RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
Actually that phrasing is ambiguous when it comes to something that's only speculative. It can mean either that you don't believe it exists, or that if it did exist, you'd be opposed to it. In the case of the death penalty, we know it exists, so I don't believe in it can only mean I'm opposed to it. In the case of Maharishi's remark, I don't believe in reincarnation could mean one or the other, but because we know he does believe in reincarnation, it can only mean he's opposed to it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : There's no distinction. I don't believe in it in this context is just the same as saying I don't believe in the death penalty even as people are sentenced to death. And it's just the same as the Buddhist monks protesting reincarnation in the cartoon. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LEnglish5@... Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi He didn’t say that. He said he was “opposed” to it. Get the distinction? Means he believes in it, but wants people to get liberated so they won’t reincarnate.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lengli...@cox.net Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi He didn’t say that. He said he was “opposed” to it. Get the distinction? Means he believes in it, but wants people to get liberated so they won’t reincarnate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey, I laughed, too... :-) https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1471352_595235260524265_2013215405_n.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists If you're going to quote the Rish, at least do it correctly. The exact quote is, Reincarnation? We are opposed to it. From my side, I laughed at this in spite of the fact that I've always assumed that Reformed Buddhists would be the ones marching around in front of monasteries carrying protest signs that say Repeal the First Noble Truth! :-) I mean, really. Try to find a justification for dedicating your life to the pursuit of enlightenment is life is *not* suffering. :-) From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 8:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey, I laughed, too... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
If you're going to quote the Rish, at least do it correctly. The exact quote is, Reincarnation? We are opposed to it. From my side, I laughed at this in spite of the fact that I've always assumed that Reformed Buddhists would be the ones marching around in front of monasteries carrying protest signs that say Repeal the First Noble Truth! :-) From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 8:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey, I laughed, too... :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LEnglish5@... Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi He didn’t say that. He said he was “opposed” to it. Get the distinction? Means he believes in it, but wants people to get liberated so they won’t reincarnate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey, I laughed, too... :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
I have heard he said it many different ways. Maharishi was repetitive; he had basically the same message for over 50 years. As he said to one teacher 'Haven't you noticed I say the same thing over and over again?' The subject of reincarnation I find intriguing because, from a spiritual point of view, exactly what does reincarnation mean? The typical thing seems to be there is some special something in you that survives death of the body and somehow re-inhabits another body later on, but I have never bought that explanation. I have always thought it had to do with how the mind fragments experience, that is reincarnation - embodiment - is something that happens in real time now, something that breaks the unity of experience into separate embodied pieces each of which, to the viewpoint of the mind, has a beginning, a birth, and an ending, a death. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LEnglish5@... Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi He didn’t say that. He said he was “opposed” to it. Get the distinction? Means he believes in it, but wants people to get liberated so they won’t reincarnate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey, I laughed, too... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
On 5/8/2014 1:12 PM, lengli...@cox.net wrote: Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Just as in the physical body of the embodied being is the process of childhood, youth, old age; similarly in the transmigration from one body to another the wise are never deluded. - BG 2:13. http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Articles/gita-reincarnation.html --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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On 5/8/2014 1:22 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Try to find a justification for dedicating your life to the pursuit of enlightenment is life is *not* suffering. :-) It's not all about you, Barry. The Buddha's First Noble Truth is the truth of suffering. At first this seems to be something anyone would reject, especially if you're having a good time in Amsterdam on a sunny day sitting at a cafe enjoying a latte. But, you need to realize that if */anyone, anywhere/* is suffering, then you're suffering too, that is, if you believe that we are all connected and you have any compassion at all. It's not all about you, Barry - it's about the suffering of others. You're just sounding like a typical prosperity preacher. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
There certainly seems to be something of us, existing beyond the body, and whatever that is, it doesn't care a whole lot about who we are, this time, or any other time, around. As important as we seem to ourselves, now, we are clearly disposable, in the service of that which is not. It is our consciousness that continues, using whatever vehicle becomes available, whether through this body, or the next one. Paradoxically, I would never treat this vessel in a cavalier way - it is all I have, right now. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I have heard he said it many different ways. Maharishi was repetitive; he had basically the same message for over 50 years. As he said to one teacher 'Haven't you noticed I say the same thing over and over again?' The subject of reincarnation I find intriguing because, from a spiritual point of view, exactly what does reincarnation mean? The typical thing seems to be there is some special something in you that survives death of the body and somehow re-inhabits another body later on, but I have never bought that explanation. I have always thought it had to do with how the mind fragments experience, that is reincarnation - embodiment - is something that happens in real time now, something that breaks the unity of experience into separate embodied pieces each of which, to the viewpoint of the mind, has a beginning, a birth, and an ending, a death. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LEnglish5@... Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi He didn’t say that. He said he was “opposed” to it. Get the distinction? Means he believes in it, but wants people to get liberated so they won’t reincarnate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey, I laughed, too... :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
On 5/8/2014 3:26 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: The subject of reincarnation I find intriguing because, from a spiritual point of view, exactly what does reincarnation mean? Maybe reincarnation means the soul or spirit of a person at death, taking on the body of another, and being reincarnated again based on one's accumulated karma - */a central tenet of Indian religions/*. The typical thing seems to be there is some special something in you that survives death of the body and somehow re-inhabits another body later on, but I have never bought that explanation. I have always thought it had to do with how the mind fragments experience, that is reincarnation - embodiment - is something that happens in real time now, something that breaks the unity of experience into separate embodied pieces each of which, to the viewpoint of the mind, has a beginning, a birth, and an ending, a death. This is just speculation. We know that metempsychosis happens because Barry and Rama both experienced it on several occasions and remembered several of their previous incarnations, so we have the advantage of verbal testimony - one guy still living in Leiden. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
In case anybody was confused, I was not suggesting that Reincarnation is for the ignorant was the only way he said it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I have heard he said it many different ways. (snip) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
Makes sense - the process is not uniquely human, just that we can apprehend it, and become aware of it, during our time as humans. So there must come a time when it is no longer *necessary* to continue to come back here, or anywhere else, though quite possibly a choice remains, even then, to take any form at all, anywhere we choose to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : In case anybody was confused, I was not suggesting that Reincarnation is for the ignorant was the only way he said it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I have heard he said it many different ways. (snip) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
I think by ignorant he meant not enlightened, not off the wheel. One of his better bons mots. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Makes sense - the process is not uniquely human, just that we can apprehend it, and become aware of it, during our time as humans. So there must come a time when it is no longer *necessary* to continue to come back here, or anywhere else, though quite possibly a choice remains, even then, to take any form at all, anywhere we choose to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : In case anybody was confused, I was not suggesting that Reincarnation is for the ignorant was the only way he said it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I have heard he said it many different ways. (snip) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
is that so? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I have heard he said it many different ways. Maharishi was repetitive; he had basically the same message for over 50 years. As he said to one teacher 'Haven't you noticed I say the same thing over and over again?' The subject of reincarnation I find intriguing because, from a spiritual point of view, exactly what does reincarnation mean? The typical thing seems to be there is some special something in you that survives death of the body and somehow re-inhabits another body later on, but I have never bought that explanation. I have always thought it had to do with how the mind fragments experience, that is reincarnation - embodiment - is something that happens in real time now, something that breaks the unity of experience into separate embodied pieces each of which, to the viewpoint of the mind, has a beginning, a birth, and an ending, a death. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LEnglish5@... Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi He didn’t say that. He said he was “opposed” to it. Get the distinction? Means he believes in it, but wants people to get liberated so they won’t reincarnate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey, I laughed, too... :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
This stuff is confusing - I meant that someone who is ignorant [of his basic nature] will continue, by necessity, to reincarnate, after which the ignorance is dispelled, incarnation may possibly continue to be an option. Is that what you meant?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I think by ignorant he meant not enlightened, not off the wheel. One of his better bons mots. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Makes sense - the process is not uniquely human, just that we can apprehend it, and become aware of it, during our time as humans. So there must come a time when it is no longer *necessary* to continue to come back here, or anywhere else, though quite possibly a choice remains, even then, to take any form at all, anywhere we choose to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : In case anybody was confused, I was not suggesting that Reincarnation is for the ignorant was the only way he said it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I have heard he said it many different ways. (snip) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either.
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Yes, the first part. I doubt he had coming back by choice post-ignorance in mind, though. Or at least it wasn't implied by that quip. Welcome back, by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : This stuff is confusing - I meant that someone who is ignorant [of his basic nature] will continue, by necessity, to reincarnate, after which the ignorance is dispelled, incarnation may possibly continue to be an option. Is that what you meant?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I think by ignorant he meant not enlightened, not off the wheel. One of his better bons mots. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Makes sense - the process is not uniquely human, just that we can apprehend it, and become aware of it, during our time as humans. So there must come a time when it is no longer *necessary* to continue to come back here, or anywhere else, though quite possibly a choice remains, even then, to take any form at all, anywhere we choose to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : In case anybody was confused, I was not suggesting that Reincarnation is for the ignorant was the only way he said it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I have heard he said it many different ways. (snip) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists
There's no distinction. I don't believe in it in this context is just the same as saying I don't believe in the death penalty even as people are sentenced to death. And it's just the same as the Buddhist monks protesting reincarnation in the cartoon. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LEnglish5@... Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reformed Buddhists Reincarnation? I don't believe in it -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi He didn’t say that. He said he was “opposed” to it. Get the distinction? Means he believes in it, but wants people to get liberated so they won’t reincarnate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey, I laughed, too... :-)
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Agreed, his bons-mottlement did not precisely cover such an eventuality. Thanks, I am happy to not be here again! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Yes, the first part. I doubt he had coming back by choice post-ignorance in mind, though. Or at least it wasn't implied by that quip. Welcome back, by the way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : This stuff is confusing - I meant that someone who is ignorant [of his basic nature] will continue, by necessity, to reincarnate, after which the ignorance is dispelled, incarnation may possibly continue to be an option. Is that what you meant?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I think by ignorant he meant not enlightened, not off the wheel. One of his better bons mots. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Makes sense - the process is not uniquely human, just that we can apprehend it, and become aware of it, during our time as humans. So there must come a time when it is no longer *necessary* to continue to come back here, or anywhere else, though quite possibly a choice remains, even then, to take any form at all, anywhere we choose to. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : In case anybody was confused, I was not suggesting that Reincarnation is for the ignorant was the only way he said it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : I have heard he said it many different ways. (snip) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Just to be picky, I don't believe in it can mean either I don't believe it exists or I'm opposed to it. If you're opposed to abortion, you might well say, I don't believe in abortion. Anyway, what I heard that he said was Reincarnation is for the ignorant, which is better than either.
