[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: >> [...] Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, not defeating them. >>> >>> It's the same thing Lawson, defeating gravity is the same as >>> mastering it, it no longer affects you. >>> >> Affects you differently might be more accurate. >>> MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of the TM-Sidhis]. >>> >>> The laws "in the vicinity" of our planet are stupid? He clearly never >>> studied physics like he claimed then, for they are the same everywhere. >> >> The "laws of nature" are the devas, in Maharishi-speak. When they aren't >> dealt with appropriately, the behavior of the devas defaults to the laws of >> physics and so on. When they are dealt with appropriately, they can be >> reasoned with, or coaxed, or something, to behave in ways different than >> their default mode of conduct. >> >> Or something. > > Or something, yes. I sense we shouldn't be relying on these > guys for our science updates. > >> L >> > There is waking, dreaming, sleeping, and in meditation, TC. Any of these four can cross over each other in meditation. Some individuals have more leakage between these states than others, if some current research is correct. What happens if the mind is crossing between waking and dreaming and TC and something is introduced such as a conscious thought (I am relying on others here for the description of TM's sanyama)? There is one other situation in which waking and sleeping and dreaming cross over, and that is sleepwalking, and people have been reported to have done some rather astonishing things in this state. Could sanyama be a deliberate technique to foster this state?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > [...] > > > Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis > > > as concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of > > > nature, not defeating them. > > > > It's the same thing Lawson, defeating gravity is the same as > > mastering it, it no longer affects you. > > > > Affects you differently might be more accurate. > > > > > > MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet > > > were stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group > > > practice of the TM-Sidhis]. > > > > The laws "in the vicinity" of our planet are stupid? He clearly never > > studied physics like he claimed then, for they are the same everywhere. > > > > > The "laws of nature" are the devas, in Maharishi-speak. When they aren't > dealt with appropriately, the behavior of the devas defaults to the laws of > physics and so on. When they are dealt with appropriately, they can be > reasoned with, or coaxed, or something, to behave in ways different than > their default mode of conduct. > > Or something. Or something, yes. I sense we shouldn't be relying on these guys for our science updates. > L >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > [...] > > Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as > > concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, > > not defeating them. > > It's the same thing Lawson, defeating gravity is the same as > mastering it, it no longer affects you. > Affects you differently might be more accurate. > > > MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were > > stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of > > the TM-Sidhis]. > > The laws "in the vicinity" of our planet are stupid? He clearly never > studied physics like he claimed then, for they are the same everywhere. > The "laws of nature" are the devas, in Maharishi-speak. When they aren't dealt with appropriately, the behavior of the devas defaults to the laws of physics and so on. When they are dealt with appropriately, they can be reasoned with, or coaxed, or something, to behave in ways different than their default mode of conduct. Or something. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
"Well, John Hagelin convinced himself, just as MMY did, that success in the siddhis was "just around the corner," and his rhetoric for the past 30 years has reflected that." Two very different motivations, though. Maharishi saw it that way, as someone living an eternal life, in terms of the inevitability of success, vs. correlating it to a specific time-frame. Success may be just around the corner, but to Maharishi, it didn't matter that the block that needed to be traversed, to reach the corner, was immense. Hagelin, then, was just saying what his boss said. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing > > > samyama. IT don't matter how. > > > > It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws > > of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't > > > > > > Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as > concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, > not defeating them. > > MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were > stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of > the TM-Sidhis]. He never talked in terms of defeat. > > > > Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but > > > whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial > > > > The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will > > be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like > > that would be the whole point. > > > > Assuming that were possible, of course. However, the effect allegedly works > whether or not any person or group of people float or in fact, ever can float. > > > > as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about > > samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing > > samyama with specific sutras. > > > > > > I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works > > > until someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're > > > like John Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved > > > guru. > > > > Is that irony? I can't tell with you. > > > > Well, John Hagelin convinced himself, just as MMY did, that success in the > siddhis was "just around the corner," and his rhetoric for the past 30 years > has reflected that. > > L > > > > > > L: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? > > > > > > > > Wiki: > > > > > > > > Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration > > > > depth, the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each > > > > superconducting material has its own characteristic penetration depth. > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing > > > samyama. IT don't matter how. > > > > It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws > > of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't > > > > > > Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as > concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, > not defeating them. It's the same thing Lawson, defeating gravity is the same as mastering it, it no longer affects you. > MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were > stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of > the TM-Sidhis]. The laws "in the vicinity" of our planet are stupid? He clearly never studied physics like he claimed then, for they are the same everywhere. He never talked in terms of defeat. > > > > Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but > > > whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial > > > > The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will > > be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like > > that would be the whole point. > > > > Assuming that were possible, of course. However, the effect allegedly works > whether or not any person or group of people float or in fact, ever can float. > > > > as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about > > samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing > > samyama with specific sutras. > > > > > > I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works > > > until someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're > > > like John Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved > > > guru. > > > > Is that irony? I can't tell with you. > > > > Well, John Hagelin convinced himself, just as MMY did, that success in the > siddhis was "just around the corner," and his rhetoric for the past 30 years > has reflected that. I guess he has to say that, if anyone was to assemble the ranks in the dome and say that it's all obviously a load of crap it might affect sales somewhat. Still, you can always do it for pleasure... > L > > > > > > L: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? > > > > > > > > Wiki: > > > > > > > > Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration > > > > depth, the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each > > > > superconducting material has its own characteristic penetration depth. > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. > > IT don't matter how. > > It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws > of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't > > Even at its most extreme, I always took the rhetoric about the TM-Sidhis as concerning control or mastery, or at least working with the laws of nature, not defeating them. MMY used to say that the laws of nature in the vicinity of our planet were stupid and needed to be woken up [by group meditation and group practice of the TM-Sidhis]. He never talked in terms of defeat. > > Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but > > whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial > > The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will > be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like > that would be the whole point. > Assuming that were possible, of course. However, the effect allegedly works whether or not any person or group of people float or in fact, ever can float. > > as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama > and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with > specific sutras. > > > > I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until > > someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John > > Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. > > Is that irony? I can't tell with you. > Well, John Hagelin convinced himself, just as MMY did, that success in the siddhis was "just around the corner," and his rhetoric for the past 30 years has reflected that. L > > > L: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? > > > > > > Wiki: > > > > > > Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, > > > the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting > > > material has its own characteristic penetration depth. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
Um, dude...you can practice the TM-Siddhis program, in the comfort and privacy of your own home. Or you can practice it at a TM Center, free of charge. As for the actual flying being of no consequence, actually *doing* the practice, is the difference between thinking about Hawaii, and actually going there. As a result, there is more than enough progress happening, that the notion of physically flying becomes a big so what. The flying sutra is the most integrated one, for our physiology, but all the others kick ass, as well. No point in just focusing on that cherry on top. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Lawson has never spoken more true words here on FFL, whether or not anyone > ever levitates has nothing to do with the purpose of the TM-Sidhi program, > which is to keep a loyal following of starry eyed sycophants who will > continue to financially support the goons that run the Movement. > > > > > > From: salyavin808 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 1:54 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power? > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. > > IT don't matter how. > > It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws > of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't > > > Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but > > whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial > > The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will > be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like > that would be the whole point. > > as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama > and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with > specific sutras. > > > > I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until > > someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John > > Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. > > Is that irony? I can't tell with you. > > > L: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? > > > > > > Wiki: > > > > > > Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, > > > the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting > > > material has its own characteristic penetration depth. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
Lawson has never spoken more true words here on FFL, whether or not anyone ever levitates has nothing to do with the purpose of the TM-Sidhi program, which is to keep a loyal following of starry eyed sycophants who will continue to financially support the goons that run the Movement. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 1:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. IT > don't matter how. It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't > Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but whether > or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like that would be the whole point. as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with specific sutras. > > I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until > someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John > Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. Is that irony? I can't tell with you. > L: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? > > > > Wiki: > > > > Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, > > the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting > > material has its own characteristic penetration depth. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. IT > don't matter how. It matters if you are selling a *claim* of defeating the laws of nature and giving people super powers. But if you aren't > Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but whether > or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial The claimed effect of coherence in collective consciousness will be massivley enhanced if people float wouldn't it? Sounds like that would be the whole point. as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with specific sutras. > > I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until > someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John > Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. Is that irony? I can't tell with you. > L: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? > > > > Wiki: > > > > Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, > > the magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting > > material has its own characteristic penetration depth. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does YF need muscle power?
Yogic flying is all about getting off the ground while performing samyama. IT don't matter how. Legend claims that eventually people are able to sit in the air, but whether or not someone floats or ever has or ever will is immaterial as far as the purpose of the TM-Sidhis is concerned. IT's all about samyama and the physiological effect on the nervous system from doing samyama with specific sutras. I'd hold off on speculation on how levitation, floating stage, works until someone has shown levitation, floating stage. Otherwise, you're like John Hagelin, making public statements for the sake of his beloved guru. L: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > Is London penetration depth the reason why YF needs muscle power? > > Wiki: > > Near the surface, within a distance called the London penetration depth, the > magnetic field is not completely cancelled. Each superconducting material has > its own characteristic penetration depth. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect >
