[FairfieldLife] Dai Gohonzon (was Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---You're overly intellectualizing what is a matter of experience. Hsuan Hua clearly expressed his disapproval of Nichiren's Buddhism and the Gohonzon, (to me, directly). That was the experience. His or yours? What does this have to do with pratimoksha vows. Get out of your ivory tower. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptybill@ wrote: Heresy means to personally choose a particular belief in opposition to some previously established orthodox belief. Heterodoxy is simply to choose all on one's own without regard to orthodoxy. Hsuan Hua was observing Chinese Buddhist monastic vinaya. Unless you were a monk in full possession of the pratimoksha vows neither you nor he could be in heretical antipathy to the other's practice. As far as differences and separations, you began your posted comments with Buddhist versus Hindu so you edged yourself out of discussing them in terms that were reflective of mutuality. Tathata is Sanskrit for thusness. Entity is Latin for ens - a being. These are well established terms without a lot of mystery to them. Dai means Great as in the Dai of Dainichi or the Maha in mahayana and mahamudra. Gohonzon is an object of veneration. You apparently venerate the proclamation that the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren are the same and in the same manner that Dharma and Buddha are sometimes worshiped as the same. This means you are probably here to proselytize us at FFL for SGI. yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: ---You're looking at differences and separations. The Gohonzon integrates mutually agreeable M-fields and tends to demolish those getting in the way. True, Hsuan Hua didn't approve of the Gohonzon which I showed him once. Nichiren's Buddhism was heretical to him. However, his habit of eating only once per day before noon is heretical to me since I have low blood sugar and have to eat continually throughout the day. I had such pre-noon meals with him on a number of occasions. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptybill@ wrote: Don't know much about Nichiren. Dai Gohonzon sounds like a Japanese description of Kegon's riji-muge (interpenetration and mutual identity between particulars in Indra's net). Recent Activity 4 New Members 1 New Photos 3 New Links Visit Your Group Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Real Food Group Share recipes and favorite meals w/ Real Food lovers. Dog Fanatics on Yahoo! Groups Find people who are crazy about dogs. . - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
[FairfieldLife] Dai Gohonzon (was Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC)
Don't know much about Nichiren. Dai Gohonzon sounds like a Japanese description of Kegon's riji-muge (interpenetration and mutual identity between particulars in Indra's net). I presume that the true entity is tathata or tathata-garbha if you prefer. Buddha sees nothing but Buddha. So you do dharani-s from and to the multi-form Buddha? By the way, didn't Nichiren call Zenji-s self-power devils? Don't think Hsuan Hua would agree. Also, I doubt Nichiren would approve of Padmasambhava - particularly, Vajrakila the Yidam which he gave as a first sadhana. Why don't you collapse your multiple identities here on FFL and give up the parade. Tell us about your background is so we can't understand the context of your dialog. Also - there no such thing as Buddhist tathata, as you know. These are all concepts, which you also know. Why make the separation except to be polemical? empty tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---empty bill, you are a very astute observer and have keen insight!. How many? Ans: many!! - but all will be explained in due time; but for now all I can say is that it's the power of the GOHONZON which reflects many facets of the one hologram; into one living organism, with no danger of the separate parts flying off into separateness. Thus, one can reconcile the various parts without conflictyet, the whole and relationship between the parts remain Buddhist, not Hindu. There are certain advantages in Buddhism over Hinduism, but the core nature of the advantage(s) can't be addressed through the type of intellectual analysis going on in this forum. (not to put such analysis down, but it's limited, not entering into direct cognition of the Buddhist true entity, represented by the Gohonzon). ps. The foregoing is not intended to make sense. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how many of you inhabit you? Please explain. Message #146579 August 15th, 2007 - --- Tertonzeno wrote: --Thanks, I'm a Buddhist and don't accept Patanjali as an Authority. Message #145659 , August 16th, 2007 Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, on Buddhist practice, I'll get more into this later. I practice TM but my Buddhist Guru is Hsuan Hua; whom I used to visit during the 70's: Message #147828, August 30, 2007 - Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, Lahiri Mahasay is the lineage Uncle of my Kriya yoga Guru (initiated me into Kriya yoga in 1982 - Swami Satyeswarananda). d. he could perform the Kriya of out of body travel at will (mentioned by Patanjani), involving the mudra of connecting his tongue to his uvula. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
[FairfieldLife] Dai Gohonzon (was Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC)
---You're looking at differences and separations. The Gohonzon integrates mutually agreeable M-fields and tends to demolish those getting in the way. True, Hsuan Hua didn't approve of the Gohonzon which I showed him once. Nichiren's Buddhism was heretical to him. However, his habit of eating only once per day before noon is heretical to me since I have low blood sugar and have to eat continually throughout the day. I had such pre-noon meals with him on a number of occasions. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know much about Nichiren. Dai Gohonzon sounds like a Japanese description of Kegon's riji-muge (interpenetration and mutual identity between particulars in Indra's net). I presume that the true entity is tathata or tathata-garbha if you prefer. Buddha sees nothing but Buddha. So you do dharani-s from and to the multi-form Buddha? By the way, didn't Nichiren call Zenji-s self-power devils? Don't think Hsuan Hua would agree. Also, I doubt Nichiren would approve of Padmasambhava - particularly, Vajrakila the Yidam which he gave as a first sadhana. Why don't you collapse your multiple identities here on FFL and give up the parade. Tell us about your background is so we can't understand the context of your dialog. Also - there no such thing as Buddhist tathata, as you know. These are all concepts, which you also know. Why make the separation except to be polemical? empty tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---empty bill, you are a very astute observer and have keen insight!. How many? Ans: many!! - but all will be explained in due time; but for now all I can say is that it's the power of the GOHONZON which reflects many facets of the one hologram; into one living organism, with no danger of the separate parts flying off into separateness. Thus, one can reconcile the various parts without conflictyet, the whole and relationship between the parts remain Buddhist, not Hindu. There are certain advantages in Buddhism over Hinduism, but the core nature of the advantage(s) can't be addressed through the type of intellectual analysis going on in this forum. (not to put such analysis down, but it's limited, not entering into direct cognition of the Buddhist true entity, represented by the Gohonzon). ps. The foregoing is not intended to make sense. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptybill@ wrote: So how many of you inhabit you? Please explain. Message #146579 August 15th, 2007 - --- Tertonzeno wrote: --Thanks, I'm a Buddhist and don't accept Patanjali as an Authority. Message #145659 , August 16th, 2007 Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, on Buddhist practice, I'll get more into this later. I practice TM but my Buddhist Guru is Hsuan Hua; whom I used to visit during the 70's: Message #147828, August 30, 2007 - Tertonzeno wrote: ---Thanks, Lahiri Mahasay is the lineage Uncle of my Kriya yoga Guru (initiated me into Kriya yoga in 1982 - Swami Satyeswarananda). d. he could perform the Kriya of out of body travel at will (mentioned by Patanjani), involving the mudra of connecting his tongue to his uvula. - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dai Gohonzon (was Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC)
Heresy means to personally choose a particular belief in opposition to some previously established orthodox belief. Heterodoxy is simply to choose all on one's own without regard to orthodoxy. Hsuan Hua was observing Chinese Buddhist monastic vinaya. Unless you were a monk in full possession of the pratimoksha vows neither you nor he could be in heretical antipathy to the other's practice. As far as differences and separations, you began your posted comments with Buddhist versus Hindu so you edged yourself out of discussing them in terms that were reflective of mutuality. Tathata is Sanskrit for thusness. Entity is Latin for ens - a being. These are well established terms without a lot of mystery to them. Dai means Great as in the Dai of Dainichi or the Maha in mahayana and mahamudra. Gohonzon is an object of veneration. You apparently venerate the proclamation that the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren are the same and in the same manner that Dharma and Buddha are sometimes worshiped as the same. This means you are probably here to proselytize us at FFL for SGI. yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---You're looking at differences and separations. The Gohonzon integrates mutually agreeable M-fields and tends to demolish those getting in the way. True, Hsuan Hua didn't approve of the Gohonzon which I showed him once. Nichiren's Buddhism was heretical to him. However, his habit of eating only once per day before noon is heretical to me since I have low blood sugar and have to eat continually throughout the day. I had such pre-noon meals with him on a number of occasions. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know much about Nichiren. Dai Gohonzon sounds like a Japanese description of Kegon's riji-muge (interpenetration and mutual identity between particulars in Indra's net). Recent Activity 4 New Members 1 New Photos 3 New Links Visit Your Group Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Real Food Group Share recipes and favorite meals w/ Real Food lovers. Dog Fanatics on Yahoo! Groups Find people who are crazy about dogs. . - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
[FairfieldLife] Dai Gohonzon (was Re: Lahiri Mahasaya on CC)
---You're overly intellectualizing what is a matter of experience. Hsuan Hua clearly expressed his disapproval of Nichiren's Buddhism and the Gohonzon, (to me, directly). That was the experience. What does this have to do with pratimoksha vows. Get out of your ivory tower. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heresy means to personally choose a particular belief in opposition to some previously established orthodox belief. Heterodoxy is simply to choose all on one's own without regard to orthodoxy. Hsuan Hua was observing Chinese Buddhist monastic vinaya. Unless you were a monk in full possession of the pratimoksha vows neither you nor he could be in heretical antipathy to the other's practice. As far as differences and separations, you began your posted comments with Buddhist versus Hindu so you edged yourself out of discussing them in terms that were reflective of mutuality. Tathata is Sanskrit for thusness. Entity is Latin for ens - a being. These are well established terms without a lot of mystery to them. Dai means Great as in the Dai of Dainichi or the Maha in mahayana and mahamudra. Gohonzon is an object of veneration. You apparently venerate the proclamation that the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren are the same and in the same manner that Dharma and Buddha are sometimes worshiped as the same. This means you are probably here to proselytize us at FFL for SGI. yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---You're looking at differences and separations. The Gohonzon integrates mutually agreeable M-fields and tends to demolish those getting in the way. True, Hsuan Hua didn't approve of the Gohonzon which I showed him once. Nichiren's Buddhism was heretical to him. However, his habit of eating only once per day before noon is heretical to me since I have low blood sugar and have to eat continually throughout the day. I had such pre-noon meals with him on a number of occasions. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptybill@ wrote: Don't know much about Nichiren. Dai Gohonzon sounds like a Japanese description of Kegon's riji-muge (interpenetration and mutual identity between particulars in Indra's net). Recent Activity 4 New Members 1 New Photos 3 New Links Visit Your Group Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Real Food Group Share recipes and favorite meals w/ Real Food lovers. Dog Fanatics on Yahoo! Groups Find people who are crazy about dogs. . - Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
