Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
hey Mr. Soss, here's a reply from someone on Batgap. Hope it helps one way or the other. The consensus is CC is not reversible: CC is not reversible. The change includes a change in identification, in our relationship with source and in our energy system. The recognition is felt throughout creation. Keep in mind it is not a person who wakes up and can thus lose something. It is Self waking up to Itself. Self doesn't get confused or forget. This is not a linear mechanical process but human growth and development. Consider puberty. Can we lose puberty? Does everyone have the same experience of it? Is it linear? That said, there are people who have sustained states that fade. There are people who witness 24/7 permanently who have not actually switched yet. (have reached Makara but not crown) They may seem awake and have great experiences but also have non-awake characteristics. And there are those who are recently awake but for whom the subjective experience is not yet clear. They're doing some purification and/or mind is trying to regain control. That does eventually complete and become clear but it varies how long. This isn't losing it though it may seem like it subjectively sometimes. Share again: In the paragraph just above, Makara is a term used by PKYC lineage and refers to a point in upper brow ajna. According to their teaching once Kundalini Shakti reaches Makara She is stable there and proceeds to crown chakra unimpeded. Prior to reaching Makara Kundalini Shakti can travel up and down the chakra system continuously. But this is very hard on the physiology and indicative of a deflected or blocked situation. The specialty of PKYC is remedying such. They have a 97% success rate! From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 5:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Once the chakras are open they're open. You've been rewired. Anyone who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not enlightened in the first place. Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied with Maharishi, including myself. I posted the question to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound understanding on the subject. I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin turned up on FFL with his story. On 12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote: Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind if I attempt to answer this. Not at all. First of all Maharishi has explained that with practice of the sidhas we develop all the higher states simultaneously. And I've heard of at least one person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three days. It was a gov who labeled it such. Yes, why not ? When the time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be the factor that push you into enlightenment in an instant. Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that once this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does not take on any more stress. Lines on air. So yes, I'd say real CC is irreversible. I think a person can have Unity experiences. I know someone who is having Brahman experiences these days. But he's realized it's not stabilized Brahman. Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get some really useful feedback. I can only hope you are joking. I'm afraid my impression is that the majority there have serious difficulties understand their relative nature and role in the world, let alone their absolute, unchanging nature :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: My question was; in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ? Emphatically no!! When I first began experiencing 24/7 witnessing, silence, or whatever you want to call it, I did not treat it tenderly - I did everything I could to destroy it within myself. Wasn't possible. Just keeps getting stronger. Good. So there's at least 4 people on this forum + someone at Batgap that has the opinion that Cosmic Consciousness is irreversable. As Bhairitu put it; You've been rewired. Sorry mate, you're free, nothing can be done about that. But say you employ an electrician to throw all those new wires out and replace them with the old ones. Would that be technically possible ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: hey Mr. Soss,
here's a reply from someone on Batgap. Hope it helps one way or the
other. The consensus is CC is not reversible: CC is not
reversible.
Glad to know someone is an expert. And such irrefutable proof they give.
The change includes a change in identification, in our relationship
with source and in our energy system. The recognition is felt
throughout creation. Keep in mind it is not a person who wakes up
and can thus lose something. It is Self waking up to Itself. Self
doesn't get confused or forget.
Sure it forgets. It forgot, while someone was in waking state .
This is not a linear mechanical process but human growth and
development. Consider puberty. Can we lose puberty?
Sure, once we move on from puberty. Once our endocrine system has done
its work to make us fully functioning reproductive adults. Voila, we are
no longer in puberty.
Does everyone have the same experience of it? Is it linear?
Well, is it?
That said, there are people who have sustained states that fade.
There are people who witness 24/7 permanently who have not actually
switched yet. (have reached Makara but not crown) They may seem
awake and have great experiences but also have non-awake
characteristics. And there are those who are recently awake but for
whom the subjective experience is not yet clear. They're doing some
purification and/or mind is trying to regain control. That does
eventually complete and become clear but it varies how long. This
isn't losing it though it may seem like it subjectively sometimes.
Share again:Â In the paragraph just above, Makara is a term used by
PKYC lineage and refers to a point in upper brow ajna. According to
their teaching once Kundalini Shakti reaches Makara She is stable there
and proceeds to crown chakra unimpeded. Prior to reaching Makara
Kundalini Shakti can travel up and down the chakra system
continuously. But this is very hard on the physiology and
indicative of a deflected or blocked situation. The specialty of
PKYC is remedying such. They have a 97% success rate!
I wonder how they measure that?!
I'm at least glad to know there are such experts out there on what
happens to everyone regarding states of consciousness. When I finally
get out of AC I will be sure and look them up for verification of which
shakra is about to be opened and how I can keep the kundalini from
reversing itself and upsetting my otherwise imperfect physiology. God, I
hope my Makara is ready for the shakti.
From: nablusoss1008 To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Once
the chakras are open they're open. You've been rewired. Anyone who
thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not enlightened
in the first place. Well, that certainly is the understanding one has
if one has studied with Maharishi, including myself. I posted the
question to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound
understanding on the subject. I also wonder why this question did not
arise as soon as Robin turned up on FFL with his story. On
12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote: Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I
did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind if I attempt to answer
this. Not at all. First of all Maharishi has explained that with
practice of the sidhas we develop all the higher states simultaneously.
And I've heard of at least one person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in
three days. It was a gov who labeled it such. Yes, why not ? When the
time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be the factor that
push you into enlightenment in an instant. Anyway, I think of CC as
having a nervous system without stress and that once this state is
reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does not take on any
more stress. Lines on air. So yes, I'd say real CC is irreversible. I
think a person can have Unity experiences. I know someone who is having
Brahman experiences these days. But he's realized it's not stabilized
Brahman.Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum,
you'd get some really useful feedback. I can only hope you are joking.
I'm afraid my impression is that the majority there have serious
difficulties understand their relative nature and role in the world, let
alone their absolute, unchanging nature :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
Hey Ann, I was driving past the large fields of Stanford's campus (it is huge),
past the satellite dish, and saw numerous horses standing in a field eating, in
the rain, temp about 55 F, each covered shoulder to rump with a blanket. I
guess if they are wool, it works. Horses, despite their massive size and
strength always seem so fragile to me. Are they less susceptible to cold than
we humans are?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: hey Mr. Soss,
here's a reply from someone on Batgap. Hope it helps one way or the
other. The consensus is CC is not reversible: CC is not
reversible.
Glad to know someone is an expert. And such irrefutable proof they give.
The change includes a change in identification, in our relationship
with source and in our energy system. The recognition is felt
throughout creation. Keep in mind it is not a person who wakes up
and can thus lose something. It is Self waking up to Itself. Self
doesn't get confused or forget.
Sure it forgets. It forgot, while someone was in waking state .
This is not a linear mechanical process but human growth and
development. Consider puberty. Can we lose puberty?
Sure, once we move on from puberty. Once our endocrine system has done
its work to make us fully functioning reproductive adults. Voila, we are
no longer in puberty.
Does everyone have the same experience of it? Is it linear?
Well, is it?
That said, there are people who have sustained states that fade.
There are people who witness 24/7 permanently who have not actually
switched yet. (have reached Makara but not crown) They may seem
awake and have great experiences but also have non-awake
characteristics. And there are those who are recently awake but for
whom the subjective experience is not yet clear. They're doing some
purification and/or mind is trying to regain control. That does
eventually complete and become clear but it varies how long. This
isn't losing it though it may seem like it subjectively sometimes.
Share again:Â In the paragraph just above, Makara is a term used by
PKYC lineage and refers to a point in upper brow ajna. According to
their teaching once Kundalini Shakti reaches Makara She is stable there
and proceeds to crown chakra unimpeded. Prior to reaching Makara
Kundalini Shakti can travel up and down the chakra system
continuously. But this is very hard on the physiology and
indicative of a deflected or blocked situation. The specialty of
PKYC is remedying such. They have a 97% success rate!
I wonder how they measure that?!
I'm at least glad to know there are such experts out there on what
happens to everyone regarding states of consciousness. When I finally
get out of AC I will be sure and look them up for verification of which
shakra is about to be opened and how I can keep the kundalini from
reversing itself and upsetting my otherwise imperfect physiology. God, I
hope my Makara is ready for the shakti.
From: nablusoss1008 To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Once
the chakras are open they're open. You've been rewired. Anyone who
thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not enlightened
in the first place. Well, that certainly is the understanding one has
if one has studied with Maharishi, including myself. I posted the
question to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound
understanding on the subject. I also wonder why this question did not
arise as soon as Robin turned up on FFL with his story. On
12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote: Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I
did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind if I attempt to answer
this. Not at all. First of all Maharishi has explained that with
practice of the sidhas we develop all the higher states simultaneously.
And I've heard of at least one person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in
three days. It was a gov who labeled it such. Yes, why not ? When the
time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be the factor that
push you into enlightenment in an instant. Anyway, I think of CC as
having a nervous system without stress and that once this state is
reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does not take on any
more stress. Lines on air. So yes, I'd say real CC is irreversible. I
think a person can have Unity experiences. I know someone who is having
Brahman experiences these days. But he's realized it's not stabilized
Brahman.Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum,
you'd get some really useful feedback. I can only hope you are joking.
I'm afraid my impression is that the majority there have
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
Let's remember that established CC, or life for that matter, doesn't occur in a vacuum. So the experience of 24/7 CC really comes about as a fairly lengthy process of tuning our inner selves to that universal silence. Nature or the universe or whatever, provides no opportunity for us to reverse that intimacy, once it is established. Just the opposite in fact - The universe so loves the experience of being awake within us, that it begins to provide more and more opportunities, using both positive and negative reinforcement, to engage us further, until it has brought us into its embrace fully. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: My question was; in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ? Emphatically no!! When I first began experiencing 24/7 witnessing, silence, or whatever you want to call it, I did not treat it tenderly - I did everything I could to destroy it within myself. Wasn't possible. Just keeps getting stronger. Good. So there's at least 4 people on this forum + someone at Batgap that has the opinion that Cosmic Consciousness is irreversable. As Bhairitu put it; You've been rewired. Sorry mate, you're free, nothing can be done about that. But say you employ an electrician to throw all those new wires out and replace them with the old ones. Would that be technically possible ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Let's remember that established CC, or life for that matter, doesn't occur in a vacuum. So the experience of 24/7 CC really comes about as a fairly lengthy process of tuning our inner selves to that universal silence. Nature or the universe or whatever, provides no opportunity for us to reverse that intimacy, once it is established. Just the opposite in fact - The universe so loves the experience of being awake within us, that it begins to provide more and more opportunities, using both positive and negative reinforcement, to engage us further, until it has brought us into its embrace fully. Beautiful, thanks. From this, and what has been stated from 4 posters here + one from Batgap we can safely conclude, once we are rewired there is no way to undo the result of countless lifetimes in yearning for fulfilment. Enlightenment is irreversable. Which also brings to conclusion the questioning of the validity of Robin's claims of having been enlightened. He could not de-enlighten that which never took place in the first place however many posts on FFLt he claims the contrary. I'm sure his many fans here and elswhere will look forward to his posts as they are often poetic and astute, but from now on without the claim of ever having been enlightened. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: My question was; in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ? Emphatically no!! When I first began experiencing 24/7 witnessing, silence, or whatever you want to call it, I did not treat it tenderly - I did everything I could to destroy it within myself. Wasn't possible. Just keeps getting stronger. Good. So there's at least 4 people on this forum + someone at Batgap that has the opinion that Cosmic Consciousness is irreversable. As Bhairitu put it; You've been rewired. Sorry mate, you're free, nothing can be done about that. But say you employ an electrician to throw all those new wires out and replace them with the old ones. Would that be technically possible ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Hey Ann, I was driving past the large fields of Stanford's campus (it is huge), past the satellite dish, and saw numerous horses standing in a field eating, in the rain, temp about 55 F, each covered shoulder to rump with a blanket. I guess if they are wool, it works. Horses, despite their massive size and strength always seem so fragile to me. Are they less susceptible to cold than we humans are? Hey Dr, horses are fairly resilient to cold if you allow them to grow a normal winter coat which they will do naturally (sometimes people start blanketing earlier to inhibit the growth of the hair though). This hair coat will fluff up when the horse is cold and trap air between the skin and the hair shafts. Most people who are using their horses as competition horses or who ride every day will clip their horses. They sometimes clip every inch of the horse and sometimes just certain areas. But when you do that you have to blanket them. Depending on the temperature and how much hair you took off you need to use heavy blankets with hollofil and a waterproof and breathable outer shell. There are lots and lots of types of blankets available from stable quilts to cool out rugs to rain shells to show sheets. We sell winter blankets that retail for up to $475 but these are really good ones from Ireland. I keep my big horse, Donatello, in clothes all the time summer or winter. In the summer he wears a fly sheet, very cool and breathy and in the winter he wears a waterproof 200g blanket with a hood. Because he is a true black I like to keep him covered to keep him from bleaching in the summer plus the flies are obnoxious to horses so he wears a fly mask too! A real caped crusader. [Rambo® Protector picture] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: hey Mr. Soss, here's a reply from someone on Batgap. Hope it helps one way or the other. The consensus is CC is not reversible: CC is not reversible. Glad to know someone is an expert. And such irrefutable proof they give.The change includes a change in identification, in our relationship with source and in our energy system. The recognition is felt throughout creation. Keep in mind it is not a person who wakes up and can thus lose something. It is Self waking up to Itself. Self doesn't get confused or forget. Sure it forgets. It forgot, while someone was in waking state . This is not a linear mechanical process but human growth and development. Consider puberty. Can we lose puberty? Sure, once we move on from puberty. Once our endocrine system has done its work to make us fully functioning reproductive adults. Voila, we are no longer in puberty. Does everyone have the same experience of it? Is it linear? Well, is it?That said, there are people who have sustained states that fade. There are people who witness 24/7 permanently who have not actually switched yet. (have reached Makara but not crown) They may seem awake and have great experiences but also have non-awake characteristics. And there are those who are recently awake but for whom the subjective experience is not yet clear. They're doing some purification and/or mind is trying to regain control. That does eventually complete and become clear but it varies how long. This isn't losing it though it may seem like it subjectively sometimes. Share again: In the paragraph just above, Makara is a term used by PKYC lineage and refers to a point in upper brow ajna. According to their teaching once Kundalini Shakti reaches Makara She is stable there and proceeds to crown chakra unimpeded. Prior to reaching Makara Kundalini Shakti can travel up and down the chakra system continuously. But this is very hard on the physiology and indicative of a deflected or blocked situation. The specialty of PKYC is remedying such. They have a 97% success rate! I wonder how they measure that?! I'm at least glad to know there are such experts out there on what happens to everyone regarding states of consciousness. When I finally get out of AC I will be sure and look them up for verification of which shakra is about to be opened and how I can keep the kundalini from reversing itself and upsetting my otherwise imperfect physiology. God, I hope my Makara is ready for the shakti. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 5:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Once the chakras are open they're open. You've been rewired. Anyone who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not enlightened in the first place. Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
I can keep the kundalini from reversing itself and upsetting my otherwise imperfect physiology. God, I hope my Makara is ready for the shakti. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 5:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Once the chakras are open they're open. You've been rewired. Anyone who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not enlightened in the first place. Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied with Maharishi, including myself. I posted the question to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound understanding on the subject. I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin turned up on FFL with his story. On 12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote: Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind if I attempt to answer this. Not at all. First of all Maharishi has explained that with practice of the sidhas we develop all the higher states simultaneously. And I've heard of at least one person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three days. It was a gov who labeled it such. Yes, why not ? When the time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be the factor that push you into enlightenment in an instant. Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that once this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does not take on any more stress. Lines on air. So yes, I'd say real CC is irreversible. I think a person can have Unity experiences. I know someone who is having Brahman experiences these days. But he's realized it's not stabilized Brahman.Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get some really useful feedback. I can only hope you are joking. I'm afraid my impression is that the majority there have serious difficulties understand their relative nature and role in the world, let alone their absolute, unchanging nature :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
---On Fairfield Life, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- On Fairfield Life, doctordumbass wrote: snip Nabby wrote: ) From this, and what has been stated from 4 posters here + ) one from Batgap we can safely conclude, once we are rewired ) there is no way to undo the result of countless lifetimes in ) yearning for fulfilment. Enlightenment is irreversable. ) ) Which also brings to conclusion the questioning of the ) validity of Robin's claims of having been enlightened. He ) could not de-enlighten that which never took place in the ) first place however many posts on FFLt he claims the contrary. ) ) I'm sure his many fans here and elswhere will look forward to ) his posts as they are often poetic and astute, but from now ) on without the claim of ever having been enlightened. Nabs, are you *insane*? What makes you think we can safely conclude anything at all about enlightenment on the basis of the *opinions* of five people? And what on *earth* makes you think Robin will stop talking about his experience of enlightenment because these people claim it's impossible to de-enlighten oneself, people who didn't know Robin during the years he was experiencing enlightenment and who don't know him now, a quarter of a century later? This whole discussion is absurd as it pertains to Robin. What kind of mental vacuity leads one to take the word of others about what happened to a person over the word of the person *to whom it happened*, when what happened can only be known subjectively, and they weren't around him when it was happening? Enlightenment, IMHO, doesn't follow a set of strict *rules*, such that any deviation means enlightenment did not occur. There may be certain commonalities that are typically found, but with something so subjective, there's plenty of room for variation. Nabby, don't be ridiculous. You've made plenty of silly claims here on FFL, but this is by far the silliest. I mean, you can believe any damn fool thing you want, but don't pretend your belief somehow amounts to ironclad proof. And BTW, this has nothing to do with Robin's fans. This has to do with clear thinking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: ---On Fairfield Life, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- On Fairfield Life, doctordumbass wrote: Nabby wrote: ) From this, and what has been stated from 4 posters here + ) one from Batgap we can safely conclude, once we are rewired ) there is no way to undo the result of countless lifetimes in ) yearning for fulfilment. Enlightenment is irreversable. ) ) Which also brings to conclusion the questioning of the ) validity of Robin's claims of having been enlightened. He ) could not de-enlighten that which never took place in the ) first place however many posts on FFLt he claims the contrary. ) ) I'm sure his many fans here and elswhere will look forward to ) his posts as they are often poetic and astute, but from now ) on without the claim of ever having been enlightened. Nabs, are you *insane*? What makes you think we can safely conclude anything at all about enlightenment on the basis of the *opinions* of five people? 5 experienced souls having closely studied the subject points out that his reasoning is incorrect. And what on *earth* makes you think Robin will stop talking about his experience of enlightenment because these people claim it's impossible to de-enlighten oneself, people who didn't know Robin during the years he was experiencing enlightenment and who don't know him now, a quarter of a century later? Perhaps because he would choose to not continue to make a fool of himself ? This whole discussion is absurd as it pertains to Robin. What kind of mental vacuity leads one to take the word of others about what happened to a person over the word of the person *to whom it happened*, when what happened can only be known subjectively, and they weren't around him when it was happening? You seem to think enlightenment is all subjective. How convienient. Enlightenment, IMHO, doesn't follow a set of strict *rules*, such that any deviation means enlightenment did not occur. There may be certain commonalities that are typically found, but with something so subjective, there's plenty of room for variation. Nabby, don't be ridiculous. You've made plenty of silly claims here on FFL, but this is by far the silliest. I mean, you can believe any damn fool thing you want, but don't pretend your belief somehow amounts to ironclad proof. It's also a matter of who you trust. Just because someone makes a claim doesn't mean the story is objectively correct, even when hidden amongst ten-thousands of words in hundreds of posts on FFL. And BTW, this has nothing to do with Robin's fans. This has to do with clear thinking. Which is usually not lacking in your posts. This time you seem swayed by emotions, impressed with flowery language. Robin was never established in CC, let alone UC. Get over it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
they measure that?! I'm at least glad to know there are such experts out there on what happens to everyone regarding states of consciousness. When I finally get out of AC I will be sure and look them up for verification of which shakra is about to be opened and how I can keep the kundalini from reversing itself and upsetting my otherwise imperfect physiology. God, I hope my Makara is ready for the shakti. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 5:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Once the chakras are open they're open. You've been rewired. Anyone who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not enlightened in the first place. Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied with Maharishi, including myself. I posted the question to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound understanding on the subject. I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin turned up on FFL with his story. On 12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote: Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind if I attempt to answer this. Not at all. First of all Maharishi has explained that with practice of the sidhas we develop all the higher states simultaneously. And I've heard of at least one person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three days. It was a gov who labeled it such. Yes, why not ? When the time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be the factor that push you into enlightenment in an instant. Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that once this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does not take on any more stress. Lines on air. So yes, I'd say real CC is irreversible. I think a person can have Unity experiences. I know someone who is having Brahman experiences these days. But he's realized it's not stabilized Brahman.Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get some really useful feedback. I can only hope you are joking. I'm afraid my impression is that the majority there have serious difficulties understand their relative nature and role in the world, let alone their absolute, unchanging nature :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: ---On Fairfield Life, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- On Fairfield Life, doctordumbass wrote: Nabby wrote: ) From this, and what has been stated from 4 posters here + ) one from Batgap we can safely conclude, once we are rewired ) there is no way to undo the result of countless lifetimes in ) yearning for fulfilment. Enlightenment is irreversable. ) ) Which also brings to conclusion the questioning of the ) validity of Robin's claims of having been enlightened. He ) could not de-enlighten that which never took place in the ) first place however many posts on FFLt he claims the contrary. ) ) I'm sure his many fans here and elswhere will look forward to ) his posts as they are often poetic and astute, but from now ) on without the claim of ever having been enlightened. Judy1: Nabs, are you *insane*? What makes you think we can safely conclude anything at all about enlightenment on the basis of the *opinions* of five people? Nabby1: 5 experienced souls having closely studied the subject points out that his reasoning is incorrect. Judy2: Non sequitur. Robin doesn't say he was enlightened on the basis of reasoning but on the basis of experience. Judy1: And what on *earth* makes you think Robin will stop talking about his experience of enlightenment because these people claim it's impossible to de-enlighten oneself, people who didn't know Robin during the years he was experiencing enlightenment and who don't know him now, a quarter of a century later? Nabby1: Perhaps because he would choose to not continue to make a fool of himself ? Judy2: I suspect he thinks, as I do, that it's you and these people who are making fools of themselves. Judy1: This whole discussion is absurd as it pertains to Robin. What kind of mental vacuity leads one to take the word of others about what happened to a person over the word of the person *to whom it happened*, when what happened can only be known subjectively, and they weren't around him when it was happening? Nabby1: You seem to think enlightenment is all subjective. How convienient. Judy2: You cannot get inside somebody's head and know what their personal experience is, Nabby. You can't even make a *guess* if you didn't know them when they were having the experience in question (for 10-plus years, in Robin's case) or after they had ceased to have it (25 years later, in Robin's case). It's one thing to say you're puzzled, even dubious, because what Robin has reported doesn't jibe with what you've heard from others. But it's *ludicrous* to claim what you've heard is definitive, in the case of something as subjective and variable as enlightenment. It makes no sense on its face. Judy1: Enlightenment, IMHO, doesn't follow a set of strict *rules*, such that any deviation means enlightenment did not occur. There may be certain commonalities that are typically found, but with something so subjective, there's plenty of room for variation. Nabby, don't be ridiculous. You've made plenty of silly claims here on FFL, but this is by far the silliest. I mean, you can believe any damn fool thing you want, but don't pretend your belief somehow amounts to ironclad proof. Nabby1: It's also a matter of who you trust. Just because someone makes a claim doesn't mean the story is objectively correct, Judy2: I haven't said that makes it objectively correct. How the hell would I know? No better than you would, or these other five people. What I'm saying is that it's absurd to call Robin's characterization of his experience *objectively INcorrect*, no matter how much you trust the people doing so. (You shouldn't trust them at all if they make such a claim, IMHO.) Nabby1: even when hidden amongst ten-thousands of words in hundreds of posts on FFL. Judy2: Which you apparently haven't bothered to read, or you wouldn't say Robin's enlightenment experience is hidden in his posts. He couldn't have been more open and straightforward about it. You're busted, Nabby. Judy1: And BTW, this has nothing to do with Robin's fans. This has to do with clear thinking. Nabby1: Which is usually not lacking in your posts. This time you seem swayed by emotions, impressed with flowery language. Judy2: Nothing to do with flowery language. Much of Robin's language is quite down-to-earth, if you actually read his posts. The only emotions I'm experiencing are amazement and dismay that you and others here are so confused as to think you can pronounce judgment on Robin's experiences, think you can know what his experiences were better than he does. That's the sort of nonsense I'd expect from Barry. Nabby1: Robin was never established in CC, let alone UC. Get over it. Judy2: Allow me to repeat: You can believe any damn fool thing you want, but don't pretend your belief somehow amounts
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
Wow - meaty question! I must run off now and drive my daughter up to SF, but I love this question and will give it due diligence when I return. PS some a-hole named Jim over on BatGap wrote something about the relationships of different states, just this morning. Have a look? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: In your opinion, is it at all possible to be established in Unity Consciousness and then revert back to ordinary wakingstate ? Is it so that for Unity to be developed Cosmic Consciousness must be a 24/7 reality, and CC is irreverasble ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
Ok, I'm back - No, you don't need 24/7 CC, to have a UC experience - as a correlation, I had many, many GC experiences in waking state. To be *established* in UC, though, is a whole 'nother issue. First off, with MMY's techniques, the SOCs of CC-GC-UC, are not really stable states of consciousness, merely states of awareness, on the way to exiting from the spiritual game altogether. So, being established in UC is a misnomer. If you look at the definitions of CC, GC, and even UC, they are all in terms of the Self; ripening, like an avocado. Even when the Self recognizes Oneness, in UC, it remains in the domain of the Self, the Infinite Personal. The goal is the practical dissolution, or full integration, of any relative state of awareness. That way, they are all available, though we don't identify with any of them. Hope that helps! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: In your opinion, is it at all possible to be established in Unity Consciousness and then revert back to ordinary wakingstate ? Is it so that for Unity to be developed Cosmic Consciousness must be a 24/7 reality, and CC is irreverasble ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Once the chakras are open they're open. You've been rewired. Anyone who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not enlightened in the first place. Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied with Maharishi, including myself. I posted the question to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound understanding on the subject. I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin turned up on FFL with his story. On 12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote: Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind if I attempt to answer this. Not at all. First of all Maharishi has explained that with practice of the sidhas we develop all the higher states simultaneously. And I've heard of at least one person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three days. It was a gov who labeled it such. Yes, why not ? When the time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be the factor that push you into enlightenment in an instant. Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that once this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does not take on any more stress. Lines on air. So yes, I'd say real CC is irreversible. I think a person can have Unity experiences. I know someone who is having Brahman experiences these days. But he's realized it's not stabilized Brahman. Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get some really useful feedback. I can only hope you are joking. I'm afraid my impression is that the majority there have serious difficulties understand their relative nature and role in the world, let alone their absolute, unchanging nature :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Once the chakras are open they're open. You've been rewired. Anyone who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not enlightened in the first place. Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied with Maharishi, including myself. I posted the question to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound understanding on the subject. I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin turned up on FFL with his story. It did arise and was discussed quite a bit. Me, I wonder whether anyone who had been enlightened was ever so determined to get back to waking state that they spent a quarter of a century working on it. I haven't read any of her books, but from listening to friends in FF who have, it sounds like Bernadette Roberts took the hammer of Catholic indoctrination to smash her experience of no self in order to make it conform to her Catholicism. Her original book is apparently a crystal clear description of nondual awakening, but her newer book was described as painful to read, as she basically Catholicizes away her enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass to Nablusoss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Once the chakras are open they're open. You've been rewired. Anyone who thinks they undid enlightenment were just confused and not enlightened in the first place. Well, that certainly is the understanding one has if one has studied with Maharishi, including myself. I posted the question to DR.Dumbass because he has shown to have profound understanding on the subject. I also wonder why this question did not arise as soon as Robin turned up on FFL with his story. I don't think determining what state of consciousness someone (including oneself) is functioning from is as easy as figuring out if one has the measles, a fever or AIDS. But if I read what many write here it is like this can all be categorized like some sort of yoghurt culture. What objective measurement is there to do such a thing?. There is no thermometer or blood test that can give anyone a reading. Putting these different states of consciousness into such tight knit categories seems way too simplistic and inflexible. It is the human brain we are speaking about here. There may be outside forces, effects, influences that could be said to 'encourage' enlightenment but ultimately these things act on the physical organ we call the human brain. That organ is incredibly adaptable, immeasurably mysterious, chemically balancing on the slightest potential for catastrophic fluctuations; who is to say what it can do, where it can take its recipient? Who is any expert here or anywhere? Who is to say things can not move in one direction and then change, morph, grow, regress? I just don't buy it. I don't believe the so-called states of consciousness can be put into little boxes where they sit like some encased specimens. How can they even be categorized at all, have names? For every individual who is allegedly in some other state they wouldn't all suddenly become clones of one another acting similarly, exhibiting the same interests, speech patterns, decisions, priorities so who is determining that Dick and Sally are both in UC? Certainly not Dick and Sally I hope. If Robin had never meditated or heard of MMY or sought out any spiritual path and he had had the experience he had in Arosa on that mountain during a hike with a friend I wonder what he would have thought happened. How would he explain it? How, in the innocence of having no knowledge that different states of consciousness might even exist, would he feel about how he was seeing the world? Would it be scary, beautiful, terrible? I only thought of this now, maybe he will tell us. And how about anyone else here who believes themselves enlightened? Can you imagine what it would have been like to have 'slipped' into another mental state but not have known anything about the fact/idea that these states existed? I know one thing though, I am in AC, anyone want to join me? It's pretty cool here. On 12/17/2012 08:14 AM, Share Long wrote: Nablusoss I'm not a gov but I did take the MA in SCI so hope you don't mind if I attempt to answer this. Not at all. First of all Maharishi has explained that with practice of the sidhas we develop all the higher states simultaneously. And I've heard of at least one person, not a TMer going from CC to UC in three days. It was a gov who labeled it such. Yes, why not ? When the time is ripe even the smell of a rotten bus could be the factor that push you into enlightenment in an instant. Anyway, I think of CC as having a nervous system without stress and that once this state is reached, the nervous system is so resilient that it does not take on any more stress. Lines on air. So yes, I'd say real CC is irreversible. I think a person can have Unity experiences. I know someone who is having Brahman experiences these days. But he's realized it's not stabilized Brahman. Anyway, I think if you asked this question on Batgap forum, you'd get some really useful feedback. I can only hope you are joking. I'm afraid my impression is that the majority there have serious difficulties understand their relative nature and role in the world, let alone their absolute, unchanging nature :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
My question was; in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ? Emphatically no!! When I first began experiencing 24/7 witnessing, silence, or whatever you want to call it, I did not treat it tenderly - I did everything I could to destroy it within myself. Wasn't possible. Just keeps getting stronger. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Ok, I'm back - No, you don't need 24/7 CC, to have a UC experience - as a correlation, I had many, many GC experiences in waking state. To be *established* in UC, though, is a whole 'nother issue. First off, with MMY's techniques, the SOCs of CC-GC-UC, are not really stable states of consciousness, merely states of awareness, on the way to exiting from the spiritual game altogether. So, being established in UC is a misnomer. If you look at the definitions of CC, GC, and even UC, they are all in terms of the Self; ripening, like an avocado. Even when the Self recognizes Oneness, in UC, it remains in the domain of the Self, the Infinite Personal. The goal is the practical dissolution, or full integration, of any relative state of awareness. That way, they are all available, though we don't identify with any of them. Hope that helps! Not really :-) Let's try to make this clearer, one step at the time: I think we agree that there is some state we can call Cosmic Consciousness and that when this state eventually becomes permanent it gives rise to other states. AND that experiences of all states of consciousness can appear anytime even without any sort of permanency of any other state. So far I think we all agree. Anyone can have experiences of UC, the majority on this board probably had some such experiences, but let's stick to CC for a moment. My question was; in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for DrDumbass
I grew up at the age of six, galloping a horse through the tea fields of Java, so it all evens out. This is where Ann has posed her question about consciousness. And it has to be answered from there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: My question was; in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ? Emphatically no!! When I first began experiencing 24/7 witnessing, silence, or whatever you want to call it, I did not treat it tenderly - I did everything I could to destroy it within myself. Wasn't possible. Just keeps getting stronger. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Ok, I'm back - No, you don't need 24/7 CC, to have a UC experience - as a correlation, I had many, many GC experiences in waking state. To be *established* in UC, though, is a whole 'nother issue. First off, with MMY's techniques, the SOCs of CC-GC-UC, are not really stable states of consciousness, merely states of awareness, on the way to exiting from the spiritual game altogether. So, being established in UC is a misnomer. If you look at the definitions of CC, GC, and even UC, they are all in terms of the Self; ripening, like an avocado. Even when the Self recognizes Oneness, in UC, it remains in the domain of the Self, the Infinite Personal. The goal is the practical dissolution, or full integration, of any relative state of awareness. That way, they are all available, though we don't identify with any of them. Hope that helps! Not really :-) Let's try to make this clearer, one step at the time: I think we agree that there is some state we can call Cosmic Consciousness and that when this state eventually becomes permanent it gives rise to other states. AND that experiences of all states of consciousness can appear anytime even without any sort of permanency of any other state. So far I think we all agree. Anyone can have experiences of UC, the majority on this board probably had some such experiences, but let's stick to CC for a moment. My question was; in your opinion, is CC 24/7 established Cosmic Consciousness, reversible ?
