating Buddhist
textual borrowing from Shaiva tantric texts...
Vaj:
In fact certain specific togal practices can be found
in later shaivite texts, after their bonpo originals...
What
Bhairitu:
The sheeple
So, you're thinking that you're part of the 1%,
and the rest are the 99% - sheeple, but you're
wearing a 99% button? You are not making any
sense at all.
watch too much FOX News and are essentially
biological androids. Even in this blue of blue
areas of the country
But then I've predicted there may well not be an election
next November. Welcome to life if fascist Amerika.
authfriend:
You've been warning they might call off the next election
for *years*, Bhairitu:
We need to get a lot more activist and not just hope that
we can vote them out in
johnlasher:
Left unresolved by the new language is just
exactly what is constitutional when it comes to
detaining American citizens in the United States.
But opponents of the original provision said at
least it would remain up to judges, not
politicians...
I'm not in favor of having
shukra69:
this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by
slander on your part isn't it Vag?
Vaj:
I feel that all recent information relating to the
TMO's dark side would be relevant, esp. material
that relates to the traditional problems meditation
can cause - and the hope for
So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to
explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual
teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything
about the TM or the TMO? Go figure.
Vaj:
Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to
explore other meditation
johnlasher:
What if someone said YOU were connected to terrorism,
no trial just their accusation off you go. It's OK
for you as long as it doesn't happen to you. Total
self centeredness.
So, you'd opt for a public trial in downtown New York
City for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and a jury
Jason:
Should this suffice?
Get a grip, Jason!
You're thinking Senator Levin and 61 elected U.S.
leaders, including sixteen Democrats are worse than Nazis? What
happened to the new, less inflammotory rhetoric in politics?
Sounds like you've got lots of our elected leaders in your crosshairs!
emptybill:
I already addressed this in a post about the
primal bijas of Rig-Veda, all pointed out by
Brahmarshi Daivarata.
You keep avoiding the question: Where do the TM
bija mantras come from?
If you don't know, just admit it. If you read them
in a book, say so. But, at least try to
turquoiseb:
Maharishi managed to sell positions of influence and power for the
same
price, but in an *imaginary* country. Now *that* is hucksterism.
Apparently the two most influential teachers in your whole life were
'hucksters'?
So, what does that make you? LoL!
Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to
explore other meditation methods.
From what I've read, Dana Sawyer is not a graduate of
M.U.M., and his name does not appear on the TMO list of
approved teachers or lecturers...
authfriend:
The names of teachers who have
I already addressed this in a post about the
primal bijas of Rig-Veda, all pointed out by
Brahmarshi Daivarata.
You keep avoiding the question: Where do the TM
bija mantras come from?
Vaj:
He does not know.
Well, Vaj and emptybill don't know, and if Rick Archer
and Dana
Bhairitu:
So why are we there?
To help the Afghans get free from the Taliban?
The United States and the West walked away from
Afghanistan once before. When we did, the country
became a base for religious fanatics who made the
execution of women a sporting event and who
eventually
Robert:
I still disagree with you, in that I heard
that there is a major oil pipeline there being
built that goes across Afghanistan into Turkey.
Gawd, I hope so, instead of building it to China!
What we really need is some shovel-ready jobs in
America, like pipelines, so we can continue
So why are we there?
To help the Afghans get free from the Taliban?
Bhairitu:
No, because that is NONE of our business...
So, you're thinking that being part of NATO isn't
any of our business.
You're thinking the U.S. should just walk away
from our treaty obligations. Go figure.
Perhaps it's this book? :
Cosmic Capitalism, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Selling of
Romanticism. (Albany: State University of New York Press,
forthcoming, Fall 2009). Co-written with Cynthia Humes.
authfriend:
If that's it, it's a bit behind schedule, it seems. The
SUNY Press
Bhairitu:
Those who get their information from FOX News to maintain
their confusion, deserve neither liberty...
So, you're opposed to free speech. This sound very un-American.
Maybe you're the one that should lose his liberty! Everyone
knows you listen to Alex Jones on Clear Channel
Robert:
It's not so 'black and white'...The Taliban did
some good also...
According to a 55-page report by the United Nations,
the Taliban, while trying to consolidate control
over northern and western Afghanistan, committed
systematic massacres against civilians.
UN officials stated
Those who get their information from FOX News to
maintain their confusion, deserve neither liberty
nor safety.
Vaj:
As you probably already now a third scientific study
has been published on FOX news which shows that someone
who watches FOX news knows less than someone who
Bhairitu:
So why aren't we bombing Saudi Arabia?
If we did that, you would have no oil or gas
for your Japanese car - you'd be walking. How
far would you have to walk to get to the store
where you buy your Chinese gizmos?
Those who get their information from FOX News to maintain
their confusion, deserve neither liberty...
So, you're opposed to free speech. This sound very un-American.
Maybe you're the one that should lose his liberty! Everyone
knows you listen to Alex Jones on Clear Channel Radio!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:
seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
. . . .it's been my observation that Edg also has his own problems
with always dealing straight up with people.
GO FUCKING FIGURE YOU ROTTEN ASSHOLE!
EVEN THOUGH THAT DOG-ASS LICKIN'
Bob Price:
Willy was upsetting you with those photos of Rama...
Barry himself has written the most embarassing Rama
stories. There's something funny about almost every
guru or teacher.
http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/index.html
But, I actually liked Fred Lenz - I love almost all
I suspect we'll eventually find out some heretofore
unknown properties of human DNA. It's really just a matter of time.
Bhairitu:
That's because there are mantras that can control
many of the facets of body functioning...
So, you're thinking that a thought could actualy cause
a
Spy drone captured by foreign country...
obbajeeba:
All the more reason to go and kill more brown people?
Iranians are not 'brown people', they are Indo Europeans.
The majority of modern Iranians actually descend from the
Medes, who formed the bulk of the peoples of ancient
Persia,
All the more reason to go and kill more brown people?
Iranians are not 'brown people', they are Indo Europeans.
The majority of modern Iranians actually descend from the
Medes, who formed the bulk of the peoples of ancient
Persia, originally from the Caucasus mountains.
emptybill:
That's because there are mantras that can control
many of the facets of body functioning...
So, you're thinking that a thought could actualy
cause a physiological change in the human body?
Bhairitu:
Thinking?
TM is a great relaxation technique, but it cannot cause
physical
That's because there are mantras that can control
many of the facets of body functioning...
So, you're thinking that a thought could actualy
cause a physiological change in the human body?
Thinking?
TM is a great relaxation technique, but it cannot cause
zarzari:
...caste! For Indians, its all in the blood.
The Indian 'caste' system is based on birth-curcumstances,
'jati', not on skin color or blood type. Jati pertains to
class - social and economic conditions in clans, tribes,
communities and sub-communities and linguistics.
maskedzebra:
Is anyone going to help me here?
Hope this helps you understand what you're dealing
with, Robin.
Uncle Tantra (UT) is suffering from acute Narcissism.
Because he dropped-out of both TM and Rama's program he
needs to rewrite history and trash religious groups
that he once
It is a conditioning of the nervous system.
Enlightenment doesn't have anything to do with the
human nervous system. If it did, we could see it
and measure it and replicate it.
The enlightened state is a state of mind; a state
where we percieve reality as it really is.
The new generation of Stooges fans would like to
see the same slapstick applied in a modern setting.
It could be a possible hit here.
Bhairitu:
They get that watching a Republican debate.
So, you've been watching Fox News - thought so.
99% of the worlds population earn less than
zarzari:
Nobody spoke of blood type. Think of idioms
like `its in the blood`...
The 'caste system' in India is a foreign idea,
imported into South Asia with the arrival of
the Arya-speakers from the Caucasus area. The
native inhabitants did not have a social system
based on skin color or
Bhairitu:
It is a conditioning of the nervous system.
Enlightenment doesn't have anything to do with the
human nervous system. If it did, we could see it
and measure it and replicate it.
The enlightened state is a state of mind; a state
where we percieve reality as it really is.
This is a winner!!!
turquoiseb:
Call me crazy, but I prefer -- both on the Internet
and in real life -- having conversations with people
whose definition of the word conversation does not
include the word win.
That's really how I see things. I participate in Inter-
net chat forums
Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably
accomplished as a Vedic/Hindu scholar, who considers
MMY to be the real deal.
Vaj:
And while your at it, you should also try to get a
copy of the recent interview with SBS's successor...
This would prove nothing because everyone
sparaig:
one of my favorite quotes from MMY:
Spiritual and Material Values
Every experience has its level of physiology, and
so unbounded awareness has its own level of physiology
which can be measured. Every aspect of life is integrated
and connected with every other phase. When we
And while your at it, you should also try to get
a copy of the recent interview with SBS's
successor.
sparaig:
The current successor wasn't even at the ashram
when SBS died, He was studying with another guru.
Apparently SBS passed away in Calcutta and only three
others were
...according to the dogma, a person can't be
both enlightened AND crazy...
Good topic Barry...
turquoiseb:
As for intellectual clarity, have you ever
read any of the books by Chogyam Trungpa? Some
are utterly brilliant, despite the fact (as we
know now) that he was totally
curtisdeltablues:
Your response really makes me think Richard.
I am reading a book that explores this question
from a slightly different angle. It is called,
The Mind and the Brain, neuroplasticity and the
power of mental force. by Schwarty and Beggley.
Thanks for the info.
zarzari:
Maharishi came from one of the most conservative
traditions in India. He would never teach us the
Gayatri mantra, would he?
The recitation of the Gayatri isn't neccesary in the
practice of TM. That's because the Gayatri isn't
considered a bija mantra in the Tantric Tradition.
cardemaister:
Basics of Sanskrit grammar in a couple of minutes?
The first thing to be done is to memorize the Sankrit
ABCs and be able to recognize them on flash cards.
Then, you can go on to grammar and syntax. This will
take at least an hour or two, unless you have a
photographic memory, or
So, for Yifu, oral sex is the most important issue in the
next U.S. presidental election. Go figure.
This is a weak Republican field with two significantly
flawed front-runners contesting an immensely important
election. If Obama wins, he will take the country to a
place from which it will
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