[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Ethical behavior as a leading economic indicator in a civil society,, Evidently of The Golden Rule at work comes another example in culture tempering, Harvey Weinstein in the news. They can run but not hide in the internet age.. a new world order, the Golden Rule matters in the bottom line. Business schools to become paragons of virtue in the new age. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Cosby in the news right now is a great example of Ethical Behavior as a Leading Economic Indicator, the guy is in full marketplace implosion in evident ethical impropriety. NBC dumps his contracts. Netflix dumps him. The media of today's 'open markets' can be powerful adjudicators of ethical performance. NBC And Netflix Shelve Bill Cosby Projects As New Rape Claim Emerges http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/19/365257596/nbc-and-netflix-shelve-bill-cosby-projects-as-new-rape-claim-emerges Never Entertain Negativity. What has it meant? FW: Not only its results in an unhealthy degree of aversion for the realities of life, another result is a sense of spiritual failure that one even HAS trials and difficulties at all. After all, we are all about perfect health! FW: An other implication of this negativity statement is that it has effectively crushed any constructive criticism/discussion about the need for change and/or issues within the TMO. People who had constructive input to share were therefore at least unheard, and even dismissed and shunned. ..like the signature of some Prime Minister’s 40 years rule. Honesty is the best policy -when there is money in it. -Mark Twain It is about Ethics as a Leading Economic Indicator now. For the New TM movement changes from within process are a necessity of the marketplace.. FW: “Never Entertain Negativity”, This ethos "never entertain negativity" is a crux of the problem here. This has created a world of psycho-spiritual hurt in our tribe. FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culture which has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and even appalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be my observation. It is said that change comes from within. There evidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TM Movement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool. -Buck FW: Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Cosby in the news right now is a great example of Ethical Behavior as a Leading Economic Indicator, the guy is in full marketplace implosion in evident ethical impropriety. NBC dumps his contracts. Netflix dumps him. The media of today's 'open markets' can be powerful adjudicators of ethical performance. NBC And Netflix Shelve Bill Cosby Projects As New Rape Claim Emerges http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/19/365257596/nbc-and-netflix-shelve-bill-cosby-projects-as-new-rape-claim-emerges Never Entertain Negativity. What has it meant? FW: Not only its results in an unhealthy degree of aversion for the realities of life, another result is a sense of spiritual failure that one even HAS trials and difficulties at all. After all, we are all about perfect health! FW: An other implication of this negativity statement is that it has effectively crushed any constructive criticism/discussion about the need for change and/or issues within the TMO. People who had constructive input to share were therefore at least unheard, and even dismissed and shunned. ..like the signature of some Prime Minister’s 40 years rule. Honesty is the best policy -when there is money in it. -Mark Twain It is about Ethics as a Leading Economic Indicator now. For the New TM movement changes from within process are a necessity of the marketplace.. FW: “Never Entertain Negativity”, This ethos "never entertain negativity" is a crux of the problem here. This has created a world of psycho-spiritual hurt in our tribe. FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culture which has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and even appalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be my observation. It is said that change comes from within. There evidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TM Movement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool. -Buck FW: Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
What has it meant? FW: Not only its results in an unhealthy degree of aversion for the realities of life, another result is a sense of spiritual failure that one even HAS trials and difficulties at all. After all, we are all about perfect health! FW: An other implication of this negativity statement is that it has effectively crushed any constructive criticism/discussion about the need for change and/or issues within the TMO. People who had constructive input to share were therefore at least unheard, and even dismissed and shunned. ..like the signature of some Prime Minister’s 40 years rule. Honesty is the best policy -when there is money in it. -Mark Twain It is about Ethics as a Leading Economic Indicator now. For the New TM movement changes from within process are a necessity of the marketplace.. FW: “Never Entertain Negativity”, This ethos "never entertain negativity" is a crux of the problem here. This has created a world of psycho-spiritual hurt in our tribe. FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culture which has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and even appalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be my observation. It is said that change comes from within. There evidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TM Movement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool. -Buck FW: Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be solved by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? Proly was often best to not say anything living within the culture. Dar
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
FW: An other implication of this negativity statement is that it has effectively crushed any constructive criticism/discussion about the need for change and/or issues within the TMO. People who had constructive input to share were therefore at least unheard, and even dismissed and shunned. Honesty is the best policy -when there is money in it. -Mark Twain It is about Ethics as a Leading Economic Indicator. For the New TM movement changes from within process are a necessity of the marketplace.. FW: “Never Entertain Negativity”, This ethos "never entertain negativity" is a crux of the problem here. This has created a world of psycho-spiritual hurt in our tribe. FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culture which has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and even appalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be my observation. It is said that change comes from within. There evidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TM Movement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool. -Buck FW: Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be solved by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? Proly was often best to not say anything living within the culture. Dare anyone call a spade a spade in TM? -Buck # # “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Honesty is the best policy -when there is money in it. -Mark Twain It is about Ethics as a Leading Economic Indicator. For the New TM movement changes from within process are a necessity of the marketplace.. FW: “Never Entertain Negativity”, This ethos "never entertain negativity" is a crux of the problem here. This has created a world of psycho-spiritual hurt in our tribe. FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culture which has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and even appalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be my observation. It is said that change comes from within. There evidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TM Movement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool. -Buck FW: Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be solved by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? Proly was often best to not say anything living within the culture. Dare anyone call a spade a spade in TM? -Buck # # “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
It is about Ethics as a Leading Economic Indicator. For the New TM movement changes from within process are a necessity of the marketplace.. FW: “Never Entertain Negativity”, This ethos "never entertain negativity" is a crux of the problem here. This has created a world of psycho-spiritual hurt in our tribe. FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culture which has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and even appalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be my observation. It is said that change comes from within. There evidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TM Movement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool. -Buck FW: Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be solved by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? Proly was often best to not say anything living within the culture. Dare anyone call a spade a spade in TM? -Buck # # “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very i
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
From your long distant vantages you guys may see it all as static but the new TM movement since Maharishi's passing away moves on with what they got. It is functioning much more as a corporation with scientists in the top CEO slots now. You may not want to see this but it is much less of a theocratic autocracy by nature of the incorporation that Maharishi consciously put in place at his death. These guys are administrators and scientists who operate on data and metric, Maharishi did not leave us with a 'guru' but with narrow boards of trustees at the top and corporate order throughout. It is different and a more modern re-organization in flowchart of all its elements in a modern world facing its challenges. It is only interesting to me because my life is here with friends and family in community here. How they behave up there inside TM effects a lot of people here. I am interested in communal welfare. May they behave themselves well and it all goes well for TM in Fairfield-life. JaiGuruDev, -Buck in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : Curtis, I understand your desire to somehow get in touch with the more real personality underneath "Buck's" faux personality, but I honestly don't think there is one any more. I mean, we're talking about someone who is still so guru-whipped at his age that the only way he can bring himself to question the TMO is to hide behind a faux Stephen Colbert-like fictional persona, albeit one without any of Colbert's intelligence or comic timing. If he can't be honest enough to be Doug Hamilton and express what Doug Hamilton thinks, I have to write him off as not worth the effort. Because *nothing* about "Buck" interests me in the least. From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 3:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Buck, Your contrived persona is obscuring your POV. I have some sympathy for your concerns with a movement that you have invested so much in and rightfully believe your have a right to direct its course. I see your good intentions, and think I even get some, but not all, of the faux personality you are projecting and a more real one underneath. (Although you have blurred the lines too much for me to be sure about any of that.) But you are coming up against what is for me an intractable problem with Maharishi's premises. In his system: there is only one king and that was him and now he is dead. Although he gave lip service to Guru Dev, he was not constrained by any of that tradition and did whatever he wanted to with his movement. He was fully empowered to make it what it became. The leaders in the movement do not have that freedom. They cannot amend any of the long standing policies of their leader who in the end was not the nicest guy. He was a power broker, a user of people he believed were lower in consciousness than himself, and he had a vocal contempt for the principles of democracy. You are living a contradiction that is poetically expressed in your two personas here. Your natural instinct as an adult is to determine your future with your own values. But you are involved in a dysfunctional group who does not respect your adulthood. People who hate what critics of the movement write here frame it in terms of negativity. But speaking for myself, I write from the perspective of hope. I was once trapped as you are by a system of thought that limited my personal growth as a self determined adult. Freeing myself from that system began the most exciting journey of self discovery of my life. It is MY life. Most of the time I just say, if you dig TM and the movement, good for you, you found something you value. But you are a conflicted soul Buck. And you are trying to change a system that prides itself in not deviating on iota from the MASTER'S wishes, even after death. When I was in TM I embraced it all and I changed my mind to fit Maharishi's mindset. But you are much older than I was and I can't imagine that this is really possible for you. You have become spiritually eclectic far beyond what is permissible in TM as you found out with the badge issues. You are your own man in a group who will never respect you for that. Is there anything more odious than unsolicited advice? Well we both have a bit of history here of offering it to each other anyway so I guess that ship sailed. So here it goes: I think you have grown out of TM and its limited mindset. Good luck. What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
FW: “Never Entertain Negativity”, This ethos "never entertain negativity" is a crux of the problem here. This has created a world of psycho-spiritual hurt in our tribe. FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culture which has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and even appalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be my observation. It is said that change comes from within. There evidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TM Movement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool. -Buck FW: Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be solved by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? Proly was often best to not say anything living within the culture. Dare anyone call a spade a spade in TM? -Buck # # “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation.” So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is s
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Curtis, I understand your desire to somehow get in touch with the more real personality underneath "Buck's" faux personality, but I honestly don't think there is one any more. I mean, we're talking about someone who is still so guru-whipped at his age that the only way he can bring himself to question the TMO is to hide behind a faux Stephen Colbert-like fictional persona, albeit one without any of Colbert's intelligence or comic timing. If he can't be honest enough to be Doug Hamilton and express what Doug Hamilton thinks, I have to write him off as not worth the effort. Because *nothing* about "Buck" interests me in the least. From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 3:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Buck, Your contrived persona is obscuring your POV. I have some sympathy for your concerns with a movement that you have invested so much in and rightfully believe your have a right to direct its course. I see your good intentions, and think I even get some, but not all, of the faux personality you are projecting and a more real one underneath. (Although you have blurred the lines too much for me to be sure about any of that.) But you are coming up against what is for me an intractable problem with Maharishi's premises. In his system: there is only one king and that was him and now he is dead. Although he gave lip service to Guru Dev, he was not constrained by any of that tradition and did whatever he wanted to with his movement. He was fully empowered to make it what it became. The leaders in the movement do not have that freedom. They cannot amend any of the long standing policies of their leader who in the end was not the nicest guy. He was a power broker, a user of people he believed were lower in consciousness than himself, and he had a vocal contempt for the principles of democracy. You are living a contradiction that is poetically expressed in your two personas here. Your natural instinct as an adult is to determine your future with your own values. But you are involved in a dysfunctional group who does not respect your adulthood. People who hate what critics of the movement write here frame it in terms of negativity. But speaking for myself, I write from the perspective of hope. I was once trapped as you are by a system of thought that limited my personal growth as a self determined adult. Freeing myself from that system began the most exciting journey of self discovery of my life. It is MY life. Most of the time I just say, if you dig TM and the movement, good for you, you found something you value. But you are a conflicted soul Buck. And you are trying to change a system that prides itself in not deviating on iota from the MASTER'S wishes, even after death. When I was in TM I embraced it all and I changed my mind to fit Maharishi's mindset. But you are much older than I was and I can't imagine that this is really possible for you. You have become spiritually eclectic far beyond what is permissible in TM as you found out with the badge issues. You are your own man in a group who will never respect you for that. Is there anything more odious than unsolicited advice? Well we both have a bit of history here of offering it to each other anyway so I guess that ship sailed. So here it goes: I think you have grown out of TM and its limited mindset. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really badethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems iswell known for things not being right around money, sex and power.“Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culturewhich has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and evenappalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be myobservation. It is said that change comes from within. Thereevidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TMMovement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool.-Buck in the Dome FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertainnegativity". Would you be so kind as to give us yourunderstanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how yourunderstanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to asksomeone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, thatwould be great. Dear friends, ..on acommittee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for theMental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a subgroup of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particulararea right now. Which is to
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Buck, Your contrived persona is obscuring your POV. I have some sympathy for your concerns with a movement that you have invested so much in and rightfully believe your have a right to direct its course. I see your good intentions, and think I even get some, but not all, of the faux personality you are projecting and a more real one underneath. (Although you have blurred the lines too much for me to be sure about any of that.) But you are coming up against what is for me an intractable problem with Maharishi's premises. In his system: there is only one king and that was him and now he is dead. Although he gave lip service to Guru Dev, he was not constrained by any of that tradition and did whatever he wanted to with his movement. He was fully empowered to make it what it became. The leaders in the movement do not have that freedom. They cannot amend any of the long standing policies of their leader who in the end was not the nicest guy. He was a power broker, a user of people he believed were lower in consciousness than himself, and he had a vocal contempt for the principles of democracy. You are living a contradiction that is poetically expressed in your two personas here. Your natural instinct as an adult is to determine your future with your own values. But you are involved in a dysfunctional group who does not respect your adulthood. People who hate what critics of the movement write here frame it in terms of negativity. But speaking for myself, I write from the perspective of hope. I was once trapped as you are by a system of thought that limited my personal growth as a self determined adult. Freeing myself from that system began the most exciting journey of self discovery of my life. It is MY life. Most of the time I just say, if you dig TM and the movement, good for you, you found something you value. But you are a conflicted soul Buck. And you are trying to change a system that prides itself in not deviating on iota from the MASTER'S wishes, even after death. When I was in TM I embraced it all and I changed my mind to fit Maharishi's mindset. But you are much older than I was and I can't imagine that this is really possible for you. You have become spiritually eclectic far beyond what is permissible in TM as you found out with the badge issues. You are your own man in a group who will never respect you for that. Is there anything more odious than unsolicited advice? Well we both have a bit of history here of offering it to each other anyway so I guess that ship sailed. So here it goes: I think you have grown out of TM and its limited mindset. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culture which has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and even appalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be my observation. It is said that change comes from within. There evidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TM Movement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool. -Buck in the Dome FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: A Cultural Survey, Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
What has it meant? Culturally this sanctioning of blindness has allowed some really bad ethical behavior to go unchecked. In the marketplace TM it seems is well known for things not being right around money, sex and power. “Never entertain negativity” is a root of silence in its culture which has allowed, coerced, and condoned some really poor and even appalling ethical standards in a group of people. That would be my observation. It is said that change comes from within. There evidently is a lot of movement going on right now in the new TM Movement. I can see a hope for a better TM movement in process, like in changing or even getting rid of this ethos as an administrative policy tool. -Buck in the Dome FW: A Cultural Survey.. "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Dear friends, ..on a committee, the Shifting Cultural Attitudes Subcommittee for the Mental Health Alliance here in Fairfield I am working with a sub group of that committee, the Cultural Committee, on one particular area right now. Which is to understand the meaning of phrases that have become a part of our local culture here. There are phrases which mean many things to many here. Some of these meanings may have lead to an erosion in mental health. I have written this group as a smattering of a cross-culture living here to get your understanding of the phrase, "Never entertain negativity". Would you be so kind as to give us your understanding of what this phrase has meant to you and how your understanding has impacted your life. And if you wish to ask someone else their view on this phrase and submit it with yours, that would be great. Thank you, # # The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become some lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct in an oath then (1980). C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be solved by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? Proly was often best to not say anything living within the culture. Dare anyone call a spade a spade in TM? -Buck # # “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation.” So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form th
