[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Doc....Regarding psychedelic/hallucinogen drug experiences -
Hi, my comment was specifically about a person's consciousness, while under the influence of hallucinogens, influencing their entry into the astral worlds. Also limited myself to personal experience. I've never done Jimson Weed - sounds worse than awful. As for my negative comments on mescaline, LSD and peyote, I had pretty OK experiences with all of them, yet aside from the wow factor, they are no way to explore, or develop, a more refined awareness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Hey Doc, Sometime in this past week I read one of your responses on a thread. I forget the thread now. But I recall the essence of your response. (I couldn't respond at the time because I had carpal tunnel surgery this past Monday, 2/18, and wasn't able to really type and now can't remember where you commented. Sorry bout that.) Anyhoo...you stated something to the effect that a person's experience when under the influence of a psychedelic drug mirrored that person's internal state. (Again, going by memory ... so if I mis-understood, please correct me.) In my experience that isn't always true. An example would be the drug/herb jimson weed. Every experience I've ever read/heard has always been horrid hallucinations. (I danced with jimson weed when I was 15 years old and can atest to its horrors.) As far as other psychedelics, they each had their own nuance in my experiences. For example: Mescaline often made me laugh a lot. MDA made me horny. LSD afforded psychedelic sensory distortions. I'm of the opinion that different chemicals evoke various hormones (or whatevers) to respond...and thus a certain drugs/herbs can cause bad effects (bad trips) or good effects (good trips). I do think whatever one experiences within the good trip or the bad trip comes from somewhere in the person's psyche...but the drug used helps determine if what is pulled from the psyche is pleasurable or not pleasurable. (Hope that makes sense.) Eventually all my trips tuck a turn toward the dark side, which was probably a blessing because I gave up tripping. Hmmmthat is when I turned to TM by the way. Ha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Doc....Regarding psychedelic/hallucinogen drug experiences -
Totally agree with you about mescaline: never enjoyed myself so much as on the stuff. I used to find everything absurdly hilarious. For example, a fish-and-chip shop owner was the Platonic archetype of all other fish-and-chip shop owners. Every other fish-and-chip shop owner you ever saw was just a pale imitation of this guy. I laughed hysterically virtually non-stop - except when police cars cruised past! Pity it became so hard to find - much better than MDMA or other alternatives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Hey Doc, Sometime in this past week I read one of your responses on a thread. I forget the thread now. But I recall the essence of your response. (I couldn't respond at the time because I had carpal tunnel surgery this past Monday, 2/18, and wasn't able to really type and now can't remember where you commented. Sorry bout that.) Anyhoo...you stated something to the effect that a person's experience when under the influence of a psychedelic drug mirrored that person's internal state. (Again, going by memory ... so if I mis-understood, please correct me.) In my experience that isn't always true. An example would be the drug/herb jimson weed. Every experience I've ever read/heard has always been horrid hallucinations. (I danced with jimson weed when I was 15 years old and can atest to its horrors.) As far as other psychedelics, they each had their own nuance in my experiences. For example: Mescaline often made me laugh a lot. MDA made me horny. LSD afforded psychedelic sensory distortions. I'm of the opinion that different chemicals evoke various hormones (or whatevers) to respond...and thus a certain drugs/herbs can cause bad effects (bad trips) or good effects (good trips). I do think whatever one experiences within the good trip or the bad trip comes from somewhere in the person's psyche...but the drug used helps determine if what is pulled from the psyche is pleasurable or not pleasurable. (Hope that makes sense.) Eventually all my trips tuck a turn toward the dark side, which was probably a blessing because I gave up tripping. Hmmmthat is when I turned to TM by the way. Ha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Doc....Regarding psychedelic/hallucinogen drug experiences -
I also agree with you about trips eventually taking a turn toward the dark side. I'm convinced that taking a top-end psychedelic can give one a genuine experience of the divine - a gnosis of the divine Mind. The trouble is, when you take the drugs you're also trying to escape your everyday self and its everyday boring routine. You want to squeeze the maximum pleasure from the experience and twist it to serve your own desires and fantasies. The divine is indifferent to our ego games and one's repressed fears can't be held back for long and so come to the surface nightmarishly magnified by the effect of the psychedelic. Me too: when I'd had a bellyful of taking acid then trying TM seemed like the next natural step. And so it proved . . . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Hey Doc, Sometime in this past week I read one of your responses on a thread. I forget the thread now. But I recall the essence of your response. (I couldn't respond at the time because I had carpal tunnel surgery this past Monday, 2/18, and wasn't able to really type and now can't remember where you commented. Sorry bout that.) Anyhoo...you stated something to the effect that a person's experience when under the influence of a psychedelic drug mirrored that person's internal state. (Again, going by memory ... so if I mis-understood, please correct me.) In my experience that isn't always true. An example would be the drug/herb jimson weed. Every experience I've ever read/heard has always been horrid hallucinations. (I danced with jimson weed when I was 15 years old and can atest to its horrors.) As far as other psychedelics, they each had their own nuance in my experiences. For example: Mescaline often made me laugh a lot. MDA made me horny. LSD afforded psychedelic sensory distortions. I'm of the opinion that different chemicals evoke various hormones (or whatevers) to respond...and thus a certain drugs/herbs can cause bad effects (bad trips) or good effects (good trips). I do think whatever one experiences within the good trip or the bad trip comes from somewhere in the person's psyche...but the drug used helps determine if what is pulled from the psyche is pleasurable or not pleasurable. (Hope that makes sense.) Eventually all my trips tuck a turn toward the dark side, which was probably a blessing because I gave up tripping. Hmmmthat is when I turned to TM by the way. Ha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Doc....Regarding psychedelic/hallucinogen drug experiences -
If I'm not mistaken, MDMA is an offspring of MDA. I reckon I'll go google it and find out. ;) MDA was the drug of choice typically...among the circle of folks with whom I 'expanded'. Microdot...was another one. And Window Pane. Oh my...I wish I could recall the nuances of each of those tiny little pieces of paper that could cause the entire universe to be at one and where it seemed our little tripping circle could communicate telepathically. I was reading again today on jimson weed. Someone asked about the long term effects and wondered if it would cause Alzheimers onset. It's been almost 38 years since my jimson weed experience. I don't think I have early Alzheimers. I hope I never develop it. I've written a few memoir pieces about some of my drug daze. Jimson weed is still the most vivid memory, I think. It was decades before I overcame my deathly fear of cock roaches. http://parchmentanthology.blogspot.com/2008/12/datura-stramonium-to-dance-with-devil.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: Totally agree with you about mescaline: never enjoyed myself so much as on the stuff. I used to find everything absurdly hilarious. For example, a fish-and-chip shop owner was the Platonic archetype of all other fish-and-chip shop owners. Every other fish-and-chip shop owner you ever saw was just a pale imitation of this guy. I laughed hysterically virtually non-stop - except when police cars cruised past! Pity it became so hard to find - much better than MDMA or other alternatives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Hey Doc, Sometime in this past week I read one of your responses on a thread. I forget the thread now. But I recall the essence of your response. (I couldn't respond at the time because I had carpal tunnel surgery this past Monday, 2/18, and wasn't able to really type and now can't remember where you commented. Sorry bout that.) Anyhoo...you stated something to the effect that a person's experience when under the influence of a psychedelic drug mirrored that person's internal state. (Again, going by memory ... so if I mis-understood, please correct me.) In my experience that isn't always true. An example would be the drug/herb jimson weed. Every experience I've ever read/heard has always been horrid hallucinations. (I danced with jimson weed when I was 15 years old and can atest to its horrors.) As far as other psychedelics, they each had their own nuance in my experiences. For example: Mescaline often made me laugh a lot. MDA made me horny. LSD afforded psychedelic sensory distortions. I'm of the opinion that different chemicals evoke various hormones (or whatevers) to respond...and thus a certain drugs/herbs can cause bad effects (bad trips) or good effects (good trips). I do think whatever one experiences within the good trip or the bad trip comes from somewhere in the person's psyche...but the drug used helps determine if what is pulled from the psyche is pleasurable or not pleasurable. (Hope that makes sense.) Eventually all my trips tuck a turn toward the dark side, which was probably a blessing because I gave up tripping. Hmmmthat is when I turned to TM by the way. Ha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Doc....Regarding psychedelic/hallucinogen drug experiences -
Well stated. :) The paranoia was horrid in those last days. I thought I was going crazy...and I probably was. My saving thought as I sat alone rocking back and forth on my bed at 16 years old...my saving thought was, If I was crazy, I wouldn't know it. I cling to that thought of logic. I found my way down the stairs at my parents home and pulled out the local newspaper in search for help. There was an add for TM. I made the phone call and was soon receiving my mantra. I'm not sure if TM was what helped me specifically or if simply taking some sort of action and replacing the drugs helped. Regardless, that action did help save my mind and my sanity. (Though some may disagree. haha) :) *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@... wrote: I also agree with you about trips eventually taking a turn toward the dark side. I'm convinced that taking a top-end psychedelic can give one a genuine experience of the divine - a gnosis of the divine Mind. The trouble is, when you take the drugs you're also trying to escape your everyday self and its everyday boring routine. You want to squeeze the maximum pleasure from the experience and twist it to serve your own desires and fantasies. The divine is indifferent to our ego games and one's repressed fears can't be held back for long and so come to the surface nightmarishly magnified by the effect of the psychedelic. Me too: when I'd had a bellyful of taking acid then trying TM seemed like the next natural step. And so it proved . . . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Hey Doc, Sometime in this past week I read one of your responses on a thread. I forget the thread now. But I recall the essence of your response. (I couldn't respond at the time because I had carpal tunnel surgery this past Monday, 2/18, and wasn't able to really type and now can't remember where you commented. Sorry bout that.) Anyhoo...you stated something to the effect that a person's experience when under the influence of a psychedelic drug mirrored that person's internal state. (Again, going by memory ... so if I mis-understood, please correct me.) In my experience that isn't always true. An example would be the drug/herb jimson weed. Every experience I've ever read/heard has always been horrid hallucinations. (I danced with jimson weed when I was 15 years old and can atest to its horrors.) As far as other psychedelics, they each had their own nuance in my experiences. For example: Mescaline often made me laugh a lot. MDA made me horny. LSD afforded psychedelic sensory distortions. I'm of the opinion that different chemicals evoke various hormones (or whatevers) to respond...and thus a certain drugs/herbs can cause bad effects (bad trips) or good effects (good trips). I do think whatever one experiences within the good trip or the bad trip comes from somewhere in the person's psyche...but the drug used helps determine if what is pulled from the psyche is pleasurable or not pleasurable. (Hope that makes sense.) Eventually all my trips tuck a turn toward the dark side, which was probably a blessing because I gave up tripping. Hmmmthat is when I turned to TM by the way. Ha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Doc....Regarding psychedelic/hallucinogen drug experiences -
Someone introduced me to the Erowid Vault a couple years ago. It's an interesting site regarding psychedelics. http://www.erowid.org/ I just googled the difference between MDA MDMA. Here's one of the links: http://www.differencebetween.net/science/health/drugs-health/difference-between-mda-and-mdma/ * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: If I'm not mistaken, MDMA is an offspring of MDA. I reckon I'll go google it and find out. ;) MDA was the drug of choice typically...among the circle of folks with whom I 'expanded'. Microdot...was another one. And Window Pane. Oh my...I wish I could recall the nuances of each of those tiny little pieces of paper that could cause the entire universe to be at one and where it seemed our little tripping circle could communicate telepathically. I was reading again today on jimson weed. Someone asked about the long term effects and wondered if it would cause Alzheimers onset. It's been almost 38 years since my jimson weed experience. I don't think I have early Alzheimers. I hope I never develop it. I've written a few memoir pieces about some of my drug daze. Jimson weed is still the most vivid memory, I think. It was decades before I overcame my deathly fear of cock roaches. http://parchmentanthology.blogspot.com/2008/12/datura-stramonium-to-dance-with-devil.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: Totally agree with you about mescaline: never enjoyed myself so much as on the stuff. I used to find everything absurdly hilarious. For example, a fish-and-chip shop owner was the Platonic archetype of all other fish-and-chip shop owners. Every other fish-and-chip shop owner you ever saw was just a pale imitation of this guy. I laughed hysterically virtually non-stop - except when police cars cruised past! Pity it became so hard to find - much better than MDMA or other alternatives. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Hey Doc, Sometime in this past week I read one of your responses on a thread. I forget the thread now. But I recall the essence of your response. (I couldn't respond at the time because I had carpal tunnel surgery this past Monday, 2/18, and wasn't able to really type and now can't remember where you commented. Sorry bout that.) Anyhoo...you stated something to the effect that a person's experience when under the influence of a psychedelic drug mirrored that person's internal state. (Again, going by memory ... so if I mis-understood, please correct me.) In my experience that isn't always true. An example would be the drug/herb jimson weed. Every experience I've ever read/heard has always been horrid hallucinations. (I danced with jimson weed when I was 15 years old and can atest to its horrors.) As far as other psychedelics, they each had their own nuance in my experiences. For example: Mescaline often made me laugh a lot. MDA made me horny. LSD afforded psychedelic sensory distortions. I'm of the opinion that different chemicals evoke various hormones (or whatevers) to respond...and thus a certain drugs/herbs can cause bad effects (bad trips) or good effects (good trips). I do think whatever one experiences within the good trip or the bad trip comes from somewhere in the person's psyche...but the drug used helps determine if what is pulled from the psyche is pleasurable or not pleasurable. (Hope that makes sense.) Eventually all my trips tuck a turn toward the dark side, which was probably a blessing because I gave up tripping. Hmmmthat is when I turned to TM by the way. Ha.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Doc....Regarding psychedelic/hallucinogen drug experiences -
i clung not cling... though it might be a freudian slip, or skirt. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote: Well stated. :) The paranoia was horrid in those last days. I thought I was going crazy...and I probably was. My saving thought as I sat alone rocking back and forth on my bed at 16 years old...my saving thought was, If I was crazy, I wouldn't know it. I cling to that thought of logic. I found my way down the stairs at my parents home and pulled out the local newspaper in search for help. There was an add for TM. I made the phone call and was soon receiving my mantra. I'm not sure if TM was what helped me specifically or if simply taking some sort of action and replacing the drugs helped. Regardless, that action did help save my mind and my sanity. (Though some may disagree. haha) :) *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Seraphita s3raphita@ wrote: I also agree with you about trips eventually taking a turn toward the dark side. I'm convinced that taking a top-end psychedelic can give one a genuine experience of the divine - a gnosis of the divine Mind. The trouble is, when you take the drugs you're also trying to escape your everyday self and its everyday boring routine. You want to squeeze the maximum pleasure from the experience and twist it to serve your own desires and fantasies. The divine is indifferent to our ego games and one's repressed fears can't be held back for long and so come to the surface nightmarishly magnified by the effect of the psychedelic. Me too: when I'd had a bellyful of taking acid then trying TM seemed like the next natural step. And so it proved . . . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote: Hey Doc, Sometime in this past week I read one of your responses on a thread. I forget the thread now. But I recall the essence of your response. (I couldn't respond at the time because I had carpal tunnel surgery this past Monday, 2/18, and wasn't able to really type and now can't remember where you commented. Sorry bout that.) Anyhoo...you stated something to the effect that a person's experience when under the influence of a psychedelic drug mirrored that person's internal state. (Again, going by memory ... so if I mis-understood, please correct me.) In my experience that isn't always true. An example would be the drug/herb jimson weed. Every experience I've ever read/heard has always been horrid hallucinations. (I danced with jimson weed when I was 15 years old and can atest to its horrors.) As far as other psychedelics, they each had their own nuance in my experiences. For example: Mescaline often made me laugh a lot. MDA made me horny. LSD afforded psychedelic sensory distortions. I'm of the opinion that different chemicals evoke various hormones (or whatevers) to respond...and thus a certain drugs/herbs can cause bad effects (bad trips) or good effects (good trips). I do think whatever one experiences within the good trip or the bad trip comes from somewhere in the person's psyche...but the drug used helps determine if what is pulled from the psyche is pleasurable or not pleasurable. (Hope that makes sense.) Eventually all my trips tuck a turn toward the dark side, which was probably a blessing because I gave up tripping. Hmmmthat is when I turned to TM by the way. Ha.
