Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday This was sent to me by a friend. I’m not “in the loop” on any of this. Just passing it along. Jerry Jarvis sent this to John Hagelin the day before John posted his thing (Sunday), along with a cover note asking John to consider it and then to call Jerry. John responded, and told Jerry he'd consider it. But he never called Jerry to discuss before he sent out his message on Monday to the Certified Govs. Compare the two documents. Jerry's point is to show people the info and let them decide for themselves. From: George Hammond Sent: Sep 21, 2014 11:25 AM To: Subject: The Concerns Expressed to You Dear Jerry, In light of the concern some of your friends are kindly expressing on your behalf, I'd like to emphasize a few things we've already discussed: 1) The Explanations Maharishi wants me to convey are designed to dispel the fears many of his teachers have developed. These are not in any way designed to make any organizational change in the TM Movement or its leadership. They are also not in any way designed to give instructions to any individual. No one is being asked to listen and follow or anything of the kind. Each individual may hear, or not hear, these Explanations, and may do, or not do, in his or her own life whatever he or she thinks is appropriate afterwards. Maharishi is not interested in making anyone else's decisions for him. But he is very interested in sharing these Explanations because he is convinced they will dispel the unnecessary fears his beloved teachers are experiencing. 2) One reason Maharishi has taken the unorthodox approach of conversing with me like this, which he fully admits he strongly downplayed when he was physically alive, is that there is no other way to reach his teachers while they are still alive. And he is concerned, if they die afraid, that that might spoil their attraction to meditation and to improving their consciousness for some time to come, which is a tragedy he wants to avoid. That is his main motive for making an exception to his general rule about sticking to normal modes of communication. 3) That said, unlike how some people are representing this, Maharishi is not being channeled. I did not speak with his ghost. I was neither dreaming nor having a vision. I had a normal conversation with Maharishi. I was wide awake at the time the original conversation started and I stayed wide awake during the entire time. This has been true of all our conversations since the original conversation as well. None has occurred during my dreams and none can even remotely be characterized as either visionary or channeling. It is simply that the mind we knew well as Maharishi is of course not dead. And he is still just as recognizably unique a personality as he was during his life from 1918-2008. I do not claim that I spent anywhere near as much time with Maharishi as probably thousands of others did. But I did spend time with him, and I know him well, and I am confident no other being could fool me into believing that being was Maharishi. The feel of Maharishi's mind is so unique that it would take
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double standard.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double standard.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. There's nothing like a true narcissist to have to read all there is to read about themselves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double standard. Wait a second! If, as Ann suggests, Barry gives up his hypocrisy and double standard. And, If, as fleet suggests, Barry gives up being a jealous, raving lunatic. Then what's he got left? Have a heart, leave him something to cling to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double standard. Wait a second! If, as Ann suggests, Barry gives up his hypocrisy and double standard. And, If, as fleet suggests, Barry gives up being a jealous, raving lunatic. Then what's he got left? Have a heart, leave him something to cling to. Dan, as usual you are right. Shall we allow bawee to cling to this rock?
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PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. Nailed it! - signed woo woo boy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. There's nothing like a true narcissist to have to read all there is to read about themselves.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double standard. Wait a second! If, as Ann suggests, Barry gives up his hypocrisy and double standard. And, If, as fleet suggests, Barry gives up being a jealous, raving lunatic. Then what's he got left? Have a heart, leave him something to cling to. Better still:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double standard. Wait a second! If, as Ann suggests, Barry gives up his hypocrisy and double standard. And, If, as fleet suggests, Barry gives up being a jealous, raving lunatic. Then what's he got left? Have a heart, leave him something to cling to. Dan, as usual you are right. Shall we allow bawee to cling to this rock? Let's not be cruel to that lovely rock. Share, fleet, and I are kinda protective of our rocks.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. Nailed it! - signed woo woo boy Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Soultry Sounds From Eddie Holman View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. There's nothing like a true narcissist to have to read all there is to read about themselves.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. There's nothing like a true narcissist to have to read all there is to read about themselves. OK I added Barry to The Pity list, which is getting longer as we find out more. Do you think Barry will read this to read all about himself. I hope not.
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you sycophants can mock all you like - you are just trying to avoid the obvious - the Movement is a mess and Hagelin is running scared that this Hammond guy's event with Jerry Jarvis's support will seriously damage the Movement's attempt to sanitize its image and make everyone think its all vanilla ice cream. The fact that Jarvis has been a Movement straight arrow all these years and never walked away from Marshy even when the old geezer tossed Jarvis aside and marginalized his position in the TMO, and Jerry now stands behind Hammond's assertion that he is communicating directly with Marshy spells real trouble for the Movement. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. Nailed it! - signed woo woo boy Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl Soultry Sounds From Eddie Holman View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. PS bawee readsall posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. There's nothing like a true narcissist to have to read all there is to read about themselves.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you sycophants can mock all you like - you are just trying to avoid the obvious - the Movement is a mess and Hagelin is running scared that this Hammond guy's event with Jerry Jarvis's support will seriously damage the Movement's attempt to sanitize its image and make everyone think its all vanilla ice cream. The fact that Jarvis has been a Movement straight arrow all these years and never walked away from Marshy even when the old geezer tossed Jarvis aside and marginalized his position in the TMO, and Jerry now stands behind Hammond's assertion that he is communicating directly with Marshy spells real trouble for the Movement. Missing, We're not mocking. Quick, lock up your daughters! The Music Man - Trouble... right here in River City! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg The Music Man - Trouble... right here in River City! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg My favorite clip from my favorite musical of all time... don't even talk of remakes. Here Robert Preston, as con man par excellence Professor Harold Hill... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg Preview by Yahoo From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. Nailed it! - signed woo woo boy Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Soultry Sounds From Eddie Holman View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. There's nothing like a true narcissist to have to read all there is to read about themselves.
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Eh, anyone who thinks that the Movement is in MORE trouble than it was when Maharishi died is blind. The reduction in the TM fee, combined with the good press from teh DLF, the celebrity endorsements, the [slight] nod from the American Heart Association, and the ongoing phenomenal successes with PTSD, all comnbine tp put the TMO in a much better position, financially, and PR-wise, than it has been in since the Merv Giffith days. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you sycophants can mock all you like - you are just trying to avoid the obvious - the Movement is a mess and Hagelin is running scared that this Hammond guy's event with Jerry Jarvis's support will seriously damage the Movement's attempt to sanitize its image and make everyone think its all vanilla ice cream. The fact that Jarvis has been a Movement straight arrow all these years and never walked away from Marshy even when the old geezer tossed Jarvis aside and marginalized his position in the TMO, and Jerry now stands behind Hammond's assertion that he is communicating directly with Marshy spells real trouble for the Movement. Missing, We're not mocking. Quick, lock up your daughters! The Music Man - Trouble... right here in River City! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg The Music Man - Trouble... right here in River City! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg My favorite clip from my favorite musical of all time... don't even talk of remakes. Here Robert Preston, as con man par excellence Professor Harold Hill... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60hOgqLFGg Preview by Yahoo From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. Nailed it! - signed woo woo boy Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Soultry Sounds From Eddie Holman View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. There's nothing like a true narcissist to have to read all there is to read about themselves.
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On 9/26/2014 9:01 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. / //The TurquoiseB is obviously suffering from acute narcissism. Because he got kicked out of both the TMO and the Rama cult he needs to rewrite history and trash religious groups that he once belonged to /- //cognitive dissonance/ This activity is the first step for anyone wanting to begin a 12-step program. // // //Yet at the same time, the TB needs to show-off to current followers and write spiritual essays of the same teachers he trashes in an attempt to prove that he's been there and done that. By engaging in this neurotic activity any personal failures are covered-up by TB's dual positions. // // //The TB's ego presents to others the image of the special reporter insider: a widely traveled adventurer; an advanced spiritual seeker that has experienced samadhi and at the same time a hip science writer and wise-old mystic in a bohemian cafe./ / //Where is Dr.Pete when we need him?/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them.
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On 9/26/2014 10:11 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. /It would not surprise me if someone channels messages from Lenz to devotees in the future. Lenz followers already believe in psychic connections as well as spirits and demons./ http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/groups/lenz/remembrances.shtml
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. I know you from your writings only, and by that alone I know you to be EnLIGHTed. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double standard. Wait a second! If, as Ann suggests, Barry gives up his hypocrisy and double standard. And, If, as fleet suggests, Barry gives up being a jealous, raving lunatic. Then what's he got left? Have a heart, leave him something to cling to. Better still:
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Thank you. That is the perception of a *balanced intellect* (vs. merely a sharp one), and *clear heart* (vs. simply open). I first noticed it in 2005, that silence wasn't ever going away, no matter what I did, and that I am awake all the time. Since then, it has only gotten bigger and bigger and brighter. The sutras continue to perfect themselves - With me out of the way, it goes a lot faster, and no need to practice. It is a glorious, and peaceful feeling, to recognize that one is ever established in deep silence. However, I listened to Maharishi very carefully, and he always described the *progressive* richness, of a liberated man's life. So, the first thing I did, once my enlightenment seemed permanent, was set about to challenge it, and try to destroy that silence; proclaim it on FFL, and continue to stay focused on my numerous efforts, in the world - experience being the best teacher. Anyone worth their salt as a seeker, has seen a weekend or two of witnessing before, or had an unexplained experience...so I wasn't falling for that again, right out of the gate. It has worked out beautifully, and continues to expand, 9+ years on - I always set out to discover all that I can, about myself, and the world. With me out of the way, it becomes a great self teaching tool, and a very basic question, always left to answer, 'How happy am I? Any unfulfilled desires?', and off we go, to watch once again, as the universe miraculously crafts another perfect solution, for me, and another and another. Being successful 100% of the time is easy, once time becomes timeless; I always have, all the time, in the world, and the space necessary, to accomplish anything my heart desires. I continue to have desires, but they are no longer mine, nor are their fruits. I could not own any of it, even if I wanted to. Window shopping with incredible passion, love, and focus. Everything is already accomplished, including new intentions, yet to be uncovered. I am simply watching the replay, and what a show it is! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. I know you from your writings only, and by that alone I know you to be EnLIGHTed. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double
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Okay, I don't know if I mentioned this before. Maybe I did, but I did snicker when Barry made that great to-do about walking around Amsterdam and going in and out of the different dimensions. I think he had some newagey word for it. It reminded me of a couple of summers ago when my daughter and I took in New York in two days, walking most everywhere. Of course we noticed all the different neighborhoods, from China Town to Greenich Village to Midtown to Upper East Side to name just a few. I mean anyone would notice the different feel of the neighborhoods. The fact that someone would feel the need to frame it as the specialness of We traversed the different dimensions, and looked at one another with a look of remarkable synchronicity that we were dimensional travelers on a special journey just made me giggle a little. Look, it was special day for Barry. I don't mean to take anything from it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : My eyes hurt from rolling as much as they have reading about all of this. Living mainly among real-world Dutch people who don't tend to believe in Woo Woo, I sometimes forget how insane those who *do* believe in Woo Woo can get, and how strongly they feel that the things they believe in are rational, once they've invested in believing them. For a moment, I thought, Wow...at least I'm glad that most of the former Rama students seem to be more grounded than the former TM students, but then, only seconds afterwards, I stumbled upon something posted on FB by a young'un from that study who I don't know that made me roll my eyes even more: Yesterday, I met a Holistic Dentist in Ventura, CA who told me she had a life altering experience after meeting a turtle who spoke to her while scuba diving off the coast of Hawaii. There is no doubt in my mind that was Rama. I guess the lesson to be learned here is that there is simply no ceiling to the kinds of things people will believe if it makes them feel more self-important. If someone claimed to see Maharishi's face (or Rama's) on a piece of toast and that it talked to them, there are people out there whose brains are so weak that they'd consider it believable and would wait with 'bated breath to hear the message. We're just lucky that no one on FFL has claimed to be in beyond-the-grave contact with Guru Dev. Oh wait. That's already happened, hasn't it? Just goes to show ya that Woo Woo Insanity and I see dead people consciousness is pretty much everywhere. :-) And the difference between seeing those who have died (ghosts) and traveling through time portals and seeing the world as it was centuries ago as one walks the streets of Amsterdam is, exactly, what bawee? Get a grip, get real and cease, for one teeny beentsy moment, your hypocrisy and double standard.
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Mikey, you sound like a little boy who has an Uncle who is coming over to his house with a signed Derek Jeter baseball. Calm down son, it will likely all be a lot less than you anticipate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : you sycophants can mock all you like - you are just trying to avoid the obvious - the Movement is a mess and Hagelin is running scared that this Hammond guy's event with Jerry Jarvis's support will seriously damage the Movement's attempt to sanitize its image and make everyone think its all vanilla ice cream. The fact that Jarvis has been a Movement straight arrow all these years and never walked away from Marshy even when the old geezer tossed Jarvis aside and marginalized his position in the TMO, and Jerry now stands behind Hammond's assertion that he is communicating directly with Marshy spells real trouble for the Movement. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. Nailed it! - signed woo woo boy Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Eddie Holman Hey There Lonely Girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Soultry Sounds From Eddie Holman View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVq5RdLe9hs Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, omniscient as he is, since he doesn't read my posts, knows that I posted something about my personal experiences with Guru Dev, recently, and it completely blows his mind. He cannot cope with the fact that I am enlightened, either. Both facts blow away his world view so completely, it turns him into a jealous, raving lunatic. Sucks to be him. :-) The worst part about it, imo, is that the guy travels the world, yet his mind is stuck in this tiny little closet of prejudices, stories, and fantasies, missing out on the real world, completely. Sigh. I offer a collective sigh as well. Shall we also offer pity? If bawee isn't the one experiencing the woo woo then it is damnable woo woo and something to be scoffed at. But as long as he's the one nipping through portals and watching enlightened, afro-haired gurus hovering and surrounded in bliss-filled golden light then it's great. It's so great, in fact, that he will look down on us poor wretches who have failed to 'grok' it all and who, apparently, don't have the spiritual cojones to be worthy of such experiences. I mean, all you can do is laugh and feel a small tweak of empathy for the guy. I mean it. PS bawee reads all posts if simply to keep a tally of how many times his name comes up. There's nothing like a true narcissist to have to read all there is to read about themselves.
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Ricky writes: The TB's ego presents to others the image of the special reporter insider: a widely traveled adventurer; an advanced spiritual seeker that has experienced samadhi and at the same time a hip science writer and wise-old mystic in a bohemian cafe. Where is Dr.Pete when we need him? Ricky, when you can write a synopsis as cogent and clever as that one we don't need no Dr Pete.
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Hammond has to be a howling lunatic if he EVER thought the Movement would approve his doing this officially and in the Dome. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jerry email to John sent on Sunday This was sent to me by a friend. I’m not “in the loop” on any of this. Just passing it along. Jerry Jarvis sent this to John Hagelin the day before John posted his thing (Sunday), along with a cover note asking John to consider it and then to call Jerry. John responded, and told Jerry he'd consider it. But he never called Jerry to discuss before he sent out his message on Monday to the Certified Govs. Compare the two documents. Jerry's point is to show people the info and let them decide for themselves. From: George Hammond Sent: Sep 21, 2014 11:25 AM To: Subject: The Concerns Expressed to You Dear Jerry, In light of the concern some of your friends are kindly expressing on your behalf, I'd like to emphasize a few things we've already discussed: 1) The Explanations Maharishi wants me to convey are designed to dispel the fears many of his teachers have developed. These are not in any way designed to make any organizational change in the TM Movement or its leadership. They are also not in any way designed to give instructions to any individual. No one is being asked to listen and follow or anything of the kind. Each individual may hear, or not hear, these Explanations, and may do, or not do, in his or her own life whatever he or she thinks is appropriate afterwards. Maharishi is not interested in making anyone else's decisions for him. But he is very interested in sharing these Explanations because he is convinced they will dispel the unnecessary fears his beloved teachers are experiencing. 2) One reason Maharishi has taken the unorthodox approach of conversing with me like this, which he fully admits he strongly downplayed when he was physically alive, is that there is no other way to reach his teachers while they are still alive. And he is concerned, if they die afraid, that that might spoil their attraction to meditation and to improving their consciousness for some time to come, which is a tragedy he wants to avoid. That is his main motive for making an exception to his general rule about sticking to normal modes of communication. 3) That said, unlike how some people are representing this, Maharishi is not being channeled. I did not speak with his ghost. I was neither dreaming nor having a vision. I had a normal conversation with Maharishi. I was wide awake at the time the original conversation started and I stayed wide awake during the entire time. This has been true of all our conversations since the original conversation as well. None has occurred during my dreams and none can even remotely be characterized as either visionary or channeling. It is simply that the mind we knew well as Maharishi is of course not dead. And he is still just as recognizably unique a personality as he was during his life from 1918-2008. I do not claim that I spent anywhere near as much time with Maharishi as probably thousands of others did. But I did spend time with him, and I know him well, and I am confident no other being could fool me into believing that being was Maharishi. The feel of Maharishi's mind is so unique that it would take extremely subtle acting ability on the part of any being to pull off even a half-convincing impersonation. As just one example, Maharishi's unusual sense ofhumor would be very hard to duplicate and his humor has had ample opportunity to be expressed throughout our conversations. 4) As you know, several attempts were made to contact the TM Movement's leadership starting soon after the original conversation with Maharishi on January 2nd. At that time, Maharishi did want those leaders to organize the presentation in the Dome on February 2nd. When that proved not feasible, another option was proposed for July. But Maharishi's requirement that his Explanations be given only once and recorded and not given again, for the obvious reason that more than one version would produce endless nitpicking, was found to be too high a hurdle for the TM Movement's leadership to approve the use of the Dome, for the also obvious reason that whatever would be said in the Dome would most likely be construed as authorized. Given the competing reasonable positions, Maharishi proposed a solution that retained his one-time only requirement without asking his TM Movement's leadership to take such a leap without knowing the content. That solution was to have the presentation at a neutral site and the TM Movement's leadership could determine after the fact whether Maharishi's Explanations were of any
