[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In the past few days, someone posted a photo of Swami Muktananda hug- ging Maharishi. I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between these two, and here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maha- rishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held even- ing knowledge meetings for the international staff - the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some significant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was developing: which of these two powerful saints was going to make the other move. It was obvious, almost palpable, that there was a great flow of love, respect, and especially cosmic power, between these two. And the contrast was very clear - Swami Muktananda manifesting his power through activity (forceful speech, moving his disciples about, group chanting, animated gestures) and Maharishi manifest- ing his power through silence and non-movement. Almost like the polarity of Goddess Shakti and Lord Shiva, the two great polar opposite fields of life. The polarity of this silence and activity was intense. Obviously, something had to give. And, at a certain moment late in the even- ing, right in the middle of saying something to or about Maharishi, Swami Muktananda abruptly stopped talking, quickly got up, sat down right next to Maharishi on his couch, and hugged him. Everyone, the followers of both Masters, were shocked and amazed, and the room became very agitated! People were moving about, taking pic- tures of them, talking, etc. To the best of my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. And maybe some shakipat? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. And maybe some shakipat? Maybe. Jim (my friend) was totally into Muktananda at that point in his life, and was rather unimpressed with Maharishi. Jim and his buddies were heavy into the shaktipat scene, and the way things were around Muktananda's movement, which he tells me were light and informal and fun. He was pretty underwhelmed when he encoun- tered a spiritual environment that was the opposite: heavy, formal to a fault, and where (in his words) Having fun seemed to be considered a sin by most of the people I talked to. I never met Muktananda, so I don't know first-hand about his movement or how it was different from Maharishi's. I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/06 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never having seen Maharishi touched, especially so enthusiastically and explosively, we asked him something naive like Wasn't it strange to have someone touching you like that - how do you maintain your purity? Maharishi replied: I just stayed on my Self, which seemed to answer more than we had asked. Nice account, but I find this last paragraph odd, in light of how much touching he enjoyed in private (of course you guys didn't know that at the time), and also the implication that Muktananda was impure such that a hug from him would sully Maharishi. I found it rather odd, too, especially having heard the Muktananda version of the story. Obviously, if Muktananda said what my friend said he did, the only thing he felt in the situation was compassion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
That's why everybody dropped out--because it turned into (or MMY allowed it to be turned into) this heavy, formal, Fundamentalist environment where everyone was treated in a condescending manner, not to mention having their pockets picked at every available opportunity. Kind of hard to have fun with things like that going on on a regular basis. Sal On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: He was pretty underwhelmed when he encoun- tered a spiritual environment that was the opposite: heavy, formal to a fault, and where (in his words) Having fun seemed to be considered a sin by most of the people I talked to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
Another interesting tidbit to the story is that the reason Muk came to visit is that John Gray and Billy Clayton were going to see him and getting Shaktipat when we went up to S. Fallsburg to hang out at the TMO facility next door. (Those two, two others, and myself were sent to NJ in the summer of '76 to inspire the local Governors during the TM-in-schools court case.) They invited him to visit MMY without MMY authorizing them to do so. He was a bit peeved about that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) And then compared notes on the effectiveness of various Herpes treatments. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) And then compared notes on the effectiveness of various Herpes treatments. :) Nope. As it turns out, we all made it through the swingin' 70s in the TM movement Scot-free, with nary a disease to show for it all. Undoubtedly it was because even if we were low-vibe slimes, the women we slept with were being fully supported by the Laws Of Nature and thus were invincible with regard to STDs. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In the past few days, someone posted a photo of Swami Muktananda hug- ging Maharishi. I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between these two, and here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maha- rishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held even- ing knowledge meetings for the international staff - the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some significant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was developing: which of these two powerful saints was going to make the other move. It was obvious, almost palpable, that there was a great flow of love, respect, and especially cosmic power, between these two. And the contrast was very clear - Swami Muktananda manifesting his power through activity (forceful speech, moving his disciples about, group chanting, animated gestures) and Maharishi manifest- ing his power through silence and non-movement. Almost like the polarity of Goddess Shakti and Lord Shiva, the two great polar opposite fields of life. The polarity of this silence and activity was intense. Obviously, something had to give. And, at a certain moment late in the even- ing, right in the middle of saying something to or about Maharishi, Swami Muktananda abruptly stopped talking,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice account. But just out of curiosity, Michael, deep, Vedic knowledge has accomplished exactly what? In science or any other field. Sal Ask Hagelin's associates who worked with him after he modified Flipped SU(5) to fit the vedic cosmology model. On Apr 10, 2006, at 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/10/06 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman at Tantra@ wrote: Never having seen Maharishi touched, especially so enthusiastically and explosively, we asked him something naive like Wasn't it strange to have someone touching you like that - how do you maintain your purity? Maharishi replied: I just stayed on my Self, which seemed to answer more than we had asked. Nice account, but I find this last paragraph odd, in light of how much touching he enjoyed in private (of course you guys didn't know that at the time), and also the implication that Muktananda was impure such that a hug from him would sully Maharishi. I found it rather odd, too, especially having heard the Muktananda version of the story. Obviously, if Muktananda said what my friend said he did, the only thing he felt in the situation was compassion. He felt a need to move, while MMY felt like sitting still. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Apr 10, 2006, at 11:49 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice account. But just out of curiosity, Michael, deep, Vedic knowledge has accomplished exactly what? In science or any other field. Sal Ask Hagelin's associates who worked with him after he modified Flipped SU(5) to fit the vedic cosmology model. Yeah, I'm sure they found his attribution of the five quantum spin- types to the five tanmatras and to the doshas just so blissfully scientific. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/10/06 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman at Tantra@ wrote: Never having seen Maharishi touched, especially so enthusiastically and explosively, we asked him something naive like Wasn't it strange to have someone touching you like that - how do you maintain your purity? Maharishi replied: I just stayed on my Self, which seemed to answer more than we had asked. Nice account, but I find this last paragraph odd, in light of how much touching he enjoyed in private (of course you guys didn't know that at the time), and also the implication that Muktananda was impure such that a hug from him would sully Maharishi. I found it rather odd, too, especially having heard the Muktananda version of the story. Obviously, if Muktananda said what my friend said he did, the only thing he felt in the situation was compassion. (Or, that's the only thing he wanted his listeners to think he felt.) It's funny, but it's entirely possible to understand what each of them said as a completely accurate, noncontradictory descriptions of what had happened between them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/10/06 9:04 AM, Michael Dean Goodman at Tantra@ wrote: Never having seen Maharishi touched, especially so enthusiastically and explosively, we asked him something naive like Wasn't it strange to have someone touching you like that - how do you maintain your purity? Maharishi replied: I just stayed on my Self, which seemed to answer more than we had asked. Nice account, but I find this last paragraph odd, in light of how much touching he enjoyed in private (of course you guys didn't know that at the time), and also the implication that Muktananda was impure such that a hug from him would sully Maharishi. I found it rather odd, too, especially having heard the Muktananda version of the story. Obviously, if Muktananda said what my friend said he did, the only thing he felt in the situation was compassion. (Or, that's the only thing he wanted his listeners to think he felt.) It's funny, but it's entirely possible to understand what each of them said as a completely accurate, noncontradictory descriptions of what had happened between them. Quite. And awhile ago we had someone post here who were Governors who when in Australia after that 1976 meeting they brought Muktananda flowers on behalf of MMY and there were good, positive messages from both to the other. Like Rashomon, we all see and interpret situations from the way we want to see it. If that Muktananda follower was hanging around Barry and birds of a feather flock together then, well, you know... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
Thanks. Great recounting of something I heard about 30 years ago and always wanted to know more about! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fairfield Lifers, In the past few days, someone posted a photo of Swami Muktananda hug- ging Maharishi. I was there at this famous meeting in 1976 between these two, and here's what I remember: Swami Muktananda was traveling on tour throughout Europe with a large entourage of his followers. A meeting was arranged with Maha- rishi in the big meeting room in Seelisberg where Maharishi held even- ing knowledge meetings for the international staff - the beautiful gold meeting hall that you see in many videos. Muktananda and his entourage were the guests of honor that evening, and the meeting was, in essence, turned over to them as I remember. Maharishi was seated on the stage on the central couch, as usual. Swami Muktananda was seated on another couch to Maharishi's right (a place of great honor - the teacher often is on the right when he sits with a student, as in a TM initiation). Neither was higher or lower than the other. (Muktananda seemed quite happy with the seating arrangement, and didn't express verbally or physically any desire to change it - till the end - but we're getting ahead of the story!) The audience was the entire international staff, 108's, faculty, VIPs, etc. - plus the participants on my course (a year-long, ex- perimental course where Maharishi was giving us a lot of personal attention). He specifically invited our course to this special meeting - sent a bus all the way around Lake Lucerne and had us travel over an hour to get there, which messed up our routine and only happened on very special occasions (celebrations, special an- nouncements, guests, etc.). So Maharishi knew that something spe- cial was up - Swami Muktananda did not arrive as any kind of sur- prise. That evening to begin the meeting, Maharishi said some brief, but very uplifting and honoring remarks about Swami Muktananda. Maha- rishi then asked Swami Muktananda to speak, which he did, through his interpreter (a young woman), and during that talk he spoke highly of Maharishi. He also spoke quite forcefully about the ig- norance and superficiality of Western science when compared with deep, vedic knowledge. After he spoke, Swami Muktananda and his followers chanted the Guru Gita (which is a part of the Skanda Purana, and contains some significant components of the TM puja ceremony). During all of this, all throughout his talking or chanting, Swami Muktananda did what he does with his students - had them come sit right near him for a minute or two, and then sent them back to their seat in the audience and replaced them with another of his students, apparently giving them powerful darshan. Basically, Maharishi turned over the program for the evening to Swami Muktananda, and sat quietly, often with eyes closed, after his own opening words. He didn't interact on the surface (make remarks, do commentary, exchange looks, etc.). He seemed very deep within. To me, and a number of my friends on my course, it seemed like a kind of friendly, cosmic contest was developing: which of these two powerful saints was going to make the other move. It was obvious, almost palpable, that there was a great flow of love, respect, and especially cosmic power, between these two. And the contrast was very clear - Swami Muktananda manifesting his power through activity (forceful speech, moving his disciples about, group chanting, animated gestures) and Maharishi manifest- ing his power through silence and non-movement. Almost like the polarity of Goddess Shakti and Lord Shiva, the two great polar opposite fields of life. The polarity of this silence and activity was intense. Obviously, something had to give. And, at a certain moment late in the even- ing, right in the middle of saying something to or about Maharishi, Swami Muktananda abruptly stopped talking, quickly got up, sat down right next to Maharishi on his couch, and hugged him. Everyone, the followers of both Masters, were shocked and amazed, and the room became very agitated! People were moving about, taking pic- tures of them, talking, etc. To the best of my knowledge, no one had ever sat down next to Maharishi on his couch, nor snuggled up against him, nor wrapped him in a hug! Maharishi didn't seem upset, and didn't look any more uncomfortable than you'd be if you'd been deep in silence and somebody bounced down onto the couch next to you and grabbed you. Maharishi didn't appear to try and pull away or get up. The two of them exchanged a few private words in the midst of this chaos, then both arose and exited the meeting hall together, leaving the room in turmoil. Some of Muktananda's followers, not aware of the normal etiquette, rushed for the door to follow
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... Gee, Barry, I was only kidding. But I find it interesting that you put yourself on the same level as Muktananda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Rashomon, we all see and interpret situations from the way we want to see it. I have no problem whatsover with this statement. If that Muktananda follower was hanging around Barry and birds of a feather flock together then, well, you know... Or this one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's actually hilarious, Shemp! The meeting of Maharishi and Muktananda as a kind of spiritual Thunderdome. Deep bow. Now *that's* warped. And very funny. Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... I heard an account of one woman who had sex with him (muktananda) say something along the lines of 'It wasn't really like regular sex, for instance, he did not have an erection.' Maybe it was a lot like Barry. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's actually hilarious, Shemp! The meeting of Maharishi and Muktananda as a kind of spiritual Thunderdome. Deep bow. Now *that's* warped. And very funny. Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. And then you swapped who did you do before you ran into Rama stories, undoubtedly. Not with Jim, but that subject *did* come up with a couple of former TM teachers (male) who later got involved with Rama. Although none of us had known each other or even of each other while in the TMO, it turns out that we had slept with many of the same women. :-) Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... I heard an account of one woman who had sex with him (muktananda) say something along the lines of 'It wasn't really like regular sex, for instance, he did not have an erection.' Maybe it was a lot like Barry. :) Actually, there was a big expose about Muktananda's sex life after he died. And about 10 years ago it was replayed in a New Yorker article called Oh, guru, guru, guru. Apparently, he had stirrup- like tables built for him (of the kind that females sit in when they visit their lady-problems doctors) which he used to have genital-to- genital contact with young underage virgins (preferably) and, yes, like you state, he never had an erection. Indeed, some of the ladies recounted having incredible spiritual experiences as a result. So maybe THAT was alot like Barry. Others, of course, were traumatized for life by these experiences and we had one such individual Muktananda follower who used to post to this forum several years back who related her experiences with him to us. If Yahoo! had a proper search engine like Googles advanced group search I could point you to the messages where she talked about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's actually hilarious, Shemp! The meeting of Maharishi and Muktananda as a kind of spiritual Thunderdome. Deep bow. Now *that's* warped. And very funny. Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! Who is she? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... Gee, Barry, I was only kidding. But I find it interesting that you put yourself on the same level as Muktananda. You don't get it. The universe is so bent that I really *could* have slept with some of the same women that Swami Muktananda did. I have no indication that this is true, but it's defin- itely not out of the question. Without going into it, a lot of the TM women who were...uh... starfuckers...in the early days of that movement later jumped ship and went over to Muktananda. I was merely laughing that the rumors about the number of his sexual conquests seem to have come from the same quarter that the rumors about mine did, and seem to bear the same relationship to reality. Believe me, if Swami Muktananda was into fucking whoever the hell he felt like fucking and telling those who had issues with that to spelunk their own assholes eternally, I'd be *proud* to be on the same level as him. But to be honest, I've never really thought about it, and since I never met the gentleman in real life, can't speculate... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. That's actually hilarious, Shemp! The meeting of Maharishi and Muktananda as a kind of spiritual Thunderdome. Deep bow. Now *that's* warped. And very funny. Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! I defer to anoncouscousananda. When the man's right, he's right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Yahoo! had a proper search engine like Googles advanced group search I could point you to the messages where she talked about it. Message 16650 and vicinity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! Who is she? A very nice, funny and hot early LA SIMS UCLA girl, a la 1966, who amongst other things, dated Elvis Presley, took a daily swim in the MIU Santa Barbara pool watched by every male there, especially as she raised herself out of the pool, water streaming off her in the sunlight (I swear, it was in slow motion, haha), later was around Seelsiberg / Int'l a lot, was an M. group teacher for a while (I beleive), married an Italan count, and sadly died of a brain tumor some years ago. While quite nice,sweet,and vivacious, she had, or could invoke, a quite vampish look. Karen, may you be happy and flourishing where ever you are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! Who is she? Very pretty and intelligent woman who did some of the early research on TM. Died of brain cancer a few years ago. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who would play Auntie Entity? Rindy Schwartz? :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! I defer to anoncouscousananda. When the man's right, he's right. Which is far more frequently than you can comprehend. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Yahoo! had a proper search engine like Googles advanced group search I could point you to the messages where she talked about it. Message 16650 and vicinity. Wow. That's like 80,000 messages ago! We talk alot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: If Yahoo! had a proper search engine like Googles advanced group search I could point you to the messages where she talked about it. Message 16650 and vicinity. Wow. That's like 80,000 messages ago! We talk alot. 40,000 were Sparaig's. 20,000 were judy and barry telling each other why the other are such dumbshits. 10,000 were Ron F. Of the remaining 10,000, 253 were interesting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: :-) Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! Who is she? A very nice, funny and hot early LA SIMS UCLA girl, a la 1966, who amongst other things, dated Elvis Presley, took a daily swim in the MIU Santa Barbara pool watched by every male there, especially as she raised herself out of the pool, water streaming off her in the sunlight (I swear, it was in slow motion, haha)... What he said. And it really was in slow motion. She was magical, a veritable dakini. Karen, may you be happy and flourishing where ever you are. Big AMEN from over here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Message 16650 and vicinity. Wow. That's like 80,000 messages ago! We talk alot. 40,000 were Sparaig's. 20,000 were judy and barry telling each other why the other are such dumbshits. 10,000 were Ron F. Of the remaining 10,000, 253 were interesting. Can't argue with statistics. :-) I thought there were only 249, personally, but hey! different strokes for different folks... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: While this is a sweet story from a TM TB-kind of point of view, just to balance it I should report verbatim the view of the same event that a good friend of mine whom I know from the Rama trip told me. He was in Swami Muktananda's entourage at the time, and thus was in the same room that Michael was, saw the same events, and heard *Muktananda's* comments on the meeting after it was over. According to my friend, when asked by his students the next day what it was like meeting Maharishi, Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. So I hugged him. That was it. According to my friend, Muktananda never mentioned the meeting ever again. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Actually, this sounds like the same story told from the perspective of action, rather than silence... And without the elitist mood-making. One guy got up; one guy stayed seated. Interpret it how you want. Two men enter, one man leaves. Whoa! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
On Apr 10, 2006, at 11:07 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2006, at 10:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Muktananda supposedly said, quote: He seemed nice, but desperately in need of a hug. And maybe some shakipat? Maybe. Jim (my friend) was totally into Muktananda at that point in his life, and was rather unimpressed with Maharishi. Jim and his buddies were heavy into the shaktipat scene, and the way things were around Muktananda's movement, which he tells me were light and informal and fun. He was pretty underwhelmed when he encoun- tered a spiritual environment that was the opposite: heavy, formal to a fault, and where (in his words) Having fun seemed to be considered a sin by most of the people I talked to. I never met Muktananda, so I don't know first-hand about his movement or how it was different from Maharishi's. I'm just reporting the experience of a fellow I once swapped what did you do before you ran into Rama stories with. I heard he had a woody...until Mukti hugged him. Then he could finally stand up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 10, 2006, at 11:49 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Nice account. But just out of curiosity, Michael, deep, Vedic knowledge has accomplished exactly what? In science or any other field. Sal Ask Hagelin's associates who worked with him after he modified Flipped SU(5) to fit the vedic cosmology model. Yeah, I'm sure they found his attribution of the five quantum spin- types to the five tanmatras and to the doshas just so blissfully scientific. :-) Heh. Whatever he did, it made Flipped SU(5) one of the top contenders for a TOE for many years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karen Blasdale, you silly fool! Who is she? Very pretty and intelligent woman who did some of the early research on TM. Died of brain cancer a few years ago. I believe I met her once, sorta. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/10/06 1:56 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: If Yahoo! had a proper search engine like Googles advanced group search I could point you to the messages where she talked about it. Message 16650 and vicinity. Wow. That's like 80,000 messages ago! We talk alot. 40,000 were Sparaig's. 20,000 were judy and barry telling each other why the other are such dumbshits. 10,000 were Ron F. Of the remaining 10,000, 253 were interesting. +++ ROFL, Great analitical mind at work obviously. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The story behind the photo of Swami Muktananda hugging Maharishi
Interesting article about Muktananda: http://www.leavingsiddhayoga.net/secret.htm --- anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Maybe you had slept with the same women as Muktananda did... If so, none of them mentioned it to me. And when you think of it, not bringing his name up as a point of comparison between the two of us may have been an act of com- passion on the part of these women. Whether it was an act of compassion for Muktananda or myself, I leave up to others to determine... :-) Couldn't resist... I heard an account of one woman who had sex with him (muktananda) say something along the lines of 'It wasn't really like regular sex, for instance, he did not have an erection.' Maybe it was a lot like Barry. :) Actually, there was a big expose about Muktananda's sex life after he died. And about 10 years ago it was replayed in a New Yorker article called Oh, guru, guru, guru. Apparently, he had stirrup-like tables built for him (of the kind that females sit in when they visit their lady-problems doctors) which he used to have genital-to-genital contact with young underage virgins (preferably) and, yes, like you state, he never had an erection. Indeed, some of the ladies recounted having incredible spiritual experiences as a result. So maybe THAT was alot like Barry. Hey, gimme a break. I was a full time TM teacher during the periods of my greatest debauchery. Where the fuck was *I* gonna get the money for a set of good sex stirrups? That's the kind of kink that usually only a Big time spiritual teacher can afford. :-) Much less a penile implant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
