[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is the truth?

2005-11-12 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 From a friend of mine in Germany:
 
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 From: Peter Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Peter Rohr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:01:28 +0100
 To: NATHAN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Where is the truth?
 
  
 
 Peter,
 Thanks for nice and very free notes.
  I feel also some changes,
 but  I did not yet have find truth.
 Maybe because the truth is also a concept.
  
 By.
 M
  
  
 Dear M
  
 there is only one realm in which we cannot find truth: in the self
created
 realm of our mind where we dwell in expectation, hope and anticipation.
  
 When your mind functions in the hoping and wishing mode we somehow
deny the
 truth of the moment by separating us from what is.
  
 The Truth is aways in front of our eyes. The more we are present and
 participate with the realiyt of the moment the more the truth will
reveal
 itself to us.
  
 What is the most difficult thing in life?
 To see that which is in front of your eyes
 -Johann Wolfgang Goethe-
  
 The more you are spending time in hoping, anticipating, expecting,
dreaming
 and wishing the more space you will create between you and truth.
  
 You are spending to much time in looking for something that may only
exist
 in your imagination
  
 You are made out of truth, every cell and every neuron of your brain is
 reverberating and oscillating in the frequency of truth, you are
surrounded
 by nothing but truth, every thought you think, every emotion you
feel and
 every perception you undertake is nothing but the experience of truth.
  
 How can you say that you have not yet find the truth?
  
 What you are looking for?
  
 How can a fish being constantly in water be thirsty?
  
 Everything around you is not only an expression of truth but truth
itself.
  
 You are swimming in truth, truth is penetrating every fiber of your
being.
  
 The entire universe with its infinite space-time-geometry is nothing but
 truth.
  
 There is nothing in this existence that is not truth.
  
 Stop this nonsense of meditation if after decades of practise you
are still
 looking for truth. 
  
 Every part of truth that you can ever imagine is already there.
Nothing is
 missing. 
  
 All the glory of this world is truth; all the misery of this world
is truth,
 too. 
  
 Death, suffering, ageing, ignorance are also truth. The entire world
in all
 its phases of evolution is truth in the process of expression.
  
 It is not necessary to give up this worldly life to gain the Kingdom of
 God. 
 This world is itself the Kingdom of God.
 -Anasuya Devi-
  
 There is nothing that is wrong. Everything has its place. And
everything is
 working at it´s optimum.
  
 But we can only see and appreciate that when we are able to face
inner and
 outer reality without defence, without denial, without escape and
without
 rebellion against what is.
  
 Just stop searching and open your eyes or continue to search because
also
 this searching and seemingly not finding is also truth.
  
 Imagine: If you would start looking for your glases or contact lenses  -
 even though they are exactly there where they are supposed to be -
on your
 nose or already on your eyes - you would only delay the time to find
them.
  
 You already have all the experience you need.
 You need not gather any more; rather you must go beyond experience.
 Whatever effort you make, whatever method (sadhana) you follow,
 will merely generate more experience, but will not take you beyond.
 Nor will reading books help you.
 They will enrich your mind,
 but the person you are will remain intact.
 If you expect any benefits from your search,
 material, mental or spiritual, you have missed the point.
 Truth gives no advantage.
 It gives you no higher status, no power over others,
 all you get is truth and freedom from the false.
 -Sri Nirsagadatta Maharaj-
  
 Enjoy the truth of the moment that is right now revealing itself to you.
  
 Peter


For me truth or truthfulness is more a process. It means finding out
or seeing what has been hidden, concealed. Close to this understanding
comes the Greek word aletheia = truth, exposing the concealed.

I don't like the concept absolute truth. And I feel quite suspicious
about enlightened masters, who declare they have found it. At the very
minimum I consider their understanding to be quite limited, although I
don't doubt the authenticity of their experience.

For me truth means exposing distorted or limited notions in
both the inner and outer realities. It means also finding out aspects
and structures that so far have been hidden.
These hidden structures can be found both in the objective domain and
in the subjective and they can also be energies and emotions.

When something in the subject, I, gets revealed it is moved form the
I to the realm of objects. The mind is something the I can look at
and therefore it belongs to the domain of objects.

The mind is not felt as an outer world. It is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is the truth?

2005-11-12 Thread Jason Spock










 "truth or truthfulness is more a process."

The reality you perceive is the truth for you

 "For me truth means exposing distorted or limited notions in both the inner and outer realities"

 There can only one reality. Rest is all Maya, illusion.

---OriginalMessage--
From: "Irmeli Mattsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:46:30 -0000 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where is the truth? 

 For me truth or truthfulness is more a process. It means finding out or seeing what has been hidden, concealed. Close to this understanding comes the Greek word "aletheia" = truth, exposing the concealed.
 I don't like the concept "absolute truth". And I feel quite suspicious about enlightened masters, who declare they have found it. At the very minimum I consider their understanding to be quite limited, although I don't doubt the authenticity of their experience.
 For me truth means exposing distorted or limited notions in both the inner and outer realities. It means also finding out aspects and structures that so far have been hidden. These hidden structures can be found both in the objective domain and in the subjective and they can also be energies and emotions.
 When something in the subject, "I", gets revealed it is moved form the "I" to the realm of objects. The mind is something the "I" can look at and therefore it belongs to the domain of objects.
 The mind is not felt as an outer world. It is a new domain appearing in humans, a self-consciousness, a recognition of inner functions and structures, that the animals don't have. Also among humans there are huge differences in how evolved and conscious this domain of the mind is.
 Irmeli

 

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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where is the truth?

2005-11-12 Thread Paula Youmans































There can only one
reality. Rest is all Maya, illusion.























The more I think about this the more I
think another possibility exists, and that is no reality.

If it is seen at allits
already being taken through its 1st filterthe seer. 

I know its a lot like the tree
falling in the woods, but if something is being seen at all hasnt it
already changed? 

Meaning everything is an illusion?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is the truth?

2005-11-12 Thread Robert Gimbel
The Truth is always in the Present; not in the past and not in thee 
future; 
The Truth is Known always in the moment.
Pay attention to the moment, it contains all knowledge of the Truth.
At the finest level of reality, of creation, and please remember:
Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters.


-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 There can only one reality.  Rest is all Maya, illusion.
 
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 The more I think about this the more I think another possibility 
exists, and
 that is no reality.
 
 If it is seen at all.it's already being taken through its 1st 
filter.the
 seer. 
 
 I know it's a lot like the tree falling in the woods, but if 
something is
 being seen at all hasn't it already changed?  
 
 Meaning everything is an illusion?







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