[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or, you could make movies that millions of people see, and in each one > show Fords imploding in horrible car accidents until the miserable SOB > shut the h*ll up about his prejudices. > > Louis B Mayer thought of that one--right on. Did he? Great...more power to him! > > Sal > > > On May 25, 2006, at 2:16 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the > > virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products > > or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/25/06 3:18 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > btw, I had the interesting fortune to work in a Persian rug store in > > Wash DC, run by several Iranian brothers, during the transition in > > Iran from the Shah to Khomeini... > > I was in Tehran for three months prior to that transition. Interesting > experience. We used to stand on the roof of our hotel and watch the mobs > burn theatres and liquor stores. Great grapes and pistachio nuts. > Wow- wouldn't have been my first choice for a vacation(!)... I had a weird experience while working in that store at the time. A supposedly 'former' free-lance photographer for the CIA insisted on taking a group pic of all of the store employees, including me, together. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
Or, you could make movies that millions of people see, and in each one show Fords imploding in horrible car accidents until the miserable SOB shut the h*ll up about his prejudices. Louis B Mayer thought of that one--right on. Sal On May 25, 2006, at 2:16 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that > > both > > > > Mark > > > > > and Sal remind us of. > > > > > > > > > > So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings > fascinating > > > yet, > > > > > at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, > > he > > > > > should be in prison for, if true. > > > > > > > > > > What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the > man > > > > said > > > > > and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course > > > > > acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. > > > > > > > > > > It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest > > the > > > > > virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford > > > > products > > > > > or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his > > faults. > > > > > > > > Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) > > > > > > Just what I was thinking. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > I may or may not like Persian rugs but Billie Batts LOVES Bill > > Clinton. > > > C'mon, stay relevant geopolitically-- Dude hasn't even been Prez for > six years... > and 9/11 certainly didn't happen on his watch. > Watch Loose Change and then deceide who was watching which watch. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
on 5/25/06 3:18 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > btw, I had the interesting fortune to work in a Persian rug store in > Wash DC, run by several Iranian brothers, during the transition in > Iran from the Shah to Khomeini... I was in Tehran for three months prior to that transition. Interesting experience. We used to stand on the roof of our hotel and watch the mobs burn theatres and liquor stores. Great grapes and pistachio nuts. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both > > Mark > > > and Sal remind us of. > > > > > > So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating > yet, > > > at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he > > > should be in prison for, if true. > > > > > > What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man > > said > > > and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course > > > acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. > > > > > > It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the > > > virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford > > products > > > or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. > > > > Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) > > Just what I was thinking. Thank you. > btw, I had the interesting fortune to work in a Persian rug store in Wash DC, run by several Iranian brothers, during the transition in Iran from the Shah to Khomeini... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that > both > > > Mark > > > > and Sal remind us of. > > > > > > > > So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating > > yet, > > > > at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, > he > > > > should be in prison for, if true. > > > > > > > > What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man > > > said > > > > and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course > > > > acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. > > > > > > > > It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest > the > > > > virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford > > > products > > > > or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his > faults. > > > > > > Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) > > > > Just what I was thinking. Thank you. > > > > > I may or may not like Persian rugs but Billie Batts LOVES Bill > Clinton. > C'mon, stay relevant geopolitically-- Dude hasn't even been Prez for six years... and 9/11 certainly didn't happen on his watch. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > wrote: > > > > > > I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both > > Mark > > > and Sal remind us of. > > > > > > So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating > yet, > > > at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he > > > should be in prison for, if true. > > > > > > What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man > > said > > > and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course > > > acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. > > > > > > It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the > > > virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford > > products > > > or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. > > > > Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) > > Just what I was thinking. Thank you. > I may or may not like Persian rugs but Billie Batts LOVES Bill Clinton. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both > Mark > > and Sal remind us of. > > > > So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, > > at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he > > should be in prison for, if true. > > > > What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man > said > > and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course > > acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. > > > > It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the > > virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford > products > > or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. > > Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) Just what I was thinking. Thank you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark > and Sal remind us of. > > So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, > at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he > should be in prison for, if true. > > What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said > and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course > acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. > > It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the > virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products > or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. Do you like Persian rugs? ; ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that > both Mark and Sal remind us of. > > So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, > at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he > should be in prison for, if true. > > What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man > said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course > acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. > > It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the > virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford > products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge > his faults. Overall, I think yours is a wise position. However, I should point out that given your example, you'd still be driving a Ford. :-) (Saith the person who in his time as a consultant, drove most of the cars made in America and wouldn't be caught dead again in most of them.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If they were having sex with underage women, they should have been > sucking in the subtle energy of a state prison. > > Sal Of course "underage" is relative, in a legal sense. per web search, age of consent is 12 in Mexico, 13 in Spain, 14 in Germany and Iowa, 16 in India and Conneticut (Rick and Pete, you are safe from those late teenage adventures), 18 in California. And in some homes "never". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
I am familiar with all the charges against Muktananda that both Mark and Sal remind us of. So, I am in a dilemma because I find his writings fascinating yet, at the same time, he is accused of things that, as Sal said, he should be in prison for, if true. What I do is take what I perceive the good things that the man said and did and wrote about and deal with those and of course acknowledge and condemn any crimes he allegedly committed. It's like dealing with Ford Motor company. I could protest the virulent anti-semitism of Henry Ford by boycotting all Ford products or buy the products and, at the same time, acknowledge his faults. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > wrote: > > > > > > > Muktananda had sex with underage daughters of close disciples in > > secret with a heavy amount of intimidation before and afterwards. > > Clearly you are not suggesting that he exclusively had sex with the above. > > > The > > young ladies generally report having been freaked out. This is not > > "yogi sex" -- it's manipulative immature sex. > > I am not defending the guy but, > he had manipulative immature sex AND at different times had what might > be characerized as, or suggestive of, yogi sex. Two different things. > > With your comments and change of subject/title, you may incorrectly > leave the casual reader with the impression that: > > 1) all yogi sex is manipulative immature sex > > and/or > > 2) yogi sex doesn't exist, is just a cover for sexual and often > perverted sexual gratification. > > My point is, while any number of abuses may have occurred in lots of > ashrams, thats an issue in and of itself. That in no way diminishes > the possibility of yogi sex, totally separate from abuses eslewhere > by others, in which the primary purpose is energy transformation. > Muktananda was probably a bad example of yogi sex. > > > > IMO, both Hubbard and Muktananda were needing to suck in subtle energy > > from the outside to maintain whatever powers they had and were losing > > due to physical/mental deterioration. > > In a comprehensive, if not definitive biography of Gandhi, its said > that in his later years, he would regularly sleep with two young > virgins, one on each side, in reverse direction (their head at his > feet, and vice versa) -- no sex involved. This was some yogi energy > rejuvination method that Gandhi found quite effective. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If they were having sex with underage women, they should have been > sucking in the subtle energy of a state prison. > > Sal > Agreed. as in, here's Bubba, your new 'spiritual Master'... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Muktananda had sex with underage daughters of close disciples in > secret with a heavy amount of intimidation before and afterwards. Clearly you are not suggesting that he exclusively had sex with the above. > The > young ladies generally report having been freaked out. This is not > "yogi sex" -- it's manipulative immature sex. I am not defending the guy but, he had manipulative immature sex AND at different times had what might be characerized as, or suggestive of, yogi sex. Two different things. With your comments and change of subject/title, you may incorrectly leave the casual reader with the impression that: 1) all yogi sex is manipulative immature sex and/or 2) yogi sex doesn't exist, is just a cover for sexual and often perverted sexual gratification. My point is, while any number of abuses may have occurred in lots of ashrams, thats an issue in and of itself. That in no way diminishes the possibility of yogi sex, totally separate from abuses eslewhere by others, in which the primary purpose is energy transformation. Muktananda was probably a bad example of yogi sex. > IMO, both Hubbard and Muktananda were needing to suck in subtle energy > from the outside to maintain whatever powers they had and were losing > due to physical/mental deterioration. In a comprehensive, if not definitive biography of Gandhi, its said that in his later years, he would regularly sleep with two young virgins, one on each side, in reverse direction (their head at his feet, and vice versa) -- no sex involved. This was some yogi energy rejuvination method that Gandhi found quite effective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
If they were having sex with underage women, they should have been sucking in the subtle energy of a state prison. Sal On May 25, 2006, at 1:49 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: IMO, both Hubbard and Muktananda were needing to suck in subtle energy from the outside to maintain whatever powers they had and were losing due to physical/mental deterioration.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas? Yogi sex, yeah right
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/25/06 1:07 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > >> > >> I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true > >> yogii/yoginii is that s/he is "jitendri-yaH/-yaa" > >> (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has > >> to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson > >> is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one > >> is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 > > > > And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka > > awakened) yogis-- "energy always flowing upwards". I suspect that > > accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while > > having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation / > > stipulation of celibacy for students. > > > > The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in > > this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of > > as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis. > Muktananda had sex with underage daughters of close disciples in secret with a heavy amount of intimidation before and afterwards. The young ladies generally report having been freaked out. This is not "yogi sex" -- it's manipulative immature sex. There are similar reports about L Ron Hubbard, founder of scientology -- exact same type of sex under similar circumstances. I've read commentaries about Hubbard which state it was a way for him to draw energy out of the young woman for his own purposes. IMO, both Hubbard and Muktananda were needing to suck in subtle energy from the outside to maintain whatever powers they had and were losing due to physical/mental deterioration. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/25/06 1:07 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > >> > >> I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true > >> yogii/yoginii is that s/he is "jitendri-yaH/-yaa" > >> (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has > >> to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson > >> is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one > >> is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 > > > > And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka > > awakened) yogis-- "energy always flowing upwards". I suspect that > > accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while > > having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation / > > stipulation of celibacy for students. > > > > The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in > > this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of > > as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis. > > But another well-known guru allegedly didn't, and also allegedly ejaculated. > Can you ejaculate and yet have the energy always flowing upwards? I honestly > don't know. Just asking. Well, if you don't KNOW, you clearly aren't enlightened. :) Lets ask Jim and Dr. Pete their personal experience. :) I think its possible (at least partially) to separate ejaculation and orgasm. And orgasm can be "directed" and internalized. I am quite open to the possibility, indeed pretty sure, that accomplished yogis and tantrics can do amazing things with energy flows, marmas, chakras, pranas, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > >
> > I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true
> > yogii/yoginii is that s/he is "jitendri-yaH/-yaa"
> > (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has
> > to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson
> > is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one
> > is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0
>
> And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka
> awakened) yogis-- "energy always flowing upwards". I suspect that
> accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while
> having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation /
> stipulation of celibacy for students.
>
> The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in
> this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of
> as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis.
>
> And accomplished tantrics appear to be able to do special, unusual and
> "fantastic" things with energy during sex -- which may not involve
> energy release or downward flow.
Could be added to the "Rogue Yogi's Book of Pick-up Lines"
"My energy is always flow-upwards. Even sex does not effect this. Care
to have me prove it?"
Later ...
("Damn baby, this is the FIRST time the energy has changed directions
and went downwards-- and out. Well it must be because you are so
beautiful and spiritual.")
OR
"My energy is always flow-upwards. Even sex does not effect its upward
flow. You look so spiritual. I bet the same is true for you."
"Really? (giggle)"
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
on 5/25/06 1:07 PM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true >> yogii/yoginii is that s/he is "jitendri-yaH/-yaa" >> (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has >> to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson >> is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one >> is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 > > And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka > awakened) yogis-- "energy always flowing upwards". I suspect that > accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while > having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation / > stipulation of celibacy for students. > > The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in > this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of > as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis. But another well-known guru allegedly didn't, and also allegedly ejaculated. Can you ejaculate and yet have the energy always flowing upwards? I honestly don't know. Just asking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if > > > any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? > > > > > > > I always had my best experiences during meditation when I went > through > > long periods of celibacy. However, I came to the conclusion that > it > > is NOT compatible in our Western society and, indeed, can be > dangerous > > because around every corner is an advertisement or a TV show or a > > woman dressed in such a way that it entices your energy to go > down. > > So why torture yourself? > > > > I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true > yogii/yoginii is that s/he is "jitendri-yaH/-yaa" > (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has > to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson > is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one > is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 And I have seen Urdhva-retas (sp) mentioned on for accomplished (aka awakened) yogis-- "energy always flowing upwards". I suspect that accomplished yogis can keep the energy always flowing upwards while having sex. Something students can't do. Thus the recommendation / stipulation of celibacy for students. The article(s) on Muktananda provided some fuel for speculation in this direction -- that is, yogi sex is not what most people think of as sex. That is, he had sex with a flacid penis. And accomplished tantrics appear to be able to do special, unusual and "fantastic" things with energy during sex -- which may not involve energy release or downward flow. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister > wrote: > > > > > > What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if > > any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? > > > > I always had my best experiences during meditation when I went through > long periods of celibacy. However, I came to the conclusion that it > is NOT compatible in our Western society and, indeed, can be dangerous > because around every corner is an advertisement or a TV show or a > woman dressed in such a way that it entices your energy to go down. > So why torture yourself? > I seem to recall one of Krishna's criteria for a true yogii/yoginii is that s/he is "jitendri-yaH/-yaa" (jita + indriya-). I guess that means that one has to have conquered the indriyas. I think johnson is one of the karmendriyas (karma + indriyas), so if one is not able to spank the monkey, and so on :0 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if > any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? > I always had my best experiences during meditation when I went through long periods of celibacy. However, I came to the conclusion that it is NOT compatible in our Western society and, indeed, can be dangerous because around every corner is an advertisement or a TV show or a woman dressed in such a way that it entices your energy to go down. So why torture yourself? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if > any, are typical when one's trying to keep up brahmacarya? > If you are trying to be celebate, its not for you. Sadly, even if you are NOT trying to be celibate, it may not be for you, either... Think: Jon from Garfield... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Urdhva-retas?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What kind of negative or annoying side-effects, if > any, are typical when one's trying to keep up > brahmacarya? Not getting laid? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
