[FairfieldLife] Re: The Guru Papers by Kramer

2006-09-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What *IS* this tendency in human beings that seems 
> to cause their spiritual and religious movements 
> first to expand and focus on selfless service, and 
> then later to contract and focus instead on self 
> importance?  

I think of it as the lessons for living on planet earth. The self 
contained multiverse we live in is governed by a specific level of 
consciousness that creates a near infinite but clearly defined number 
of possibilities. All things here are theoretically possible, though 
some like breathing are common, and others like breathing underwater 
are rare. The best thing to do is gain our freedom here and see what is 
next. The earth will always be a wonderful way station on our 
continuous journey from world to world to world.
 
> If we ever figured that out, we might be able to 
> create an alternative to this sad trend.
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Guru Papers by Kramer

2006-09-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Posted a few years ago but worth reading again.
> 
> Excerpt from The Guru Papers:
> 
> Most cults follow a predictable progression of two distinct stages,
> which indicates that what is involved is more a function of how
> authoritarian structures work than of the particular teachings of a
> given guru.
> 
> This first stage is messianic with the message being that all labors
> of the organization, including the guru's, are aimed at a higher
> purpose beyond the group, such as saving mankind. 
> 
> . . .
> 
> A time inevitably comes when the popularity and power of the group
> plateaus and then begins to wane. Eventually it becomes obvious that
> the guru is not going to take over the world, at least not in the
> immediate future. When the realization comes that humanity is too
> stupid or blind to acknowledge that higher authority and wisdom 
> of the guru, the apocalyptic phase enters and the party is over...

Indeed. *Well* worth reading again.

What *IS* this tendency in human beings that seems 
to cause their spiritual and religious movements 
first to expand and focus on selfless service, and 
then later to contract and focus instead on self 
importance?  

If we ever figured that out, we might be able to 
create an alternative to this sad trend.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Guru Papers by Kramer

2006-09-22 Thread Jason Spock



       Hitler, Stalin, Mao and the other Communists, do they come under this category.??geezerfreak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:36:42 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Guru Papers by Kramer     Posted a few years ago but worth reading again.Excerpt from The Guru Papers:Most cults follow a predictable progression of two distinct stages,which indicates that what is involved is more a function of howauthoritarian structures work than of the particular teachings of agiven guru.This first stage is messianic with the message being that all laborsof the
 organization, including the guru's, are aimed at a higherpurpose beyond the group, such as saving mankind. During this phasethe guru is confident that he will eventually be acknowledged as theone who will lead the world out of darkness. The major emphasis is onproselytizing to bring in new converts. The continual increase innumbers satisfies the guru's need for power and adulation. Whilethere is still hope of becoming the acknowledged herald of a neworder, he remains happy and relatively benign in his treatment ofthose who have surrendered to him.As long as the guru still sees the possibility of realizing hisambitions, the way he exercises power is through rewarding theenthusisams of his followers with praise and positions in hishierarchy. He also whets and manipulates desire by offering carrotsand promising that through him the disciples' desires will berealized, possibly even in this lifetime. The group itself
 becomes anecho of the guru, with the members filling each other's needs.Everything seems perfect: everyone is moving along the appropriatespiritual path. The guru is relatively accessible, charming, evenfun. All dreams are realizable, even wonderful possibilities beyondone's ken...A time inevitably comes when the popularity and power of the groupplateaus and then begins to wane. Eventually it becomes obvious thatthe guru is not going to take over the world, at least not in theimmediate future. When the realization comes that humanity is toostupid or blind to acknowledge that higher authority and wisdom of theguru, the apocalyptic phase enters and the party is over. Then one oftwo things generally happens: the first is that the guru's messageturns pessimistic or doomsday, voicing something like this: Sooncivilization is going to break down and face amazing disasters --except for us, who are wisely withdrawing
 to protectdt ourselves andretain our purity. This group will survive as a pocket of lightamidst the darkness; then afterwards we will lead forth a new age.The other possibility is that in order to attract more people, theguru makes increasingly extreme promises and bizarre claims that offeroccult powers, quick enlightenment, or even wish fulfillment in themundane sphere around wealth, love, and power... Either of these tacks-- predicting disaster or making grand promises --- is counterproductive in the long run, since most people would prefer to alignwith an optimistic viewpoint and are taken aback by the outrageous claims.The attitude of benign superiority toward outsiders characteristic ofthe expansionistic phase dramatically shifts when the group turnsapocalyptic. It is the outsiders who will receive the brunt ofwhatever cataclysm the guru claims will come. Now there are direwarnings about the dangers of
 associating with anyone not on thispath. The fervor shifts from world-saving to a holocaust mentalityfocused on the survival and protection of the group. Any member wholeaves threatens the cohesiveness of the whole group. This mountingmistrust is not totally paranoid because as the group becomes moreclosed and bizarre, outsiders react more negatively.. .The transition from optimistic expansionism to the paranoid doomsdaymode involves a heavy turnover of people. Those not really seriousleave, and others begin surreptitiously to question the leader'somniscience. In an attempt to counteract this, the group becomesmore militaristic, demanding even greater obedience...When the guru realizes that most people are not going to acknowledgehim, he often compensates, if he can afford it, by building monumentaledifices that proclaim his greatness. This includes monuments ortemples, buildings, model communities and
 learning centers... Whenever a guru's power needs are not being satisfied by expansion, he generally seeks more adulation from and control over those who have surrendered to him. He does so by dictating more directly how they spend their daily lives... Though the guru needs his disciples evenmore attached to him, he becomes more remote, sending his dictatesdown the line. Although the guru usually preaches the unity of allhumanity he becomes increasingly more separate. His message is oflove, but he shows little concern for those under him, as they havebecome mere tools for his ambitions. Often he consciously orunconsciously blames those around him for the failure of his messianicaspirations. This stage commonly results