[FairfieldLife] Re: Miracles (wasTM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding 'miracles', whenever I hear that word, I think of more technologically primitive tribes, or children, looking at objects that we see as commonplace; TVs, airplanes, cellphones, etc. and declaring them as miraculous. Similarly, the 'miracles' of a Guru Dev or a Christ or a Buddha. Just depends on where we are sitting, doesn't it? And on the *value* that we assign to those who can perform miracles. If we consider them somehow linked to what's important -- enlightenment -- then it's possible to make a mental link. This guy/gal can do miracles; therefore he/she is enlightened; therefore I should do whatever he/she says. Fortunately, since I've seen a *lot* of miracles in my life, I never made that association. Miracles are just miracles; in my opinion they indicate absolutely *nothing* about the miracle-worker's state of con- sciousness or ability to help one realize enlighen- ment. Therefore they're just entertainment. But *as* entertainment, they can be really smokin'... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Miracles (wasTM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
My primary interest in Guru Dev is in finding out the historical truth about his life and teachings. However, though it is not a part of my personal belief system, I am not closed to the possibility that Guru Dev operated on a plane that gave him support in a way we might term miraculous. That is the testomony of those around him, including MMY and other devotees. My query to off_world_beings has nothing to do with belief, but in determining the source of his statements about Guru Dev's funding and lifestyle, since they contradict published biography. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So do you believe that the Jyotir Math seat was run on noting but miracles from the ether? Do you really believe that the place where Guru Dev spent his last 10+ years was built by the gods, maintained by the gods, and all the work being done their by the servants (Maharishi included - 10 years I believe), all that stuff grew on trees? Next you'll be saying that Guru Dev fed the 5,000 with a loaf and 2 fishes. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev's lifestyle, organisation and methods of gaining welfare as depicted in his published biographies (listed below), are at variants with the descriptions recently offered by 'off_world_beings'. It is particularly interesting to note the stories of Guru Dev outrightly refusing material donations to his ashram. If fact he gained the title 'Ananta Shree Vibhushit' - Adorned with Limitless Wealth - because of the mysterious way his life appeared supported in all respects. 'Shri Jyotishpeethaddharaka' by Shri Rameshwar Prasad Tiwari, 1965 - The lifestory of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati in Hindi 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing' by Prem C Pasricha, 1977 - English language 'transcreation' of Tiwari's Hindi biography 'Strange Facts About A Great Saint' by Raj R P Varma, 1980 - Personalised English language version of Tiwari's Hindi biography of Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, and quotations, translated extracts of 'Amrita-Kana' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know, Guru Dev lived in a mansion in his retirement called the Jyotir Math, with servants and massive donors from the Hindu community, as well as many volunteers (which included Maharishi fro a decade or so). OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my opinion too. His thinking was more in accordance with Guru Dev. Not quite - as I read the quotes from Guru Dev, but more etichal than what he shows these days. I think the influence of Guru Dev faded more and more as he became The Big Guru. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like in the early-early days Guru Dev's teaching was still fairly fresh in his awareness, but that the freshness diminished as time passed, to the point where he now represents a teaching quite alien to that of Guru Dev's. That is the corrupting force of materialism, which he appears not to have been a match for. Just my opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contact MUM about the nearest World Peace Palace. You can take out a low-interest student loan to learn TM, and I would guess, to learn an advanced technique as well... * The loan to learn TM is not low-interest (the Citibank Citiassist loan is prime rate plus points, instead of less than prime rate like Stafford govt-guaranteed loans), because it is not a government- guaranteed/subsidized loan, but a private student loan that either requires good credit or a co-signer -- it's the same loan that MUM students in the Computer Professional program get: http://www.mum.edu/compro/citiassist.html for MUM students who are foreign nationals, Iowa banks give a loan (guaranteed by MUM itself): http://www.mum.edu/compro/financial.html#cploan I think you people are missing the point, big-time. The very fact that someone should have to take out a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And the organization that places the people of the world in that position are the criminals.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Miracles (wasTM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
I'd always wondered about the claims Cencker makes about SBS using siddhis in public, i.e. lighting ritual fires with a glance. Are there other public demonstrations that were observed? Who is the source on these (other than the priests of Badrinath, whom I believe he mentions)?On Jan 6, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:My primary interest in Guru Dev is in finding out the historical truth about his life and teachings. However, though it is not a part of my personal belief system, I am not closed to the possibility that Guru Dev operated on a plane that gave him support in a way we might term miraculous. That is the testomony of those around him, including MMY and other devotees. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Miracles (wasTM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My primary interest in Guru Dev is in finding out the historical truth about his life and teachings. However, though it is not a part of my personal belief system, I am not closed to the possibility that Guru Dev operated on a plane that gave him support in a way we might term miraculous. That is the testomony of those around him, including MMY and other devotees. My query to off_world_beings has nothing to do with belief, but in determining the source of his statements about Guru Dev's funding and lifestyle, since they contradict published biography. snip Regarding 'miracles', whenever I hear that word, I think of more technologically primitive tribes, or children, looking at objects that we see as commonplace; TVs, airplanes, cellphones, etc. and declaring them as miraculous. Similarly, the 'miracles' of a Guru Dev or a Christ or a Buddha. Just depends on where we are sitting, doesn't it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
