Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-18 Thread Share Long
Ann, I think that the rounders have done what we all do. They have chosen 
activities that they think are most worthwhile given that we all have limited 
time. 





On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:17 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they 
can do!

That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is nothing 
else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, the 
conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it comes 
to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get it now?





On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, "awoelflebater@..."  
wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.": 
We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative 
traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks 
and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, 
common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very 
recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of 
the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!

What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
"normal" western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.


 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


 [Pietist, belief
in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine
[Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to
the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] –  ] 







Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-17 Thread Share Long
Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they 
can do!





On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's 
post on another thread ("power naps"): "Now, these long-term, incessant 
meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to 
compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.": 
We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative 
traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks 
and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, 
common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very 
recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of 
the mass of people induces a feeling of calm!

What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I 
think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in 
spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for 
hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but 
these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise 
"normal" western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's 
are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen 
the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to 
my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' 
better to do.


 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


 [Pietist, belief
in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine
[Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to
the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] –  ] 





RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-08 Thread doctordumbass
Right, that is the clarity needed to see the combinations of the gunas, in 
activity. The underlying mechanics. 
 

 Collectively, we've added a lot of rajas, and now sattva.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Doc, in Chap 4, vs 35 of the Gita, Maharishi explains that there is delusion 
in the state of tamas which is overcome by increasing rajas; delusion in the 
state of rajas is overcome by an increase of sattwa; but delusion in the state 
of sattwa, which is Arjuna's situation, can only be overcome by transcending 
the field of the 3 gunas. 
 

 

 From: "doctordumbass@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:12 AM
 Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 
 
   Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved 
formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome 
foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in 
Maharishi's translation of the BG.
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote: 
Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible 
futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape 
Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of 
life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas 
with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic 
problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. 
Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in 
this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. 
 
 From: "doctordumbass@..."  To: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: 
[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? 
   Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid 
combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible 
six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, 
given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical 
advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a 
way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. 
That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, 
is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is 
like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum 
quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It 
lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if 
human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic 
one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical 
advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. 
  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote: Pretty much 
guaranteed with that kind of mindset. 
 Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield 
with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me 
even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark. 
 




 

 
 

 
 

 
 
 
 




 
 

 
 



 
 
 





Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-08 Thread Share Long
Doc, in Chap 4, vs 35 of the Gita, Maharishi explains that there is delusion in 
the state of tamas which is overcome by increasing rajas; delusion in the state 
of rajas is overcome by an increase of sattwa; but delusion in the state of 
sattwa, which is Arjuna's situation, can only be overcome by transcending the 
field of the 3 gunas. 





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, 
or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation 
for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's 
translation of the BG.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible 
futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape 
Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of 
life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas 
with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic 
problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. 
Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in 
this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. 





 From: "doctordumbass@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid 
combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible 
six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible.

So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be 
technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must 
also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR 
combinations.

That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, 
is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is 
like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum 
quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It 
lowers friction, and speeds progress.

In terms of here,
 that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive 
force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern 
conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing 
ourselves up.



 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. 

Share wrote:


And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord 
Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even 
further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.






RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-08 Thread doctordumbass
Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, 
or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation 
for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's 
translation of the BG.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible 
futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape 
Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of 
life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas 
with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic 
problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. 
Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in 
this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. 
 

 

 From: "doctordumbass@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 
 
   Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid 
combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible 
six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, 
given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical 
advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a 
way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. 
That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, 
is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is 
like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum 
quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It 
lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if 
human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic 
one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical 
advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. 
  
 ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote: Pretty much 
guaranteed with that kind of mindset. 
 Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield 
with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me 
even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark. 
 




 

 
 

 
 




 
 
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-07 Thread Share Long
Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible 
futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape 
Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of 
life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas 
with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic 
problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. 
Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in 
this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. 





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid 
combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible 
six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible.

So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be 
technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must 
also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR 
combinations.

That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, 
is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is 
like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum 
quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It 
lowers friction, and speeds progress.

In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a 
Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our 
modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, 
blowing ourselves up.



 


---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. 

Share wrote:


And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord 
Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even 
further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.




Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-07 Thread Share Long
Seraphita, there are those who deny that the Holocaust ever happened. And there 
are those, like Eisenhower who would deny the deniers. These are quotes of his 
in wikipedia:


The same day[19] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I 
have never been able to describe my emotional reactions when I first 
came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and 
ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had 
known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain 
however, that I have never at any time experienced an equal sense of 
shock.
I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to
 be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these 
things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that 
"the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda". Some members of 
the visiting party were unable to go through with the ordeal. I not only
 did so but as soon as I returned to Patton's headquarters that evening I sent 
communications to both Washington and 
London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group 
of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national 
legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed 
before the American and the British publics in a fashion that would 
leave no room for cynical doubt.[20]
snip
The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and 
bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, 
where they [there] were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by 
starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would 
get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a 
position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the 
future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to 
"propaganda."[21]



 From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  


Imagine walking into a German museum and finding a book called "The Holocaust 
Myth Exploded"!



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-06 Thread Richard J. Williams

Is there in fact, any barbed wire around the pundit compound?

On 10/6/2013 10:56 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys
> sell MUM and its adjacent properties off, the various farmers
> around there might get some of the land, maybe Monroe
> Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run
> cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will
> house a lot of cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter
> times, the farmers will always wonder why the sheep fall
> asleep along about 5 pm.

That last line is very funny. LOL.

The pundit compound will be repurposed as a prison.
It's already got the barbed wire, after all.






Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-06 Thread Michael Jackson
very true - when I was there I found the majority of townspeople were really 
fine men and women - most of the farmers I met reminded me a good deal of the 
farmers I knew from South Carolina plain, unassuming folk with level heads and 
decent hearts. Maybe I just got lucky in the meeting folks department, but that 
is my assessment of the folks I knew - townies that is. 

There were a lot of good folk at MIU too, but they were mightily 
counterbalanced by the donkeys that ran MIU - but anyway.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
That's actually pretty funny, MJ, but Fairfield is a lot more than MUM. 

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys sell MUM and its 
adjacent properties off, the various farmers around there might get some of the 
land, maybe Monroe Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run 
cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will house a lot of 
cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter times, the farmers will always 
wonder why the sheep fall asleep along about 5 pm.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.  



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
 




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-06 Thread Michael Jackson
Oh, man I didn't think of that one!





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys
> sell MUM and its adjacent properties off, the various farmers
> around there might get some of the land, maybe Monroe
> Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run
> cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will
> house a lot of cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter
> times, the farmers will always wonder why the sheep fall
> asleep along about 5 pm.

That last line is very funny. LOL.

The pundit compound will be repurposed as a prison.
It's already got the barbed wire, after all.




RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-06 Thread feste37













Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?

2013-10-06 Thread Michael Jackson
Iowans are pretty smart -after Girish and the Srivastavas boys sell MUM and its 
adjacent properties off, the various farmers around there might get some of the 
land, maybe Monroe Hershberger and his Amish folk might buy some of it to run 
cattle on or make cheese - it'll be used well. The Domes will house a lot of 
cows, maybe few sheep or goats in the winter times, the farmers will always 
wonder why the sheep fall asleep along about 5 pm.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future?
 


  
Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.  



---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/