[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa [1974-2014+]

2019-12-03 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 The Fairfield Meditating Community: Yep, in process should have 'mission' well 
described to develop and have successful policy. Editing from their memo, this 
is a good start at describing who we are:
 

 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national consciousness. .. our 
Super-Radiance community includes all the Meditators as well as the families of 
all the Sidhas and Meditators.”
 

 -Buck in the Dome
 

 Well, the memo is a needed advocacy for the community here..
 
 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national consciousness. .. our 
Super-Radiance community includes all the Meditators as well as the families of 
all the Sidhas and Meditators.”
 

 The Super-Radiance Community paragraphs at the bottom of the memo are 
important ones that are now actively adding meditators in to policy description 
of the broader Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County meditation community. 
As a change in course this particularly is a substantial one to notice. That is 
new and a new welcome thought.
 

 While the larger attempt at transparency is a frank signature element of the 
change; however, the definition of the Fairfield meditating community away from 
just the TM-sidha/yogic flying TSR Dome-going community to include [TM] 
meditators of the community as the Super-Radiance Community is the substantial 
change.
 

 Loaded down old super-tankers don't change course quickly. This is an attempt 
at a major change of direction even in Fairfield where there are so many old 
meditators of the TM movement and most who live as meditators in the meditating 
community without much of any relationship to the organization. I wish the 
corporate TM organization all good shipping through the chop of the narrows 
they are sailing through. -Buck in the Dome
 

 Pablum? No, actually this memo is a major and conscious policy change. Most 
you don't live in Fairfield or have nothing to do with meditating Fairfield. 
Possibly you are or were once practicing meditators. This particular memo as 
sent out is actually a really important change of direction. By policy 
initiative it is an attempt to organizationally soften, facilitate, re-gather 
and include meditators again by policy in to the interests of the TM movement. 
 

 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for whatever reason left to founder the meditators and 
the meditating movement un-attended from late in the 1970's shifting his 
attention on to programs for advanced meditators around yogic flying and the 
TM-Sidhis and monumental projects for creating Heaven on Earth. So it was and 
so it is; and, the meditating element of the movement crescendo-ed from those 
days and times of higher point. Now as part of a practical process of 
succession planning the re-inclusion of 'the meditator' is back in to a 
definition of our corporate communal policy as essential formative element. 
This is a huge strategic change in direction being brought about by some savvy 
old [retirement-aged] field teachers of TM as recognized necessity. The 
TM-teaching movement is once again being generally successful and this policy 
move is timely and strategically helpful towards unifying and supporting that 
larger regeneration of a meditating movement otherwise. It is a purposeful 
organizational realignment of priority and also significant to what is communal 
meditating and non-meditating Fairfield.
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 Rick Archer posts:
 Raja John Hagelin wrote:
 

 
 February 26, 2014
 Dear Sidhas and Meditators of Fairfield, Maharishi Vedic City, and Jefferson 
County,
 Over the last couple of years we have been making some structural changes and, 
we hope, significant improvements in how our Super-Radiance community 
functions. It is all for the purpose of giving you a better experience of 
living here and doing program in our flying halls—deeper programs, more fun, 
more friendliness, better service, more transparency, inclusiveness, due 
process, and community spirit. I’d like to lay out for you how our 
Super-Radiance community is organized these days. I’ve also included a couple 
of organizational charts below so you can see how everything fits together. 
 The Invincible America Assembly
 The Invincible America Assembly consists of every Sidha who has a dome badge 
and attends group program. You don’t need to be rounding to be on the 
Invincible America Assembly—although rounding is an extraordinary experience in 
our special dome atmosphere.
 The Invincible America Solutions Group
 The Invincible America Solutions 

[FairfieldLife] In Meditating Fairfield, Iowa

2016-11-27 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FW: 
 ..But these achievements are just the tip of the iceberg. We have just emerged 
from a weekend strategic summit with our University brain trust, where we set a 
path for rapid expansion and strengthening of all aspects of the University: 
bolstering student satisfaction, retention, and enrollment; improving faculty 
skills, credentials, compensation, housing, and benefits—including retirement 
benefits; enhancing our ability to inspire our students with Maharishi’s unique 
knowledge and vision, deepening their experiences with Advanced Techniques and 
the TM-Sidhis; strengthening our core academic programs; and expanding programs 
that will have the greatest positive financial impact, thereby providing the 
economic engine to fulfill all these other vital commitments.

 

 
 With my deepest thanks for your timely support, and with my sincere wishes for 
your health, happiness and success.
   John Hagelin, Ph.D.
President
 



[FairfieldLife] Fw: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa - Providing Food Security to Families in Developing Countries

2016-09-05 Thread Doug Hamilton dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]




 
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| Sustainable living student Kim StrubellWith the help of Charity Seeds, 
families are growing corn and beans in Kenya Kenyan Children helping to 
transport seedlings to the farmGrowing local vegetables such as tree collards 
in Kenya | Kim Strubell — Providing Food Security to Families in Developing 
CountriesMUM student Kim Strubell has practiced the Transcendental Meditation® 
technique for over 40 years and has had many careers, including construction 
and furniture sales. During a business trip to Panama in 2006, Kim witnessed 
the environmental devastation of corporate influence among the indigenous 
population. He decided to turn his attention to sustainability and return to 
school.Kim enrolled in MUM’s sustainable living program and, after receiving 
his undergraduate degree in 2015, continued with the master’s program. “The 
sustainable living program is excellent,” said Kim. “The professors are the 
most important part. We had some teachers that gave us world-class education. 
This program is for change-makers.”Kim has been busy applying what he has 
learned in class. With the help of his son Garrett, he has built an 
off-the-grid, zero net energy home that is surrounded by a small organic farm. 
Six years ago, Kim funded a nonprofit organization called Charity Seeds, along 
with MUM alumna Christina Ring. They are helping small-scale famers become 
self-reliant through sustainable growing methods so that they can feed their 
families.Kim is partnering with John Jeavons’ organization that trains teachers 
in John’s Grow Biointensive Sustainable Mini-Farming methods. These teachers 
recruit the farmers and Charity Seeds provides them with seeds and trains them 
how to save their seeds at the end of the growing season. Over the past six 
years, they have helped install 12,000 small farms in Kenya and Uganda. In 
addition, in those two countries, they are now building gardens and food 
forests around schools and teaching children how to grow their own food.As his 
thesis project, Kim is opening up a new Charity Seeds hub in Ecuador. In 
addition to teaching farmers how to grow food sustainably, his organization is 
also planning to support local artists, who turn seeds into jewelry, by selling 
their hand-made products online. “We will make sure the whole process is 
sustainable and benefits their lives,” said Kim. The project is also planning 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa [1974-2014+]

2015-10-20 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
# 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Fairfield Meditating Community: Yep, in process should have 'mission' well 
described to develop and have successful policy. Editing from their memo, this 
is a good start at describing who we are:
 

 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national consciousness. .. our 
Super-Radiance community includes all the Meditators as well as the families of 
all the Sidhas and Meditators.”
 

 -Buck in the Dome
 

 Well, the memo is a needed advocacy for the community here..
 
 “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a 
transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the 
Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, 
for the sake of bringing coherence to national consciousness. .. our 
Super-Radiance community includes all the Meditators as well as the families of 
all the Sidhas and Meditators.”
 

 The Super-Radiance Community paragraphs at the bottom of the memo are 
important ones that are now actively adding meditators in to policy description 
of the broader Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County meditation community. 
As a change in course this particularly is a substantial one to notice. That is 
new and a new welcome thought.
 

 While the larger attempt at transparency is a frank signature element of the 
change; however, the definition of the Fairfield meditating community away from 
just the TM-sidha/yogic flying TSR Dome-going community to include [TM] 
meditators of the community as the Super-Radiance Community is the substantial 
change.
 

 Loaded down old super-tankers don't change course quickly. This is an attempt 
at a major change of direction even in Fairfield where there are so many old 
meditators of the TM movement and most who live as meditators in the meditating 
community without much of any relationship to the organization. I wish the 
corporate TM organization all good shipping through the chop of the narrows 
they are sailing through. -Buck in the Dome
 

 Pablum? No, actually this memo is a major and conscious policy change. Most 
you don't live in Fairfield or have nothing to do with meditating Fairfield. 
Possibly you are or were once practicing meditators. This particular memo as 
sent out is actually a really important change of direction. By policy 
initiative it is an attempt to organizationally soften, facilitate, re-gather 
and include meditators again by policy in to the interests of the TM movement. 
 

 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for whatever reason left to founder the meditators and 
the meditating movement un-attended from late in the 1970's shifting his 
attention on to programs for advanced meditators around yogic flying and the 
TM-Sidhis and monumental projects for creating Heaven on Earth. So it was and 
so it is; and, the meditating element of the movement crescendo-ed from those 
days and times of higher point. Now as part of a practical process of 
succession planning the re-inclusion of 'the meditator' is back in to a 
definition of our corporate communal policy as essential formative element. 
This is a huge strategic change in direction being brought about by some savvy 
old [retirement-aged] field teachers of TM as recognized necessity. The 
TM-teaching movement is once again being generally successful and this policy 
move is timely and strategically helpful towards unifying and supporting that 
larger regeneration of a meditating movement otherwise. It is a purposeful 
organizational realignment of priority and also significant to what is communal 
meditating and non-meditating Fairfield.
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 Rick Archer posts:
 Raja John Hagelin wrote:
 

 
 February 26, 2014
 Dear Sidhas and Meditators of Fairfield, Maharishi Vedic City, and Jefferson 
County,
 Over the last couple of years we have been making some structural changes and, 
we hope, significant improvements in how our Super-Radiance community 
functions. It is all for the purpose of giving you a better experience of 
living here and doing program in our flying halls—deeper programs, more fun, 
more friendliness, better service, more transparency, inclusiveness, due 
process, and community spirit. I’d like to lay out for you how our 
Super-Radiance community is organized these days. I’ve also included a couple 
of organizational charts below so you can see how everything fits together. 
 The Invincible America Assembly
 The Invincible America Assembly consists of every Sidha who has a dome badge 
and attends group program. You don’t need to be rounding to be on the 
Invincible America Assembly—although rounding is an extraordinary experience in 
our special dome atmosphere.
 

[FairfieldLife] How's Meditating Fairfield, Iowa Doing?

2015-10-05 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I just returned from a scholar's conference on Communal Societies. Spent the 
past week traveling to the Lexington, Ky area for the annual meeting of the 
Communal Studies Association. http://www.communalstudies.org/ 
http://www.communalstudies.org/
 

 The conference is three days of scholarly papers on groups like ours here in 
Fairfield, Iowa multiple sessions with papers being delivered on 20 minute 
intervals. 2015 Paper schedule: 
http://www.communalstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Pleasant-Hill-Program-12-Sept-15.pdf
 
http://www.communalstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Pleasant-Hill-Program-12-Sept-15.pdf
 
 

 They host their annual meetings at historic sites of communal societies. This 
year their conference was at the historic Shaker village of Pleasant Hill. The 
historic site at Pleasant Hill is of a historic ashram-like spiritual group 
with many features similar to our own here in Fairfield, Iowa. 
http://shakervillageky.org/ http://shakervillageky.org/
 
 

 About 130 association members came to this years conference. Lot of the 
scholars teach at the university level who use the Communal Studies Association 
to be able to present papers in conference or publish in the association's 
journal. Also there were papers given by people  who live in communal groups of 
various types. 
 
 
 I've been attending these conferences for a number of years now. Most all the 
papers are interesting and relevant to Fairfield in some way by comparison as 
criticism. I always go away from these conferences with relevant things that I 
will think about for the following year.
 
 
 I have gone enough times to their annual conference that folks in this 
association know me as the person from Fairfield, Iowa and folks at the 
conference will then often ask me in conversation how it is going for the 
meditating group here?
 

 Of course there are layers to answering this question. Well, on returning home 
to Fairfield, Iowa from the CSA annual conference I drove in just in time for 
the weekly shape note harmony sing in Fairfield. In the Sacred Harp tune book 
there is a song titled, The Church's Desolation. The last verse of the text is 
a pretty good paraphrased succinct description of 'how it is going' in 
Fairfield for the contemporary meditating community. The Church's Desolation is 
a real fine tune to sing by example of the genre with great harmony and 
poignant narrative in the text. Verse 3, like meditating Fairfield, Iowa:  
 

  Some few, like good Elijah, stand
 While thousands have revolted,
In earnest for the heav'nly land
They never yet have halted.
With such religion doth remain, 
For they are not perverted;
O may they all through men regain

 The glory that's departed.  
 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa on the 4th of July 2014

2014-07-04 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Meditating Fairfield, Iowa [1974-2014-]
 
 
 There are times when the world asks ordinary people to do extraordinary things.
 

 

 From this day to the ending of the world we transcendentalists in it shall be 
proudly remembered. We lucky few, we band of brothers and sisters for thee all 
who today came to meditate for all with us shall be of my family. We all shall 
always be indebted, in your honor.  4th of July 2014,
 -Buck in the Dome  
 





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa on the 4th of July 2014

2014-07-04 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
After program come join us for Bar B Que, Hot dogs and Beer!  


On Friday, July 4, 2014 8:13 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  


  
Meditating Fairfield, Iowa
[1974-2014-] 
 
There are
times when the world asks ordinary people to do extraordinary things.


From
this day to the ending of the world we transcendentalists in it shall be 
proudly remembered. We
lucky few, we band of brothers and sisters for thee all who today
came to meditate for all with us shall be of my family.  We all shall always
be indebted, in your honor.  4th of July 2014,
-Buck in the Dome  
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa on the 4th of July 2014

2014-07-04 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
mdixon.6569 writes :

 
 After program come join us for Bar B Que, Hot dogs and Beer!
 

 

 Buck writes:
 
   Meditating Fairfield, Iowa [1974-2014-]
 

 There are times when the world asks ordinary people to do extraordinary things.
 

 

 From this day to the ending of the world we transcendentalists in it shall be 
proudly remembered. We lucky few, we band of brothers and sisters for thee all 
who today came to meditate for all with us shall be of my family. We all shall 
always be indebted, in your honor.  4th of July 2014 in Fairfield,
 -Buck in the Dome  
 




 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa on the 4th of July 2014

2014-07-04 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
On Solid Rock All Else is Sinking Sand..
 As an old and experienced meditator, 
 _l. My hope is built on nothing less
Than in abiding experience of the Unified Field transcendent, Science and their 
righteousness;
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly lean on Its Being.
 Refrain:
On The Unified Field transcendent, The Solid Rock, I stand;
All other ground is sinking sand,
All other ground is sinking sand.
 _2.When darkness veils Its lovely face,
I rest on Its unchanging grace;
In every high and stormy gale,
My anchor holds within the veil.
 _3.Its natural law, its covenant, in source
Support me in the whelming flood;
When all around my soul gives way,
It then is all my hope and stay.
 _4.When It shall come with triumphant sound,
Oh, may I then in It be found;
Dressed in Its righteousness alone,
Faultless to stand alongside Its throne.
 Om.
 

 mdixon.6569 writes :

 
 After program come join us for Bar B Que, Hot dogs and Beer!
 

 

 Buck writes:
 
   Meditating Fairfield, Iowa [1974-2014-]
 

 There are times when the world asks ordinary people to do extraordinary things.
 

 

 From this day to the ending of the world we transcendentalists in it shall be 
proudly remembered. We lucky few, we band of brothers and sisters for thee all 
who today came to meditate for all with us shall be of my family. We all shall 
always be indebted, in your honor.  4th of July 2014 in Fairfield,
 -Buck in the Dome  
 




 


 














[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-04-25 Thread anartaxius
Buck, it seems to me that the TM generation while still current is past, so I 
am wondering what you think the characteristics of its spiritual successors 
will be. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 

 It seems every generation or two, probably all through human time someone 
comes and re-expresses the ultimate teaching of transcendence as spirituality 
in life that way. Like the Unity movement in its time or TM in our time.
 

 For some time now it appears that there is a trend of spirituality gradually 
divorcing itself from its historical religious roots and belief structures. To 
some extent Maharishi did this, but was not completely sincere in intent, but 
now that the TM org is ossifying its 'canon', it is no longer free of such 
fetters and will no longer serve this trend. What form do you think the 
mythology of transcendence will take in the light of these shifts in 
understanding? There are trends in science and psychology that would seem to 
indicate the metaphysical interpretation of human experience will simply be 
left behind as an historical curiosity.
 

 






































[FairfieldLife] Re: [Meditating] Fairfield, Iowa Life

2014-04-03 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Thanks for the encouragement, jr. Spring rains happening here today. Yep, I am 
running low of time indoors now with the end of winter here in Iowa. Still got 
some things remaining that are unfinished here. I never finished my paper on 
Quaker meditators coming to Fairfield. A long time ago I published a paper in 
Friends Journal about old Quaker Meditators and Fairfield. I was hoping to git 
back to that old paper and bring it up to date but have run out of time now.
 The Quaker Meditators in Fairfield, Iowa: 
 
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/371018 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/371018
 
 http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm 
http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm
 

 jr_esq writes:

 Buck,
 Good luck with your field work.  May you reap what you sow!
 

   His hoary frost, His 
fleecy snow,  Descend and clothe the ground; 
The liquid streams forbear to flow,
In icy fetters bound.

He sends His Word and melts the snow,
The fields no longer mourn;
He calls the warmer gales to blow
And bids the spring return.

Spring is upon us here in Iowa and I have got to go off-line more with field 
work now mostly, after meditation in the Dome.  I am two months behind on farm 
work and horse training. Om those normal years.  For this year given the global 
weird weather this year and winter I am behind.  Only the last few days have 
been really hospitable enough to really be outside for long hours at a time.   
Still a lot of frost in the ground way down.  -Buck.



[FairfieldLife] Re: [Meditating] Fairfield, Iowa Life

2014-04-03 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Also did not get to finish utopian-ism and Fairfield neither.
 Dang. 
 What is utopian-ism?
 Thanks though for the encouragement, jr. Spring rains happening here today. 
  Yep, I am running low of time indoors now with the end of winter here in 
Iowa. Still got some things remaining that are unfinished here. I never 
finished my paper on Quaker meditators coming to Fairfield. A long time ago I 
published a paper in Friends Journal about old Quaker Meditators and Fairfield. 
I was hoping to git back to that old paper and bring it up to date but have run 
out of time now.
 The Quaker Meditators in Fairfield, Iowa: 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/371018 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/371018
 
 http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm 
http://iagenweb.org/history/qoi/QOITOC.htm
 

 jr_esq writes:

 Buck,
 Good luck with your field work.  May you reap what you sow!
 

   His hoary frost, His 
fleecy snow,  Descend and clothe the ground; 
The liquid streams forbear to flow,
In icy fetters bound.

He sends His Word and melts the snow,
The fields no longer mourn;
He calls the warmer gales to blow
And bids the spring return.

Spring is upon us here in Iowa and I have got to go off-line more with field 
work now mostly, after meditation in the Dome.  I am two months behind on farm 
work and horse training. Om those normal years.  For this year given the global 
weird weather this year and winter I am behind.  Only the last few days have 
been really hospitable enough to really be outside for long hours at a time.   
Still a lot of frost in the ground way down.  -Buck..





[FairfieldLife] Re: [Meditating] Fairfield, Iowa Life

2014-04-02 Thread dhamiltony2k5
His hoary frost, His fleecy snow, 
Descend and clothe the ground; 
The liquid streams forbear to flow,
In icy fetters bound.

He sends His Word and melts the snow,
The fields no longer mourn;
He calls the warmer gales to blow
And bids the spring return.

Spring is upon us here in Iowa and I have got to go off-line more with field 
work now mostly, after meditation in the Dome.  I am two months behind on farm 
work and horse training. Om those normal years.  For this year given the global 
weird weather this year and winter I am behind.  Only the last few days have 
been really hospitable enough to really be outside for long hours at a time.   
Still a lot of frost in the ground way down.  -Buck

[FairfieldLife] Re: [Meditating] Fairfield, Iowa Life

2014-04-02 Thread jr_esq
Buck, 

 Good luck with your field work.  May you reap what you sow!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 Spring is upon us here in Iowa and I have got to go off-line more with field 
work now mostly, after meditation in the Dome.  I am two months behind on farm 
work and horse training. Om those normal years.  For this year given the global 
weird weather this year and winter I am behind.  Only the last few days have 
been really hospitable enough to really be outside for long hours at a time.   
Still a lot of frost in the ground way down.  -Buck





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-21 Thread LEnglish5
Current TM initiations are higher than they have been since the Merv Griffith 
days. The pprice of TM instruction has been lowered 36% for adults, and down to 
$360 for ages 10-18, and full-time college students, at least through May 31, 
2014. 

 http://www.tm.org/fee http://www.tm.org/fee
 

 ADULTS Your course fee includes:
 Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support 
https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial 
payment of  $375 $240 (valid through May 31)
and 3 additional monthly payments of  $375 $240
 (Optional: one-time payment of  $1500 $960)


 

 FULL-TIME STUDENTS Your course fee includes:
 Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support 
https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial 
payment of  $187.50 $90 (valid through May 31)
and 3 additional monthly payments of  $187.50 $90
 (Optional: one-time payment of  $750 $360)


 CHILDREN UNDER 18 Your course fee includes:
 Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support 
https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial 
payment of  $93.75 $90 (valid through May 31)
and 3 additional monthly payments of  $93.75 $90
 (Optional: one-time payment of  $375 $360)

 

 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-21 Thread Michael Jackson
I have no desire to have a sphere of influence - but gimme the chance to give 
these new initiates a lecture of my own and we'll see what we will see. A nice 
look at David Wants to Fly would be a good start.

On Fri, 3/21/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity 
Village Kansas City
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 3:14 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Sphere of
 influence.  Remember that, anyone?  That was a
 Maharishi tenant.  And one that I liked I might
 add.
 I
 guess your sphere of influence may feel pretty small on this
 forum.  Not that you don't work hard to expand
 it.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@...
 wrote :
 
 Can I come where
 you are and give them new initiates a real advanced lecture
 on what they are in for if they stick with it? I'd be
 real glad to do it.
 
 
  On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee
 turquoiseb@...
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa 
 and  Unity Village Kansas City
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 12:11 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that
 
 it was you I was really asking these questions of, not
 
 Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason.
 
 Yahoo sucketh. 
 
 
 
 
 
 From:
 
 steve.sundur@...
 
 steve.sundur@...
 
 To:
 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
 Sent:
 
 Thursday, March 20, 2014
 
 1:03 PM
 
 Subject: Re:
 
 [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity
 
 Village Kansas City
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 It was me
 
 Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay
 
 somewhat anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has
 come
 
 and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some
 
 time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the
 
 order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to
 activity
 
 that had already been taking place.  As far as that
 
 activity, (original activity), I have no
 
 idea.Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and
 
 can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm
 
 referring to has nothing to do with
 
 DLF.
 
 The extent of the
 
 upsell has to do with Residence
 
 Courses.
 
 You see some people (old mediators) coming out the
 
 woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals.
 
 And you see some new outreach having results.
 
   
 
 
 
 ---In
 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 turquoiseb@... wrote
 
 :
 
 
 
 Can you expand upon this, Michael? 
 
 
 
 - Where do you get your information from about
 
 the numbers of people starting
 
 TM?
 
 - What kind of numbers are you
 
 talking about? 10s? 100s?
 
 1000s?
 
 - Where is this supposedly happening -- among
 
 people from the general public learning TM, or as part of
 
 some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by
 
 donations?
 
 
 
 - Please expand
 
 upon the fee structure you mention. What do you
 
 believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we
 
 check this?
 
 Thanks. 
 
 
 
 As I've said many times, I would have few
 
 problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was
 
 advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily
 
 learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any
 
 other -- and offered at a fair price. 
 
 
 
 It's the decades of baggage that
 
 comes with TM and the attempt to
 
 upsell everyone to buy other TM-related
 products
 
 that I can't support. 
 
 
 
 
 
 From:
 
 steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 
 To:
 
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
 Sent: Thursday, March
 
 20, 2014 3:15 AM
 
 Subject: Re:
 
 [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity
 
 Village Kansas City
 
 
 
 
 
  Actually
 
 Michael,You might be surprised to know
 
 that more people are learning TM than you might have
 
 expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more
 
 people are signing up.  
 
 
 
 I was surprised myself
 
 actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-21 Thread Share Long
Michael, do you object to people learning TM and simply doing that? Also I 
think you do want a sphere of influence because you've said you want to get TM 
out of the schools etc. How is that not wanting a sphere of influence?!





On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:10 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
I have no desire to have a sphere of influence - but gimme the chance to give 
these new initiates a lecture of my own and we'll see what we will see. A nice 
look at David Wants to Fly would be a good start.

On Fri, 3/21/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity Village 
Kansas City
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 3:14 AM
















 









Sphere of
influence.  Remember that, anyone?  That was a
Maharishi tenant.  And one that I liked I might
add.
I
guess your sphere of influence may feel pretty small on this
forum.  Not that you don't work hard to expand
it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@...
wrote :

Can I come where
you are and give them new initiates a real advanced lecture
on what they are in for if they stick with it? I'd be
real glad to do it.


On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee
turquoiseb@...
wrote:



Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa 
and  Unity Village Kansas City

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 12:11 PM

































 



















Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that

it was you I was really asking these questions of, not

Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason.

Yahoo sucketh. 





From:

steve.sundur@...

steve.sundur@...

To:

FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com


Sent:

Thursday, March 20, 2014

1:03 PM

Subject: Re:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity

Village Kansas City





 



















It was me

Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay

somewhat anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has
come

and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some

time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the

order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to
activity

that had already been taking place.  As far as that

activity, (original activity), I have no

idea.Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and

can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm

referring to has nothing to do with

DLF.

The extent of the

upsell has to do with Residence

Courses.

You see some people (old mediators) coming out the

woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals.

And you see some new outreach having results.

  



---In

FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
turquoiseb@... wrote

:



Can you expand upon this, Michael? 



- Where do you get your information from about

the numbers of people starting

TM?

- What kind of numbers are you

talking about? 10s? 100s?

1000s?

- Where is this supposedly happening -- among

people from the general public learning TM, or as part of

some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by

donations?



- Please expand

upon the fee structure you mention. What do you

believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we

check this?

Thanks. 



As I've said many times, I would have few

problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was

advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily

learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any

other -- and offered at a fair price. 



It's the decades of baggage that

comes with TM and the attempt to

upsell everyone to buy other TM-related
products

that I can't support. 





From:

steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...

To:

FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com


Sent: Thursday, March

20, 2014 3:15 AM

Subject: Re:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity

Village Kansas City





 Actually

Michael,You might be surprised to know

that more people are learning TM than you might have

expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more

people are signing up.  



I was surprised myself

actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.


























Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-21 Thread doctordumbass
Excellent news - Given what infomercials charge for vitamins and a CD, the TM 
price doesn't seem so out of line. Besides, after boosting it to $2500 a few 
years ago, anything else is going to look really affordable - excellent 
marketing. I am glad people are again noticing the benefits of the technique. 
Can't have enough people doing TM.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 Current TM initiations are higher than they have been since the Merv Griffith 
days. The pprice of TM instruction has been lowered 36% for adults, and down to 
$360 for ages 10-18, and full-time college students, at least through May 31, 
2014. 

 http://www.tm.org/fee http://www.tm.org/fee
 

 ADULTS Your course fee includes:
 Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support 
https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial 
payment of  $375 $240 (valid through May 31)
and 3 additional monthly payments of  $375 $240
 (Optional: one-time payment of  $1500 $960)


 

 FULL-TIME STUDENTS Your course fee includes:
 Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support 
https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial 
payment of  $187.50 $90 (valid through May 31)
and 3 additional monthly payments of  $187.50 $90
 (Optional: one-time payment of  $750 $360)


 CHILDREN UNDER 18 Your course fee includes:
 Personal one-on-one instruction Lifetime follow-up and support 
https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html Lifetime of benefits Initial 
payment of  $93.75 $90 (valid through May 31)
and 3 additional monthly payments of  $93.75 $90
 (Optional: one-time payment of  $375 $360)

 

 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-21 Thread Bhairitu
Yup, now all they need is a late night huckster doing back end ad spots 
on cable television saying order now for only $240 (muted voice) and 
with three additional monthly payments of $240.  Call now, operators are 
standing by.  This offer only good for the first 5 callers.


Kinda puts the TMO into perspective.  TM and the infomercial folks. :-D

On 03/21/2014 04:59 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:


Excellent news - Given what infomercials charge for vitamins and a CD, 
the TM price doesn't seem so out of line. Besides, after boosting it 
to $2500 a few years ago, anything else is going to look really 
affordable - excellent marketing. I am glad people are again noticing 
the benefits of the technique. Can't have enough people doing TM.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

Current TM initiations are higher than they have been since the Merv 
Griffith days. The pprice of TM instruction has been lowered 36% for 
adults, and down to $360 for ages 10-18, and full-time college 
students, at least through May 31, 2014.


http://www.tm.org/fee


*ADULTS*

*Your course fee includes:*

  * Personal one-on-one instruction
  * Lifetime follow-up and support
https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html
  * Lifetime of benefits

*Initial payment of $375 $240 (valid through May 31)
and 3 additional monthly payments of $375 $240*

/(Optional: one-time payment of $1500 $960)/


*FULL-TIME STUDENTS*

*Your course fee includes:*

  * Personal one-on-one instruction
  * Lifetime follow-up and support
https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html
  * Lifetime of benefits

*Initial payment of $187.50 $90 (valid through May 31)
and 3 additional monthly payments of $187.50 $90*

/(Optional: one-time payment of $750 $360)/


*CHILDREN UNDER 18*

*Your course fee includes:*

  * Personal one-on-one instruction
  * Lifetime follow-up and support
https://www.tm.org/popups/tuition_lifetime.html
  * Lifetime of benefits

*Initial payment of $93.75 $90 (valid through May 31)
and 3 additional monthly payments of $93.75 $90*

/(Optional: one-time payment of $375 $360)/








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread TurquoiseBee
Can you expand upon this, Michael? 


- Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting 
TM?

- What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s?

- Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public 
learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized 
by donations?


- Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it 
costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this?

Thanks. 


As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, 
as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily 
learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and 
offered at a fair price. 


It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell 
everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. 




 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity Village 
Kansas City
 


  
Actually Michael,
You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might 
have expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up.  


I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread TurquoiseBee
That's a TMer for you. Tell a person that you consider them so evil that you'd 
put them on your personal assassination list, and then sign the post, Kindly.




 From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity Village 
Kansas City
 


  
Spirituality, . ..stems from being initiated into TM
MJ, you bet.  More experience of the
transcendent as the unified field is the basis of spiritual progress
and transformation, call that cultivation a transcendent meditation
however you want; transcending can go by different names culturally
but it in large nature is all the same.  These people were glad to
have run in to TM as it was taught and started something for
themselves then.  Now, otherwise it is something else to wonder that you 
methodically dissuade your friends from
meditating and rejoice in that.  That you actively work to sink transcendental 
meditation and consciousness-based education.  That is incredibly anti-science 
and
ultimately anti-spiritual.  It is shocking and diabolical.  I can
empathize with Obama now. Were I President Obama securing the nation
I'd have you straight-away on the drone list as a dangerous plotting
enemy-combatant to civil society.   I was going to suggest that may
be you could get your own meditation checked for efficacy at
transcendence.
Kindly,
-Buck in the Dome

mjackson74 writes:

Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being 
initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all 
the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen.

The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the 
elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has 
always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they 
aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. 

The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible 
person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that 
one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM 
practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in 
good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to 
do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was 
gleaned here on FFL. 

All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense!


Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity Village 
Kansas City
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM

Egg, Maybe the Transcendent is possibly
more than you are cracking your TM meditation
alpha-global-coherence
brain wave TM research up to be and these people are
transcendental
meditators still  growing in Spirituality may be as
something more
than just alpha wave coherence.  Touting alpha coherence as
some gold
standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM
practice
in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in
to the
heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his
TM-science
cohorts are not even close to understanding
spiritually.
These were pretty
illumined people
[Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness].  I'd
grant them some
thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago
may be
even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing
TM.   Egg,
If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I
think
you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending]
meditators in life.With Kind
Regards,-Buck in the
Dome 
sparaig writes:
The fun thing about such folk
is that they've missed the point that TM's effects
continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so
dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that
they've missed out on the accumulated effects.

Of course, one
could claim that they have stopped breathing for every
meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain
there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but
no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood
that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim,
to me.
Transcending
Meditation, TM ?   One
of the Unity ministers from California told of an active
younger
Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very
helpful..
Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged
starting
TM back in the day,  “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started
with that
years ago.. tried and true”.  “Nice technique well
taught”.  .
But  in their spiritual lives they went on to other things
spiritual
like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like
Patanjali
TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and
prayer in a
higher level of spiritual practice and
service.
In Unity
congregations

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread turquoiseb

 Sorry, I meant to direct these questions to Steve, not Michael. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Can you expand upon this, Michael? 

 

 - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting 
TM?
 

 - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s?
 

 - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public 
learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized 
by donations?

 

 - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it 
costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this?
 

 Thanks. 

 

 As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM 
technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a 
simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any 
other -- and offered at a fair price. 

 

 It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell 
everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 
 
   Actually Michael,
 You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might 
have expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up.  

 

 I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread steve.sundur
It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat 
anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that 
hasn't been seen in some time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the 
order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already 
been taking place.  As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no 
idea. 

 Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in 
installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF.
 

 The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses.
 

 You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced 
lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results.   
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Can you expand upon this, Michael? 

 

 - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting 
TM?
 

 - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s?
 

 - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public 
learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized 
by donations?

 

 - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it 
costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this?
 

 Thanks. 

 

 As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM 
technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a 
simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any 
other -- and offered at a fair price. 

 

 It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell 
everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 
 
   Actually Michael,
 You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might 
have expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up.  

 

 I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
 

















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread TurquoiseBee
Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really 
asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for 
some reason. Yahoo sucketh. 




 From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity Village 
Kansas City
 


  
It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat 
anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that 
hasn't been seen in some time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the 
order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already 
been taking place.  As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no 
idea.
Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in 
installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF.

The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses.

You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced 
lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results.   



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


Can you expand upon this, Michael? 


- Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting 
TM?

- What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s?

- Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public 
learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized 
by donations?


- Please expand
upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM 
these days, and where can we check this?

Thanks. 


As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, 
as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily 
learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and 
offered at a fair price. 


It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell 
everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. 




 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity Village Kansas City



 
Actually Michael,
You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might 
have expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up.  


I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread steve.sundur
I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to 
the lower number. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really 
asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for 
some reason. Yahoo sucketh. 

 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 
 
   It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat 
anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that 
hasn't been seen in some time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the 
order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already 
been taking place.  As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no 
idea.
 Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in 
installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF.
 

 The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses.
 

 You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced 
lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results.   
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Can you expand upon this, Michael? 

 

 - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting 
TM?
 

 - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s?
 

 - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public 
learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized 
by donations?

 

 - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it 
costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this?
 

 Thanks. 

 

 As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM 
technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a 
simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any 
other -- and offered at a fair price. 

 

 It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell 
everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 
 
   Actually Michael,
 You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might 
have expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up.  

 

 I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
 
















 


 











[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
It is interesting how transcending can be taught to and has been taught to in 
different times. I was harmony singing over the lunch hour yesterday with some 
other conservative Fairfield meditators here and we sang this old hymn that 
came from the Shaker spiritual movement where the text is rejoicing in the 
efficacy of their movement then when they were teaching transcendence as 
spiritual practice in their system at that time.
 

 It seems every generation or two, probably all through human time someone 
comes and re-expresses the ultimate teaching of transcendence as spirituality 
in life that way. Like the Unity movement in its time or TM in our time.
 

 Sometimes the teaching stays individuated like with Emerson and sometimes it 
propagates in groups or even in to popular movement. It is all the same based 
on experience of the absolute. This expression and re-expression in 
self-referral transcendental spiritual experience of the Unified Field becomes 
the real story of the progression of all our manifest destiny in American 
history. Cultivating the transcendence in human experience meditating evidently 
is very American. Cultivation of the transcendent state is ultimate 
spirituality and teaching it is revolutionary action in the face of 
materialism. Subverting people's experience of the transcendent is nothing less 
than counter-revolutionary, anti-scientific and anti-American spiritual 
ignorance,

 -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa
 

 Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. 
To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in 
transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in 
coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, 
like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in 
Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within 
activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort 
of like we practice the TM-Sidhis?
 

 Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM 
meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these 
people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as 
something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some 
gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in 
experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the 
subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close 
to understanding spiritually.
 

 These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of 
consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new 
meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in 
just doing TM.   Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them 
too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] 
meditators in life.
 With Kind Regards, 
 -Buck in the Dome 

 

 sparaig writes:

 The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's 
effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling 
in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the 
accumulated effects.

 

 Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every 
meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore 
don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so 
the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to 
me.
 

 Transcending Meditation, TM ?   One of the Unity ministers from California 
told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found 
it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged 
starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that 
years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their 
spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting 
healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle 
system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual 
practice and service.
 

 In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the 
elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM 
[Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to 
student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric 
movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades 
gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 
1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal 
arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and 
professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost 
generation.
 

 These 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas...

2014-03-20 Thread WLeed3
THANKS for so sharing this Buck  shared very well as well  ! HA! HA! HO! 
Sent in the highest  regards Bill Leed

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
For outsiders looking in, 7thRay is entirely correct in comment here. Yep, TM 
is come under a much more empathetic and effective leadership now in John 
Hagelin and the people he draws around him. Still a fight in the middle about 
things with strict preservationists over policy and what is 'the purity of the 
teaching'. But the Hagelin-ites are moving forward with a trench and 
street-fighting of the TM-taliban side of the movement. TM in America under 
Hagelin is teaching about 2,000 a month now and that is growing consistently 
month by month and has been under Hagelin's practical and science-based 
guidance and supervision for quite a while. .. . “All we are saying is give 
Peace a chance”. Simple TM web presence is methodical, secular and effective 
now, http://wwv.tm.org/ http://wwv.tm.org/ http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ 
http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/
 
 
 TM is working again as a meditator movement. The pundit program though it 
seems is a large program is that of a few hardcore people in TM.  It will be 
extremely noteworthy to see what they do with the Hindu chanting and pundit 
program as the secular TM program is actually carrying the movement.   At what 
point do they cut bait and fish setting lines without pundits .. . The next few 
e-mails coming out of the President's [Bevan's] office and from John Hagelin 
will be very important ones showing direction.   From the outside looking in it 
is a lot like Kremlin-watching of what goes on inside a very small community 
with an old history that are our leadership.
 -Buck
 7thRay writes:
 I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to 
the lower number.
 

 turquoiseb writes:

 Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really 
asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for 
some reason. Yahoo sucketh. 
   It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat 
anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that 
hasn't been seen in some time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the 
order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already 
been taking place.  As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no 
idea.
 Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in 
installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF.
 

 The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses.
 

 You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced 
lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results.
 

 

 Can you expand upon this, Michael? 

 

 - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting 
TM?
 

 - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s?
 

 - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public 
learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized 
by donations?

 

 - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it 
costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this?
 

 Thanks. 

 

 As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM 
technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a 
simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any 
other -- and offered at a fair price. 

 

 It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell 
everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support.
 

 

 : Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City
 

 Actually Michael,
 You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might 
have expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up.  

 

 I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
 

 .
 
















 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread Michael Jackson
Can I come where you are and give them new initiates a real advanced lecture on 
what they are in for if they stick with it? I'd be real glad to do it.

On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity 
Village Kansas City
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 12:11 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that
 it was you I was really asking these questions of, not
 Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason.
 Yahoo sucketh. 
 
  
 From:
 steve.sun...@yahoo.com
 steve.sun...@yahoo.com
  To:
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent:
 Thursday, March 20, 2014
  1:03 PM
  Subject: Re:
 [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity
 Village Kansas City

 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   It was me
 Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay
 somewhat anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has come
 and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some
 time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the
 order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity
 that had already been taking place.  As far as that
 activity, (original activity), I have no
 idea.Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and
 can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm
 referring to has nothing to do with
 DLF.
 The extent of the
 upsell has to do with Residence
 Courses.
 You see some people (old mediators) coming out the
 woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals.
 And you see some new outreach having results.
   
 
 ---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote
 :
 
 Can you expand upon this, Michael? 
 
 - Where do you get your information from about
 the numbers of people starting
 TM?
 - What kind of numbers are you
  talking about? 10s? 100s?
 1000s?
 - Where is this supposedly happening -- among
 people from the general public learning TM, or as part of
 some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by
 donations?
 
 - Please expand
 upon the fee structure you mention. What do you
 believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we
 check this?
 Thanks. 
 
 As I've said many times, I would have few
 problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was
 advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily
 learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any
 other -- and offered at a fair price. 
 
 It's the decades of baggage that
 comes with TM and the attempt to
 upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products
 that I can't support. 
 
  
  From:
 steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
  To:
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March
 20, 2014 3:15 AM
  Subject: Re:
 [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity
 Village Kansas City
  
 
  Actually
 Michael,You might be surprised to know
 that more people are learning TM than you might have
 expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more
 people are signing up.  
 
 I was surprised myself
 actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread Share Long
turq, I saw that post to Steve so it must have made it to email. Go figure!





On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:20 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com 
steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer to 
the lower number. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really 
asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for 
some reason. Yahoo sucketh. 




 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014
1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity Village 
Kansas City



 
It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat 
anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that 
hasn't been seen in some time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the 
order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already 
been taking place.  As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no 
idea.
Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in 
installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF.

The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses.

You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced 
lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results.   



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :


Can you expand upon this, Michael? 


- Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting 
TM?

- What kind of numbers are you
talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s?

- Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public 
learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized 
by donations?


- Please expand
upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it costs to learn TM 
these days, and where can we check this?

Thanks. 


As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM technique, 
as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily 
learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any other -- and 
offered at a fair price. 


It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell 
everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. 




 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity Village Kansas City



 
Actually Michael,
You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might 
have expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up.  


I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread authfriend
Made it to the Web site, too. 

 turq, I saw that post to Steve so it must have made it to email. Go figure! 

 
 
 On Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:20 AM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... 
wrote:
 
   I would peg new initiations ranging between 10-20/mo., and probably closer 
to the lower number. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that it was you I was really 
asking these questions of, not Michael, but it has never made it to email for 
some reason. Yahoo sucketh. 

 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 
 
   It was me Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay somewhat 
anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has come and generated activity that 
hasn't been seen in some time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the 
order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity that had already 
been taking place.  As far as that activity, (original activity), I have no 
idea.
 Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and can be paid in 
installments. The new activity I'm referring to has nothing to do with DLF.
 

 The extent of the upsell has to do with Residence Courses.
 

 You see some people (old mediators) coming out the woodwork attending advanced 
lectures, and making referrals. And you see some new outreach having results.   
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Can you expand upon this, Michael? 

 

 - Where do you get your information from about the numbers of people starting 
TM?
 

 - What kind of numbers are you talking about? 10s? 100s? 1000s?
 

 - Where is this supposedly happening -- among people from the general public 
learning TM, or as part of some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized 
by donations?

 

 - Please expand upon the fee structure you mention. What do you believe it 
costs to learn TM these days, and where can we check this?
 

 Thanks. 

 

 As I've said many times, I would have few problems with the basic TM 
technique, as long as it was advertised and presented as what it is -- a 
simple, easily learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any 
other -- and offered at a fair price. 

 

 It's the decades of baggage that comes with TM and the attempt to upsell 
everyone to buy other TM-related products that I can't support. 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 
 
   Actually Michael,
 You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might 
have expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up.  

 

 I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
 
















 













 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Look MJ, you are talking bad about the old TM movement. We don't have control 
over what happened then.   We are not that now. TM is moving forward 
transparently, honestly and effectively teaching something from the yogic 
tradition that is highly useful and relevant in a modern and scientific world.  
 MJ, you and your determined meanness around something so evidently good as 
transcending meditation are stuck in the past. You are sounding more and more 
like your old people down there saying you need to lookout for all those poor 
slaves who can not look out for themselves. We're a movement in process doing 
fine free of some past constraints. You are stuck in the past. For all kinds of 
good spiritual and scientific reasons you should get your meditation checked 
for proper practice, 
 -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread Michael Jackson
Thanks Bucky - I am happy to know that speaking what I feel about the TMO is 
reactionary and tantamount to being a terrorist but your wanting to have me 
killed by drone is apparently part of a satvic lifestyle. Saying the TMO is 
fresh and new is quite patently absurd since they are doing the same old song 
and dance - the lies and half lies John Revolinski and Bill Goldstein told the 
faithful at the address concerns about the pundit riot should be evidence 
enough of that. Plus the fact that the TMO outrageously claims the Marshy 
Effect, yagya effect, vastu ved and more are all evidence based technologies. 
Jezz man, come on. I have no problem with you and yours being happy to meditate 
in group but to believe all the junk the TMO claims is just nonsense. And I am 
concerned with those who are innocent, who are being exposed to these kinds of 
lies so they don't have to go through what I and MANY others have gone through.



On Thu, 3/20/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity 
Village Kansas City
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 4:19 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Look MJ, you are talking bad about the
 old TM movement.  We don't have control over what
 happened then.   We
 are not that now.  TM is moving forward transparently,
 honestly and
 effectively teaching something from the yogic tradition that
 is
 highly useful and relevant in a modern and scientific world.
   MJ, you
 and your determined meanness around something so evidently
 good as
 transcending meditation are stuck in the past.  You are
 sounding more
 and more like your old people down there saying you need to
 lookout
 for all those poor slaves who can not look out for
 themselves.  We're a
 movement in process doing fine free of some past
 constraints.  You are stuck in the past.  For all
 kinds of good spiritual and scientific reasons you should
 get your
 meditation checked for proper practice,  
 
 -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa   
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread dhamiltony2k5
The old Unity movement and their Unity Village in Kansas City as has been a 
case also with the Transcendental Meditation movement and Fairfield, Iowa 
evidently were great introductions to spiritual transcendentalism and a unity 
in the transcendental state by experience of what practical spirituality in 
life comes of the Unified Field. The Unity movement at its time evidently was 
that as an introduction at its time like with TM coming along more recently has 
been. Both Unity and TM providing an experiential critique of materialism in 
their time.
 

 It is interesting how transcending can be taught to and has been taught to in 
different times. I was harmony singing over the lunch hour yesterday with some 
other conservative Fairfield meditators here and we sang this old hymn that 
came from the Shaker spiritual movement where the text is rejoicing in the 
efficacy of their movement then when they were teaching transcendence as 
spiritual practice in their system at that time.
 

 It seems every generation or two, probably all through human time someone 
comes and re-expresses the ultimate teaching of transcendence as spirituality 
in life that way. Like the Unity movement in its time or TM in our time.
 

 Sometimes the teaching stays individuated like with Emerson and sometimes it 
propagates in groups or even in to popular movement. It is all the same based 
on experience of the absolute. This expression and re-expression in 
self-referral transcendental spiritual experience of the Unified Field becomes 
the real story of the progression of all our manifest destiny in American 
history. Cultivating the transcendence in human experience meditating evidently 
is very American. Cultivation of the transcendent state is ultimate 
spirituality and teaching it is revolutionary action in the face of 
materialism. Subverting people's experience of the transcendent is nothing less 
than counter-revolutionary, anti-scientific and anti-American spiritual 
ignorance,

 -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa
 

 Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. 
To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in 
transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in 
coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, 
like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in 
Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within 
activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort 
of like we practice the TM-Sidhis?
 

 Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM 
meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these 
people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as 
something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some 
gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in 
experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the 
subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close 
to understanding spiritually.
 

 These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of 
consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new 
meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in 
just doing TM.   Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them 
too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] 
meditators in life.
 With Kind Regards, 
 -Buck in the Dome 

 

 sparaig writes:

 The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's 
effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling 
in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the 
accumulated effects.

 

 Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every 
meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore 
don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so 
the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to 
me.
 

 Transcending Meditation, TM ?   One of the Unity ministers from California 
told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found 
it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged 
starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that 
years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their 
spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting 
healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle 
system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual 
practice and service.
 

 In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the 
elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-20 Thread steve.sundur
Sphere of influence.  Remember that, anyone?  That was a Maharishi tenant.  And 
one that I liked I might add. 

 I guess your sphere of influence may feel pretty small on this forum.  Not 
that you don't work hard to expand it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Can I come where you are and give them new initiates a real advanced lecture 
on what they are in for if they stick with it? I'd be real glad to do it.
 
 On Thu, 3/20/14, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 12:11 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks. I posted a later correction indicating that
 it was you I was really asking these questions of, not
 Michael, but it has never made it to email for some reason.
 Yahoo sucketh. 
 
 
 From:
 steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@...;
 steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@...
 To:
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent:
 Thursday, March 20, 2014
 1:03 PM
 Subject: Re:
 [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity
 Village Kansas City
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 It was me
 Barry, and I will speak generally since I do wish to stay
 somewhat anonymous.  But in my area, a teacher has come
 and generated activity that hasn't been seen in some
 time.  As far as initiations, we are talking on the
 order of maybe 20/month. And this is in addition to activity
 that had already been taking place.  As far as that
 activity, (original activity), I have no
 idea.Fee structure has come down to below $1,000.00, and
 can be paid in installments. The new activity I'm
 referring to has nothing to do with
 DLF.
 The extent of the
 upsell has to do with Residence
 Courses.
 You see some people (old mediators) coming out the
 woodwork attending advanced lectures, and making referrals.
 And you see some new outreach having results.
   
 
 ---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
turquoiseb@... wrote
 :
 
 Can you expand upon this, Michael? 
 
 - Where do you get your information from about
 the numbers of people starting
 TM?
 - What kind of numbers are you
 talking about? 10s? 100s?
 1000s?
 - Where is this supposedly happening -- among
 people from the general public learning TM, or as part of
 some program offered by the DLF and thus subsidized by
 donations?
 
 - Please expand
 upon the fee structure you mention. What do you
 believe it costs to learn TM these days, and where can we
 check this?
 Thanks. 
 
 As I've said many times, I would have few
 problems with the basic TM technique, as long as it was
 advertised and presented as what it is -- a simple, easily
 learned technique of sitting meditation, no better than any
 other -- and offered at a fair price. 
 
 It's the decades of baggage that
 comes with TM and the attempt to
 upsell everyone to buy other TM-related products
 that I can't support. 
 
 
 From:
 steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@...
 To:
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March
 20, 2014 3:15 AM
 Subject: Re:
 [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity
 Village Kansas City
 
 
  Actually
 Michael,You might be surprised to know
 that more people are learning TM than you might have
 expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more
 people are signing up.  
 
 I was surprised myself
 actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this. 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread LEnglish5
The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's 
effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling 
in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the 
accumulated effects. 

 Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every 
meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore 
don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so 
the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to 
me..


[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of 
consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new 
meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in 
just doing TM.   Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them 
too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] 
meditators in life.
 With Kind Regards, 
 -Buck in the Dome  

 

 sparaig writes:

 The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's 
effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling 
in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the 
accumulated effects.

 

 Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every 
meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore 
don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so 
the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to 
me.
 

 Transcending Meditation, TM ?   One of the Unity ministers from California 
told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found 
it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged 
starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that 
years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their 
spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting 
healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle 
system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual 
practice and service.
 

 In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the 
elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM 
[Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to 
student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric 
movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades 
gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 
1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal 
arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and 
professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost 
generation.
 

 These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I 
spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families 
now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in 
transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before 
moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing 
homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like 
talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the 
successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work.
 

 In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in 
TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and 
shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much 
demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone 
now.
 

 Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 
'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically 
much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying 
a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of 
their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for 
themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio 
for their community and spirituality.
 

 These ministers I interviewed over coffee were front-line with active large 
communities who were visiting back on a conference at Unity Village sharing 
their movement's challenge. Within TM we have seen this trend too as our TM 
elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with 
Maharishi have pretty much all passed away now with their check-books gone too. 
There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources 
but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a few years ago. A lot of the 
upper-middle-class TM meditators left the TM movement in the 1990's.
 

 Likewise, a security person there reflecting on the Unity Village campus spoke 
in 3rd person about how just 10 years ago Unity V. was still a happening 
hopping place with a lot of people there and has really since dropped off to 
not much now in the last five years or so.
 

 The challenge the Unity movement see there with these elders-in-transition is 
that those deeper and sustaining check-books move with these elderly and 
consequently those deeper check-books move away from supporting their local 
Unity churches and the larger Unity movement; the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. 
To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in 
transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in 
coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, 
like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in 
Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within 
activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort 
of like we practice the TM-Sidhis?
 

 Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM 
meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these 
people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as 
something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some 
gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in 
experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the 
subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close 
to understanding spiritually.
 

 These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of 
consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new 
meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in 
just doing TM.   Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them 
too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] 
meditators in life.
 With Kind Regards, 
 -Buck in the Dome 

 

 sparaig writes:

 The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's 
effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling 
in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the 
accumulated effects.

 

 Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every 
meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore 
don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so 
the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to 
me.
 

 Transcending Meditation, TM ?   One of the Unity ministers from California 
told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found 
it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged 
starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that 
years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their 
spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting 
healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle 
system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual 
practice and service.
 

 In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the 
elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM 
[Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to 
student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric 
movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades 
gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 
1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal 
arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and 
professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost 
generation.
 

 These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I 
spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families 
now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in 
transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before 
moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing 
homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like 
talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the 
successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work.
 

 In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in 
TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and 
shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much 
demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone 
now.
 

 Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 
'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically 
much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying 
a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of 
their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for 
themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio 
for their community and spirituality.
 

 These ministers I interviewed over 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM 
meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these 
people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as 
something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some 
gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in 
experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the 
subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close 
to understanding spiritually.
 

 These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of 
consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new 
meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in 
just doing TM.   Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them 
too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] 
meditators in life.
 With Kind Regards, 
 -Buck in the Dome 

 

 sparaig writes:

 The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's 
effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling 
in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the 
accumulated effects.

 

 Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every 
meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore 
don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so 
the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to 
me.
 

 Transcending Meditation, TM ?   One of the Unity ministers from California 
told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found 
it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged 
starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that 
years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their 
spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting 
healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle 
system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual 
practice and service.
 

 In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the 
elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM 
[Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to 
student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric 
movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades 
gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 
1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal 
arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and 
professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost 
generation.
 

 These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I 
spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families 
now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in 
transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before 
moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing 
homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like 
talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the 
successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work.
 

 In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in 
TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and 
shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much 
demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone 
now.
 

 Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 
'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically 
much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying 
a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of 
their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for 
themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio 
for their community and spirituality.
 

 These ministers I interviewed over coffee were front-line with active large 
communities who were visiting back on a conference at Unity Village sharing 
their movement's challenge. Within TM we have seen this trend too as our TM 
elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with 
Maharishi have pretty much all passed away now with their check-books gone too. 
There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources 
but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a few years ago. A lot of the 
upper-middle-class TM meditators left the TM movement in the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread Michael Jackson
Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being 
initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all 
the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen.

The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the 
elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has 
always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they 
aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. 

The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible 
person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that 
one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM 
practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in 
good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to 
do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was 
gleaned here on FFL. 

All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense!

On Wed, 3/19/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity Village 
Kansas City
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Maybe the Transcendent is possibly
 more than you are cracking your TM meditation
 alpha-global-coherence
 brain wave TM research up to be and these people are
 transcendental
 meditators still  growing in Spirituality may be as
 something more
 than just alpha wave coherence.  Touting alpha coherence as
 some gold
 standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM
 practice
 in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in
 to the
 heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his
 TM-science
 cohorts are not even close to understanding
 spiritually.
 These were pretty
 illumined people
 [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness].  I'd
 grant them some
 thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago
 may be
 even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing
 TM.   Egg,
 If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I
 think
 you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending]
 meditators in life.With Kind
 Regards,-Buck in the
 Dome 
 sparaig writes:
 The fun thing about such folk
 is that they've missed the point that TM's effects
 continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so
 dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that
 they've missed out on the accumulated effects.
 
 Of course, one
 could claim that they have stopped breathing for every
 meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain
 there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but
 no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood
 that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim,
 to me.
 Transcending
 Meditation, TM ?   One
 of the Unity ministers from California told of an active
 younger
 Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very
 helpful..
 Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged
 starting
 TM back in the day,  “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started
 with that
 years ago.. tried and true”.  “Nice technique well
 taught”.  .
 But  in their spiritual lives they went on to other things
 spiritual
 like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like
 Patanjali
 TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and
 prayer in a
 higher level of spiritual practice and
 service.
 In Unity
 congregations, serving both
 the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are
 strategies intertwined for a succession.  Likewise TM
 [Maharishi
 Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again
 to
 student populations which was so long neglected by the
 TM-sidhis
 centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration
 for years
 and recent decades gone by now.  The Unity ministers
 recognized too
 that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the
 X-er's
 neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the
 classics and
 spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and
 professional
 degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements.  .  The
 lost
 generation.
 These particular
 practiced
 ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke
 with are
 busy at it providing services to people with younger
 families now and
 looking out for the elderly who are still active but
 potentially in
 transition; the older who though elderly are
 independent and well
 before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their
 kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. 
 Talking with
 these active ministers is like talking with the active David
 Lynch
 Foundation TM teachers and some of the successful TM.org
 field
 teachers now.  They have a lot of shakti

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/19/2014 9:59 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 
 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer 
 justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A 
 good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I 
 shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on 
 FFL. 
 
So, it wasn't the TM practice that didn't work for your friend, but your 
information convinced your friend that it didn't work? Is your friend at 
all able to think for himself, I wonder. I've been practicing basic TM 
since 1965, and it always works for me, no matter what information I get 
from old friends. Go figure.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Spirituality, . ..stems from being initiated into TM
 MJ, you bet. More experience of the transcendent as the unified field is the 
basis of spiritual progress and transformation, call that cultivation a 
transcendent meditation however you want; transcending can go by different 
names culturally but it in large nature is all the same. These people were glad 
to have run in to TM as it was taught and started something for themselves 
then. Now, otherwise it is something else to wonder that you methodically 
dissuade your friends from meditating and rejoice in that. That you actively 
work to sink transcendental meditation and consciousness-based education.  That 
is incredibly anti-science and ultimately anti-spiritual. It is shocking and 
diabolical. I can empathize with Obama now. Were I President Obama securing the 
nation I'd have you straight-away on the drone list as a dangerous plotting 
enemy-combatant to civil society. I was going to suggest that may be you could 
get your own meditation checked for efficacy at transcendence.
 Kindly,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 mjackson74 writes:

 Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being 
initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all 
the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen.
 
 The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the 
elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has 
always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they 
aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. 
 
 The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible 
person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that 
one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM 
practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in 
good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to 
do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was 
gleaned here on FFL. 
 
 All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense!
  
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM
 
Egg, Maybe the Transcendent is possibly
 more than you are cracking your TM meditation
 alpha-global-coherence
 brain wave TM research up to be and these people are
 transcendental
 meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as
 something more
 than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as
 some gold
 standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM
 practice
 in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in
 to the
 heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his
 TM-science
 cohorts are not even close to understanding
 spiritually.
 These were pretty
 illumined people
 [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd
 grant them some
 thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago
 may be
 even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing
 TM.   Egg,
 If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I
 think
 you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending]
 meditators in life.With Kind
 Regards, -Buck in the
 Dome 
 sparaig writes:
 The fun thing about such folk
 is that they've missed the point that TM's effects
 continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so
 dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that
 they've missed out on the accumulated effects.
 
 Of course, one
 could claim that they have stopped breathing for every
 meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain
 there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but
 no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood
 that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim,
 to me.
 Transcending
 Meditation, TM ?   One
 of the Unity ministers from California told of an active
 younger
 Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very
 helpful..
 Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged
 starting
 TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started
 with that
 years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well
 taught”. .
 But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things
 spiritual
 like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like
 Patanjali
 TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and
 prayer in a
 higher level of spiritual practice and
 service.
 In Unity
 congregations, serving both
 the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are
 strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM
 [Maharishi
 Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again
 to
 student populations which was so long neglected by the
 TM-sidhis
 centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5


 Sometimes the teaching stays individuated like with Emerson and sometimes it 
propagates in groups or even in to popular movement. It is all the same based 
on experience of the absolute. This expression and re-expression in 
self-referral transcendental spiritual experience of the Unified Field becomes 
the real story of the progression of all our manifest destiny in American 
history. Cultivating the transcendence in human experience meditating evidently 
is very American. Cultivation of the transcendent state is ultimate 
spirituality and teaching it is revolutionary action in the face of 
materialism. Subverting people's experience of the transcendent is nothing less 
than counter-revolutionary, anti-scientific and anti-American spiritual 
ignorance,

 -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa
 

 Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. 
To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in 
transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in 
coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, 
like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in 
Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within 
activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort 
of like we practice the TM-Sidhis?
 

 Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM 
meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these 
people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as 
something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some 
gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in 
experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the 
subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close 
to understanding spiritually.
 

 These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of 
consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new 
meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in 
just doing TM.   Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them 
too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] 
meditators in life.
 With Kind Regards, 
 -Buck in the Dome 

 

 sparaig writes:

 The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's 
effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling 
in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the 
accumulated effects.

 

 Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every 
meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore 
don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so 
the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to 
me.
 

 Transcending Meditation, TM ?   One of the Unity ministers from California 
told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found 
it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged 
starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that 
years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their 
spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting 
healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle 
system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual 
practice and service.
 

 In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the 
elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM 
[Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to 
student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric 
movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades 
gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 
1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal 
arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and 
professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost 
generation.
 

 These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I 
spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families 
now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in 
transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before 
moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing 
homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like 
talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the 
successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work.
 

 In talking with these active Unity ministers it's 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread steve.sundur
Actually Michael, 

 You might be surprised to know that more people are learning TM than you might 
have expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more people are signing up.  

 

 I was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand knowledge of this.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being 
initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all 
the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen.
 
 The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the 
elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has 
always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they 
aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. 
 
 The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible 
person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that 
one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM 
practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in 
good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to 
do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was 
gleaned here on FFL. 
 
 All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense!
 
 On Wed, 3/19/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... 
mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Maybe the Transcendent is possibly
 more than you are cracking your TM meditation
 alpha-global-coherence
 brain wave TM research up to be and these people are
 transcendental
 meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as
 something more
 than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as
 some gold
 standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM
 practice
 in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in
 to the
 heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his
 TM-science
 cohorts are not even close to understanding
 spiritually.
 These were pretty
 illumined people
 [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd
 grant them some
 thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago
 may be
 even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing
 TM.   Egg,
 If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I
 think
 you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending]
 meditators in life.With Kind
 Regards, -Buck in the
 Dome 
 sparaig writes:
 The fun thing about such folk
 is that they've missed the point that TM's effects
 continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so
 dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that
 they've missed out on the accumulated effects.
 
 Of course, one
 could claim that they have stopped breathing for every
 meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain
 there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but
 no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood
 that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim,
 to me.
 Transcending
 Meditation, TM ?   One
 of the Unity ministers from California told of an active
 younger
 Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very
 helpful..
 Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged
 starting
 TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started
 with that
 years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well
 taught”. .
 But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things
 spiritual
 like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like
 Patanjali
 TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and
 prayer in a
 higher level of spiritual practice and
 service.
 In Unity
 congregations, serving both
 the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are
 strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM
 [Maharishi
 Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again
 to
 student populations which was so long neglected by the
 TM-sidhis
 centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration
 for years
 and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers
 recognized too
 that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the
 X-er's
 neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the
 classics and
 spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and
 professional
 degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The
 lost
 generation.
 These particular
 practiced
 ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke
 with are
 busy at it providing services to people with younger
 families now and
 looking out for the elderly who are still active but
 potentially

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
It seems every generation or two, probably all through human time someone comes 
and re-expresses the ultimate teaching of transcendence as spirituality in life 
that way. Like the Unity movement in its time or TM in our time.
 

 Sometimes the teaching stays individuated like with Emerson and sometimes it 
propagates in groups or even in to popular movement. It is all the same based 
on experience of the absolute. This expression and re-expression in 
self-referral transcendental spiritual experience of the Unified Field becomes 
the real story of the progression of all our manifest destiny in American 
history. Cultivating the transcendence in human experience meditating evidently 
is very American. Cultivation of the transcendent state is ultimate 
spirituality and teaching it is revolutionary action in the face of 
materialism. Subverting people's experience of the transcendent is nothing less 
than counter-revolutionary, anti-scientific and anti-American spiritual 
ignorance,

 -Buck in Meditating Fairfield, Iowa
 

 Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. 
To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in 
transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in 
coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, 
like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in 
Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within 
activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort 
of like we practice the TM-Sidhis?
 

 Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM 
meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these 
people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as 
something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some 
gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in 
experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the 
subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close 
to understanding spiritually.
 

 These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of 
consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new 
meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in 
just doing TM.   Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them 
too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] 
meditators in life.
 With Kind Regards, 
 -Buck in the Dome 

 

 sparaig writes:

 The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's 
effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling 
in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the 
accumulated effects.

 

 Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every 
meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore 
don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so 
the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to 
me.
 

 Transcending Meditation, TM ?   One of the Unity ministers from California 
told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found 
it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged 
starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that 
years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their 
spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting 
healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle 
system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual 
practice and service.
 

 In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the 
elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM 
[Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to 
student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric 
movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades 
gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 
1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal 
arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and 
professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost 
generation.
 

 These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I 
spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families 
now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in 
transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before 
moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing 
homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread Michael Jackson
Uh huh - and the TMO is creating lots of quiet time programs in San Francisco 
schools - only it turns out that they have gotten kicked out of several schools 
there in SF - I'm in a position to know. 

On Thu, 3/20/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and  Unity 
Village Kansas City
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 2:15 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Actually
 Michael,
 You might be surprised to know
 that more people are learning TM than you might have
 expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more
 people are signing up.  
 
 I
 was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand
 knowledge of this.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@...
 wrote :
 
 Come on Buck -
 saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being
 initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great
 lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply
 adolescent teen.
 
 
 
 The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for,
 as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark
 contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of
 us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they
 aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of
 'em. 
 
 
 
 The difference in the two points of view should be enough to
 send any sensible person away from TM and to something more
 meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends
 who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice
 because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could
 not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change
 of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him
 in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL.
 
 
 
 
 All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense!
 
 
  On Wed, 3/19/14, dhamiltony2k5@...
 dhamiltony2k5@...
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa  and
  Unity Village Kansas City
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Maybe the Transcendent is possibly
 
 more than you are cracking your TM meditation
 
 alpha-global-coherence
 
 brain wave TM research up to be and these people are
 
 transcendental
 
 meditators still  growing in Spirituality may be as
 
 something more
 
 than just alpha wave coherence.  Touting alpha coherence as
 
 some gold
 
 standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM
 
 practice
 
 in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in
 
 to the
 
 heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his
 
 TM-science
 
 cohorts are not even close to understanding
 
 spiritually.
 
 These were pretty
 
 illumined people
 
 [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness].  I'd
 
 grant them some
 
 thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years
 ago
 
 may be
 
 even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing
 
 TM.   Egg,
 
 If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too
 I
 
 think
 
 you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending]
 
 meditators in life.With Kind
 
 Regards,-Buck in the
 
 Dome 
 
 sparaig writes:
 
 The fun thing about such folk
 
 is that they've missed the point that TM's effects
 
 continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice,
 so
 
 dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that
 
 they've missed out on the accumulated effects.
 
 
 
 Of course, one
 
 could claim that they have stopped breathing for every
 
 meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain
 
 there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but
 
 no-one has ever been observed to show that so the
 likelihood
 
 that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim,
 
 to me.
 
 Transcending
 
 Meditation, TM ?   One
 
 of the Unity ministers from California told of an active
 
 younger
 
 Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very
 
 helpful..
 
 Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged
 
 starting
 
 TM back in the day,  “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started
 
 with that
 
 years ago.. tried and true”.  “Nice technique well
 
 taught”.  .
 
 But  in their spiritual lives they went on to other things
 
 spiritual
 
 like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like
 
 Patanjali
 
 TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and
 
 prayer in a
 
 higher level of spiritual practice and
 
 service.
 
 In Unity
 
 congregations, serving both
 
 the families with children and the elderly-in-transition
 are
 
 strategies intertwined for a succession.  Likewise TM
 
 [Maharishi
 
 Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM
 again

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread steve.sundur
Hey Michael,  

 I'm not gloating about it.  I'm not trying to counter some narrative you've 
put forth.  I'm just telling you what I've observed.
 

 Certainly I didn't intend to upset you.  But somehow it seems to have had that 
effect.  Go  figure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :

 Uh huh - and the TMO is creating lots of quiet time programs in San Francisco 
schools - only it turns out that they have gotten kicked out of several schools 
there in SF - I'm in a position to know. 
 
 On Thu, 3/20/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... 
mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village 
Kansas City
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Thursday, March 20, 2014, 2:15 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Actually
 Michael,
 You might be surprised to know
 that more people are learning TM than you might have
 expected.  The fee structure has changed, and more
 people are signing up.  
 
 I
 was surprised myself actually, but I have first hand
 knowledge of this.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
mjackson74@...
 wrote :
 
 Come on Buck -
 saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being
 initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great
 lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply
 adolescent teen.
 
 
 
 The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for,
 as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark
 contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of
 us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they
 aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of
 'em. 
 
 
 
 The difference in the two points of view should be enough to
 send any sensible person away from TM and to something more
 meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends
 who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice
 because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could
 not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change
 of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him
 in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL.
 
 
 
 
 All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense!
 
 
 On Wed, 3/19/14, dhamiltony2k5@...
 dhamiltony2k5@...
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and
 Unity Village Kansas City
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Maybe the Transcendent is possibly
 
 more than you are cracking your TM meditation
 
 alpha-global-coherence
 
 brain wave TM research up to be and these people are
 
 transcendental
 
 meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as
 
 something more
 
 than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as
 
 some gold
 
 standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM
 
 practice
 
 in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in
 
 to the
 
 heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his
 
 TM-science
 
 cohorts are not even close to understanding
 
 spiritually.
 
 These were pretty
 
 illumined people
 
 [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd
 
 grant them some
 
 thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years
 ago
 
 may be
 
 even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing
 
 TM.   Egg,
 
 If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too
 I
 
 think
 
 you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending]
 
 meditators in life.With Kind
 
 Regards, -Buck in the
 
 Dome 
 
 sparaig writes:
 
 The fun thing about such folk
 
 is that they've missed the point that TM's effects
 
 continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice,
 so
 
 dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that
 
 they've missed out on the accumulated effects.
 
 
 
 Of course, one
 
 could claim that they have stopped breathing for every
 
 meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain
 
 there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but
 
 no-one has ever been observed to show that so the
 likelihood
 
 that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim,
 
 to me.
 
 Transcending
 
 Meditation, TM ?   One
 
 of the Unity ministers from California told of an active
 
 younger
 
 Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very
 
 helpful..
 
 Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged
 
 starting
 
 TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started
 
 with that
 
 years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well
 
 taught”. .
 
 But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things
 
 spiritual
 
 like affecting healing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-19 Thread LEnglish5

 Dear Egg, so you believe there is a strict exclusivity in your transcendence. 
To just practicing the TM technique. That people would not be able to be in 
transcending after learning TM if they did not practice TM strictly as in 
coming back to the mantra as instructed in basic TM when noticing they are off, 
like in interrupting the 'no mantra and no thought' experience when in 
Self-referral to think a mantra, or maybe able to locate silence within 
activity once discovered in TM along with praying after having learned TM? Sort 
of like we practice the TM-Sidhis?

 

 A question for you? How do you know when to interrupt the 'no mantra and no 
thought' experience and return to think the mantra if you aren't already 
thinking, in some subtle sense of the word thinking: 'gee, I'm not thinking 
the mantra?'
 

 Merely noticing samadhi means you are no longer in samadhi, afterall...
 

 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-18 Thread dhamiltony2k5
In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the 
elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM 
[Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to 
student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric 
movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades 
gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 
1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal 
arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and 
professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost 
generation.
 

 These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I 
spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families 
now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in 
transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before 
moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing 
homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like 
talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the 
successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work.
 

 In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in 
TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and 
shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much 
demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone 
now.
 

 Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 
'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically 
much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying 
a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of 
their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for 
themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio 
for their community and spirituality.
 

 These ministers I interviewed over coffee were front-line with active large 
communities who were visiting back on a conference at Unity Village sharing 
their movement's challenge. Within TM we have seen this trend too as our TM 
elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with 
Maharishi have pretty much all passed away now with their check-books gone too. 
There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources 
but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a few years ago. A lot of the 
upper-middle-class TM meditators left the TM movement in the 1990's.
 

 Likewise, a security person there reflecting on the Unity Village campus spoke 
in 3rd person about how just 10 years ago Unity V. was still a happening 
hopping place with a lot of people there and has really since dropped off to 
not much now in the last five years or so.
 

 The challenge the Unity movement see there with these elders-in-transition is 
that those deeper and sustaining check-books move with these elderly and 
consequently those deeper check-books move away from supporting their local 
Unity churches and the larger Unity movement; the baby-boomers are not as able 
or interested in keeping up the support behind their parents.
 

 Their challenge as a movement now out in the world is the competitive 
marketplace in spirituality where fewer and fewer places have demographics with 
spiritual church-attending people. I sat with some ministers from California 
and Texas Unity churches, their comment was around their work engaging young 
families and middle-age 40's with families with programming like schools, 
services and such and then additionally attending to their 
'transitional-elderly' who are being removed from their independence around by 
their baby-boomer kids, moving from their active communities and churches in to 
care facilities away from their communities.
 

 Like TM now, their [Unity] founding generations are passed and gone and their 
successive continuing elders then of the 20th Century height of their movement 
(1920-30-40-50's) are gone now too with their deep check-books. 
 

 Like TM now is post-founder, the trick their Unity foundation boards of 
trustees are dealing with is trying to keep engaged whatever subsequent 
stalwart-generational members there are of their Unity Churches out in the 
world so that when those folks [baby-boom] pass away some of their check-books 
can come to support the physical-plant of even their Unity mecca -Unity Village 
in Kansas. 

  Om,
 I was in Unity last nite and meditated there this morning too. Unity Village, 
Kansas City. Was there last week too passing through. It was really a nice 
place to meditate. The chapels were nice places to meditate. 
  They were a bunch of spiritual transcendentalists that came out 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City

2014-03-18 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Transcending Meditation, TM ?   One of the Unity ministers from California told 
of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it 
very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged 
starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that 
years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their 
spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting 
healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle 
system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual 
practice and service.
 

 In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the 
elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM 
[Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to 
student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric 
movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades 
gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 
1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal 
arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and 
professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost 
generation.
 

 These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I 
spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families 
now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially in 
transition; the older who though elderly are independent and well before 
moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing 
homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like 
talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the 
successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work.
 

 In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in 
TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and 
shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much 
demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone 
now.
 

 Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 
'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically 
much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying 
a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of 
their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for 
themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio 
for their community and spirituality.
 

 These ministers I interviewed over coffee were front-line with active large 
communities who were visiting back on a conference at Unity Village sharing 
their movement's challenge. Within TM we have seen this trend too as our TM 
elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with 
Maharishi have pretty much all passed away now with their check-books gone too. 
There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources 
but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a few years ago. A lot of the 
upper-middle-class TM meditators left the TM movement in the 1990's.
 

 Likewise, a security person there reflecting on the Unity Village campus spoke 
in 3rd person about how just 10 years ago Unity V. was still a happening 
hopping place with a lot of people there and has really since dropped off to 
not much now in the last five years or so.
 

 The challenge the Unity movement see there with these elders-in-transition is 
that those deeper and sustaining check-books move with these elderly and 
consequently those deeper check-books move away from supporting their local 
Unity churches and the larger Unity movement; the baby-boomers are not as able 
or interested in keeping up the support behind their parents.
 

 Their challenge as a movement now out in the world is the competitive 
marketplace in spirituality where fewer and fewer places have demographics with 
spiritual church-attending people. I sat with some ministers from California 
and Texas Unity churches, their comment was around their work engaging young 
families and middle-age 40's with families with programming like schools, 
services and such and then additionally attending to their 
'transitional-elderly' who are being removed from their independence around by 
their baby-boomer kids, moving from their active communities and churches in to 
care facilities away from their communities.
 

 Like TM now, their [Unity] founding generations are passed and gone and their 
successive continuing elders then of the 20th Century height of their movement 
(1920-30-40-50's) are gone now too with their deep check-books. 
 

 Like TM now is post-founder, the trick their Unity 

[FairfieldLife] Bravo [Meditating] Fairfield, Iowa

2013-11-04 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Fairfield has melded small town Iowa values with the exotic culture inspired 
by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 
 

 
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201311030405/OPINION01/311030029nclick_check=1
 
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201311030405/OPINION01/311030029nclick_check=1



[FairfieldLife] !Spiritual Meditating Fairfield, Iowa scores again in Smithsonian Magazine !

2013-02-14 Thread Buck
so proud of our 'little city'.

April Smithsonian Magazine to Name Fairfield as Top City

The April issue of Smithsonian magazine will include Fairfield in an article on 
the Top 20 Small Towns in the Midwest with populations under 15,000.

Fairfield was selected based on criteria such as quality of life, cultural 
diversity, and other intangibles.

The author of the article, Susan Spano, visited Fairfield for two days in late 
January and included MUM's Sustainable Living Center on her itinerary.

The top 20 cities will be featured on the Smithsonian website, and the top 10 
will be highlighted in the magazine.

Ms. Spano was impressed with Fairfield's diversity, culture, and other 
intangibles.