[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > Cheers I will take a look! > > It's a great flick. > > > Shall have to wait for Doonesbury though as I live in England! > > Try http://tinyurl.com/coea3 > thanks for that, very good. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a > > riskless > > > > > implementation of an electrode - without impairing > intelligence > > and > > > > > the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > > > > > Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > > > > > > > > > http://www.wireheading.com/ > > > > > > > > It's always difficult to tell. People love to make > > > > shit up and attribute it to the Dalai Lama. If you > > > > really want to know, you can write an email to > > > > http://www.tibet.com/ and they'll research it and > > > > tell you. Last time I did this, the respondent said > > > > that fewer than 10% of the quotes they receive > > > > that are attributed to the Dalai Lama were really > > > > said by him. > > > > > > Thats because the "universe" said them, you fool! Havn't you been > > > listening here? :) > > > > FWIW, the quote is attributed to an address by the > > Dalai Lama at the Society for Neuroscience Congress, > > November 2005. > > And the "graduation address" that made its way > around the Internet as being by Kurt Vonnegut > was attributed and dated, too. It just happened > to be fiction, and have nothing whatsoever to do > with Vonnegut. > > As I said, the only way to really tell when deal- > ing with the Dalai Lama is to submit a query to > Tibet House. They handle about a dozen of them > a month. > OR, and perhaps this would be even more reliable given that he might regret having said it, check and see ifthere's a transcript of any speech he may have given at teh Neuroscience Congress, assuming that such a Congress exists, and that he gave a speech there in Nov. 2005. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > wrote: > > > > > > Yes there have been some new developments, apparently people who > > > just been through a war/disaster etc can take this stuff and the > > > degree to which the brain retains the memory is reduced. It is > > > apparently the strength of experiences which causes problems. > The > > > worse they are the more synapses are involved and the more the > > > mind will tend to dwell on the memory. > > > > That's fascinating. I'd never do it, but it's fascinating. > > > > Also see today's "Doonesbury." > > > > > Memories are a funny thing anyway, did you know that we change > our > > > memories when we review them by tainting them with how we are > > > feeling now. The past really is a foreign country > > > > Absolutely. If you want to see a good film that explores > > this phenomenon, rent the DVD of "The Final Cut," starring > > Robin Williams. Great film, with a lot to say about the > > nature of memory and how we all edit it. > > > > Cheers I will take a look! > > Shall have to wait for Doonesbury though as I live in England! > http://www.doonesbury.com has every strip archived save perhaps his first efforts before syndication... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless > > implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and > > the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > > Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > > > http://www.wireheading.com/ > > > > I would definitely give it a try as long as it was reversible. But then > would wanting to get rid of something that gives only pleasure be a > negative emotion? > Bliss isnt' blissful and its not an emotion, as far as I remember. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless > implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and > the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > http://www.wireheading.com/ > Hmmm, sounds like an enlightened sage to me... Not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a > > riskless > > > > > implementation of an electrode - without impairing > intelligence > > and > > > > > the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > > > > > Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > > > > > > > > > http://www.wireheading.com/ > > > > > > > > It's always difficult to tell. People love to make > > > > shit up and attribute it to the Dalai Lama. If you > > > > really want to know, you can write an email to > > > > http://www.tibet.com/ and they'll research it and > > > > tell you. Last time I did this, the respondent said > > > > that fewer than 10% of the quotes they receive > > > > that are attributed to the Dalai Lama were really > > > > said by him. > > > > > > Thats because the "universe" said them, you fool! Havn't you been > > > listening here? :) > > > > FWIW, the quote is attributed to an address by the > > Dalai Lama at the Society for Neuroscience Congress, > > November 2005. > > And the "graduation address" that made its way > around the Internet as being by Kurt Vonnegut > was attributed and dated, too. It just happened > to be fiction, and have nothing whatsoever to do > with Vonnegut. > > As I said, the only way to really tell when deal- > ing with the Dalai Lama is to submit a query to > Tibet House. They handle about a dozen of them > a month. Or you could find a copy of the address and see if the quote was in it (which was why I posted the attribution, you see). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a > riskless > > > > implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence > and > > > > the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > > > > Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > > > > > > > http://www.wireheading.com/ > > > > > > It's always difficult to tell. People love to make > > > shit up and attribute it to the Dalai Lama. If you > > > really want to know, you can write an email to > > > http://www.tibet.com/ and they'll research it and > > > tell you. Last time I did this, the respondent said > > > that fewer than 10% of the quotes they receive > > > that are attributed to the Dalai Lama were really > > > said by him. > > > > Thats because the "universe" said them, you fool! Havn't you been > > listening here? :) > > FWIW, the quote is attributed to an address by the > Dalai Lama at the Society for Neuroscience Congress, > November 2005. And the "graduation address" that made its way around the Internet as being by Kurt Vonnegut was attributed and dated, too. It just happened to be fiction, and have nothing whatsoever to do with Vonnegut. As I said, the only way to really tell when deal- ing with the Dalai Lama is to submit a query to Tibet House. They handle about a dozen of them a month. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > wrote: > > > > > > "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless > > > implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and > > > the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > > > Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > > > > > http://www.wireheading.com/ > > > > It's always difficult to tell. People love to make > > shit up and attribute it to the Dalai Lama. If you > > really want to know, you can write an email to > > http://www.tibet.com/ and they'll research it and > > tell you. Last time I did this, the respondent said > > that fewer than 10% of the quotes they receive > > that are attributed to the Dalai Lama were really > > said by him. > > Thats because the "universe" said them, you fool! Havn't you been > listening here? :) FWIW, the quote is attributed to an address by the Dalai Lama at the Society for Neuroscience Congress, November 2005. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > Seriously though. Apparently some drugs have been developed which > > prevent the formation of bad memories by stopping the synapses > > from holding strong negative experiences and thus is a cure for > > post traumatic stress disorder. They have to be taken immediately > > after the traumatic event though. There are two types being researched, one that is given immediately after the event and another that seems to work on long-term memories. They appear to work on the principle that traumatic memories are stored in the brain differently than ordinary memories; the process involves different chemicals. The drugs, they think, block the trauma-memory chemicals that create memories that evoke PTSD. > > Could be the Dalai Lama is closer than he thinks. > > Unless there have been new developments, I kinda > doubt this is true, These are new developments: http://tinyurl.com/da36v at least not the way you said > it. There are drugs that, if taken shortly after > an event, can erase *all* memories. They are > remarkably "timeable," meaning that they can be > used to erase all memories starting an hour earlier, > or a day earlier, or even a couple of days earlier. > But *all* memories go, not just the "negative" ones. Actually the type of drug you go on to describe is very commonly used for minor surgical procedures in which the patient does not require general anesthesia. It apparently works not by "erasing" memories but by preventing them from being formed, or preventing them from passing into long-term memory, while the procedure is taking place. I've had it several times for oral surgery. There's no "timing" involved, but it can cause amnesia for a short period before it begins to be administered. (It doesn't for me, but it's highly individual.) > I had a subjective experience of these drugs without > my consent when I had a minor surgical procedure a > few years ago. Well, not the kind you describe above, since it was given to you *before* the surgery, not after it. During the procedure, during which > I had to be awake, they inserted a tube with a TV > camera on it down my throat and took pictures. I > am perverse enough that I was actually looking > forward to seeing what my innards looked like, real- > time. But the last thing I remember about the whole > procedure was the doctor saying, "I'm going to start > this IV drip right now...it contains a mild anti- > anxiety drug and an amnesiac." > > Bam! The next thing I remember is "coming to" in a > waiting room an hour later, remembering nothing. I > was awake during the entire operation, but can > remember nothing of it. An entire hour of my life > was surgically removed from my memories. > > Fascinating experience, but the doctor should really > have told me he wanted to give me this drug and > allowed me to make the decision about whether I > wanted him to. He did not. He should have told you about any drugs he was administering to you, but you might not have had a choice about taking this one if you wanted to have the procedure done. The surgeon can't take the chance that you'll freak if you're alert. It's not just a question of whether you think it would be fun to see your innards, it's a question of whether you might start to thrash around with a camera *and* surgical instruments in your innards, which could cause very serious damage. If only your short-term memory is working, so that there's no continuity to the pain perception, that's much less likely to happen. The alternative would be general anesthesia so you wouldn't feel any pain, but as you say, that wasn't an option in this situation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:56 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a > riskless > > >> implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and > > >> the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > > >> Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > >> > > >> http://www.wireheading.com/ > > >> > > > > > > I would definitely give it a try as long as it was reversible. But > > > then > > > would wanting to get rid of something that gives only pleasure be a > > > negative emotion? > > > > > > > > Reminds me of "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"--esp. where the > > inventor says "well it actually *is* a form of brain damage...". > > > > The only thing I remember about that film is Kate Winslett with red > hair, definitely a positive emotion! > > Seriously though. Apparently some drugs have been developed which > prevent the formation of bad memories by stopping the synapses from > holding strong negative experiences and thus is a cure for post > traumatic stress disorder. They have to be taken immediately after the > traumatic event though. So how soon after reading FFL do you have to take it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless > > implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and > > the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > > Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > > > http://www.wireheading.com/ > > It's always difficult to tell. People love to make > shit up and attribute it to the Dalai Lama. If you > really want to know, you can write an email to > http://www.tibet.com/ and they'll research it and > tell you. Last time I did this, the respondent said > that fewer than 10% of the quotes they receive > that are attributed to the Dalai Lama were really > said by him. Thats because the "universe" said them, you fool! Havn't you been listening here? :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cheers I will take a look! It's a great flick. > Shall have to wait for Doonesbury though as I live in England! Try http://tinyurl.com/coea3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > Yes there have been some new developments, apparently people who > > just been through a war/disaster etc can take this stuff and the > > degree to which the brain retains the memory is reduced. It is > > apparently the strength of experiences which causes problems. The > > worse they are the more synapses are involved and the more the > > mind will tend to dwell on the memory. > > That's fascinating. I'd never do it, but it's fascinating. > > Also see today's "Doonesbury." > > > Memories are a funny thing anyway, did you know that we change our > > memories when we review them by tainting them with how we are > > feeling now. The past really is a foreign country > > Absolutely. If you want to see a good film that explores > this phenomenon, rent the DVD of "The Final Cut," starring > Robin Williams. Great film, with a lot to say about the > nature of memory and how we all edit it. > Cheers I will take a look! Shall have to wait for Doonesbury though as I live in England! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes there have been some new developments, apparently people who > just been through a war/disaster etc can take this stuff and the > degree to which the brain retains the memory is reduced. It is > apparently the strength of experiences which causes problems. The > worse they are the more synapses are involved and the more the > mind will tend to dwell on the memory. That's fascinating. I'd never do it, but it's fascinating. Also see today's "Doonesbury." > Memories are a funny thing anyway, did you know that we change our > memories when we review them by tainting them with how we are > feeling now. The past really is a foreign country Absolutely. If you want to see a good film that explores this phenomenon, rent the DVD of "The Final Cut," starring Robin Williams. Great film, with a lot to say about the nature of memory and how we all edit it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > Seriously though. Apparently some drugs have been developed which > > prevent the formation of bad memories by stopping the synapses from > > holding strong negative experiences and thus is a cure for post > > traumatic stress disorder. They have to be taken immediately after > > the traumatic event though. > > > > Could be the Dalai Lama is closer than he thinks. > > Unless there have been new developments, I kinda > doubt this is true, at least not the way you said > it. There are drugs that, if taken shortly after > an event, can erase *all* memories. They are > remarkably "timeable," meaning that they can be > used to erase all memories starting an hour earlier, > or a day earlier, or even a couple of days earlier. > But *all* memories go, not just the "negative" ones. > > I had a subjective experience of these drugs without > my consent when I had a minor surgical procedure a > few years ago. During the procedure, during which > I had to be awake, they inserted a tube with a TV > camera on it down my throat and took pictures. I > am perverse enough that I was actually looking > forward to seeing what my innards looked like, real- > time. But the last thing I remember about the whole > procedure was the doctor saying, "I'm going to start > this IV drip right now...it contains a mild anti- > anxiety drug and an amnesiac." > > Bam! The next thing I remember is "coming to" in a > waiting room an hour later, remembering nothing. I > was awake during the entire operation, but can > remember nothing of it. An entire hour of my life > was surgically removed from my memories. > > Fascinating experience, but the doctor should really > have told me he wanted to give me this drug and > allowed me to make the decision about whether I > wanted him to. He did not. > Yes there have been some new developments, apparently people who hve just been through a war/disaster etc can take this stuff and the degree to which the brain retains the memory is reduced. It is apparently the strength of experiences which causes problems. The worse they are the more synapses are involved and the more the mind will tend to dwell on the memory. Memories are a funny thing anyway, did you know that we change our memories when we review them by tainting them with how we are feeling now. The past really is a foreign country Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Seriously though. Apparently some drugs have been developed which > prevent the formation of bad memories by stopping the synapses from > holding strong negative experiences and thus is a cure for post > traumatic stress disorder. They have to be taken immediately after > the traumatic event though. > > Could be the Dalai Lama is closer than he thinks. Unless there have been new developments, I kinda doubt this is true, at least not the way you said it. There are drugs that, if taken shortly after an event, can erase *all* memories. They are remarkably "timeable," meaning that they can be used to erase all memories starting an hour earlier, or a day earlier, or even a couple of days earlier. But *all* memories go, not just the "negative" ones. I had a subjective experience of these drugs without my consent when I had a minor surgical procedure a few years ago. During the procedure, during which I had to be awake, they inserted a tube with a TV camera on it down my throat and took pictures. I am perverse enough that I was actually looking forward to seeing what my innards looked like, real- time. But the last thing I remember about the whole procedure was the doctor saying, "I'm going to start this IV drip right now...it contains a mild anti- anxiety drug and an amnesiac." Bam! The next thing I remember is "coming to" in a waiting room an hour later, remembering nothing. I was awake during the entire operation, but can remember nothing of it. An entire hour of my life was surgically removed from my memories. Fascinating experience, but the doctor should really have told me he wanted to give me this drug and allowed me to make the decision about whether I wanted him to. He did not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:56 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless > >> implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and > >> the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > >> Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > >> > >> http://www.wireheading.com/ > >> > > > > I would definitely give it a try as long as it was reversible. But > > then > > would wanting to get rid of something that gives only pleasure be a > > negative emotion? > > Reminds me of "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"--esp. where the > inventor says "well it actually *is* a form of brain damage...". The only thing I remember about that film is Kate Winslett with red hair, definitely a positive emotion! Seriously though. Apparently some drugs have been developed which prevent the formation of bad memories by stopping the synapses from holding strong negative experiences and thus is a cure for post traumatic stress disorder. They have to be taken immediately after the traumatic event though. Could be the Dalai Lama is closer than he thinks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:56 AM, hugheshugo wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and the critical mind - I would be the first patient." Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) http://www.wireheading.com/ I would definitely give it a try as long as it was reversible. But then would wanting to get rid of something that gives only pleasure be a negative emotion? Reminds me of "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"--esp. where the inventor says "well it actually *is* a form of brain damage...". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless > implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and > the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > http://www.wireheading.com/ It's always difficult to tell. People love to make shit up and attribute it to the Dalai Lama. If you really want to know, you can write an email to http://www.tibet.com/ and they'll research it and tell you. Last time I did this, the respondent said that fewer than 10% of the quotes they receive that are attributed to the Dalai Lama were really said by him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Genuine DL quote?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless > implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and > the critical mind - I would be the first patient." > Dalai Lama (Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005) > > http://www.wireheading.com/ > I would definitely give it a try as long as it was reversible. But then would wanting to get rid of something that gives only pleasure be a negative emotion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
