Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
Evidently Jerry J believes it
From: salyavin808
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
He said Jai Guru Dev at the end. You can tell he didn't really watch the
presentation as we all know we don't have to do that any more.
I wonder if anyone other than the top brass in the TMO actually watched it, and
if they did I wonder what they thought. I think that even a hardened purusha
would have a job believing that all the world's deities exist and are good
friends with each other. And that they all speak through George Hammond.
Especially with that song at the end.
Try as I might I can't see anyone I know actually believing that Marshy would
preach through someone other than King Tony. Because they really take his word
as gospel just like they used to with the reesh. I bet it's that rather than
the fact that he's dead that would stop them though.
But I'm mailing in my yagya donation just in case
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
My advanced psychic powers are enabling me to see that even now Little Johnnie
Hagelin is composing a response to George Hammond's self indulgent 3 hour
spiritual fantasy.
To All Recertified Governors of the TM Movement:
We, the leadership of the TM Movement are aware of the presentation of our good
friend George Hammond. We feel that we must respond to certain points of his
very nice presentation.
First, if you are a recertified Governor, it was not a good thing for you to be
in that room. If you watched it online, that was not a good thing either.
You should not have done such a thing. You have created some very bad karma for
yourself. If you did so (and we have a list of names of those of you who were
there) you would be well advised to take steps to mitigate such karma.
The best way to alleviate this karma will be to make a donation to the
Maharishi Yagya Programme, of which I am the head honcho.
The donation needs to be at least $10,000, US. If you are a Recertified
Governor of modest means, you can make monthly payments till the karma is paid
off.
If you were watching this broadcast and were not a recertified Governor and
would one day like to become recertified, you will need to make a $20,000
donation to the yagya programme.
As to our friend Mr. Hammond's words, be advised that you absolutely MUST do
puja when teaching TM.
In essence, everything Hammond said is nonsense, except for the part about
there being no rules for sexual behavior. That one I do agree with.
I would write more, but we have a new batch of nubile female students coming on
campus and I have to go make my selection, er, um I mean I need to go be a good
ambassador to these lovely ladies.
So Jai Guru Dev and go ahead and make out those checks to the yagya programme!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
From: salyavin808
He said Jai Guru Dev at the end. You can tell he didn't really watch the
presentation as we all know we don't have to do that any more.
I wonder if anyone other than the top brass in the TMO actually watched it, and
if they did I wonder what they thought. I think that even a hardened purusha
would have a job believing that all the world's deities exist and are good
friends with each other. And that they all speak through George Hammond.
Especially with that song at the end.
Because many of you aren't around young kids and thus forced to watch the
movies they like, I will explain that reference. He set it up at the beginning
of the talk, when he did that riff about it not being necessary to believe all
of this, even if a Big Blue Genie was saying it. Then at the end he did his
rendition of the end of the Friend Like Me song from "Aladdin," with the Big
Blue Genie being performed and sung in that film by the late Robin Williams:
Aladdin - Friend Like Me [High Quality]
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Try as I might I can't see anyone I know actually believing that Marshy would
preach through someone other than King Tony. Because they really take his word
as gospel just like they used to with the reesh. I bet it's that rather than
the fact that he's dead that would stop them though.
But I'm mailing in my yagya donation just in case
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
My advanced psychic powers are enabling me to see that even now Little Johnnie
Hagelin is composing a response to George Hammond's self indulgent 3 hour
spiritual fantasy.
To All Recertified Governors of the TM Movement:
We, the leadership of the TM Movement are aware of the presentation of our good
friend George Hammond. We feel that we must respond to certain points of his
very nice presentation.
First, if you are a recertified Governor, it was not a good thing for you to be
in that room. If you watched it online, that was not a good thing either.
You should not have done such a thing. You have created some very bad karma for
yourself. If you did so (and we have a list of names of those of you who were
there) you would be well advised to take steps to mitigate such karma.
The best way to alleviate this karma will be to make a donation to the
Maharishi Yagya Programme, of which I am the head honcho.
The donation needs to be at least $10,000, US. If you are a Recertified
Governor of modest means, you can make monthly payments till the karma is paid
off.
If you were watching this broadcast and were not a recertified Governor and
would one day like to become recertified, you will need to make a $20,000
donation to the yagya programme.
As to our friend Mr. Hammond's words, be advised that you absolutely MUST do
puja when teaching TM.
In essence, everything Hammond said is nonsense, except for the part about
there being no rules for sexual behavior. That one I do agree with.
I would write more, but we have a new batch of nubile female students coming on
campus and I have to go make my selection, er, um I mean I need to go be a good
ambassador to these lovely ladies.
So Jai Guru Dev and go ahead and make out those checks to the yagya programme!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
He said Jai Guru Dev at the end. You can tell he didn't really watch the presentation as we all know we don't have to do that any more. I wonder if anyone other than the top brass in the TMO actually watched it, and if they did I wonder what they thought. I think that even a hardened purusha would have a job believing that all the world's deities exist and are good friends with each other. And that they all speak through George Hammond. Especially with that song at the end. Try as I might I can't see anyone I know actually believing that Marshy would preach through someone other than King Tony. Because they really take his word as gospel just like they used to with the reesh. I bet it's that rather than the fact that he's dead that would stop them though. But I'm mailing in my yagya donation just in case ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My advanced psychic powers are enabling me to see that even now Little Johnnie Hagelin is composing a response to George Hammond's self indulgent 3 hour spiritual fantasy. To All Recertified Governors of the TM Movement: We, the leadership of the TM Movement are aware of the presentation of our good friend George Hammond. We feel that we must respond to certain points of his very nice presentation. First, if you are a recertified Governor, it was not a good thing for you to be in that room. If you watched it online, that was not a good thing either. You should not have done such a thing. You have created some very bad karma for yourself. If you did so (and we have a list of names of those of you who were there) you would be well advised to take steps to mitigate such karma. The best way to alleviate this karma will be to make a donation to the Maharishi Yagya Programme, of which I am the head honcho. The donation needs to be at least $10,000, US. If you are a Recertified Governor of modest means, you can make monthly payments till the karma is paid off. If you were watching this broadcast and were not a recertified Governor and would one day like to become recertified, you will need to make a $20,000 donation to the yagya programme. As to our friend Mr. Hammond's words, be advised that you absolutely MUST do puja when teaching TM. In essence, everything Hammond said is nonsense, except for the part about there being no rules for sexual behavior. That one I do agree with. I would write more, but we have a new batch of nubile female students coming on campus and I have to go make my selection, er, um I mean I need to go be a good ambassador to these lovely ladies. So Jai Guru Dev and go ahead and make out those checks to the yagya programme!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
For sure, the upper echelon of the movement likely watched the whole thing, as it does have the potential to affect the bottom line and fragment the movement. For me, I saw about 30 seconds of the presentation and went to lunch, so I am just relying on what others here have said Hammond said. As soon as a spiritual leader dies, and sometimes even before, the nutters are free to take wing, and the fragmentation and disintegration of whatever that teacher taught begins among the followers. It is just the way it happens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My advanced psychic powers are enabling me to see that even now Little Johnnie Hagelin is composing a response to George Hammond's self indulgent 3 hour spiritual fantasy. To All Recertified Governors of the TM Movement: We, the leadership of the TM Movement are aware of the presentation of our good friend George Hammond. We feel that we must respond to certain points of his very nice presentation. First, if you are a recertified Governor, it was not a good thing for you to be in that room. If you watched it online, that was not a good thing either. You should not have done such a thing. You have created some very bad karma for yourself. If you did so (and we have a list of names of those of you who were there) you would be well advised to take steps to mitigate such karma. The best way to alleviate this karma will be to make a donation to the Maharishi Yagya Programme, of which I am the head honcho. The donation needs to be at least $10,000, US. If you are a Recertified Governor of modest means, you can make monthly payments till the karma is paid off. If you were watching this broadcast and were not a recertified Governor and would one day like to become recertified, you will need to make a $20,000 donation to the yagya programme. As to our friend Mr. Hammond's words, be advised that you absolutely MUST do puja when teaching TM. In essence, everything Hammond said is nonsense, except for the part about there being no rules for sexual behavior. That one I do agree with. I would write more, but we have a new batch of nubile female students coming on campus and I have to go make my selection, er, um I mean I need to go be a good ambassador to these lovely ladies. So Jai Guru Dev and go ahead and make out those checks to the yagya programme!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
Dear ones; about Apostasy: I was away at a conference last week and over the weekend of a scholarly group that studies communal groups like ours. Within one paper of a session I learned yet another means or phrase for describing people who separate themselves or are separated from 'the group'.. At the Amana Colonies for instance, a spiritual ashram in their time very much like our own in aspects here now, as individuals might withdraw for their own reasons or were sent out from the group as being asocial, “The blessings of the Lord [Unified Field] may be withdrawn.” Well just like some here have fallen 'off the program', clearly some have not only fallen off the cart but were clearly left behind... 'the blessings of the Unified Field, withdrawn'. Good Fortune is great though in how infinitely compassionate the natural law of the Unified Field is. For certainly whether pure or impure, whether purity or impurity is reining everywhere, who so ever opens themselves to the unbounded awareness of the Unified Field gains inner and outer purity. Make haste friends, take quiet time and Come back to meditation. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response to Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting Anartaxius writes: Buck, if you have happened to have read Michael' posts here, he seems very passionate in what he feels is right, not cold at all. And all of us here have had the 'blessings' of the movement and it has produced what you see here on FFL. The result is as varied as life itself. Maybe only 10% of those who learn TM stick with it, and 90% end up doing something else or just stopping. Those who drop off but do something else that works for them, be happy for them. Some drift off the spiritual path, and some reach the end of the path and walk off (the only rational thing to do in that case). Those that oppose the movement are testing its mettle, its truthfulness, its integrity, for they find it wanting. The ones that are dangerous are the ones that remain on the path forever; they are the ones that have truly failed. turquoiseb writes The last sentence contains a valuable point. What could be more *embarrassing* than spending 30 or 40 years of one's life pursuing a spiritual path that led nowhere, and then actually being content with being nowhere? awoelflebater writes : Where is "nowhere"? Sounds like a Zen koan of some sort. Think of it, "I am nowhere" and let's add, "I am nobody". How does that work? Sounds positively transcendental. You have to be nowhere and nobody to have arrived and to become. LOL. Buck offers: I feel this is completely unfair and unrealistic: “What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as "Raja" (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? Groups certainly defend themselves against others and have a right to do that for survival against others. That is part of the life of having groups to belong to. Well run corporations do it. Well run countries do this by running vision and mission. Let me quote to you George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or Winston. Actually I have paraphrased them all and many others many times here. They certainly were effective leaders doing what they came to do in time and Hagelin too. But you people, are as cold and immovable as stone weight. Is it no wonder that you are so withdrawn to the blessings of the movement? Like Buddha the compassionate one on earth we meditate in the Dome here for you, Let there be Peace, -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on "assessing the content," why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being tak
