[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

[ultrarishi]

Rick, thanks for the forum.  It is one of the gifts of the internet that made 
the internet personally useful in ways I never imagined possible.  It's nice to 
connect with folks about TM and a million other subjects without having to 
necessarily be politically correct at local center.  We have been able to 
express our concerns without that passive agressive behavior so many governors 
and teachers engage in.  I firmly believe that being critical in a constructive 
manner is "not going negative".

All the best.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

And then there is TAILS which is a TOR based Linux.  Put it on a USB 
stick and boot up or even run it off a DVD.  Fun stuff.


On 07/19/2015 01:53 PM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Messages can always be deleted from the Yahoo archives. And, with 
Yahoo's anonymity system, user info appears to be in the header in 
encrypted form, so if something legally actionable were to be posted, 
I'm pretty sure the identity could be revealed with legal proceedings. 
By contrast, my group has a bring your own anonymity policy, and our 
one anonymous troll is using TOR, which is basically untraceable. Of 
course, there's nothing stopping a person from using TOR on FFL, so... 
ya posts online, ya takes yer chances.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
I am glad to hear it was offered to you and that it was your choice. I 
don't blame you for not wanting it. I also appreciate your information 
about the security issues. That pretty much destroys any chance of 
being protected if someone goes after you online on one of these 
groups. Good to know.




Ownership of FFL was offered to me several years ago, and I turned it 
down. Had he asked me again, I'd have turned him down again. Yahoo's 
anonymity system has the gaping security hole that lets Ravi post, 
with little that I can do to stop it; I don't mind that Ravi does it, 
because he's not a dick about it. But, it's a potential source of 
tremendous abuse, and it's not possible to turn off the anonymity 
feature. Also, I wouldn't want to take on management of the off-site 
archive, where posts can only be deleted by the site's administrator. 
I like my new group just fine, and if I do say so myself, it's a 
shining example of Maharishi's idea of the perfect government: an 
enlightened dictator.


-JaiGuruMe!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and 
allowing me to be part of it after these years.  Good luck in your 
future endeavors and we'll be watching your BATGAP presentations.  
Come back and visit us anytime.



JR



Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I 
loved FFL and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of 
this site was brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of 
people.



I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his 
reasons or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally 
I wish he had handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and 
that seems to be run like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he 
created here. I am not gunna throw shade over all the good years 
because of this last action. Especially when a good option exists for 
people who don't trust the current moderator.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Not sure what all the fuss is about.

Things change. People change.


It's not like we don't have choices.


Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, 
(jeez, if I had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at 
least a $1.50 by now), let me know.



I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department.


Anyway, keep up the good work!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 


 Curtis, 
 

 That's well said.  But all things must change.  This forum has its own karma, 
and I'm willing to be a witness as to how this forum will evolve in the near 
future.  For myself, I can't believe I've been here this long.  Life goes on...
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to 
be part of it after these years.  Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll 
be watching your BATGAP presentations.  Come back and visit us anytime.
 

 JR
 

 

 Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL 
and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was 
brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. 

 

 I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons 
or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had 
handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run 
like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna 
throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially 
when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not sure what all the fuss is about.
 

 Things change. People change.
 

 It's not like we don't have choices.
 

 Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I 
had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), 
let me know.
 

 I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department.
 

 Anyway, keep up the good work!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Messages can always be deleted from the Yahoo archives. And, with Yahoo's 
anonymity system, user info appears to be in the header in encrypted form, so 
if something legally actionable were to be posted, I'm pretty sure the identity 
could be revealed with legal proceedings. By contrast, my group has a bring 
your own anonymity policy, and our one anonymous troll is using TOR, which is 
basically untraceable. Of course, there's nothing stopping a person from using 
TOR on FFL, so... ya posts online, ya takes yer chances.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
I am glad to hear it was offered to you and that it was your choice. I don't 
blame you for not wanting it. I also appreciate your information about the 
security issues.  That pretty much destroys any chance of being protected if 
someone goes after you online on one of these groups. Good to know.



 Ownership of FFL was offered to me several years ago, and I turned it down. 
Had he asked me again, I'd have turned him down again. Yahoo's anonymity system 
has the gaping security hole that lets Ravi post, with little that I can do to 
stop it; I don't mind that Ravi does it, because he's not a dick about it. But, 
it's a potential source of tremendous abuse, and it's not possible to turn off 
the anonymity feature. Also, I wouldn't want to take on management of the 
off-site archive, where posts can only be deleted by the site's administrator. 
I like my new group just fine, and if I do say so myself, it's a shining 
example of Maharishi's idea of the perfect government: an enlightened dictator. 
-JaiGuruMe!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to 
be part of it after these years.  Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll 
be watching your BATGAP presentations.  Come back and visit us anytime.
 

 JR
 

 

 Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL 
and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was 
brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. 

 

 I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons 
or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had 
handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run 
like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna 
throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially 
when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not sure what all the fuss is about.
 

 Things change. People change.
 

 It's not like we don't have choices.
 

 Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I 
had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), 
let me know.
 

 I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department.
 

 Anyway, keep up the good work!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
I am glad to hear it was offered to you and that it was your choice. I don't 
blame you for not wanting it. I also appreciate your information about the 
security issues.  That pretty much destroys any chance of being protected if 
someone goes after you online on one of these groups. Good to know.



 Ownership of FFL was offered to me several years ago, and I turned it down. 
Had he asked me again, I'd have turned him down again. Yahoo's anonymity system 
has the gaping security hole that lets Ravi post, with little that I can do to 
stop it; I don't mind that Ravi does it, because he's not a dick about it. But, 
it's a potential source of tremendous abuse, and it's not possible to turn off 
the anonymity feature. Also, I wouldn't want to take on management of the 
off-site archive, where posts can only be deleted by the site's administrator. 
I like my new group just fine, and if I do say so myself, it's a shining 
example of Maharishi's idea of the perfect government: an enlightened dictator. 
-JaiGuruMe!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to 
be part of it after these years.  Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll 
be watching your BATGAP presentations.  Come back and visit us anytime.
 

 JR
 

 

 Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL 
and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was 
brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. 

 

 I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons 
or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had 
handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run 
like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna 
throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially 
when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not sure what all the fuss is about.
 

 Things change. People change.
 

 It's not like we don't have choices.
 

 Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I 
had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), 
let me know.
 

 I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department.
 

 Anyway, keep up the good work!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ownership of FFL was offered to me several years ago, and I turned it down. Had 
he asked me again, I'd have turned him down again. Yahoo's anonymity system has 
the gaping security hole that lets Ravi post, with little that I can do to stop 
it; I don't mind that Ravi does it, because he's not a dick about it. But, it's 
a potential source of tremendous abuse, and it's not possible to turn off the 
anonymity feature. Also, I wouldn't want to take on management of the off-site 
archive, where posts can only be deleted by the site's administrator. I like my 
new group just fine, and if I do say so myself, it's a shining example of 
Maharishi's idea of the perfect government: an enlightened dictator. 
-JaiGuruMe!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to 
be part of it after these years.  Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll 
be watching your BATGAP presentations.  Come back and visit us anytime.
 

 JR
 

 

 Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL 
and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was 
brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. 

 

 I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons 
or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had 
handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run 
like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna 
throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially 
when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not sure what all the fuss is about.
 

 Things change. People change.
 

 It's not like we don't have choices.
 

 Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I 
had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), 
let me know.
 

 I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department.
 

 Anyway, keep up the good work!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to 
be part of it after these years.  Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll 
be watching your BATGAP presentations.  Come back and visit us anytime.
 

 JR
 

 

 Me: Well said. I sent my feelings to Rick but they mirror yours. I loved FFL 
and appreciate how it was run all these years. The idea of this site was 
brilliant and it has done a lot of good for a lot of people. 

 

 I am sorry about his choice for the new owner but I don't know all his reasons 
or how many options he had once he wanted to bail. Personally I wish he had 
handed it over to Alex but Alex has his own site now and that seems to be run 
like the old FFL. Rick can be proud of what he created here. I am not gunna 
throw shade over all the good years because of this last action. Especially 
when a good option exists for people who don't trust the current moderator. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not sure what all the fuss is about.
 

 Things change. People change.
 

 It's not like we don't have choices.
 

 Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I 
had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), 
let me know.
 

 I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department.
 

 Anyway, keep up the good work!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick, Thanks for All the Good Times

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, I would like to thank Rick too for starting this forum and allowing me to 
be part of it after these years.  Good luck in your future endeavors and we'll 
be watching your BATGAP presentations.  Come back and visit us anytime.
 

 JR

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Not sure what all the fuss is about.
 

 Things change. People change.
 

 It's not like we don't have choices.
 

 Oh, if you need a character witness for Edg's threatened lawsuit, (jeez, if I 
had a nickel for each time I've heard that, I'd have at least a $1.50 by now), 
let me know.
 

 I imagine you'd have no shortage in the department.
 

 Anyway, keep up the good work!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti2218411"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - 
> > > > will
> > > > and must take over.
> 
> 
> It is basically greed,stupidity and politics that has prevented the United 
> States from from developing a more substantial level of renewable energy(it 
> currently is at 14%). As an example of why this is so, is Germany which 
> currently produces 20% of its energy from renewable sources and has passed a 
> mandate that 35% be renewable by 2020.But of course the power of the oil and 
> coal industries make it very unlikely that The US will make the type of 
> progress that Germany is making. see below
> 
> 
> 
> 
> According to BDEW's report, the most important source of renewable energy in 
> Germany is wind energy with 7.5 percent (out of the total electricity 
> supply), followed by biomass (5.6 percent), solar (3.5 percent), hydropower 
> (3.3 percent) and waste-fired power plants and other sources (0.8 percent).
> 
> So how Germany did it? In one word: Policy. In a report published earlier 
> this year, Deutsche Bank provided some of the ingredients of the German 
> successful recipe: Setting ambitious but attainable binding renewable energy 
> and climate targets, integrating these targets into energy policies and 
> linking the targets to comprehensive energy policy targets, creating 
> incentives (feed-in tariffs for example) to minimize investor risks and drive 
> costs down, and balancing constructive regulatory policy with flexibility by 
> introducing policy incentives that can also be adjusted to reflect changing 
> market conditions (for example, reducing solar feed-in tariff when solar 
> costs are going down). It's not surprising that the verdict of Deutsche Bank 
> was: "We believe that Germany exhibits best in class climate and renewable 
> energy policy structures."
>

Recently in Wired Magazine:

Why the Clean Tech Boom Went Bust

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2012/01/ff_solyndra/all/1

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!

[shanti2218411]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > > Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - 
> > > will
> > > and must take over.


It is basically greed,stupidity and politics that has prevented the United 
States from from developing a more substantial level of renewable energy(it 
currently is at 14%). As an example of why this is so, is Germany which 
currently produces 20% of its energy from renewable sources and has passed a 
mandate that 35% be renewable by 2020.But of course the power of the oil and 
coal industries make it very unlikely that The US will make the type of 
progress that Germany is making. see below




According to BDEW's report, the most important source of renewable energy in 
Germany is wind energy with 7.5 percent (out of the total electricity supply), 
followed by biomass (5.6 percent), solar (3.5 percent), hydropower (3.3 
percent) and waste-fired power plants and other sources (0.8 percent).

So how Germany did it? In one word: Policy. In a report published earlier this 
year, Deutsche Bank provided some of the ingredients of the German successful 
recipe: Setting ambitious but attainable binding renewable energy and climate 
targets, integrating these targets into energy policies and linking the targets 
to comprehensive energy policy targets, creating incentives (feed-in tariffs 
for example) to minimize investor risks and drive costs down, and balancing 
constructive regulatory policy with flexibility by introducing policy 
incentives that can also be adjusted to reflect changing market conditions (for 
example, reducing solar feed-in tariff when solar costs are going down). It's 
not surprising that the verdict of Deutsche Bank was: "We believe that Germany 
exhibits best in class climate and renewable energy policy structures."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - 
> > > > will
> > > > and must take over.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Correct. Our Space Brothers are ready to share their technologies when we 
> > > are ready to share the world's resources. Why are millions hungry in a 
> > > world of plenty ?
> > 
> > (Interpretation of the above-"Not until we are visited by space aliens will 
> > we be able to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels"). And I agree!
> 
> I didn't say that, so I disagree with you :-)

The reason is that we have been visited by them for a very long time already, 
and they still have not given us som real clues.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > > Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - 
> > > will
> > > and must take over.
> > 
> > 
> > Correct. Our Space Brothers are ready to share their technologies when we 
> > are ready to share the world's resources. Why are millions hungry in a 
> > world of plenty ?
> 
> (Interpretation of the above-"Not until we are visited by space aliens will 
> we be able to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels"). And I agree!

I didn't say that, so I disagree with you :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:



> > Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will
> > and must take over.
> 
> 
> Correct. Our Space Brothers are ready to share their technologies when we are 
> ready to share the world's resources. Why are millions hungry in a world of 
> plenty ?

(Interpretation of the above-"Not until we are visited by space aliens will we 
be able to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels"). And I agree! 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of wgm4u
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:59 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline
> cars!?!
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > If you generate the electricity with coal. Generate it with wind or solar
> > and it's a different story.
> 
> This is getting Hilarious Rick, you can't possibly think Wind and Solar
> could take over from Oil and Gas to drive electric cars, do you?
> 
> Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will
> and must take over.


Correct. Our Space Brothers are ready to share their technologies when we are 
ready to share the world's resources. Why are millions hungry in a world of 
plenty ?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of wgm4u
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:59 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline
cars!?!

 

  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> If you generate the electricity with coal. Generate it with wind or solar
> and it's a different story.

This is getting Hilarious Rick, you can't possibly think Wind and Solar
could take over from Oil and Gas to drive electric cars, do you?

Eventually they, and other renewables - some as yet to be discovered - will
and must take over.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> If you generate the electricity with coal. Generate it with
> wind or solar and it's a different story.

Or require electricity companies to generate power more
cleanly, as is the case in the U.S.


> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of wgm4u
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:15 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline
> cars!?!
> 
> Why Electric Cars Are More Polluting than Gas Guzzlers - at Least in China
> 
> Electric cars are all the rage in China, but they may not be helping to
> clean up the environment or protect human health from pollution.
> 
> By Alice Park   | @aliceparkny
>   | February 14, 2012 | +
>  than-gas-guzzlers-at-least-in-china/#disqus_thread> 
> 
> inShare1
> 
>  VisionsofAmerica/Joe Sohm / Getty Images
>  h=400&crop=1> 
> 
> VisionsofAmerica/Joe Sohm / Getty Images
> 
> It's unspoken, but every driver gliding around town behind the wheel of a
> Prius is thinking the same thing: "I'm saving the planet. What are you
> doing, you dirty-fossil-fuel burner?"
> 
> What's implied is that hybrid or electric-car drivers are also saving human
> lives, since the fuel-burning internal combustion engines that power
> conventional vehicles emit carbon dioxide and fine particulate matter
> including acids, organic chemicals as well as dust and soil; this pollution
> has been linked to respiratory and heart problems and cancer.
> 
> But, according to a new study published in the journal Environmental Science
> & Technology, it turns out that the use of electric vehicles may not be that
> clean after all, particularly in the world's most populated country, China.
> 
> In the study, Christopher Cherry, an assistant professor of civil and
> environmental engineering at University of Tennessee, and his colleagues
> found that in terms of air pollution, electric vehicles were more harmful to
> public health per kilometer traveled than gasoline-powered cars. That's
> right - the electrically powered cars turned out to be dirtier than those
> with internal combustion engines.
> 
> VIDEO: Turning Old Gas Guzzlers Into Electric Vehicles
> 
> 
> 
> How could that be? Cherry says there's been an implicit assumption that
> because electric cars don't burn fossil fuels, they're cleaner for the
> environment and safer for people, but that doesn't take into account how the
> electricity they use is generated. In China, that would be from - you
> guessed it - fossil fuels. About 85% of the country's electricity is powered
> by fossil fuels, of which 95% is coal.
> 
> "It's tricky comparing electric vehicle emissions with emissions from
> internal combustion engines, because you can't compare the emissions," says
> Cherry. "With gasoline engines, a 1-1 change in emissions results in a 1-1
> change in health outcomes because the emissions are released in the same
> place where people inhale them."
> 
> That's not the case with electric cars, whose dirty emissions are released
> at the electricity-generating power plant, while the vehicle is used
> elsewhere. It's this disconnect that has given electric vehicles an
> apparently cleaner bill for health, but Cherry says that once you factor in
> how many people within the range of electricity generating power plants are
> affected by emissions, the story gets a little dirtier. In China's case,
> pollution from electricity plants is spreading exposure to potentially
> harmful particulates in the air from urban populations to those in more
> remote rural regions.
> 
> Kilometer per kilometer, electric cars in China beat out conventional
> vehicles as among the worst environmental polluters. On average, the fine
> particulate emissions per passenger-km are 3.6 times greater for electric
> cars than for gasoline cars. That's better than for diesel cars but on par
> with diesel buses, which can spread their environmental impact across the
> number of passengers they carry. "If we compare gasoline car emissions to
> electric car emissions, the electric cars look very, very bad," says Cherry.
> "So the point is that you have to consider the emissions exposure when the
> exposure source is far apart - the electrical power plant as opposed to the
> tailpipe of a car."
> 
> MORE: 6 New Developments in the World of Electric Cars
>  ctric-cars/> 
> 
> The problem is that the Chinese government, in a well-intentioned effort to
> promote more eco-friendly power use, has been pushing electric cars
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick-Electric cars dirtier than gasoline cars!?!

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> If you generate the electricity with coal. Generate it with wind or solar
> and it's a different story.

This is getting Hilarious Rick, you can't possibly think Wind and Solar could 
take over from Oil and Gas to drive electric cars, do you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick (Hinduism teaches and *glorifies* revenge fantasies)

[authfriend]

Stupid Sal strikes again:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:

  And it seems to happen in all 
> spiritual groups, that the meanest rise to the
> top, often with a very phony smile before they 
> blacklist you.

You mean, like Barry showers his vicious attacks
with smiley faces and then urges FFLers not to 
read the posts of people he doesn't like?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick (Hinduism teaches and *glorifies* revenge fantasies)

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
Even if I had the time to read every post in FFL, (and I only have  
time to read a fraction) I don't think I would want to police it.  
Someone would have to get pretty outrageous before I would ban them.  
Certainly all the freedoms of the First Amendment aren't allowed  
here, but people seem to stay within limitations established by some  
sort of natural consensus. Some would like those limitations to be  
tighter; some looser. For some reason I want FFL to be about as  
unfettered as it is. I share many of your objections and spare  
myself the unpleasant exposure to most of the crap by skipping any  
post in which I catch a whiff of it. I know we lose some good people  
because of it, and that's regrettable. I still find it puzzling that  
people who have dedicated decades to spiritual development can  
sometimes be so mean-spirited. It contradicts what I understand  
spirituality to be.


Which is one good reason I opted out of anything
with even a whiff of "spirituality" in it--the people
involved often are not only not very nice, they can
be downright mean on a disturbingly regular basis.
And it seems to happen in all spiritual groups, that
the meanest rise to the top, often with a very phony
smile before they blacklist you.


But maybe my conception is limited.


It is Rick. When you get to
my level of evolution, you'll understand. :)

Or maybe time spent on the path does not correlate with how far one  
has actually progressed.


Evidently not.  Maybe most of these
paths weren't very well-paved.  Or
maybe our various forays into modern
forms of spirituality hasn't worked out
because it never did, except in fairy-stories.

I find that I can benefit from being the target of attacks and  
insults by using them as a tool for deepening my own equanimity.


Amen.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick (Hinduism teaches and *glorifies* revenge fantasies)

[Rick Archer]

Even if I had the time to read every post in FFL, (and I only have time to read 
a fraction) I don't think I would want to police it. Someone would have to get 
pretty outrageous before I would ban them. Certainly all the freedoms of the 
First Amendment aren't allowed here, but people seem to stay within limitations 
established by some sort of natural consensus. Some would like those 
limitations to be tighter; some looser. For some reason I want FFL to be about 
as unfettered as it is. I share many of your objections and spare myself the 
unpleasant exposure to most of the crap by skipping any post in which I catch a 
whiff of it. I know we lose some good people because of it, and that's 
regrettable. I still find it puzzling that people who have dedicated decades to 
spiritual development can sometimes be so mean-spirited. It contradicts what I 
understand spirituality to be. But maybe my conception is limited. Or maybe 
time spent on the path does not correlate with how far one has actually 
progressed. I find that I can benefit from being the target of attacks and 
insults by using them as a tool for deepening my own equanimity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick (Hinduism teaches and *glorifies* revenge fantasies)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Oct 2, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
> > Ideally, for me, this place should be where we expect our
> > opinions to be tested and see if we can sustain a POV
> > against conceptual erosion in an atmosphere of sincere
> > inquiry and discovery, but the personal attacks are so
> > mean-spirited that only the toughest skinned of us can
> > withstand the temptation to strike back, and I'm thin  
> > skinned enough that it is painful even to be in the
> > same cyber-room with Turq, Willy and others who are
> > supportive of evil perpetuating in the world, such that
> > when I succumb and find myself retaliating and thus
> > becoming a notch more similar to the attackers, it's  
> > crushing my heart to see that I voluntarily entered the
> > room and predictably got triggered by one troll or
> > another to the degree that I harm myself by processing
> > such negativity.
> 
> Edg, are you a member of some cult
> that doesn't believe in punctuation?
> Didn't you ever learn about run-on-
> sentences in HS?

It's a long sentence that could easily be split up into
several sentences. But Stupid Sal apparently doesn't know
what a run-on sentence is, nor does she seem to know what
a comma is. The sentence is perfectly punctuated, with
seven (count 'em) commas exactly where they should be, and
it has no grammatical mistakes whatsoever.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick (Hinduism teaches and *glorifies* revenge fantasies)

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > 
> > > > What barbarism. What indulgence in the lower 
> > > > emotions and in self importance.
> > > 
> > > LOL!!! Barry, that's a great description of *your* presence
> > > on FFL. Most of your rants are simply you lashing out at
> > > the mirror, and apparently, you're one of the few people
> > > here who don't see that. What surprises me most is that
> > > after spending so much time in spiritual trips about
> > > awakening, you've cultured so very little self-awareness.
> > > For all your preaching about other people being egoic, the
> > > bulk of your FFL presence is you wallowing in a cesspool of
> > > egoic aversion.
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> Alex:
> 
> Nice to see someone put the nut into a nutshell.  

Normally, I pay no attention to the more toxic aspects of Barry's FFL presence 
because most of his issues here are not my battles. I just accept it as part of 
the FFL milieu, and I do enjoy interacting with him on topics outside of his 
twisted rantscape. But, if he's going to draw me into one of his battles, as he 
did this morning, I will respond.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick (Hinduism teaches and *glorifies* revenge fantasies)

[Duveyoung]

The first thing any write must do is toss out the notion that high school 
English teachers had the skinny on grammar.  I did notice as I wrote it that it 
was many sentences, but "what the fuck,' said I, "cuz only Sal would be silly 
enough to complain."

Sal, do you side with Turq?  Do you think Polanski should be prosecuted? It 
would seem to me that your opinion on that issue is heftier than your 
snickering about my grammar, yet, you here you are with a post-lite instead.  

And, why the diss other than to be a troll instead of a contributor?

See Sal.

See Sal cry.

See Spot bark at Sal.

See Jane laugh at Sal.

See Dick laugh at Sal.

Cry Sal, cry.

I hope you appreciate the short and separated sentences.  A thank-you is in 
order -- pony up.  I'm waiting.

Edg




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Oct 2, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
> > Ideally, for me, this place should be where we expect our opinions  
> > to be tested and see if we can sustain a POV against conceptual  
> > erosion in an atmosphere of sincere inquiry and discovery, but the  
> > personal attacks are so mean-spirited that only the toughest skinned  
> > of us can withstand the temptation to strike back, and I'm thin  
> > skinned enough that it is painful even to be in the same cyber-room  
> > with Turq, Willy and others who are supportive of evil perpetuating  
> > in the world, such that when I succumb and find myself retaliating  
> > and thus becoming a notch more similar to the attackers, it's  
> > crushing my heart to see that I voluntarily entered the room and  
> > predictably got triggered by one troll or another to the degree that  
> > I harm myself by processing such negativity.
> 
> Edg, are you a member of some cult
> that doesn't believe in punctuation?
> Didn't you ever learn about run-on-
> sentences in HS?
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> Thanks Raunchy.  I appreciate that you can say TM working for you
> might not mean anything to me.  
> 
> The eggshells are more like broken glass.

Eggshells

Tightrope taught 
Toe trip light
Falter not
Or fear the flight

Icaris tested
Blistering sun
Wax wings bested
By too much fun

Falling to sea
Shattered by love
Fearless was he
White winged dove

Freedom bound
Storm all about
But courage sound
Without doubt

Fair-weather friends
Eggshells hollow
Worship ends
And dreams lay fallow

Harvest now
Unsung deeds
Unearthed by plow
And God's kind seeds

raunchydog

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> >
> > Yes!  That is what I have said from day one.  TM has nothing to do
> > with love and kindness.  And apparently even perverts can be
> > enlightened.  
> > 
> > I harbor resentment to the TMO.  Family and friends who became part of
> > the cult treat me like shit and they don't even know that they do. 
> > And I walk on eggshells.
> 
> Ruth, I don't judge anyone for stopping TM. It's a personal decision.
> TM "works for me" may not mean anything to you and you can challenge
> me intellectually about it all you want. Regardless, I will continue
> to like you because I respect your honesty. I don't agree that TM has
> nothing to do with love and kindness. I know many loving people who
> practice TM. I have no idea if they were that way before they started
> TM and I don't think it matters. Sorry about the eggshells.
>
Thanks Raunchy.  I appreciate that you can say TM working for you
might not mean anything to me.  

The eggshells are more like broken glass.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[curtisdeltablues]

Between TM "works for me" and TM "works" lie worlds of rapport, or
lack of it.

This brings up such an interesting point about how meditators and non
meditators relate.  

Most non meditators don't know that most meditators believe that they
have found the most important secret of life.

But people who have been involved with TM to a lessor or greater
degree do know.

So we are both put in a delicate dilemma. 

Should the meditators pretend that they don't believe that have found
the most important secret of life and people who have given it up have
thrown away the most precious thing EVER?

Should non meditators pretend that they don't believe that meditators
have gotten carried away with an alteration of their minds that may
amount to having a cat sit on our lap purring?

And should Christians pretend that we both are not going straight to
hell when we die because we haven't accepted Jesus H. Christ as our
personal savior?  

I think it is OK that the different sides have their strong beliefs
about the other.  I guess I'm at the place where as long as a person
is willing to not be a dick about it, I am fascinated by people's
beliefs.  And I know that the condescension monster can creep into my
interactions pretty easily out of my confidence for my POV also.

At its best FFL has given me a context to play with this question and
work out individual solutions with certain posters.  With only a very
few exceptions this has been generous place to me in this regard.  I
have a very positive regard for the people who make this such place a
dynamic multifaceted interaction. 

I was thinking about how I was going to tell FFL that I appreciate my
last year here with you all.  This is the post.  We have new voices
here that are making the place continually interesting and challenging
to me.

Thank you FFL. Happy New Year!






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
> >
> > Yes!  That is what I have said from day one.  TM has nothing to do
> > with love and kindness.  And apparently even perverts can be
> > enlightened.  
> > 
> > I harbor resentment to the TMO.  Family and friends who became part of
> > the cult treat me like shit and they don't even know that they do. 
> > And I walk on eggshells.
> 
> Ruth, I don't judge anyone for stopping TM. It's a personal decision.
> TM "works for me" may not mean anything to you and you can challenge
> me intellectually about it all you want. Regardless, I will continue
> to like you because I respect your honesty. I don't agree that TM has
> nothing to do with love and kindness. I know many loving people who
> practice TM. I have no idea if they were that way before they started
> TM and I don't think it matters. Sorry about the eggshells.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity  wrote:
>
> Yes!  That is what I have said from day one.  TM has nothing to do
> with love and kindness.  And apparently even perverts can be
> enlightened.  
> 
> I harbor resentment to the TMO.  Family and friends who became part of
> the cult treat me like shit and they don't even know that they do. 
> And I walk on eggshells.

Ruth, I don't judge anyone for stopping TM. It's a personal decision.
TM "works for me" may not mean anything to you and you can challenge
me intellectually about it all you want. Regardless, I will continue
to like you because I respect your honesty. I don't agree that TM has
nothing to do with love and kindness. I know many loving people who
practice TM. I have no idea if they were that way before they started
TM and I don't think it matters. Sorry about the eggshells.   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "I am the eternal"
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:50 AM, raunchydog  wrote:
> 
> > Barry, Excellent post. P.S. Closing the books on 2008 gives us an
> > opportunity to start fresh by paying off any remaining debts in 2009.
> > Send a check to Rick on my behalf for 10 Euros payable to:
> > http://tinyurl.com/74jywh
> >
> 
> Thanks to everyone who posted in this thread.  And especial thanks
to Raunch
> for posting the URL to Amma because now I finally get it.  I get the
> attraction you people have for Amma and why the TMO is the
anti-Christ (in
> metaphorical terms) and Amma is the Christ.  The TMO represents no
heart,
> despite Dr. BM's lispy (my friends and I have never believed that he was
> straight, but that's a different matter) endless gushing.  The TMO
can and
> does the expedient thing because just as a TB has no sense of humor
(Eric
> Hoffer), someone without heart finds doing the expedient so very easy.
> 
> I am still a visitor to the TMO.  I've read about the cult aspects
of the
> TMO (and believe it to be a cult and that no matter how much Peter and
> others would say that I'm not a member of a cult because I don't do
culty
> things).  I've also read extensively about the Church of Scientology.  I
> appreciate the laying it all out here on the New Year, but I feel
that there
> is no value in trying to destroy the TMO unless you can get a good
enough
> shot to bring it all down, and I don't think that can happen.  The
crowd I
> run with are TBs (though many visit Amma and other saints).  Were I to
> reveal how I really feel, they would all get up and walk away
without saying
> good bye.  And the world is full of this sort of people.
> 
> There just might be a force of evil like a rakshasha as Maharish
asserted GW
> Bush was.  Despite having memorized the Baltimore Catechism for my holy
> communion I could never convince myself to believe in evil and
especially
> embodiments of evil which have a life and a force of their own.  But
as I
> see the Church of Scientology, the TMO and GW Bush, I now have to
consider
> that rakshashas really do exist.  I feel that you can try to destroy the
> TMO, the Church of Scientology and other nasty and destructive
cults, but
> that they are like tornados, hurricanes and tidal waves.  If you get
rid of
> one here, another will pop up there.  These things, these organizations,
> these people appear to be part of the Cosmic Plan.  Stop them one
place, if
> you can, they'll pop up in another.
> 
> Some of you unwittingly and unknowingly fucked my TM friends and
myself over
> the years.  Hurt dies hard.  I too easily feel the pain of others and so
> many times I felt the pain of people who worked for the TMO but the
credits
> for TTC or ATRs or the sidhis disappeared and these people had
worked for
> nothing and had no recourse. It does me good to see that there's
remorse and
> that most likely as you go through the TMO it's tough to find the real
> brains behind evil doing because it's a group dynamic where people are
> either just following orders or just doing what's expected of their
role.
> 
> Raunch has the best solution, IMO, even though I visited Amma and felt
> nothing and still feel nothing for her.  Don't be consumed with
hate.  Find
> love.  Let love fill your heart.  Let love conquer the world.  I'm
going to
> do as Raunch suggested and make a donation to Amma's causes and
maybe Amma's
> love will help me overcome and forget how mean and rude and crude
the TMO
> has been to me and mine.  If not Amma, then find someone else who
draws out
> your love.  You can't concentrate or have your attention on two
things at
> once.  Place your attention on love.
>
Yes!  That is what I have said from day one.  TM has nothing to do
with love and kindness.  And apparently even perverts can be
enlightened.  

I harbor resentment to the TMO.  Family and friends who became part of
the cult treat me like shit and they don't even know that they do. 
And I walk on eggshells.  

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[Duveyoung]

Bingo!  Points for Turq, cuz, yes, I am still giving the fucking
business some space in my consciousness, and that it is indeed
self-abuse when I indulge in it such that I get riled up -- rarely
these days except when I hit the keyboard.

Say, you're not holding out on us are you?  Do you have a secret
mental technique to sell me?  Does ya got one? -- one that will allow
me to look into the eyes of my children and explain to them how I am
sinless for my involving them in a shuck and jive religion that
routinely breaks any law or moral it wants to while expecting TBs to
be silent about it?  

I'd pay $10,000 on the barrelhead for just such a technique. 
Sigh.there's so many whose eyes I cannot look into lest they
mention my poor "spiritual" decisions over the decades.

I can laugh at some stuff, but in FF right this moment are thousands
who are being promised LITERALLY EVERYTHING and are paying for that
"opportunity" with all their recreational money, all their spare time
and the silencing of their integrity -- all that for an empty promise
that the Raja's business ethics and daily lives easily disprove. 
Anyone who wears a crown, or bows to one who does wear one, is part of
a scam, and they fucking know it if they've been around the block even
once.  

I knew it was a scam; you knew, we all knew -- had to know, because
due to the quality of the lives of TBs and due to our own looks in the
mirror, we all had proof enough that the 5-8 years had passed us by
long long ago.

Some part of me, even now, is waiting for a hover by anyone -- even a
Scientologist -- geeze I'm still a sucker with this inner romantic
urge that wants something, anything, to show me the least proof of
magic in a world that can only be saved by a miracle when marauders
are in power.

Edg






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > I live a very good life thank you very much, so, by
> > your definition, I've got my revenge, but I'm not 
> > laughing. I feel total pity for those still in the 
> > fucking business' grasp.
> 
> If you're not laughing, doesn't that mean 
> that you're still in the fucking business'
> grasp?
> 
> > > No one can take that laughter away from you but
> > > yourself. But if what you want to accomplish is
> > > to lose your ability to laugh, dwelling on 
> > > revenge fantasies is the most effective way 
> > > to achieve it.
> 
> "In theory there's no difference between 
> theory and practice, but in practice 
> there is."
> - anonymous
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[I am the eternal]

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:50 AM, raunchydog  wrote:

> Barry, Excellent post. P.S. Closing the books on 2008 gives us an
> opportunity to start fresh by paying off any remaining debts in 2009.
> Send a check to Rick on my behalf for 10 Euros payable to:
> http://tinyurl.com/74jywh
>

Thanks to everyone who posted in this thread.  And especial thanks to Raunch
for posting the URL to Amma because now I finally get it.  I get the
attraction you people have for Amma and why the TMO is the anti-Christ (in
metaphorical terms) and Amma is the Christ.  The TMO represents no heart,
despite Dr. BM's lispy (my friends and I have never believed that he was
straight, but that's a different matter) endless gushing.  The TMO can and
does the expedient thing because just as a TB has no sense of humor (Eric
Hoffer), someone without heart finds doing the expedient so very easy.

I am still a visitor to the TMO.  I've read about the cult aspects of the
TMO (and believe it to be a cult and that no matter how much Peter and
others would say that I'm not a member of a cult because I don't do culty
things).  I've also read extensively about the Church of Scientology.  I
appreciate the laying it all out here on the New Year, but I feel that there
is no value in trying to destroy the TMO unless you can get a good enough
shot to bring it all down, and I don't think that can happen.  The crowd I
run with are TBs (though many visit Amma and other saints).  Were I to
reveal how I really feel, they would all get up and walk away without saying
good bye.  And the world is full of this sort of people.

There just might be a force of evil like a rakshasha as Maharish asserted GW
Bush was.  Despite having memorized the Baltimore Catechism for my holy
communion I could never convince myself to believe in evil and especially
embodiments of evil which have a life and a force of their own.  But as I
see the Church of Scientology, the TMO and GW Bush, I now have to consider
that rakshashas really do exist.  I feel that you can try to destroy the
TMO, the Church of Scientology and other nasty and destructive cults, but
that they are like tornados, hurricanes and tidal waves.  If you get rid of
one here, another will pop up there.  These things, these organizations,
these people appear to be part of the Cosmic Plan.  Stop them one place, if
you can, they'll pop up in another.

Some of you unwittingly and unknowingly fucked my TM friends and myself over
the years.  Hurt dies hard.  I too easily feel the pain of others and so
many times I felt the pain of people who worked for the TMO but the credits
for TTC or ATRs or the sidhis disappeared and these people had worked for
nothing and had no recourse. It does me good to see that there's remorse and
that most likely as you go through the TMO it's tough to find the real
brains behind evil doing because it's a group dynamic where people are
either just following orders or just doing what's expected of their role.

Raunch has the best solution, IMO, even though I visited Amma and felt
nothing and still feel nothing for her.  Don't be consumed with hate.  Find
love.  Let love fill your heart.  Let love conquer the world.  I'm going to
do as Raunch suggested and make a donation to Amma's causes and maybe Amma's
love will help me overcome and forget how mean and rude and crude the TMO
has been to me and mine.  If not Amma, then find someone else who draws out
your love.  You can't concentrate or have your attention on two things at
once.  Place your attention on love.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> I live a very good life thank you very much, so, by
> your definition, I've got my revenge, but I'm not 
> laughing. I feel total pity for those still in the 
> fucking business' grasp.

If you're not laughing, doesn't that mean 
that you're still in the fucking business'
grasp?

> > No one can take that laughter away from you but
> > yourself. But if what you want to accomplish is
> > to lose your ability to laugh, dwelling on 
> > revenge fantasies is the most effective way 
> > to achieve it.

"In theory there's no difference between 
theory and practice, but in practice 
there is."
- anonymous

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[raunchydog]

Barry, Excellent post. P.S. Closing the books on 2008 gives us an
opportunity to start fresh by paying off any remaining debts in 2009.
Send a check to Rick on my behalf for 10 Euros payable to:
http://tinyurl.com/74jywh

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[Marek Reavis]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert"  wrote:

**snip


> Holy Cow! Happy New Year Edg!
> 
> The closest I ever came to seeing what you are saying, was back in 
the
> early '80's...
> When a friend of mine, who lived in Fairfield, at the time, Marcus
> Lehrman, well he kind of saw through a lot of what was taking place.
> I remember being at a meeting, in Frat 151, with Maharishi and the
> 'Business People of Fairfield', at that time...
> So, Marcus was standing in back of the room, with kind of an 
attitude,
> and he was kind of just observing, when someone mentioned his name:
> 'Maharishi', there's someone here named Marcus...he's started some
> businesses here; are you here Marcus?
> So, I remember he could have said anything to Maharishi at that 
point,
> but the group consciousness there, seemed like it would not allow 
such
> an interaction to take place.
> Marcus just said a few words about how it was going, but there was 
no
> hint of any confrontation.
> Anyway, your passionate tone, let me think back to that time, long 
ago
> and far away...
> R.G.
>

**end

Hey, Robert, are you still in touch with Marcus?  We were good friends 
in Fairfield and moved out to Washington/Oregon about the same time 
soon after the time you mention (above) and about 6 months before the 
Taste of Tapioca course (my family came back for the course but Marcus 
and his family didn't, IIRC).  We haven't talked in several years now 
and I've been thinking of looking him up and seeing if he's still 
surfing.  He's up somewhere around Lincoln City along the Oregon 
coast.

If you happen to have his contact information I'd be very happy to get 
it from you off forum at my email address.

Happy New Year to you and yours.

Marek

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey, Rick, you might not like this post

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 1, 2009, at 11:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> With all due respect to the feelings involved,
> this sounds to me like Just One More Revenge
> Fantasy, on a chat group that already has far
> too many of them.

Yeah, but as revenge fantasies go, this is
one of the better ones (tee hee!).


> Do you find revenge fantasies attractive when
> they are played out on this group by posters
> here?

I think he was just kidding--lighten up, Barry!

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[Dick Richardson]

Oh you are a breath of divine air in stagnant 
smelly pool Ma'am - I will love you for ever - honest.
 
Sir Richard of Exmoor.

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  Sunshine 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:33 
PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey 
  Rick
  Probably because he fits in so well with the rest of 
  us...SalOn Jun 6, 2006, at 12:16 PM, 
  feste37 wrote:
  You seem like a rude, 
egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go away? 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[Sal Sunshine]

Guess I'll have to try harder, then--good to know I've got the rude, boring part down though... :)

Sal


On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:43 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:

oh sal, you aren't egotistical. :)

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:
 >
 > Probably because he fits in so well with the rest of us...
 > 
 > Sal
 > 
 > 
 > On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:16 PM, feste37 wrote:
 > 
 > > You seem like a rude, egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go
 away?
 >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[new_morning_blank_slate]

oh sal, you aren't egotistical. :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> Probably because he fits in so well with the rest of us...
> 
> Sal
> 
> 
> On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:16 PM, feste37 wrote:
> 
> > You seem like a rude, egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go
away?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[Sal Sunshine]

Probably because he fits in so well with the rest of us...

Sal


On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:16 PM, feste37 wrote:

You seem like a rude, egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go away? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Well, why do you not try saying something instead of just
> bleating like a bloody castrated sheep?  Star a sodding
> conversation for Ker-Riced sake - what's the matter with
> you lot here - nothing but moan moan bloody moan all the
> time.
> 
> Hey man, you are alive, say something  before you aint. Leave
> some bloody footprints in the sands of time for kids yet to
> come here eh.
> 
> Dick.
 
This is Rick's group, but he did make me a moderator, and I'm trying
to clarify Rick's position with respect to what constitutes spam
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick





on 6/6/06 11:36 AM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> on 6/6/06 4:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
> 
> > T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as if
> > the "New Improved Yahoo! Groups" software allows
> > cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO
> > a classically Bad Thing. As list moderator, you
> > might want to send them an email asking what's up.
> > Just a suggestion...
> > 
> Dick may have posted the same message to several groups, but 
> he’s a “real” person who will engage in discussion if there’s
> interest. He’s been a member here and in another (now inactive)
> group I manage, and IMO is a good fellow. He’s feisty and
> colorful and can be quite argumentative, but we can handle
> that, eh?

Rick, lemme get this straight. Folks posting canned content, like Dick
is doing, is ok as long as it's a person who actually participates on
the forum? 'Cuz, other than responding on the list, he doesn't strike
me as any different than the Christian and Muslim spammers that were
attempting to post to FFL recently.

My attitude is that if the Muslim and Christian spammers actually monitored the forums to which they post their pre-written pieces, and engaged in a dialog with people who cared to respond to them, that would be OK. Dick is obviously monitoring the forum and ready to discuss what he’s posting. If no one cares to do that, so be it. He’ll run out of pre-written things to post. Posting a pre-written thing is no different than posting an interesting article one finds in the hope of stirring up discussion.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Well, why do you not try saying something instead of just bleating 
like a bloody castrated sheep?  Star a sodding conversation for Ker-
Riced sake - what's the matter with you lot here - nothing but moan 
moan bloody moan all the time.
> 
> Hey man, you are alive, say something  before you aint. Leave some 
bloody footprints in the sands of time for kids yet to come here eh.
> 
> Dick.
> 
Hi Dick,

Not too interested in posterity, or bleating for that 
matter...Nonetheless, I read some of what is on your website- and 
find a lot on your website in common with my basic perspective; here 
to BE and live a life both personal and transcendent. (enjoyed the 
few poems I read also).

So perhaps I am just too lazy or disinterested in books in general 
to plow through all of what you've written, and for that I apologize 
in advance, but my question is, given you explanations of the 
phenomenal world, and the strange interface we enjoy in it, do you 
find evidence of more evolved beings, such as gods and angels, or is 
it purely a world of us BEING?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[feste37]

You seem like a rude, egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go away? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Well, why do you not try saying something instead of just bleating like a 
bloody castrated sheep?  Star a sodding conversation for Ker-Riced sake - 
what's the matter with you lot here - nothing but moan moan bloody moan all 
the time.
> 
> Hey man, you are alive, say something  before you aint. Leave some bloody 
footprints in the sands of time for kids yet to come here eh.
> 
> Dick.
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Alex Stanley 
>   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:36 PM
>   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
> 
> 
>   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > on 6/6/06 4:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   > 
>   > > T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as if
>   > > the "New Improved Yahoo! Groups" software allows
>   > > cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO
>   > > a classically Bad Thing. As list moderator, you
>   > > might want to send them an email asking what's up.
>   > > Just a suggestion...
>   > > 
>   > Dick may have posted the same message to several groups, but 
>   > he1s a 3real2 person who will engage in discussion if there1s
>   > interest. He1s been a member here and in another (now inactive)
>   > group I manage, and IMO is a good fellow. He1s feisty and
>   > colorful and can be quite argumentative, but we can handle
>   > that, eh?
> 
>   Rick, lemme get this straight. Folks posting canned content, like Dick
>   is doing, is ok as long as it's a person who actually participates on
>   the forum? 'Cuz, other than responding on the list, he doesn't strike
>   me as any different than the Christian and Muslim spammers that were
>   attempting to post to FFL recently.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Well, why do you not try saying something instead 
>of just bleating like a bloody castrated sheep?  
>Star a sodding conversation for Ker-Riced sake - 
>what's the matter with you lot here - nothing but 
>moan moan bloody moan all the time.
> 
> Hey man, you are alive, say something  before you 
>aint. Leave some bloody footprints in the sands of 
>time for kids yet to come here eh.
> 
> Dick.

Is there not a voting system on YahooGroups? I propose
a motion:

"This house would use its Right Foot of Indignation
to kick Dick's sorry arse into the Ditch of Oblivion"
Uns.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[Dick Richardson]

Well, why do you not try saying 
something instead of just bleating like a bloody castrated sheep?  Star a 
sodding conversation for Ker-Riced sake - what's the matter with you lot here - 
nothing but moan moan bloody moan all the time.
 
Hey man, you are alive, say 
something  before you aint. Leave some bloody footprints in the sands of 
time for kids yet to come here eh.
 
Dick.
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Alex Stanley 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:36 
PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey 
  Rick
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Rick Archer ...>wrote:>> on 6/6/06 
  4:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com 
  wrote:> > > T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as 
  if> > the "New Improved Yahoo! Groups" software allows> > 
  cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO> > a classically Bad 
  Thing. As list moderator, you> > might want to send them an email 
  asking what's up.> > Just a suggestion...> > > 
  Dick may have posted the same message to several groups, but > he¹s a 
  ³real² person who will engage in discussion if there¹s> interest. He¹s 
  been a member here and in another (now inactive)> group I manage, and 
  IMO is a good fellow. He¹s feisty and> colorful and can be quite 
  argumentative, but we can handle> that, eh?Rick, lemme get this 
  straight. Folks posting canned content, like Dickis doing, is ok as long 
  as it's a person who actually participates onthe forum? 'Cuz, other than 
  responding on the list, he doesn't strikeme as any different than the 
  Christian and Muslim spammers that wereattempting to post to FFL 
  recently.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> on 6/6/06 4:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as if
> > the "New Improved Yahoo! Groups" software allows
> > cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO
> > a classically Bad Thing. As list moderator, you
> > might want to send them an email asking what's up.
> > Just a suggestion...
> > 
> Dick may have posted the same message to several groups, but 
> he¹s a ³real² person who will engage in discussion if there¹s
> interest. He¹s been a member here and in another (now inactive)
> group I manage, and IMO is a good fellow. He¹s feisty and
> colorful and can be quite argumentative, but we can handle
> that, eh?

Rick, lemme get this straight. Folks posting canned content, like Dick
is doing, is ok as long as it's a person who actually participates on
the forum? 'Cuz, other than responding on the list, he doesn't strike
me as any different than the Christian and Muslim spammers that were
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[FairfieldLife] Re: HEY RICK !, SOMEONE DECIDED to SHAFT ME

[Richard J. Williams]

off_world_beings  wrote:
> Was it you who posted post 73237 willytex???
>
No, but my first guess would be either Tom Pall or Kirk Berkhardt. 

These incidents happen all the time on Usenet - for example, Steve
Perino once used my handle 'willytex' to post an embarrasing message -
however, everyone knows I'm the one and only [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.rwilliams.us/jump.htm

From: Tom Pall
Date: Mon Jul 14, 2003  2:12 am
Subject: Re: Events going on in Fairfield right now?
Message 8705
 
I did my share of mean mouthing. I am probably the only person to
spend 6 1/2 months on CCP and writing nasty things on the Usenet
newsgroup alt.meditation.transcendental.

From: Eve Kadmon (Kirk Bernhardt) 
Subject: It's obvious I scared everyone off, and here's why! 
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 2002-01-29 18:38:43 PST
http://tinyurl.com/dd6g6

He is Mara I tell you. Get out fast like the house is on fire. Before
it's too late!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: HEY RICK !, SOMEONE DECIDED to SHAFT ME

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
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> off_world_beings wrote:
> > SOMEONE DECIDED to SHAFT ME
> >
> Did you enjoy?


Was it you who posted post 73237  willytex???






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[FairfieldLife] Re: HEY RICK !, SOMEONE DECIDED to SHAFT ME

[Richard J. Williams]

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> SOMEONE DECIDED to SHAFT ME
>
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