Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ice Krispies
Congrats on your new digs. I'm going to have a big one of those parked in front of my house all next week. A couple of friends who used to work at Microsoft will be visited. They tootle all around the country in it. They will dropping by on their way to Clear Lake. On 12/13/2013 05:13 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Thank you! I just got through the two hour orientation, and drove the beast home, now parked in the driveway - not as scary as I thought, and very solid to drive. Gotta watch low overpasses and gas station roofs. Time to "go to school", learning all the subsystems, and then continue my meglo-maniacal plan for artistic domination of the solar system!
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LOL - I need the reminder! I have driven everything from a fork lift to a 26 ft truck, towing my car, (including fucking up a delivery truck - smashed in the box part, into a low tree branch, while driving for a Persian rug company, during the Khomeini revolution, in Washington, DC, CIA spies and all), but being a visual sort, I get easily distracted on the road, by...everything. I would *never* trust myself on a motorcycle - rode a Honda 90 around a dirt track, and a Yamaha 175, dirt biking, and that was enough!! This vehicle is around 12 tons, built on steel girders. Doesn't help the gas mileage, but it is solid, and as long as I plan my routes, I'm good.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ice Krispies
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Thank you! I just got through the two hour orientation, and drove the beast home, now parked in the driveway - not as scary as I thought, and very solid to drive. Gotta watch low overpasses and gas station roofs. Time to "go to school", learning all the subsystems, and then continue my meglo-maniacal plan for artistic domination of the solar system! Please watch before venturing out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Z1K37SHbE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Z1K37SHbE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
I love Gamelan music! It was our version of being in "band" when I went to school in Djarkarta - I played a hand-held bamboo musical instrument, where the vibration of various sticks of bamboo, within a chamber, would produce different tones - almost like a playable rain-stick. Also went to several hindu epics on Bali, where a gamelan orchestra provided the music. I didn't realize Tibet had adopted it as well.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ice Krispies
Thank you! I just got through the two hour orientation, and drove the beast home, now parked in the driveway - not as scary as I thought, and very solid to drive. Gotta watch low overpasses and gas station roofs. Time to "go to school", learning all the subsystems, and then continue my meglo-maniacal plan for artistic domination of the solar system!
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ice Krispies
Congratulations Jim! The wilderness awaits you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
Er, no, sorry. Remember the level of musical education of the person to whom I was speaking when I used the term, and with reference to what piece (I know you like it, but I thought it was really pretty drab). BTW, some of the "great composers" were also intrigued by "found music" and "primitive" tunes, folk music, spirituals, and so on, using them in important pieces (e.g., Dvorak's "New World" Symphony). Bhairitu wrote: << The term "real music" sounds curious to a trained musician's ear because they no there is no such thing as "real music." It's a "fan term." Musicians, especially composers, can be as intrigued with the simple made up tune of a mountain goat herder as with the complex orchestrations of the great composers. "Real music" sounds like a term that someone who is insecure about their choice of music would use because they need the "good musickeeping seal of approval" for their music choices. :-D >> Not to say that some of the music linked isn't wonderful. I could probably link to some other pieces that are admired by professionals that some folks here might hate. You gotta appreciate the works of John Cage too. I noted your post about the music generated by Wikipedia editing. I call that a "sound piece" and not actually music though someone has crafted the scales used so there is almost no dissonance. Musicians are often experimenting with such things to come up with new and different ideas. A few years ago I noticed that after listening to 5 or 10 minutes of Tibetan Gamelan music I heard western music in a different light. It almost deprogrammed me of any association which images we get when we listen to music.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
On 12/12/2013 11:41 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > Bhairitu asked: > > > > How do you define "real music"? > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, the non-musician said to the musician: > > I know it when I hear it. To quote someone else on this forum, "That's what I was afraid she'd say." :-) As for the non-musician's ability to "know" anything, see my previous post. :-) The term "real music" sounds curious to a trained musician's ear because they no there is no such thing as "real music." It's a "fan term." Musicians, especially composers, can be as intrigued with the simple made up tune of a mountain goat herder as with the complex orchestrations of the great composers. "Real music" sounds like a term that someone who is insecure about their choice of music would use because they need the "good musickeeping seal of approval" for their music choices. :-D Not to say that some of the music linked isn't wonderful. I could probably link to some other pieces that are admired by professionals that some folks here might hate. You gotta appreciate the works of John Cage too. I noted your post about the music generated by Wikipedia editing. I call that a "sound piece" and not actually music though someone has crafted the scales used so there is almost no dissonance. Musicians are often experimenting with such things to come up with new and different ideas. A few years ago I noticed that after listening to 5 or 10 minutes of Tibetan Gamelan music I heard western music in a different light. It almost deprogrammed me of any association which images we get when we listen to music.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ice Krispies
I know, sorry. It's just that I tend to want to exhaust all other explanations for an aberration of nature than the most likely one - stupidity. I like to think nature is more creative than that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
You took the words right out of my mouth Doc. Maybe it's a little like his idea of "serial farthing" which appeared last summer. I thing he might have a bit of a lithp after all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
You know Barry's next comeback will be how he pushed all of our buttons and just look at all of the posts we have made in his honour and because of him and his conscious technique to make us all go CRAZY and get our panties in a twist. He is poised right now with command V ready to paste his usual "Rote Post #44" from his long list of cookie cutter rants. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Barry is the very last person who should be accusing anyone else of poverty of imagination. His can't even incorporate the obvious fact of the huge role that battle--from mythic and glorious to painfully real and depraved--has played in human artistic and intellectual culture throughout history. Much more important, to Barry, to attempt to destroy his own perceived opponent with spitballs. But at least, at the end here, he accurately characterizes his own limitations. Barry babbled: << --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfriend@... wrote: > > > > I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On > > one hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, > > it imposes a kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the > > music that is not native to it and that can impede genuine > > appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for me, is the use of > > "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the atrocities portrayed in > > /Apocalypse Now/. It's almost impossible to hear the music without the > > mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent > > Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very > > different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly > > depraved. > > Coppola was using that piece to mock the war. Coppola's father was a > professional musician and composer. The very *idea* that there can be such a thing as "mythical and gloriously heroic" battle reveals a great deal about the person who tries to turn *everything* into a battle. *All* forms of battle reveal nothing more than a poverty of imagination and intelligence on the part of the participants.>>
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
Dunno. I think maybe it's a pet name. Or perhaps baby talk. Or both. DoctorDumbass wrote: << Is that like Sing-Sing, only with a lisp? >>
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ice Krispies
Took you awhile, Ann, but better late than never. ;-) Ann wrote to Barry: << I have finally figured it out. You are not only a war monger but you are actually dumb. Anyone who is willing to let stand statements like those you just revealed either has no self respect or is just plain old stupid. And what is more, you assume we are all as clueless as you are, that we would actually give credence to these dolt-headed inanities. I apologize to all the critical things I ever said to you Barry, I didn't realize you were, uh, challenged in the way I see now. >>
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ice Krispies
That's wonderful, Doc. Hope you can send us a picture of it. On Friday, December 13, 2013 9:09 AM, "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" wrote: I picked up on it, a long time ago, Ann. Barry can write provocatively, but not very intelligently. Despite his belief to the contrary, he is a very conventional guy, living mostly on memories. I don't judge him for it, but I also don't go for this persona he creates for himself - nor do many others in the real world, apparently, since he is posting like crazy to FFL, now that he has quit his job. In other news, I am picking up my motorhome today! So excited, and a bit apprehensive about wheeling around something 10 feet wide and 32 feet long - but also looking forward to getting out in some wilderness and hanging out. The advantage of a self-contained RV is that you can boondock for about ten days - camp anywhere, without needing external food, water, electricity or sewer facilities.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
Is that like Sing-Sing, only with a lisp?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
Sez Barry, for whom what comes to mind are "thing things," aptly (if, again, inadvertently) proving my point that it's a good idea to pause and reflect before posting one's thoughts. ;-) Barry drivels: << --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Yeah, that's a complete non sequitur in this context. > > > Not everything that "comes to mind" is worth saying. Not everything that > "comes to mind" makes sense. Ah, the definitive Judy-statement. Only the things that *her* limited mind can follow are "sequiturs," and *can* be followed. Only thing things that make sense to *her* are worth posting. Everyone should "write down" to her level. :-) >>
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
Barry is the very last person who should be accusing anyone else of poverty of imagination. His can't even incorporate the obvious fact of the huge role that battle--from mythic and glorious to painfully real and depraved--has played in human artistic and intellectual culture throughout history. Much more important, to Barry, to attempt to destroy his own perceived opponent with spitballs. But at least, at the end here, he accurately characterizes his own limitations. Barry babbled: << --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfriend@... wrote: > > > > I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On > > one hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, > > it imposes a kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the > > music that is not native to it and that can impede genuine > > appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for me, is the use of > > "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the atrocities portrayed in > > /Apocalypse Now/. It's almost impossible to hear the music without the > > mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent > > Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very > > different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly > > depraved. > > Coppola was using that piece to mock the war. Coppola's father was a > professional musician and composer. The very *idea* that there can be such a thing as "mythical and gloriously heroic" battle reveals a great deal about the person who tries to turn *everything* into a battle. *All* forms of battle reveal nothing more than a poverty of imagination and intelligence on the part of the participants.>>
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ice Krispies
I picked up on it, a long time ago, Ann. Barry can write provocatively, but not very intelligently. Despite his belief to the contrary, he is a very conventional guy, living mostly on memories. I don't judge him for it, but I also don't go for this persona he creates for himself - nor do many others in the real world, apparently, since he is posting like crazy to FFL, now that he has quit his job. In other news, I am picking up my motorhome today! So excited, and a bit apprehensive about wheeling around something 10 feet wide and 32 feet long - but also looking forward to getting out in some wilderness and hanging out. The advantage of a self-contained RV is that you can boondock for about ten days - camp anywhere, without needing external food, water, electricity or sewer facilities.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
Very humorous parallel to Barry's stance in the theological discussion. Inadvertent, but hilarious. In this case the poor dope can't even make sense of this minimal exchange between me and Bhairitu, and heaven forbid he take a chance he might be wrong and read my follow-up post. Barry prated: << > Bhairitu asked: > > > > How do you define "real music"? > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, >the non-musician said to the musician: > > I know it when I hear it. To quote someone else on this forum, "That's what I was afraid she'd say." :-) As for the non-musician's ability to "know" anything, see my previous post. :-) >>
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ice Krispies
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Yeah, that's a complete non sequitur in this context. > > > Not everything that "comes to mind" is worth saying. Not everything that > "comes to mind" makes sense. Ah, the definitive Judy-statement. Only the things that *her* limited mind can follow are "sequiturs," and *can* be followed. Only thing things that make sense to *her* are worth posting. Everyone should "write down" to her level. :-) I have finally figured it out. You are not only a war monger but you are actually dumb. Anyone who is willing to let stand statements like those you just revealed either has no self respect or is just plain old stupid. And what is more, you assume we are all as clueless as you are, that we would actually give credence to these dolt-headed inanities. I apologize to all the critical things I ever said to you Barry, I didn't realize you were, uh, challenged in the way I see now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > And let's not forget that a lot of the audience was hearing "kill da > wabbit" in their heads. :-D When I was growing up, the definition of a "highbrow" was "A person who can listen to the Willaim Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger." :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Yeah, that's a complete non sequitur in this context. > > > Not everything that "comes to mind" is worth saying. Not everything that "comes to mind" makes sense. Ah, the definitive Judy-statement. Only the things that *her* limited mind can follow are "sequiturs," and *can* be followed. Only thing things that make sense to *her* are worth posting. Everyone should "write down" to her level. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfriend@... wrote: > > > > I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On > > one hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, > > it imposes a kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the > > music that is not native to it and that can impede genuine > > appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for me, is the use of > > "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the atrocities portrayed in > > /Apocalypse Now/. It's almost impossible to hear the music without the > > mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent > > Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very > > different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly > > depraved. > > Coppola was using that piece to mock the war. Coppola's father was a > professional musician and composer. The very *idea* that there can be such a thing as "mythical and gloriously heroic" battle reveals a great deal about the person who tries to turn *everything* into a battle. *All* forms of battle reveal nothing more than a poverty of imagination and intelligence on the part of the participants.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies
> Bhairitu asked: > > > > How do you define "real music"? > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, the non-musician said to the musician: > > I know it when I hear it. To quote someone else on this forum, "That's what I was afraid she'd say." :-) As for the non-musician's ability to "know" anything, see my previous post. :-)
