[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" 
 
> > > wrote:
> 
> > > > Judith - learn to read.
> > > 
> > > Hilarious.  After either failing to read or failing
> > > to comprehend what I wrote, Shemp tells *me* to learn
> > > to read.
> > 
> > Uh, Judith, stop frothing for a moment and reread: that was 
Peter 
> > who wrote that, not me.
> 
> Oh, Shemp, I am SO sorry!


Apology accepted.



> 
> It really is the sort of thing you do, though.  And
> it even sounds like the way you write.
> 
> Still, definitely my bad.  My sincerest apologies.
> 
> Hey, Peter Klutz, please note that I was mocking
> you, not Shemp.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"  
> > wrote:

> > > Judith - learn to read.
> > 
> > Hilarious.  After either failing to read or failing
> > to comprehend what I wrote, Shemp tells *me* to learn
> > to read.
> 
> Uh, Judith, stop frothing for a moment and reread: that was Peter 
> who wrote that, not me.

Oh, Shemp, I am SO sorry!

It really is the sort of thing you do, though.  And
it even sounds like the way you write.

Still, definitely my bad.  My sincerest apologies.

Hey, Peter Klutz, please note that I was mocking
you, not Shemp.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Iran's leader has been clear and unambiguous:
> > > > they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off the
> > > > face of the Earth.
> > > 
> > > Actually, no, he hasn't.
> > > 
> > > That's the meme that's been going around,
> > > but it's inaccurate; what he said was *not*
> > > clear and unambiguous by any means.  The way
> > > it was translated made it *seem* to be what
> > > he was clearly saying, but according to at
> > > least one expert, he was actually expressing
> > > his hope for the fall of the current Israeli
> > > government.  He was alluding to a metaphor
> > > that had previously been used by Khomeini
> > > (which Iranians would quickly recognize), and
> > > it was translated as if he'd meant it literally.
> > > 
> > > It was one of those complicated linguistic
> > > and cultural misunderstandings, and it's been
> > > exploited to demonize Ahmadinejad.
> > > 
> > > (And no, Shemp, I'm not suggesting he's a
> > > peaceful humanitarian who wants nothing but 
> > > the best for Israel.)
> > >
> > 
> > Is there no bottom to the abysss you jumped in all these postings
> > ago?
> > 
> > Readers of this post are hereby advised to see for themselves:
> > 
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?
> ex=1155182400&en=d5c5b1bf1f238e6d&ei=5070
> > 
> > Here's an excerpt:
> 
> (This is *the* excerpt, BTW, the one that started the
> meme.)
>  
> > Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be 
wiped 
> > off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot 
> > compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create 
a 
> > new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat 
and 
> > whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in 
fact, 
> > signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted 
the 
> > heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the 
occupying 
> > regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in 
> > Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will 
> > eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.
> > 
> > Judith - learn to read.
> 
> Hilarious.  After either failing to read or failing
> to comprehend what I wrote, Shemp tells *me* to learn
> to read.


Uh, Judith, stop frothing for a moment and reread: that was Peter 
who wrote that, not me.



> 
> Shemp, what words in "The way it was translated made
> it *seem* to be what he was clearly saying" do you not
> understand?
> 
> Or did you perhaps think he was speaking English to
> start with?
> 
> You do this to yourself *all the time*.
> 
> Now look at the quote, where he refers to "the
> occupying regime."  What words in "he was actually
> expressing his hope for the fall of the current
> Israeli government" did you not understand?
> 
> The translator's bracketed interpolation "[Israel]"
> is not accurate.  He's talking about the *government*,
> not the country, not the Jews.
> 
> Finally, "wiped off the map," the crucial phrase that
> started the meme, is a mistranslation of Khomeini's
> metaphor; that idiom doesn't even exist in Persian.
> A closer translation would be "must vanish from the
> page of time"--very abstract, not a threat, not
> referring to violence, but rather to the idea that
> nothing--in this case, the oppression of Palestinians
> specifically--is permanent.
> 
> Shemp, it would make sense for you to challenge what
> I wrote and demand that I defend it.  It makes no
> sense at all for you to dismiss what I wrote as
> "falling into the abyss" *without even having read it*.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Finally, "wiped off the map," the crucial phrase that
> started the meme, is a mistranslation of Khomeini's
> metaphor; that idiom doesn't even exist in Persian.
> A closer translation would be "must vanish from the
> page of time"--very abstract, not a threat, not
> referring to violence, but rather to the idea that
> nothing--in this case, the oppression of Palestinians
> specifically--is permanent.

P.S.: When Khomeini said "The occupation regime over
Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time," there 
was no outcry; and Israel was at that very moment
secretly shipping arms to Tehran.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Iran's leader has been clear and unambiguous:
> > > they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off the
> > > face of the Earth.
> > 
> > Actually, no, he hasn't.
> > 
> > That's the meme that's been going around,
> > but it's inaccurate; what he said was *not*
> > clear and unambiguous by any means.  The way
> > it was translated made it *seem* to be what
> > he was clearly saying, but according to at
> > least one expert, he was actually expressing
> > his hope for the fall of the current Israeli
> > government.  He was alluding to a metaphor
> > that had previously been used by Khomeini
> > (which Iranians would quickly recognize), and
> > it was translated as if he'd meant it literally.
> > 
> > It was one of those complicated linguistic
> > and cultural misunderstandings, and it's been
> > exploited to demonize Ahmadinejad.
> > 
> > (And no, Shemp, I'm not suggesting he's a
> > peaceful humanitarian who wants nothing but 
> > the best for Israel.)
> >
> 
> Is there no bottom to the abysss you jumped in all these postings
> ago?
> 
> Readers of this post are hereby advised to see for themselves:
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?
ex=1155182400&en=d5c5b1bf1f238e6d&ei=5070
> 
> Here's an excerpt:

(This is *the* excerpt, BTW, the one that started the
meme.)
 
> Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped 
> off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot 
> compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a 
> new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and 
> whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, 
> signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the 
> heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying 
> regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in 
> Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will 
> eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.
> 
> Judith - learn to read.

Hilarious.  After either failing to read or failing
to comprehend what I wrote, Shemp tells *me* to learn
to read.

Shemp, what words in "The way it was translated made
it *seem* to be what he was clearly saying" do you not
understand?

Or did you perhaps think he was speaking English to
start with?

You do this to yourself *all the time*.

Now look at the quote, where he refers to "the
occupying regime."  What words in "he was actually
expressing his hope for the fall of the current
Israeli government" did you not understand?

The translator's bracketed interpolation "[Israel]"
is not accurate.  He's talking about the *government*,
not the country, not the Jews.

Finally, "wiped off the map," the crucial phrase that
started the meme, is a mistranslation of Khomeini's
metaphor; that idiom doesn't even exist in Persian.
A closer translation would be "must vanish from the
page of time"--very abstract, not a threat, not
referring to violence, but rather to the idea that
nothing--in this case, the oppression of Palestinians
specifically--is permanent.

Shemp, it would make sense for you to challenge what
I wrote and demand that I defend it.  It makes no
sense at all for you to dismiss what I wrote as
"falling into the abyss" *without even having read it*.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Iran's leader has been clear and unambiguous:
> > > they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off the
> > > face of the Earth.
> > 
> > Actually, no, he hasn't.
> > 
> > That's the meme that's been going around,
> > but it's inaccurate; what he said was *not*
> > clear and unambiguous by any means.  The way
> > it was translated made it *seem* to be what
> > he was clearly saying, but according to at
> > least one expert, he was actually expressing
> > his hope for the fall of the current Israeli
> > government.  He was alluding to a metaphor
> > that had previously been used by Khomeini
> > (which Iranians would quickly recognize), and
> > it was translated as if he'd meant it literally.
> > 
> > It was one of those complicated linguistic
> > and cultural misunderstandings, and it's been
> > exploited to demonize Ahmadinejad.
> > 
> > (And no, Shemp, I'm not suggesting he's a
> > peaceful humanitarian who wants nothing but 
> > the best for Israel.)
> 
> More homework for Judith..

How incredibly weird that you think I'm not familiar
with all this.

I'm just curious: Can you explain the basis for
that conclusion?



 
> Ahmadinejad the Holocaust denier..
> http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/OLI567261.htm
> 
> Ahmadinejad the Nazi-demagogue (compares Isarel to Hitler)..
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/index.html
> 
> Ahmadinejad the "Terminator" (Tir Khalas Zan) - after a stint as a
> head torturer and executioner..
> http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2677
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Iran's leader has been clear and unambiguous:
> > they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off the
> > face of the Earth.
> 
> Actually, no, he hasn't.
> 
> That's the meme that's been going around,
> but it's inaccurate; what he said was *not*
> clear and unambiguous by any means.  The way
> it was translated made it *seem* to be what
> he was clearly saying, but according to at
> least one expert, he was actually expressing
> his hope for the fall of the current Israeli
> government.  He was alluding to a metaphor
> that had previously been used by Khomeini
> (which Iranians would quickly recognize), and
> it was translated as if he'd meant it literally.
> 
> It was one of those complicated linguistic
> and cultural misunderstandings, and it's been
> exploited to demonize Ahmadinejad.
> 
> (And no, Shemp, I'm not suggesting he's a
> peaceful humanitarian who wants nothing but 
> the best for Israel.)



Are you suggesting that he's a peaceful humanitarian who wants 
nothing but the best for Israel?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Iran's leader has been clear and unambiguous:
> > they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off the
> > face of the Earth.
> 
> Actually, no, he hasn't.
> 
> That's the meme that's been going around,
> but it's inaccurate; what he said was *not*
> clear and unambiguous by any means.  The way
> it was translated made it *seem* to be what
> he was clearly saying, but according to at
> least one expert, he was actually expressing
> his hope for the fall of the current Israeli
> government.  He was alluding to a metaphor
> that had previously been used by Khomeini
> (which Iranians would quickly recognize), and
> it was translated as if he'd meant it literally.
> 
> It was one of those complicated linguistic
> and cultural misunderstandings, and it's been
> exploited to demonize Ahmadinejad.
> 
> (And no, Shemp, I'm not suggesting he's a
> peaceful humanitarian who wants nothing but 
> the best for Israel.)
>

More homework for Judith..

Ahmadinejad the Holocaust denier..
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/OLI567261.htm

Ahmadinejad the Nazi-demagogue (compares Isarel to Hitler)..
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/index.html

Ahmadinejad the "Terminator" (Tir Khalas Zan) - after a stint as a
head torturer and executioner..
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2677







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Iran's leader has been clear and unambiguous:
> > they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off the
> > face of the Earth.
> 
> Actually, no, he hasn't.
> 
> That's the meme that's been going around,
> but it's inaccurate; what he said was *not*
> clear and unambiguous by any means.  The way
> it was translated made it *seem* to be what
> he was clearly saying, but according to at
> least one expert, he was actually expressing
> his hope for the fall of the current Israeli
> government.  He was alluding to a metaphor
> that had previously been used by Khomeini
> (which Iranians would quickly recognize), and
> it was translated as if he'd meant it literally.
> 
> It was one of those complicated linguistic
> and cultural misunderstandings, and it's been
> exploited to demonize Ahmadinejad.
> 
> (And no, Shemp, I'm not suggesting he's a
> peaceful humanitarian who wants nothing but 
> the best for Israel.)
>

Is there no bottom to the abysss you jumped in all these postings ago?

Readers of this post are hereby advised to see for themselves:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?ex=1155182400&en=d5c5b1bf1f238e6d&ei=5070

Here's an excerpt:

Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off
the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over
the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the
heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the
legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, signed the defeat of
the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world
oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no
doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness
it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain
from the Islamic world.

Judith - learn to read.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Iran's leader has been clear and unambiguous:
> they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off the
> face of the Earth.

Actually, no, he hasn't.

That's the meme that's been going around,
but it's inaccurate; what he said was *not*
clear and unambiguous by any means.  The way
it was translated made it *seem* to be what
he was clearly saying, but according to at
least one expert, he was actually expressing
his hope for the fall of the current Israeli
government.  He was alluding to a metaphor
that had previously been used by Khomeini
(which Iranians would quickly recognize), and
it was translated as if he'd meant it literally.

It was one of those complicated linguistic
and cultural misunderstandings, and it's been
exploited to demonize Ahmadinejad.

(And no, Shemp, I'm not suggesting he's a
peaceful humanitarian who wants nothing but 
the best for Israel.)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > The Nobel Peace Prize 2006 to Dan Gillerman?
> 
> 
> I find both Gillerman and Benjamin Netanyahu are great spokesmen for 
> the Israeli cause.
> 

Today, Gillerman is more thant that: he is a teacher of men - he
states in clear and compassionate terms that which no one else dares,
knows how to, or is able, to say.


> 
> 
> > 
> > Hearing this man explain to the world with force, patience and
> > compassion the real situation fills stirs the hearts of the 
> righteous
> > with joy. 
> > 
> > When this is over, the world will thank him and his fellow 
> compatriots
> > for carrying the world on their shoulders in these perilious times
> > (i.e. once and for all sorting out the mad mullahs of the Middle 
> East
> > and create a larger Kingdom of Israel along the 1967 6 day-war 
> borders).
> > 
> > When this is accomplished, Sat Yuga is here!
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The present incursion into Lebanon, makes me wonder;
> > > >   If Israel, eventually wouldn't like to see;
> > > >   The United States, get directly involved in a confrontation 
> in 
> > > Iran.
> > > >   Since the missles being supplied are from Iran;
> > > >   And the Iranian policy is based on destruction of Israel, 
> and 
> > > the US.
> > > >   It seems like a collision course has started;
> > > >   Between the US and the Iranians.
> > > >   R.G.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't think Israel will wait for the Americans.
> > > 
> > > If the Americans and/or the Europeans won't do something -- and 
> > > fast -- the Israelis will.
> > > 
> > > And don't rule out the use of nuclear force.  Iran's leader has 
> been 
> > > clear and unambiguous: they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off 
> the 
> > > face of the Earth.  Nazrullah -- Iran's puppet in Lebanon -- has 
> > > taken his explicit anti-Semitic stance quite clearly: Jews are 
> > > animals and all must be destroyed.
> > > 
> > > We must take these people at their word.  I certainly hope 
> Israel 
> > > does.  
> > > 
> > > And then acts upon it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -
> > > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone 
> calls.  
> > > Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

[snip]
 
> The United States will still have to be very much involved;
> The Israelis depend on our satellites;
> And our delivery systems, namely the B-2 steath bomber.
> And also, the partriot missles, for 'incoming'.
> So, it will still be the United States' technology;
> That hopefully will win the conflict.
> What bother's me is the Arab aftermath;
> If you think they are quite insane now;
> What happens when the so-called moderate states;
> Like Jordan, and Egypt; get crazy out of hand;
> And what about the 600 lbs. elephant in the room:
> Pakastan?
> Not sure what would happen in the aftermath;
> Of a nuclear attack on Tehran, Iran, and the possible assasination; 
> Of the Hezbollah leader, who to them is like a JFK, figure...
> R.G.

I wouldn't worry about any Arab aftermath. Given the mentality on the
Arab street, someone firmly putting down their foot and laying out the
options for them will work like a charm.

What really makes this street boil is the perceived weakness of others. 

An exception could be the Persians (Iran), who have a different mental
make-up. Unfortunatelly, the light at the end of their tunnel just
might be found at the end of the trajectory of a swarm of ICBMs.



 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> The Nobel Peace Prize 2006 to Dan Gillerman?


I find both Gillerman and Benjamin Netanyahu are great spokesmen for 
the Israeli cause.



> 
> Hearing this man explain to the world with force, patience and
> compassion the real situation fills stirs the hearts of the 
righteous
> with joy. 
> 
> When this is over, the world will thank him and his fellow 
compatriots
> for carrying the world on their shoulders in these perilious times
> (i.e. once and for all sorting out the mad mullahs of the Middle 
East
> and create a larger Kingdom of Israel along the 1967 6 day-war 
borders).
> 
> When this is accomplished, Sat Yuga is here!
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The present incursion into Lebanon, makes me wonder;
> > >   If Israel, eventually wouldn't like to see;
> > >   The United States, get directly involved in a confrontation 
in 
> > Iran.
> > >   Since the missles being supplied are from Iran;
> > >   And the Iranian policy is based on destruction of Israel, 
and 
> > the US.
> > >   It seems like a collision course has started;
> > >   Between the US and the Iranians.
> > >   R.G.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't think Israel will wait for the Americans.
> > 
> > If the Americans and/or the Europeans won't do something -- and 
> > fast -- the Israelis will.
> > 
> > And don't rule out the use of nuclear force.  Iran's leader has 
been 
> > clear and unambiguous: they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off 
the 
> > face of the Earth.  Nazrullah -- Iran's puppet in Lebanon -- has 
> > taken his explicit anti-Semitic stance quite clearly: Jews are 
> > animals and all must be destroyed.
> > 
> > We must take these people at their word.  I certainly hope 
Israel 
> > does.  
> > 
> > And then acts upon it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > -
> > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone 
calls.  
> > Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
> > >
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The present incursion into Lebanon, makes me wonder;
> > >   If Israel, eventually wouldn't like to see;
> > >   The United States, get directly involved in a confrontation 
in 
> > Iran.
> > >   Since the missles being supplied are from Iran;
> > >   And the Iranian policy is based on destruction of Israel, 
and 
> > the US.
> > >   It seems like a collision course has started;
> > >   Between the US and the Iranians.
> > >   R.G.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't think Israel will wait for the Americans.
> > 
> > If the Americans and/or the Europeans won't do something -- and 
> > fast -- the Israelis will.
> > 
> > And don't rule out the use of nuclear force.  Iran's leader has 
> been 
> > clear and unambiguous: they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off 
> the 
> > face of the Earth.  Nazrullah -- Iran's puppet in Lebanon -- has 
> > taken his explicit anti-Semitic stance quite clearly: Jews are 
> > animals and all must be destroyed.
> > 
> > We must take these people at their word.  I certainly hope 
Israel 
> > does.  
> > 
> > And then acts upon it.
> 
> The United States will still have to be very much involved;
> The Israelis depend on our satellites;
> And our delivery systems, namely the B-2 steath bomber.
> And also, the partriot missles, for 'incoming'.
> So, it will still be the United States' technology;
> That hopefully will win the conflict.
> What bother's me is the Arab aftermath;
> If you think they are quite insane now;
> What happens when the so-called moderate states;
> Like Jordan, and Egypt; get crazy out of hand;
> And what about the 600 lbs. elephant in the room:
> Pakastan?
> Not sure what would happen in the aftermath;
> Of a nuclear attack on Tehran, Iran, and the possible 
assasination; 
> Of the Hezbollah leader, who to them is like a JFK, figure...
> R.G.



One of Maharishi's scapegoats for the failure of the TMO is the CIA.

Arab countries scapegoats for the failures of their countries are 
the U.S. and Israel.

How convenient.







> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > -
> > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone 
calls.  
> > Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
> > >
> >
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread peterklutz

The Nobel Peace Prize 2006 to Dan Gillerman?

Hearing this man explain to the world with force, patience and
compassion the real situation fills stirs the hearts of the righteous
with joy. 

When this is over, the world will thank him and his fellow compatriots
for carrying the world on their shoulders in these perilious times
(i.e. once and for all sorting out the mad mullahs of the Middle East
and create a larger Kingdom of Israel along the 1967 6 day-war borders).

When this is accomplished, Sat Yuga is here!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel  
> wrote:
> >
> > The present incursion into Lebanon, makes me wonder;
> >   If Israel, eventually wouldn't like to see;
> >   The United States, get directly involved in a confrontation in 
> Iran.
> >   Since the missles being supplied are from Iran;
> >   And the Iranian policy is based on destruction of Israel, and 
> the US.
> >   It seems like a collision course has started;
> >   Between the US and the Iranians.
> >   R.G.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't think Israel will wait for the Americans.
> 
> If the Americans and/or the Europeans won't do something -- and 
> fast -- the Israelis will.
> 
> And don't rule out the use of nuclear force.  Iran's leader has been 
> clear and unambiguous: they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off the 
> face of the Earth.  Nazrullah -- Iran's puppet in Lebanon -- has 
> taken his explicit anti-Semitic stance quite clearly: Jews are 
> animals and all must be destroyed.
> 
> We must take these people at their word.  I certainly hope Israel 
> does.  
> 
> And then acts upon it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > -
> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.  
> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel  
> wrote:
> >
> > The present incursion into Lebanon, makes me wonder;
> >   If Israel, eventually wouldn't like to see;
> >   The United States, get directly involved in a confrontation in 
> Iran.
> >   Since the missles being supplied are from Iran;
> >   And the Iranian policy is based on destruction of Israel, and 
> the US.
> >   It seems like a collision course has started;
> >   Between the US and the Iranians.
> >   R.G.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't think Israel will wait for the Americans.
> 
> If the Americans and/or the Europeans won't do something -- and 
> fast -- the Israelis will.
> 
> And don't rule out the use of nuclear force.  Iran's leader has 
been 
> clear and unambiguous: they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off 
the 
> face of the Earth.  Nazrullah -- Iran's puppet in Lebanon -- has 
> taken his explicit anti-Semitic stance quite clearly: Jews are 
> animals and all must be destroyed.
> 
> We must take these people at their word.  I certainly hope Israel 
> does.  
> 
> And then acts upon it.

The United States will still have to be very much involved;
The Israelis depend on our satellites;
And our delivery systems, namely the B-2 steath bomber.
And also, the partriot missles, for 'incoming'.
So, it will still be the United States' technology;
That hopefully will win the conflict.
What bother's me is the Arab aftermath;
If you think they are quite insane now;
What happens when the so-called moderate states;
Like Jordan, and Egypt; get crazy out of hand;
And what about the 600 lbs. elephant in the room:
Pakastan?
Not sure what would happen in the aftermath;
Of a nuclear attack on Tehran, Iran, and the possible assasination; 
Of the Hezbollah leader, who to them is like a JFK, figure...
R.G.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > -
> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.  
> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
> >
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Israel Want To Wipe Iran Off The Map?'

2006-08-08 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> The present incursion into Lebanon, makes me wonder;
>   If Israel, eventually wouldn't like to see;
>   The United States, get directly involved in a confrontation in 
Iran.
>   Since the missles being supplied are from Iran;
>   And the Iranian policy is based on destruction of Israel, and 
the US.
>   It seems like a collision course has started;
>   Between the US and the Iranians.
>   R.G.




I don't think Israel will wait for the Americans.

If the Americans and/or the Europeans won't do something -- and 
fast -- the Israelis will.

And don't rule out the use of nuclear force.  Iran's leader has been 
clear and unambiguous: they want to wipe Israel and its Jews off the 
face of the Earth.  Nazrullah -- Iran's puppet in Lebanon -- has 
taken his explicit anti-Semitic stance quite clearly: Jews are 
animals and all must be destroyed.

We must take these people at their word.  I certainly hope Israel 
does.  

And then acts upon it.




> 
>   
> -
> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.  
Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
>






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