Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 .
 
 The simple conclusion, as people understand the degree of statistical import 
now of the science on the Meissner-like beneficial effect from meditation there 
comes a community duty to others to meditate regularly and to meditate in 
groups.  It is time.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “12 published, peer-reviewed articles on violence prevention through the TM 
and TM-sidhi program have put hard-to-ignore numbers on something that 
otherwise might seem like an exercise in wishful thinking."
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “..There is a 3 in 10,000 trillion probability that the reductions in the 
homicide rate could simply be due to chance.”
 

 It only takes what?  Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same 
place at the same time doing ™ and the ™-sidhi program.
 

 New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in 
replication) how meditation can change the world for the better.  -FF Weekly 
Reader
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ‘ ..the ‘Not everyone agrees’ defense against correlations of science:  “We 
don’t know..it is only probability, ‘correlation is not causation’, it is not 
certain, therefore it may not exist and it would cost too much to implement or 
make any change in public policy, better we should not do anything until we 
know for certain, we should even stonewall the correlation, fire the messengers 
if they get too far with this!’  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Brilliant and a fine extension of the scientific process (discourse). Thanks. 
I will forward a link to this to higher authorities for their review. 

 yifuxero writes:
 Let's review some hypotheses and assumptions.
 

 1. In regard to "modern" scientific inquiry, we may be in agreement  that such 
methodologies are quite limited in scope, since there are vast bodies of 
phenomena beginning with simple psychic experiences that most people "believe" 
are true based on subjective experiences and the testimonials of others. This 
body of "unproved" phenomena extends into such areas as crop circles, alien 
appearances and abductions, cattle mutilations, Big Foot sightings, etc, and 
ultimately, the ME.
 ...
 2. Most profoundly and of great importance, is the nature of Gnosis 
(Self-knowledge of the Atman leading to complete Brahman realization). We can 
go back to the early Gnostics to see how this as a Movement gradually gave way 
to Dualistic dogmatic religion.  In the 20-th century prior to WWII, there were 
minor revivals such as the "I AM Movement".  After WWII, we have Yogananda, 
Kirpal Sing, Eckankar,, etc; but most important, MMY.
 Ultimately, we come across (through subjective experience,) the Self - Purusha 
and find a true Paradox:
 The Self (Purusha) is indeed "experiential" but purely so, and as such, is not 
by It's very nature objectively provable or demonstrable to others.
 Thus, in terms of the ongoing evolutionary development of mankind (Cf. MMY, 
Eckart Tolle, and others); the hypothesis has been promulgated that the long 
term "Salvation" of individuals and of mankind is innately connected to Gnosis, 
rather than the dogma of belief systems and dualistic religions.
 Thus, the only way to "prove" Purusha is to experience It for yourself; and a 
tipping point in evolution will occur when vast numbers of people simply 
"overpower": those endowed with dualistic perception alone. This is the 
hypothesis of Tolle's "Heaven on Earth" concept.  When large numbers of people 
are Self-aware, such Gnosis will simply take it for granted as being an 
intrinsic part of life, having no need for "modern science" to prove It's 
existence as the basis of reality.
 

 3. OTOH, the ME is a SHAKTI-basic phenomena.  Among those practicing TM for 
any significant length of time, a type of perception awakens in which Shakti as 
a subtle type of energy creeps into overall awareness, with a "Shakti-meter", 
allowing people to discriminate between various people and places radiating 
that Energy.  In a sense, Shakti can be considered a subtle type of "field". 
Thus, the TMO's use of the term would be appropriate.
 

 4. Unfortunately, at this state of modern scientific inquiry, there's no 
empirical evidence for the existence of
 . higher dimensions beyond our materialistic, naturalistic world.  The fact 
that may people have experienced contact with Angels, the dead, and 
interdimensional phenomena is a moot point. Such personal testimonies maketh 
not what's acceptable as "science". If this were the case, nut cases claiming 
Alien abductions and others such as Scientologists AND the TMO would (and 
have!) attempted to make a spurious and dishonest claim for their own versions 
of what "should" be the true post-modern science.
 

 5. Factually, we are dealing with MODERN scientific methods, not such 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Long before ‘science’ has come along now to know it the founding Quakers were 
experienced in the Meissner-like ‘field effect’ of their silent group meetings, 
in method. Jai Guru George Fox. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The simple conclusion, as people understand the degree of statistical import 
now of the science on the Meissner-like beneficial effect from meditation there 
comes a community duty to others to meditate regularly and to meditate in 
groups.  It is time.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “12 published, peer-reviewed articles on violence prevention through the TM 
and TM-sidhi program have put hard-to-ignore numbers on something that 
otherwise might seem like an exercise in wishful thinking."
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “..There is a 3 in 10,000 trillion probability that the reductions in the 
homicide rate could simply be due to chance.”
 

 It only takes what?  Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same 
place at the same time doing ™ and the ™-sidhi program.
 

 New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in 
replication) how meditation can change the world for the better.  -FF Weekly 
Reader
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ‘ ..the ‘Not everyone agrees’ defense against correlations of science:  “We 
don’t know..it is only probability, ‘correlation is not causation’, it is not 
certain, therefore it may not exist and it would cost too much to implement or 
make any change in public policy, better we should not do anything until we 
know for certain, we should even stonewall the correlation, fire the messengers 
if they get too far with this!’  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Brilliant and a fine extension of the scientific process (discourse). Thanks. 
I will forward a link to this to higher authorities for their review. 

 yifuxero writes:
 Let's review some hypotheses and assumptions.
 

 1. In regard to "modern" scientific inquiry, we may be in agreement  that such 
methodologies are quite limited in scope, since there are vast bodies of 
phenomena beginning with simple psychic experiences that most people "believe" 
are true based on subjective experiences and the testimonials of others. This 
body of "unproved" phenomena extends into such areas as crop circles, alien 
appearances and abductions, cattle mutilations, Big Foot sightings, etc, and 
ultimately, the ME.
 ...
 2. Most profoundly and of great importance, is the nature of Gnosis 
(Self-knowledge of the Atman leading to complete Brahman realization). We can 
go back to the early Gnostics to see how this as a Movement gradually gave way 
to Dualistic dogmatic religion.  In the 20-th century prior to WWII, there were 
minor revivals such as the "I AM Movement".  After WWII, we have Yogananda, 
Kirpal Sing, Eckankar,, etc; but most important, MMY.
 Ultimately, we come across (through subjective experience,) the Self - Purusha 
and find a true Paradox:
 The Self (Purusha) is indeed "experiential" but purely so, and as such, is not 
by It's very nature objectively provable or demonstrable to others.
 Thus, in terms of the ongoing evolutionary development of mankind (Cf. MMY, 
Eckart Tolle, and others); the hypothesis has been promulgated that the long 
term "Salvation" of individuals and of mankind is innately connected to Gnosis, 
rather than the dogma of belief systems and dualistic religions.
 Thus, the only way to "prove" Purusha is to experience It for yourself; and a 
tipping point in evolution will occur when vast numbers of people simply 
"overpower": those endowed with dualistic perception alone. This is the 
hypothesis of Tolle's "Heaven on Earth" concept.  When large numbers of people 
are Self-aware, such Gnosis will simply take it for granted as being an 
intrinsic part of life, having no need for "modern science" to prove It's 
existence as the basis of reality.
 

 3. OTOH, the ME is a SHAKTI-basic phenomena.  Among those practicing TM for 
any significant length of time, a type of perception awakens in which Shakti as 
a subtle type of energy creeps into overall awareness, with a "Shakti-meter", 
allowing people to discriminate between various people and places radiating 
that Energy.  In a sense, Shakti can be considered a subtle type of "field". 
Thus, the TMO's use of the term would be appropriate.
 

 4. Unfortunately, at this state of modern scientific inquiry, there's no 
empirical evidence for the existence of
 . higher dimensions beyond our materialistic, naturalistic world.  The fact 
that may people have experienced contact with Angels, the dead, and 
interdimensional phenomena is a moot point. Such personal testimonies maketh 
not what's acceptable as "science". If this were the case, nut cases claiming 
Alien abductions and 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The simple conclusion, as people understand the degree of statistical import 
now of the science on the Meissner-like beneficial effect from meditation there 
comes a community duty to others to meditate regularly and to meditate in 
groups.  It is time.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “12 published, peer-reviewed articles on violence prevention through the TM 
and TM-sidhi program have put hard-to-ignore numbers on something that 
otherwise might seem like an exercise in wishful thinking."
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “..There is a 3 in 10,000 trillion probability that the reductions in the 
homicide rate could simply be due to chance.”
 

 It only takes what?  Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same 
place at the same time doing ™ and the ™-sidhi program.
 

 New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in 
replication) how meditation can change the world for the better.  -FF Weekly 
Reader
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ‘ ..the ‘Not everyone agrees’ defense against correlations of science:  “We 
don’t know..it is only probability, ‘correlation is not causation’, it is not 
certain, therefore it may not exist and it would cost too much to implement or 
make any change in public policy, better we should not do anything until we 
know for certain, we should even stonewall the correlation, fire the messengers 
if they get too far with this!’  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Brilliant and a fine extension of the scientific process (discourse). Thanks. 
I will forward a link to this to higher authorities for their review. 

 yifuxero writes:
 Let's review some hypotheses and assumptions.
 

 1. In regard to "modern" scientific inquiry, we may be in agreement  that such 
methodologies are quite limited in scope, since there are vast bodies of 
phenomena beginning with simple psychic experiences that most people "believe" 
are true based on subjective experiences and the testimonials of others. This 
body of "unproved" phenomena extends into such areas as crop circles, alien 
appearances and abductions, cattle mutilations, Big Foot sightings, etc, and 
ultimately, the ME.
 ...
 2. Most profoundly and of great importance, is the nature of Gnosis 
(Self-knowledge of the Atman leading to complete Brahman realization). We can 
go back to the early Gnostics to see how this as a Movement gradually gave way 
to Dualistic dogmatic religion.  In the 20-th century prior to WWII, there were 
minor revivals such as the "I AM Movement".  After WWII, we have Yogananda, 
Kirpal Sing, Eckankar,, etc; but most important, MMY.
 Ultimately, we come across (through subjective experience,) the Self - Purusha 
and find a true Paradox:
 The Self (Purusha) is indeed "experiential" but purely so, and as such, is not 
by It's very nature objectively provable or demonstrable to others.
 Thus, in terms of the ongoing evolutionary development of mankind (Cf. MMY, 
Eckart Tolle, and others); the hypothesis has been promulgated that the long 
term "Salvation" of individuals and of mankind is innately connected to Gnosis, 
rather than the dogma of belief systems and dualistic religions.
 Thus, the only way to "prove" Purusha is to experience It for yourself; and a 
tipping point in evolution will occur when vast numbers of people simply 
"overpower": those endowed with dualistic perception alone. This is the 
hypothesis of Tolle's "Heaven on Earth" concept.  When large numbers of people 
are Self-aware, such Gnosis will simply take it for granted as being an 
intrinsic part of life, having no need for "modern science" to prove It's 
existence as the basis of reality.
 

 3. OTOH, the ME is a SHAKTI-basic phenomena.  Among those practicing TM for 
any significant length of time, a type of perception awakens in which Shakti as 
a subtle type of energy creeps into overall awareness, with a "Shakti-meter", 
allowing people to discriminate between various people and places radiating 
that Energy.  In a sense, Shakti can be considered a subtle type of "field". 
Thus, the TMO's use of the term would be appropriate.
 

 4. Unfortunately, at this state of modern scientific inquiry, there's no 
empirical evidence for the existence of
 . higher dimensions beyond our materialistic, naturalistic world.  The fact 
that may people have experienced contact with Angels, the dead, and 
interdimensional phenomena is a moot point. Such personal testimonies maketh 
not what's acceptable as "science". If this were the case, nut cases claiming 
Alien abductions and others such as Scientologists AND the TMO would (and 
have!) attempted to make a spurious and dishonest claim for their own versions 
of what "should" be the true post-modern science.
 

 5. Factually, we are dealing with MODERN scientific methods, not such 
futuristic 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

“12 published, peer-reviewed articles on violence prevention through the TM and 
TM-sidhi program have put hard-to-ignore numbers on something that otherwise 
might seem like an exercise in wishful thinking."
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “..There is a 3 in 10,000 trillion probability that the reductions in the 
homicide rate could simply be due to chance.”
 

 It only takes what?  Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same 
place at the same time doing ™ and the ™-sidhi program.
 

 New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in 
replication) how meditation can change the world for the better.  -FF Weekly 
Reader
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ‘ ..the ‘Not everyone agrees’ defense against correlations of science:  “We 
don’t know..it is only probability, ‘correlation is not causation’, it is not 
certain, therefore it may not exist and it would cost too much to implement or 
make any change in public policy, better we should not do anything until we 
know for certain, we should even stonewall the correlation, fire the messengers 
if they get too far with this!’  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Brilliant and a fine extension of the scientific process (discourse). Thanks. 
I will forward a link to this to higher authorities for their review. 

 yifuxero writes:
 Let's review some hypotheses and assumptions.
 

 1. In regard to "modern" scientific inquiry, we may be in agreement  that such 
methodologies are quite limited in scope, since there are vast bodies of 
phenomena beginning with simple psychic experiences that most people "believe" 
are true based on subjective experiences and the testimonials of others. This 
body of "unproved" phenomena extends into such areas as crop circles, alien 
appearances and abductions, cattle mutilations, Big Foot sightings, etc, and 
ultimately, the ME.
 ...
 2. Most profoundly and of great importance, is the nature of Gnosis 
(Self-knowledge of the Atman leading to complete Brahman realization). We can 
go back to the early Gnostics to see how this as a Movement gradually gave way 
to Dualistic dogmatic religion.  In the 20-th century prior to WWII, there were 
minor revivals such as the "I AM Movement".  After WWII, we have Yogananda, 
Kirpal Sing, Eckankar,, etc; but most important, MMY.
 Ultimately, we come across (through subjective experience,) the Self - Purusha 
and find a true Paradox:
 The Self (Purusha) is indeed "experiential" but purely so, and as such, is not 
by It's very nature objectively provable or demonstrable to others.
 Thus, in terms of the ongoing evolutionary development of mankind (Cf. MMY, 
Eckart Tolle, and others); the hypothesis has been promulgated that the long 
term "Salvation" of individuals and of mankind is innately connected to Gnosis, 
rather than the dogma of belief systems and dualistic religions.
 Thus, the only way to "prove" Purusha is to experience It for yourself; and a 
tipping point in evolution will occur when vast numbers of people simply 
"overpower": those endowed with dualistic perception alone. This is the 
hypothesis of Tolle's "Heaven on Earth" concept.  When large numbers of people 
are Self-aware, such Gnosis will simply take it for granted as being an 
intrinsic part of life, having no need for "modern science" to prove It's 
existence as the basis of reality.
 

 3. OTOH, the ME is a SHAKTI-basic phenomena.  Among those practicing TM for 
any significant length of time, a type of perception awakens in which Shakti as 
a subtle type of energy creeps into overall awareness, with a "Shakti-meter", 
allowing people to discriminate between various people and places radiating 
that Energy.  In a sense, Shakti can be considered a subtle type of "field". 
Thus, the TMO's use of the term would be appropriate.
 

 4. Unfortunately, at this state of modern scientific inquiry, there's no 
empirical evidence for the existence of
 . higher dimensions beyond our materialistic, naturalistic world.  The fact 
that may people have experienced contact with Angels, the dead, and 
interdimensional phenomena is a moot point. Such personal testimonies maketh 
not what's acceptable as "science". If this were the case, nut cases claiming 
Alien abductions and others such as Scientologists AND the TMO would (and 
have!) attempted to make a spurious and dishonest claim for their own versions 
of what "should" be the true post-modern science.
 

 5. Factually, we are dealing with MODERN scientific methods, not such 
futuristic model of what science "should" be like. If that were not the case, 
the TMO would (and does), have their own make-believe version of science, the 
Scientologists theirs, and the UFO-ologists theirs..  Do I "believe" in the 
existence of Angels, interdimensional entities, and Aliens, as well as very 
common psychic experiences.  Yes!  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What was the procedure used to eliminate all other possible influences, both 
subtle and mundane; and what procedure was used to quantify the levels of 
Shakti generated by countless groups that could have contributed to the 
effects?  How about the undesirable stats such as increased opioid addition and 
heroin deaths and the thousands of dead people in Syra.  Also, the starving 
people in Somalia.? Sounds like a case of selection bias. Again for the 
umpteenth time, correlation is not causation.
 Thanks, Shalom
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

ch evidence an be provided, the 
proponents of such "field" effects have no foundation for their claims.
 WIKIPEDIA:.
  Robert L. Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Park, research 
professor and former chair of the Physics Department at the University of 
Maryland, called the study a "clinic in data distortion".[14] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagelin#cite_note-Park2000pp29-31-14 In 1994 
a science satire magazine, Annals of Improbable Research 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annals_of_Improbable_Research, "awarded" Hagelin 
the Ig Nobel Prize https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ig_Nobel_Prize for Peace, "for 
his experimental conclusion that 4,000 trained meditators caused an 18 percent 
decrease in violent crime in Washington, D.C."[34] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagelin#cite_note-34[35] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagelin#cite_note-35
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 In defense of the research it is said,
 “..in order to be published in a leading independent scientific research 
journal, our papers are subject to a rigorous review process by non-meditating 
scholars, most of whom are highly skeptical of our theory, and who intensively 
review our research and methods to insure that they meet the highest standard 
of research quality.  Only a very small proportion of all scientific research 
of any kind is done well enough to be accepted into leading peer-reviewed 
journals.”

"..Many people have many opinions on how to improve things-- better policing, 
healthier economies, more guns, less guns, etc. But all these interventions are 
hard to agree on or hard to implement.”  -Article published in the FF Weekly 
Reader 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 The dispute seems mainly to be over how science works.
 One could wonder about some of the skepticism given out on the internet, given 
some nature of some personal narrative of a hurt with the meditating movement  
or personal ideologies of some of the people who are in categorical vehemence 
against meditation and ™ in particular, if they could read this research with 
objectivity.  

 “The more critical  reason dominates, the more impoverished life becomes.. 
Overvalued reason has this in common with political absolutism: under its 
dominion, the individual is pauperized.” -Carl Gustav Jung
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 

 In context these papers being published are movement ahead just doing the 
science evidently disputing the old saws of criticism. As painful as this 
current science seems to be for some of the skeptical, evidently for different 
reasons, the ‘replications’ and statistical p-value significance of this 
science are in fact noteworthy interesting science process in the postmodern.   

 That's the problem: There's zero "controlled testing".  Just another feeble 
attempt to prove the ME (The Maharishi - Effect, now called the Meissner-like 
effect.. I'm not saying there's no ME.  It's simply beyond the capacity of 
modern science to measure it objectively. Correlation is not causation.  How 
many times do people need to repeat that?

 Yes, more controlled study is certainly needed to to drill down into 
understanding the Meissner-like effect mechanism of meditation.  Healthy 
skepticism of the correlation hardly negates the certainty of the published 
research. 


 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Thanks. If one or other of the authors is still at MUM maybe you could contact 
them. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 
   Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a 
similar level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats.   
 

 The 'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate 
as statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics 
who may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it 
seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly 
available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to 
read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth 
about ™.  They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I 
run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 .. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the 
domes?
 

 It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

.
 Personally, I highly recommend doing such things a Yagyas, pujas, group 
meditations, etc; since
 a. I perceive that such performances and rituals radiate Shakti, which can be 
perceived through human physiology.
 b. Such activities have life-supporting effects, so therefore doing more of 
the same would benefit humanity, and has in UNKNOWN ways since karma is 
unfathomable.
 However,
 a. as already pointed out, presenting arguments based on faulty science in an 
attempt to "prove" certain effects have taken place such as lower automobile 
deaths or whatever; is simply unachievable in the context of modern science.
 b. Again, there is no scientific method available apart from subjective human 
perceptions of demonstrating the existence of subtle Shakti to others. This 
would be basically on the same level as attempting to prove the existence of 
higher dimensions.  Such dimensions are hypothesized in the context of string 
theory but as yet there's no evidence for such dimensions.
 c. The effects can't be isolated (say automobile deaths), and neither can the 
causes, since there are countless sources of Shakti in the world influencing 
events continuously.  A scientific study would require that these cause be 
isolated out, measured, and eliminated as possible causes.  Given the countless 
number of Pun dits in India doing pujas, yagyas, as well as householders doing 
pujas every day, one would have to measure these influences and that's 
impossible.
 d. The simplest way to prove the ME would be to first devise a machine that 
can detect Shakti.  Set it up outside or inside the Domes, and measure the 
influence in some units analogous to those in various branches of physics, say 
Watts or Joules.  Next, set up the machine in a control area, perhaps the 
police station, and measure the Shakti as a control.
 

 To conclude, the MUM papers on the ME are complete rubbish since a. no 
controls. b. competing influences are not identified and culled out. c. the 
measurement problem: there is no machine or device outside of the human nervous 
system that can detect and measure the subtle Shakti.  If anything has been 
published so far in any physics journal attesting the existence of such subtle 
Shakti energy, let's see the reference.
 The fact that one cannot prove the existence of the ME or even present the 
case in the context of modern science should not dissuade people from doing it. 
 I agree that the ME has beneficial effects, but such effects can't be 
scientifically measured
 To those promoting group meditation, Yagyas, chanting of mantras, pujas, and 
even ordinary prayers, keep up the good work. You are doing a great service to 
mankind, but are diminishing the credibility of such Sattvic activities by 
claiming that the causes and results are within the domain of scientific 
inquiry.  I agree that modern scientific inquiry is limited in scope, but there 
as yet is no post-modern set of scientific methods. 
 It's fine if one says "the ME has been confirmed by our own post-modern set of 
ad hoc rules"; but not the rules of modern physicists.
 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

only takes what? Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same 
place at the same time doing TM and the TM-sidhi program.

 New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in 
replication) how meditation can change the world for the better.  -FF Weekly 
Reader
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Thanks. If one or other of the authors is still at MUM maybe you could contact 
them. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 
   Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a 
similar level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats.   
 

 The 'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate 
as statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics 
who may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it 
seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly 
available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to 
read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth 
about ™.  They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I 
run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 .. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the 
domes?
 

 It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the 
stated effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible 
such as safer cars.
 

 The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle 
fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles 
traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle 
safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption."
 

 But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were 
arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not 
just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper?
 

 The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for 
the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation.
 

 There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is 
something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top 
Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while 
the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, 
though some journals rank 0. 
 

 Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 
and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. 
 

 These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in 
this consciousness journal, that fewer scenentists are interested in stuff 
published here. If you are a scientist, not very good, and want to be 
published, then you look for lower ranked journals to try to get published.
 

 The journal wants almost $30 for a PDF of the full paper, which is only 
summarized by the PDF posted here. 
 

 Does one of the scientists have a copy they could send you which you could 
post? They usually have these things on hand.
 

 The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta 
Connect 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2017/0024/F0020001/art3

 

 The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingen... 
By Cavanaugh, K.L. 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2017/0024/F0020001/art3
 

 Another point, Scientific Journals are not Scripture.
 

 But continue to meditate. The byproducts of meditation, whatever they are, are 
not as important as enlightenment.


 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published

 
   
 Observations and correlations about meditation and well-being were made 
throughout the last half of the 20th Century in published pilot research.  A 
rightly skeptical criticism of that body of scientific research conducted has 
been that much which was substantial was without “replication”.  
 

 The challenge in 'repetition' from a general decline in the teaching of 
meditation to new practitioners and the separation of many experienced 
practitioners from organized group practice of group meditations in the 1990’s 
and 2000’s was then obtaining repetition in that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Doug, you;'re in a state of denial.  Let's review some hypotheses and 
assumptions.
 

 1. In regard to "modern" scientific inquiry, we may be in agreement  that such 
methodologies are quite limited in scope, since there are vast bodies of 
phenomena beginning with simple psychic experiences that most people "believe" 
are true based on subjective experiences and the testimonials of others. This 
body of "unproved" phenomena extends into such areas as crop circles, alien 
appearances and abductions, cattle mutilations, Big Foot sightings, etc, and 
ultimately, the ME.
 ...
 2. Most profoundly and of great importance, is the nature of Gnosis 
(Self-knowledge of the Atman leading to complete Brahman realization). We can 
go back to the early Gnostics to see how this as a Movement gradually gave way 
to Dualistic dogmatic religion.  In the 20-th century prior to WWII, there were 
minor revivals such as the "I AM Movement".  After WWII, we have Yogananda, 
Kirpal Sing, Eckankar,, etc; but most important, MMY.
 Ultimately, we come across (through subjective experience,) the Self - Purusha 
and find a true Paradox:
 The Self (Purusha) is indeed "experiential" but purely so, and as such, is not 
by It's very nature objectively provable or demonstrable to others.
 Thus, in terms of the ongoing evolutionary development of mankind (Cf. MMY, 
Eckart Tolle, and others); the hypothesis has been promulgated that the long 
term "Salvation" of individuals and of mankind is innately connected to Gnosis, 
rather than the dogma of belief systems and dualistic religions.
 Thus, the only way to "prove" Purusha is to experience It for yourself; and a 
tipping point in evolution will occur when vast numbers of people simply 
"overpower": those endowed with dualistic perception alone. This is the 
hypothesis of Tolle's "Heaven on Earth" concept.  When large numbers of people 
are Self-aware, such Gnosis will simply take it for granted as being an 
intrinsic part of life, having no need for "modern science" to prove It's 
existence as the basis of reality.
 

 3. OTOH, the ME is a SHAKTI-basic phenomena.  Among those practicing TM for 
any significant length of time, a type of perception awakens in which Shakti as 
a subtle type of energy creeps into overall awareness, with a "Shakti-meter", 
allowing people to discriminate between various people and places radiating 
that Energy.  In a sense, Shakti can be considered a subtle type of "field". 
Thus, the TMO's use of the term would be appropriate.
 

 4. Unfortunately, at this state of modern scientific inquiry, there's no 
empirical evidence for the existence of 
 . higher dimensions beyond our materialistic, naturalistic world.  The fact 
that may people have experienced contact with Angels, the dead, and 
interdimensional phenomena is a moot point. Such personal testimonies maketh 
not what's acceptable as "science". If this were the case, nut cases claiming 
Alien abductions and others such as Scientologists AND the TMO would (and 
have!) attempted to make a spurious and dishonest claim for their own versions 
of what "should" be the true post-modern science.
 

 5. Factually, we are dealing with MODERN scientific methods, not such 
futuristic model of what science "should" be like. If that were not the case, 
the TMO would (and does), have their own make-believe version of science, the 
Scientologists theirs, and the UFO-ologists theirs..  Do I "believe" in the 
existence of Angels, interdimensional entities, and Aliens, as well as very 
common psychic experiences.  Yes!  But all such beliefs are moot.  There must 
be agreed-upon ground rules for exchanging information that conforms to 
accepted "rules" of science.  Do I "believe" that the ME exists?  Yes, but .
 

 6. There's no objective way in modern science to measure the magnitude and 
range of  the ME; and indeed, there's no SCIENTIFIC evidence for the existence 
of Shakti.  This fact alone invalidates all of the MUM research involving the 
ME, since the ME is a Shakti-effect, NOT an actual Meissner-effect.  The 
Meissner effect involves a real, observable form of material Shakti.  The ME is 
based on an ONOBSERVABLE (but feelable) form of Shakti not even recognized to 
exist by modern science.  Beyond this fact alone, all other considerations such 
as data analysis become secondary. Since the TMO can't prove the existence of 
the subtle Shakti, the whole hypothesis of ME becomes completely unsupportable
 

 7. The MUM work fails to have adequate controls.  The results are not a binary 
choice between such effects and "random" possibilities, but rather the 
influence of the SHAKTI vs other possible influences.  Anybody can with equally 
(and nonsensical) validity - claim that such effects were due to Benjamin 
Creme's "Maitreya" or perhaps the Scientology God.  Due to the unfathomable 
nature of karma, it's not possible to isolate individual effects from the 
complete Totality of existence.  The causes likewise 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

In defense of the research it is said,
 “..in order to be published in a leading independent scientific research 
journal, our papers are subject to a rigorous review process by non-meditating 
scholars, most of whom are highly skeptical of our theory, and who intensively 
review our research and methods to insure that they meet the highest standard 
of research quality.  Only a very small proportion of all scientific research 
of any kind is done well enough to be accepted into leading peer-reviewed 
journals.”

"..Many people have many opinions on how to improve things-- better policing, 
healthier economies, more guns, less guns, etc. But all these interventions are 
hard to agree on or hard to implement.”  -Article published in the FF Weekly 
Reader 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 
 The dispute seems mainly to be over how science works.
 One could wonder about some of the skepticism given out on the internet, given 
some nature of some personal narrative of a hurt with the meditating movement  
or personal ideologies of some of the people who are in categorical vehemence 
against meditation and ™ in particular, if they could read this research with 
objectivity.  

 “The more critical  reason dominates, the more impoverished life becomes.. 
Overvalued reason has this in common with political absolutism: under its 
dominion, the individual is pauperized.” -Carl Gustav Jung
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 

 In context these papers being published are movement ahead just doing the 
science evidently disputing the old saws of criticism. As painful as this 
current science seems to be for some of the skeptical, evidently for different 
reasons, the ‘replications’ and statistical p-value significance of this 
science are in fact noteworthy interesting science process in the postmodern.   

 That's the problem: There's zero "controlled testing".  Just another feeble 
attempt to prove the ME (The Maharishi - Effect, now called the Meissner-like 
effect.. I'm not saying there's no ME.  It's simply beyond the capacity of 
modern science to measure it objectively. Correlation is not causation.  How 
many times do people need to repeat that?

 Yes, more controlled study is certainly needed to to drill down into 
understanding the Meissner-like effect mechanism of meditation.  Healthy 
skepticism of the correlation hardly negates the certainty of the published 
research. 


 
 “..There is a 3 in 10,000 trillion probability that the reductions in the 
homicide rate could simply be due to chance.”

 It only takes what? Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same 
place at the same time doing TM and the TM-sidhi program.

 New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in 
replication) how meditation can change the world for the better.  -FF Weekly 
Reader
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Thanks. If one or other of the authors is still at MUM maybe you could contact 
them. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 
   Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a 
similar level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats.   
 

 The 'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate 
as statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics 
who may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it 
seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly 
available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to 
read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth 
about ™.  They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I 
run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 .. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the 
domes?
 

 It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the 
stated effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible 
such as safer cars.
 

 The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle 
fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles 
traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle 
safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption."
 

 But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were 
arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative expla

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 The dispute seems mainly to be over how science works.
 One could wonder about some of the skepticism given out on the internet, given 
some nature of some personal narrative of a hurt with the meditating movement  
or personal ideologies of some of the people who are in categorical vehemence 
against meditation and ™ in particular, if they could read this research with 
objectivity.  

 “The more critical  reason dominates, the more impoverished life becomes.. 
Overvalued reason has this in common with political absolutism: under its 
dominion, the individual is pauperized.” -Carl Gustav Jung
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 

 In context these papers being published are movement ahead just doing the 
science evidently disputing the old saws of criticism. As painful as this 
current science seems to be for some of the skeptical, evidently for different 
reasons, the ‘replications’ and statistical p-value significance of this 
science are in fact noteworthy interesting science process in the postmodern.   

 That's the problem: There's zero "controlled testing".  Just another feeble 
attempt to prove the ME (The Maharishi - Effect, now called the Meissner-like 
effect.. I'm not saying there's no ME.  It's simply beyond the capacity of 
modern science to measure it objectively. Correlation is not causation.  How 
many times do people need to repeat that?

 Yes, more controlled study is certainly needed to to drill down into 
understanding the Meissner-like effect mechanism of meditation.  Healthy 
skepticism of the correlation hardly negates the certainty of the published 
research. 


 
 “..There is a 3 in 10,000 trillion probability that the reductions in the 
homicide rate could simply be due to chance.”

 It only takes what? Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same 
place at the same time doing TM and the TM-sidhi program.

 New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in 
replication) how meditation can change the world for the better.  -FF Weekly 
Reader
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Thanks. If one or other of the authors is still at MUM maybe you could contact 
them. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 
   Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a 
similar level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats.   
 

 The 'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate 
as statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics 
who may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it 
seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly 
available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to 
read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth 
about ™.  They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I 
run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 .. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the 
domes?
 

 It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the 
stated effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible 
such as safer cars.
 

 The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle 
fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles 
traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle 
safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption."
 

 But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were 
arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not 
just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper?
 

 The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for 
the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation.
 

 There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is 
something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top 
Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while 
the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, 
though some journals rank 0. 
 

 Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 
and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. 
 

 These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in 
this consciousness journal, that fewer scene

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 In context these papers being published are movement ahead just doing the 
science evidently disputing the old saws of criticism. As painful as this 
current science seems to be for the skeptical, evidently for different reasons, 
the ‘replications’ and statistical p-value significance of this science are in 
fact noteworthy interesting science process in the postmodern.   

 That's the problem: There's zero "controlled testing".  Just another feeble 
attempt to prove the ME (The Maharishi - Effect, now called the Meissner-like 
effect.. I'm not saying there's no ME.  It's simply beyond the capacity of 
modern science to measure it objectively. Correlation is not causation.  How 
many times do people need to repeat that?

 Yes, more controlled study is certainly needed to to drill down into 
understanding the Meissner-like effect mechanism of meditation.  Healthy 
skepticism of the correlation hardly negates the certainty of the published 
research. 


 
 “..There is a 3 in 10,000 trillion probability that the reductions in the 
homicide rate could simply be due to chance.”

 It only takes what? Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same 
place at the same time doing TM and the TM-sidhi program.

 New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in 
replication) how meditation can change the world for the better.  -FF Weekly 
Reader
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Thanks. If one or other of the authors is still at MUM maybe you could contact 
them. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 
   Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a 
similar level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats.   
 

 The 'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate 
as statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics 
who may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it 
seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly 
available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to 
read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth 
about ™.  They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I 
run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 .. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the 
domes?
 

 It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the 
stated effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible 
such as safer cars.
 

 The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle 
fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles 
traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle 
safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption."
 

 But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were 
arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not 
just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper?
 

 The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for 
the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation.
 

 There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is 
something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top 
Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while 
the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, 
though some journals rank 0. 
 

 Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 
and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. 
 

 These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in 
this consciousness journal, that fewer scenentists are interested in stuff 
published here. If you are a scientist, not very good, and want to be 
published, then you look for lower ranked journals to try to get published.
 

 The journal wants almost $30 for a PDF of the full paper, which is only 
summarized by the PDF posted here. 
 

 Does one of the scientists have a copy they could send you which you could 
post? They usually have these things on hand.
 

 The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta 
Connect 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2017/0024/F0020001/art3

 

 The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingen... 
By Cavanaugh, K.L. 
http:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 The metering of Shakti.. 
 fair observation here about Shakti, that spiritual presence of life force.  

 A couple weeks ago I was at a meeting where there were about 20 new students 
who had just learned to meditate. One of them asking from their own new 
experience now how to more quickly develop this presence? Hence, the recent FFL 
thread here about ‘advice to new meditators’.  
 Yes, an experience with awe to see is the awakening that can happen while 
initiating someone in ™ as they open up to the presence of shakti. In nature.  

 Anybody meditating over a relatively short time should have developed in 
internal "Shakti meter" than enables them to discern the Shakti, especially 
when the Shakti is highly concentrated (such as the Domes perhaps).

 

 A Shakti was certainly noticeable when the Invincible America Assembly began, 
called for in 2006. Right away meditators veteran of the old meditating 
movement gathered to Fairfield from all over the world. Lebanon had fallen into 
civil war that summer. The Russians, it seemed all of Islam, the US, and Europe 
were looking at the outbreak of a world war in the Mideast. 
 The call went out for meditators to come to assembly in Fairfield, Iowa.  The 
old meditating movement assembled and there was some powerful palpable Shakti 
back in the area then. 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thx, (somebody put in "Meissner-like").  That's a good thing, since the actual 
Meissner effect is an observable electromagnetic field.
 Wasn't the "ME" previously called the "Maharishi-Effect"?  How ridiculous!
 

 But I suppose that Meissner-like is ok with the "like" qualifier; i.e. an 
unobservable Shakti effect that people can feel especially when radiated by 
certain Gurus (like Muktananda)  through "Shaktipat".
 Instead of attempting to appropriate a sense of scientific validity by using 
scientific jargon, just call it what it is:  Shakti.
 Anybody meditating over a relatively short time should have developed in 
internal "Shakti meter" than enables them to discern the Shakti, especially 
when the Shakti is highly concentrated (such as the Domes perhaps).
 Since I've never been in a Dome, I can't testify to that, but I've been in 
other places such as the 'Ramakrishna Vedanta Temple in Hollywood.
 
 On another topic, tampering with TM in an attempt to make it more "palatable" 
to those unfamiliar with it, may easily backfire.  Since, if one eliminates the 
puja in a bogus attempt to say that TM has no religious roots, a major source 
of Shakti is eliminated.
 Simply learning the mantras from a book will eliminate the Shakti altogether, 
although a small remnant may remain in certain mantras such as "OM NAMAH 
SHIVAYA"., and the Shakti may be magnified by tuning into the Youtube 
presentations of experienced Pundits chanting that and other mantras.
 SHALOM 


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Or, did the opiate addiction accelerate as the numbers meditating here 
collapsed.  

 That certainly is a hypothesis to test too using published public health data 
also. More than likely to show the inverse relationship given these other 
extremely high P values of probability from these other tests. 
 

 The 'cred' problem a while ago with the original research was there were no 
'replication' tests of the hypothesis. 'Replication' seems to be running in 
spades now against those uncomfortable with the implications. Science. 
 

 # .   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 An equally valid assertion is that groups of TM'ers meditating together have 
caused the increase in Heroin deaths.  The probability of this assertion is 
%99.9
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

An equally valid assertion is that groups of TM'ers meditating together have 
caused the increase in Heroin deaths.  The probability of this assertion is 
%99.9
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 “..There is a 3 in 10,000 trillion probability that the reductions in the 
homicide rate could simply be due to chance.”

 It only takes what? Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same 
place at the same time doing TM and the TM-sidhi program.

 New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in 
replication) how meditation can change the world for the better.  -FF Weekly 
Reader
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Thanks. If one or other of the authors is still at MUM maybe you could contact 
them. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 
   Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a 
similar level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats.   
 

 The 'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate 
as statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics 
who may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it 
seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly 
available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to 
read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth 
about ™.  They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I 
run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 .. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the 
domes?
 

 It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the 
stated effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible 
such as safer cars.
 

 The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle 
fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles 
traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle 
safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption."
 

 But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were 
arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not 
just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper?
 

 The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for 
the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation.
 

 There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is 
something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top 
Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while 
the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, 
though some journals rank 0. 
 

 Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 
and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. 
 

 These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in 
this consciousness journal, that fewer scenentists are interested in stuff 
published here. If you are a scientist, not very good, and want to be 
published, then you look for lower ranked journals to try to get published.
 

 The journal wants almost $30 for a PDF of the full paper, which is only 
summarized by the PDF posted here. 
 

 Does one of the scientists have a copy they could send you which you could 
post? They usually have these things on hand.
 

 The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta 
Connect 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2017/0024/F0020001/art3

 

 The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingen... 
By Cavanaugh, K.L. 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2017/0024/F0020001/art3
 

 Another point, Scientific Journals are not Scripture.
 

 But continue to meditate. The byproducts of meditation, whatever they are, are 
not as important as enlightenment.


 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published

 
   
 Observations and correlations about meditation and well-being were made 
throughout the last half of the 20th Century in published pilot research.  A 
rightly skeptical criticism of that body of scientific research conducted has 
been that much which was substantial was without “replication”.  
 

 The challenge in 'repetition' from a general decline in the teaching of 
meditation to new practitioners and the separation of many experienced

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks. If one or other of the authors is still at MUM maybe you could contact 
them. 

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
   
    Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a 
similar level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats.   
The 'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate 
as statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics 
who may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it 
seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly 
available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to 
read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth 
about ™.  They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I 
run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

.. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the 
domes?
It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the stated 
effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible such 
as safer cars.
The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle 
fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles 
traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle 
safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption."
But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were 
arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not 
just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper?
The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for 
the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation.
There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is 
something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top 
Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while 
the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, 
though some journals rank 0. 
Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 
and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. 
These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in 
this consciousness journal, that fewer scenentists are interested in stuff 
published here. If you are a scientist, not very good, and want to be 
published, then you look for lower ranked journals to try to get published.
The journal wants almost $30 for a PDF of the full paper, which is only 
summarized by the PDF posted here. 
Does one of the scientists have a copy they could send you which you could 
post? They usually have these things on hand.
The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta 
Connect

 
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The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingen...
By Cavanaugh, K.L. |  |

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Another point, Scientific Journals are not Scripture.
But continue to meditate. The byproducts of meditation, whatever they are, are 
not as important as enlightenment.

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 Observations and correlations about meditation and well-being were made 
throughout the last half of the 20th Century in published pilot research.  A 
rightly skeptical criticism of that body of scientific research conducted has 
been that much that was substantial was without “replication”.  The challenge 
in 'repetition' from a general decline in the teaching of meditation to new 
practitioners and the separation of many experienced practitioners from 
organized group practice of group meditations in the 1990’s and 2000’s was then 
obtaining repetition in that scope of research occurring previously in the 
1970’s and 1980’s in the shear size of those previous meditating groups to 
measure with controls.  This scale of size recurred again, occurring for a 
period of time running between 2007 and 2010.  
These published papers as hypothesis testing appear now as 'critical' 
replications in the correlation process of science. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

ArcherAngel, It would seem you could legitimately lodge your beefs on the 
research with the journal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a similar 
level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats.   The 
'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate as 
statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics who 
may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it 
seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly 
available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to 
read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth 
about ™.  They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I 
run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 .. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the 
domes?
 

 It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the 
stated effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible 
such as safer cars.
 

 The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle 
fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles 
traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle 
safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption."
 

 But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were 
arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not 
just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper?
 

 The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for 
the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation.
 

 There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is 
something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top 
Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while 
the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, 
though some journals rank 0. 
 

 Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 
and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. 
 

 These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in 
this consciousness journal, that fewer scenentists are interested in stuff 
published here. If you are a scientist, not very good, and want to be 
published, then you look for lower ranked journals to try to get published.
 

 The journal wants almost $30 for a PDF of the full paper, which is only 
summarized by the PDF posted here. 
 

 Does one of the scientists have a copy they could send you which you could 
post? They usually have these things on hand.
 

 The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta 
Connect 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2017/0024/F0020001/art3

 

 The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingen... 
By Cavanaugh, K.L. 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2017/0024/F0020001/art3
 

 Another point, Scientific Journals are not Scripture.
 

 But continue to meditate. The byproducts of meditation, whatever they are, are 
not as important as enlightenment.


 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 
   
 Observations and correlations about meditation and well-being were made 
throughout the last half of the 20th Century in published pilot research.  A 
rightly skeptical criticism of that body of scientific research conducted has 
been that much that was substantial was without “replication”.  The challenge 
in 'repetition' from a general decline in the teaching of meditation to new 
practitioners and the separation of many experienced practitioners from 
organized group practice of group meditations in the 1990’s and 2000’s was then 
obtaining repetition in that scope of research occurring previously in the 
1970’s and 1980’s in the shear size of those previous meditating groups to 
measure with controls.  This scale of size recurred again, occurring for a 
period of time running between 2007 and 2010.  

 These published papers as hypothesis testing appear now as 'critical' 
replications in the correlation process of science. 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 ArcherAngel, It would seem you could legitimately lodge your beefs on the 
research with the journals themselves and their peer review processes. It would 
be interesting to hear their responses. 
 

 You did notice and open in the original post on this topic that a pdf of the 
research wa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Sorry, Meissner effect is NOT an electromagnetic field; Wiki:
 

 The Meissner effect is the expulsion of a magnetic field 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field from a superconductor 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductor during its transition to the 
superconducting state.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Shaktipat is actually quite easy as some of the folks who learned it 
form the traveling gurus who visited Fairfield and taught it was well as 
those who went to India to learn it from another traveling show.  I 
learned from my tantra guru. However there are some qualifications for 
giving it out and avoiding depleting one's self of shakti.


As I have said before, we were taught to give out beej mantras (the "a" 
is silent in Hindi) because they don't actually require activation.  The 
puja probably helps.  Some people might not get results but even with 
the puja some people did not get results.  I also know someone who got 
shaktipat and the Shiva mantra at a Muktananda SYDA center and had no 
results. He was even from a spiritual family (parents were 
Rosicrucian).  So mileage may vary.


TM didn't keep up with the times.  Back in the 1960s folks were used to 
going to courses in evenings (starting a 8 PM not 6 PM). But nowadays a 
simpler weekend course should suffice which what other paths do.


On 03/02/2017 04:40 PM, yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Thx, (somebody put in "Meissner-like").  That's a good thing, since 
the actual Meissner effect is an observable electromagnetic field.


Wasn't the "ME" previously called the "Maharishi-Effect"?  How ridiculous!

But I suppose that Meissner-like is ok with the "like" qualifier; i.e. 
an unobservable Shakti effect that people can feel especially when 
radiated by certain Gurus (like Muktananda)  through "Shaktipat".


Instead of attempting to appropriate a sense of scientific validity by 
using scientific jargon, just call it what it is:  Shakti.


Anybody meditating over a relatively short time should have developed 
in internal "Shakti meter" than enables them to discern the Shakti, 
especially when the Shakti is highly concentrated (such as the Domes 
perhaps).


Since I've never been in a Dome, I can't testify to that, but I've 
been in other places such as the 'Ramakrishna Vedanta Temple in Hollywood.




On another topic, tampering with TM in an attempt to make it more 
"palatable" to those unfamiliar with it, may easily backfire.  Since, 
if one eliminates the puja in a bogus attempt to say that TM has no 
religious roots, a major source of Shakti is eliminated.


Simply learning the mantras from a book will eliminate the Shakti 
altogether, although a small remnant may remain in certain mantras 
such as "OM NAMAH SHIVAYA"., and the Shakti may be magnified by tuning 
into the Youtube presentations of experienced Pundits chanting that 
and other mantras.


SHALOM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thx, (somebody put in "Meissner-like").  That's a good thing, since the actual 
Meissner effect is an observable electromagnetic field.
 Wasn't the "ME" previously called the "Maharishi-Effect"?  How ridiculous!
 But I suppose that Meissner-like is ok with the "like" qualifier; i.e. an 
unobservable Shakti effect that people can feel especially when radiated by 
certain Gurus (like Muktananda)  through "Shaktipat".
 Instead of attempting to appropriate a sense of scientific validity by using 
scientific jargon, just call it what it is:  Shakti.
 Anybody meditating over a relatively short time should have developed in 
internal "Shakti meter" than enables them to discern the Shakti, especially 
when the Shakti is highly concentrated (such as the Domes perhaps).
 Since I've never been in a Dome, I can't testify to that, but I've been in 
other places such as the 'Ramakrishna Vedanta Temple in Hollywood.
 
 On another topic, tampering with TM in an attempt to make it more "palatable" 
to those unfamiliar with it, may easily backfire.  Since, if one eliminates the 
puja in a bogus attempt to say that TM has no religious roots, a major source 
of Shakti is eliminated.
 Simply learning the mantras from a book will eliminate the Shakti altogether, 
although a small remnant may remain in certain mantras such as "OM NAMAH 
SHIVAYA"., and the Shakti may be magnified by tuning into the Youtube 
presentations of experienced Pundits chanting that and other mantras.
 SHALOM 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Mr. Hamilton, is there a published data set of dome numbers since the 
construction of the domes?
It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the stated 
effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible such 
as safer cars.
The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle 
fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles 
traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle 
safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption."
But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were 
arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not 
just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper?
The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for 
the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation.
There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is 
something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top 
Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while 
the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, 
though some journals rank 0. 
Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 
and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. 
These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in 
this consciousness journal, that fewer scenentists are interested in stuff 
published here. If you are a scientist, not very good, and want to be 
published, then you look for lower ranked journals to try to get published.
The journal wants almost $30 for a PDF of the full paper, which is only 
summarized by the PDF posted here. 
Does one of the scientists have a copy they could send you which you could 
post? They usually have these things on hand.
The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta 
Connect

  
|  
|   
|   
|   ||

   |

  |
|  
|   |  
The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingen...
 By Cavanaugh, K.L.   |   |

  |

  |

 
Another point, Scientific Journals are not Scripture.
But continue to meditate. The byproducts of meditation, whatever they are, are 
not as important as enlightenment.

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
   
    Observations and correlations about meditation and well-being were made 
throughout the last half of the 20th Century in published pilot research.  A 
rightly skeptical criticism of that body of scientific research conducted has 
been that much that was substantial was without “replication”.  The challenge 
in 'repetition' from a general decline in the teaching of meditation to new 
practitioners and the separation of many experienced practitioners from 
organized group practice of group meditations in the 1990’s and 2000’s was then 
obtaining repetition in that scope of research occurring previously in the 
1970’s and 1980’s in the shear size of those previous meditating groups to 
measure with controls.  This scale of size recurred again, occurring for a 
period of time running between 2007 and 2010.  
These published papers as hypothesis testing appear now as 'critical' 
replications in the correlation process of science. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

ArcherAngel, It would seem you could legitimately lodge your beefs on the 
research with the journals themselves and their peer review processes. It would 
be interesting to hear their responses. 
You did notice and open in the original post on this topic that a pdf of the 
research was included?  As replication testing of hypothesis these papers seems 
significant, like to..
The probability that the reduced trend for motor vehicle fatalities could 
simply be due to chance was reported to be 3.7 in 10 million million and for 
fatalities due to other accidents, less than 8.4 in 1 million.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

There are other explanations for this outside the TM organization's universe, 
it is attributed to better vehicle construction, and now that vehicles are 
appearing that can sense potential danger, the drop in fatalities should 
continue to go down. 
Correlation is not causation. One of the problems of designing a study is 
making sure there are no other plausible explanations for an effect, something 
TM scientists are particularly adept at avoiding. 
Those years also included the beginning of the recession and included large 
fluctuations in gasoline prices, perhaps people also drove less as prices 
increa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Observations and correlations about meditation and well-being were made 
throughout the last half of the 20th Century in published pilot research.  A 
rightly skeptical criticism of that body of scientific research conducted has 
been that much that was substantial was without “replication”.  The challenge 
in 'repetition' from a general decline in the teaching of meditation to new 
practitioners and the separation of many experienced practitioners from 
organized group practice of group meditations in the 1990’s and 2000’s was then 
obtaining repetition in that scope of research occurring previously in the 
1970’s and 1980’s in the shear size of those previous meditating groups to 
measure with controls.  This scale of size recurred again, occurring for a 
period of time running between 2007 and 2010.  

 These published papers as hypothesis testing appear now as 'critical' 
replications in the correlation process of science. 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 ArcherAngel, It would seem you could legitimately lodge your beefs on the 
research with the journals themselves and their peer review processes. It would 
be interesting to hear their responses. 
 

 You did notice and open in the original post on this topic that a pdf of the 
research was included?
  
 As replication testing of hypothesis these papers seems significant, like to..
 

 The probability that the reduced trend for motor vehicle fatalities could 
simply be due to chance was reported to be 3.7 in 10 million million and for 
fatalities due to other accidents, less than 8.4 in 1 million.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 There are other explanations for this outside the TM organization's universe, 
it is attributed to better vehicle construction, and now that vehicles are 
appearing that can sense potential danger, the drop in fatalities should 
continue to go down. 
 

 Correlation is not causation. One of the problems of designing a study is 
making sure there are no other plausible explanations for an effect, something 
TM scientists are particularly adept at avoiding. 
 

 Those years also included the beginning of the recession and included large 
fluctuations in gasoline prices, perhaps people also drove less as prices 
increased.
 

 "Federal transportation officials believe that much of the credit for saving 
lives in accidents goes to the enhanced safety systems that are now available 
in many automobiles."

 
Traffic Accident Fatalities Drop to Lowest Level in Decades 
https://www.helmerlegal.com/blog/Traffic-Accident-Fatalities-Drop-to-Lowest-Level-in-Decades/

 

 Helmer, Conley & Kasselman, P.A. Put over 400 years of legal experience on 
your side. Contact us today for an initial consultation. We are here f... 
https://www.helmerlegal.com/blog/Traffic-Accident-Fatalities-Drop-to-Lowest-Level-in-Decades/
 

 It would be nice if the TM effect could be studied under more controlled 
conditions, for if it is real, then scientists, not just those in the movement, 
would take notice.
 

 As it is, these effects are not believed outside the TM movement. Outside the 
movement, movement studies are mostly regarded as poor quality science designed 
for the promotion of TM rather than the discovery of truth.
 

 As long as this situation continues, the use of science this way denigrates 
the value of TM to this audience and ultimately undermines the purpose of doing 
studies.
 

 Example: The fact I lived in the United States during this period and engaged 
in certain activities during this time not related to meditation also has the 
same correlation with the reduction of accident fatalities.
 

 What were accident statistics prior to this period, when Dome numbers were 
often much higher, such as during the big courses in the 1980s?
 

 I think meditation is valuable, but there are other factors in TM science that 
need to be eliminated before the research is solid. The quality of meditation 
research, even outside the TM sphere, tends to be low.
 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 
   
 In the postmodern one would hope that public policy could be enlightened by 
science. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 These published papers  are critical replications in the correlation of 
science. The statistical significance of a 8.4 in a million chance that these 
observations are just random should not be missed on people. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dickm...@lisco.com> wrote :

 Attached is a summary of a new Maharishi Effect article, just published in the 
Journal of Consciousness Studies, January-February 2017, autho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It would seem you could legitimately lodge your beefs on the research with the 
journals themselves and their peer review processes. It would be interesting to 
hear their responses. 
 

 You did notice and open in the original post on this topic that a pdf of the 
research was included?
  
 As replication testing of hypothesis these papers seems significant, like to..
 

 The probability that the reduced trend for motor vehicle fatalities could 
simply be due to chance was reported to be 3.7 in 10 million million and for 
fatalities due to other accidents, less than 8.4 in 1 million.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 There are other explanations for this outside the TM organization's universe, 
it is attributed to better vehicle construction, and now that vehicles are 
appearing that can sense potential danger, the drop in fatalities should 
continue to go down. 
 

 Correlation is not causation. One of the problems of designing a study is 
making sure there are no other plausible explanations for an effect, something 
TM scientists are particularly adept at avoiding. 
 

 Those years also included the beginning of the recession and included large 
fluctuations in gasoline prices, perhaps people also drove less as prices 
increased.
 

 "Federal transportation officials believe that much of the credit for saving 
lives in accidents goes to the enhanced safety systems that are now available 
in many automobiles."

 
Traffic Accident Fatalities Drop to Lowest Level in Decades 
https://www.helmerlegal.com/blog/Traffic-Accident-Fatalities-Drop-to-Lowest-Level-in-Decades/

 

 Helmer, Conley & Kasselman, P.A. Put over 400 years of legal experience on 
your side. Contact us today for an initial consultation. We are here f... 
https://www.helmerlegal.com/blog/Traffic-Accident-Fatalities-Drop-to-Lowest-Level-in-Decades/
 

 It would be nice if the TM effect could be studied under more controlled 
conditions, for if it is real, then scientists, not just those in the movement, 
would take notice.
 

 As it is, these effects are not believed outside the TM movement. Outside the 
movement, movement studies are mostly regarded as poor quality science designed 
for the promotion of TM rather than the discovery of truth.
 

 As long as this situation continues, the use of science this way denigrates 
the value of TM to this audience and ultimately undermines the purpose of doing 
studies.
 

 Example: The fact I lived in the United States during this period and engaged 
in certain activities during this time not related to meditation also has the 
same correlation with the reduction of accident fatalities.
 

 What were accident statistics prior to this period, when Dome numbers were 
often much higher, such as during the big courses in the 1980s?
 

 I think meditation is valuable, but there are other factors in TM science that 
need to be eliminated before the research is solid. The quality of meditation 
research, even outside the TM sphere, tends to be low.
 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
 
 
   
 In the postmodern one would hope that public policy could be enlightened by 
science. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 These published papers  are critical replications in the correlation of 
science. The statistical significance of a 8.4 in a million chance that these 
observations are just random should not be missed on people. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dickm...@lisco.com> wrote :

 Attached is a summary of a new Maharishi Effect article, just published in the 
Journal of Consciousness Studies, January-February 2017, authored by Dr. 
Kenneth Cavanaugh and Dr. Michael Dillbeck. Please feel free to share widely.


"The study found that group practice of the Transcendental Meditation® and 
TM-Sidhi® program by participants in the Invincible America Assembly at 
Maharishi University of Management (MUM) was associated with a 20.6% reduction 
of US motor vehicle fatalities over the four-year period 2007–2010. The rate of 
all other accidental deaths was also reduced by a total of 13.5% over the same 
period.
 
The study estimates that 19,435 motor vehicle fatalities and 16,759 other 
accidental deaths were averted by the significantly reduced trends in accident 
rates.
From 2007–2010 the size of the group was above or near 1,725 participants, the 
size predicted to have a positive influence on the US quality of life. This 
predicted threshold represents the square root of 1% of the US population."
A new Maharishi Effect paper has just been published in the Journal of 
Consciousness Studies, January-February 2017, authored by Dr. Kenne

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There are other explanations for this outside the TM organization's universe, 
it is attributed to better vehicle construction, and now that vehicles are 
appearing that can sense potential danger, the drop in fatalities should 
continue to go down. 
Correlation is not causation. One of the problems of designing a study is 
making sure there are no other plausible explanations for an effect, something 
TM scientists are particularly adept at avoiding. 
Those years also included the beginning of the recession and included large 
fluctuations in gasoline prices, perhaps people also drove less as prices 
increased.
"Federal transportation officials believe that much of the credit for saving 
lives in accidents goes to the enhanced safety systems that are now available 
in many automobiles."

Traffic Accident Fatalities Drop to Lowest Level in Decades

  
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It would be nice if the TM effect could be studied under more controlled 
conditions, for if it is real, then scientists, not just those in the movement, 
would take notice.
As it is, these effects are not believed outside the TM movement. Outside the 
movement, movement studies are mostly regarded as poor quality science designed 
for the promotion of TM rather than the discovery of truth.
As long as this situation continues, the use of science this way denigrates the 
value of TM to this audience and ultimately undermines the purpose of doing 
studies.
Example: The fact I lived in the United States during this period and engaged 
in certain activities during this time not related to meditation also has the 
same correlation with the reduction of accident fatalities.
What were accident statistics prior to this period, when Dome numbers were 
often much higher, such as during the big courses in the 1980s?
I think meditation is valuable, but there are other factors in TM science that 
need to be eliminated before the research is solid. The quality of meditation 
research, even outside the TM sphere, tends to be low.  From: 
"dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like 
Effect article published
   
    In the postmodern one would hope that public policy could be enlightened by 
science. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

These published papers  are critical replications in the correlation of 
science. The statistical significance of a 8.4 in a million chance that these 
observations are just random should not be missed on people. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dickm...@lisco.com> wrote :

Attached is a summary of a new Maharishi Effect article, just published in the 
Journal of Consciousness Studies, January-February 2017, authored by Dr. 
Kenneth Cavanaugh and Dr. Michael Dillbeck. Please feel free to share widely.


"The study foundthat group practice of the Transcendental Meditation® and 
TM-Sidhi® program byparticipants in the Invincible America Assembly at 
Maharishi University of Management (MUM)was associated with a 20.6% reduction 
of US motor vehicle fatalities over thefour-year period 2007–2010. The rate of 
all other accidental deaths was alsoreduced by a total of 13.5% over the same 
period.
 
The study estimates that 19,435 motor vehicle fatalities and16,759 other 
accidental deaths were averted by the significantly reduced trendsin accident 
rates.
>From 2007–2010 thesize of the group was above or near 1,725 participants, the 
>size predicted tohave a positive influence on the US quality of life. This 
>predicted thresholdrepresents the square root of 1% of the US population."
A new Maharishi Effect paper has just been published in the Journal of 
Consciousness Studies, January-February 2017, authored by Dr. Kenneth Cavanaugh 
and Dr. Michael Dillbeck.
 
The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta 
Connect
Keywords: TM-Sidhi programme; accidental fatality prevention; consciousness and 
collective behaviour; intervention analysis; motor vehicle fatality prevention; 
time series regression models
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

In the postmodern one would hope that public policy could be enlightened by 
science. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 These published papers  are critical replications in the correlation of 
science. The statistical significance of a 8.4 in a million chance that these 
observations are just random should not be missed on people. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Attached is a summary of a new Maharishi Effect article, just published in the 
Journal of Consciousness Studies, January-February 2017, authored by Dr. 
Kenneth Cavanaugh and Dr. Michael Dillbeck. Please feel free to share widely.


"The study found that group practice of the Transcendental Meditation® and 
TM-Sidhi® program by participants in the Invincible America Assembly at 
Maharishi University of Management (MUM) was associated with a 20.6% reduction 
of US motor vehicle fatalities over the four-year period 2007–2010. The rate of 
all other accidental deaths was also reduced by a total of 13.5% over the same 
period.
 
The study estimates that 19,435 motor vehicle fatalities and 16,759 other 
accidental deaths were averted by the significantly reduced trends in accident 
rates.
From 2007–2010 the size of the group was above or near 1,725 participants, the 
size predicted to have a positive influence on the US quality of life. This 
predicted threshold represents the square root of 1% of the US population."
A new Maharishi Effect paper has just been published in the Journal of 
Consciousness Studies, January-February 2017, authored by Dr. Kenneth Cavanaugh 
and Dr. Michael Dillbeck.
 
The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta 
Connect 
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