Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post - Siduri in the Epic of Gilgamesh

2013-08-27 Thread Ravi Chivukula 
Yes dear Emily - thank you for that, I'm the only true lover on this
planet, the rest are all pretenders.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:54 AM, emilymae.reyn wrote:

> Dear Bob, you get right to the heart of the matter, as always.  Have a
> facial on me.  I heard this the other day "love is absolute
> vulnerability".reminded me of Ravi (smile).
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bobpriced"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , Emily Reyn  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Bob, given what Siduri says, I would suggest that you get the
> > pedicure. Â Mean girl love, Emily
> >
> > Dear Emily,
> >
> > >
> > > Siduri is a character in the Epic of Gilgamesh. She is an
> > "alewife", a wise female divinity associated with fermentation.
> >
> >
> > ***Fermentation, with the correct formula of herbs and oils, is one of
> > the secrets of longevity.
> >
> >
> > >In the Old Babylonian version of the Epic, she attempts to dissuadeÂ
> > Gilgamesh in his quest forimmortality,
> >
> >
> > ***The secrets of immortality include: create something, and don't die.
> >
> >
> > >urging him to be content with the simple pleasures of life
> >
> >
> > ***The simple pleasure of enjoying the total internal reflection of a
> > diamond depends on the
> > complex process creating the proportions of a brilliant cut.
> >
> >
> > >(Gilgamesh, whither are you wandering?
> >
> >
> > ***Its my experience that self invention is addictive (you could also
> > check with Voldemort).
> >
> >
> > >Life, which you look for, you will never find.
> >
> >
> > ***I'm not sure we "put away childish things" although I'm convinced
> > "Love suffers long and is kind..."
> >
> >
> > >For when the gods created man, they let death be his share, and life
> > withheld in their own hands.
> >
> >
> > ***One of a number of reasons I'm disappointed that Robin no longer
> > graces this forum is that
> > he was one of the few I found here that understands a life well lived
> > requires death to be examined;
> > I was also curious to hear his thoughts on money, could they be related?
> >
> >
> > >Gilgamesh, fill your belly. Day and night make merry. Let >days be full
> > of joy, dance and make music day and night. And wear fresh clothes. And
> > wash your head and bathe.
> >
> >
> > ***I'm working to rectify my truncated childhood.
> >
> >
> > >Look at the child that is holding your hand, >and let your wife delight
> > in your embrace. These things alone are the concern of men.)[1]Siduri's
> > advice was recorded in the Old Babylonian version of >Tablet X referred
> > to as the Meissner fragment.
> >
> >
> > ***If men could follow these suggestions perhaps the relative barbarity
> > of gassing and shelling would no longer
> > be so much of concern of a for us.
> >
> >
> > I'll be visiting the SPA today.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: bobpriced bobpriced@
> > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > > >Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:15 PM
> > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Â
> > > >
> > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "Jason"  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ---  "bobpriced" bobpriced@ wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > As I'm sure he knows, I'm a huge fan of Turq's posts; so I'm
> > wondering
> > > >> > if anyone
> > > >> > would be kind enough to translate this one for me, particularly
> > the last
> > > >> > paragraph.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSjwU8gEsI
> > 
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> Hey Bob, it's so nice to have you here.  You add color and
> > > >> an extra dimension to this group.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think you scared Barry which is why he doesn't reply to
> > > >> you.
> > > >>
> > > >> We are geneticaly hardwired to see symmetrical faces and
> > > >> clear skin as attractive.  It indicates the genetic health
> > > >> of the individual, resistance to infections etc.  Perhaps it
> > > >> does irk him a bit when a woman gets attrracted to a baldy
> > > >> like MMY.
> > > >>
> > > >> There are 6 categories of immune systems in humans and it's
> > > >> reflected in facial features and smell.  You are attracted
> > > >> to someone with a complementary immune system.  You are not
> > > >> attracted to someone with a similar immune system.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's a mechanism by nature to prevent in-breeding. It also
> > > >> ensures that the ofspring are healthy and have better immune
> > > >> systems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Thanks Jason, I plan to read more about this; it could explain why
> > all the wives are brunettes and I'm blond and our children are all
> > Eurasian, and why
> > > >mosquitoes within 100 miles want to make a meal out of me and never
> > lay a glove on them. I'm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post - Siduri in the Epic of Gilgamesh

2013-08-27 Thread Emily Reyn 
Dear Bob, given what Siduri says, I would suggest that you get the pedicure.  
Mean girl love, Emily

Siduri is a character in the Epic of Gilgamesh. She is an "alewife", a wise 
female divinity associated with fermentation. In the Old Babylonian version of 
the Epic, she attempts to dissuade Gilgamesh in his quest forimmortality, 
urging him to be content with the simple pleasures of life (Gilgamesh, whither 
are you wandering? Life, which you look for, you will never find. For when the 
gods created man, they let death be his share, and life withheld in their own 
hands. Gilgamesh, fill your belly. Day and night make merry. Let days be full 
of joy, dance and make music day and night. And wear fresh clothes. And wash 
your head and bathe. Look at the child that is holding your hand, and let your 
wife delight in your embrace. These things alone are the concern of 
men.)[1]Siduri's advice was recorded in the Old Babylonian version of Tablet X 
referred to as the Meissner fragment.




>
> From: bobpriced 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:15 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
> 
>
>
>  
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> ---  "bobpriced" bobpriced@ wrote:
>> >
>> > As I'm sure he knows, I'm a huge fan of Turq's posts; so I'm wondering
>> > if anyone
>> > would be kind enough to translate this one for me, particularly the last
>> > paragraph.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSjwU8gEsI
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>> Hey Bob, it's so nice to have you here.  You add color and 
>> an extra dimension to this group.
>> 
>> I think you scared Barry which is why he doesn't reply to 
>> you.
>> 
>> We are geneticaly hardwired to see symmetrical faces and 
>> clear skin as attractive.  It indicates the genetic health 
>> of the individual, resistance to infections etc.  Perhaps it 
>> does irk him a bit when a woman gets attrracted to a baldy 
>> like MMY.
>> 
>> There are 6 categories of immune systems in humans and it's 
>> reflected in facial features and smell.  You are attracted 
>> to someone with a complementary immune system.  You are not 
>> attracted to someone with a similar immune system.
>> 
>> It's a mechanism by nature to prevent in-breeding. It also 
>> ensures that the ofspring are healthy and have better immune 
>> systems.
>
>
>Thanks Jason, I plan to read more about this; it could explain why all the 
>wives are brunettes and I'm blond and our children are all Eurasian, and why
>mosquitoes within 100 miles want to make a meal out of me and never lay a 
>glove on them. I'm thinking it may also explain why I'm attracted to 
>multilingual  women who speak English as a second or third language; unlike 
>that ungrateful sod Murdoch (remember she almost took a pie in the face for 
>him)---who, just after filing for divorce, was overheard telling a friend that 
>after 15 years of marriage he realized had never understood what Wendi was 
>saying---I happen to believe that not speaking the same first language as your 
>spouse has some real advantages. I mean, just this morning, the wife asked me 
>if I would consider getting a pedicure as she is getting fed up with the 
>scratches I'm leaving on her lovely long legs in the night. After standing 
>there for a minute, I decided to quote her from my favorite "overcoming the 
>monster" plot:
>
>"Gilgamesh said, 'I dreamed again. We stood in a deep gorge of the mountain, 
>and beside it we two were like the smallest of swamp flies; and suddenly the 
>mountain fell, it stuck me and caught my feet from under me. Then came an 
>intolerable light blazing out, and in it was one whose grace and whose beauty
>were greater than the beauty of this world. He pulled me out from under the 
>mountain, he gave me water to drink and my heart was comforted, and he set my 
>feet on the ground.'" 
>
>The wife's comment was: "What if I pay half?"     
>  
>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > >
>> > > ---  Michael Jackson mjackson74@...:
>> > > >
>> > > > That is interesting - I don't understand why you deplore
>> > > > the act because of who he did it with? You know the
>> > > > women and don't like them or what?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > ---  turquoiseb@...:
>> >
>> > > I'm going to steer your thread in a slightly different
>> > > direction, if you don't mind. For me, one of the most
>> > > puzzling things about the whole spiritual-teachers-
>> > > boning-their-students thang is that often I really,
>> > > really don't "get" the attraction, from the woman's
>> > > side.
>> > >
>> > > Call me guilty of being a lifelong straight guy, but
>> > > I simply don't understand women who would find Maharishi
>> > > Mahesh Yogi sexually *attractive* enough to want to have
>> > > sex with him. Charismatic, maybe, depending on your stan-
>> > > dards for that concept. The next thing to god in their
>> > > minds, possibly.
>> > >
>> > > But sexually attractive? I just don

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-26 Thread Share Long 
exactly! or better yet, Internet helping me work on my issues (-:





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
Yeah, happens once in awhile. I figure free is free, and Yahoo isn't really a 
critical app, so if stuff is late or gets lost/double posted, nothing to be 
concerned about. 

Probably just the Internet in Kali Yuga. ;-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Jeez! Doc I don't know when you sent this but I just now received it in my 
> inbox. AND I've already replied to you via Message View. Grr, which I 
> really don't like doing because those don't go to my Sent folder. Ok, just 
> venting about yahoo who is really messing up for the last couple of weeks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:48 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
> 
> 
> 
>   
> If you are talking about Strontium-90 in the milk, this has been known about 
> for the last 50 years. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Jason, what makes me take the concept of Kali Yuga literally is the fact 
> > that truth about our world often appears mainly or only in novels and 
> > movies. An example is the Nick Nolte, Julia Roberts movie I Love Trouble 
> > that was all about cancer producing chemicals in milk. BEFORE this was well 
> > known! And this is reportedly an aspect of Kali Yuga, that truth is 
> > presented as fiction. Also the reverse, falsehood is presented as truth, 
> > such as we see too often in politics.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Jason 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:12 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > ---  Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > We were all born in Kali Yuga, which means none of us had what it took to 
> > > get enlightened for the three previous yugas. 
> > > 
> > > Yep, toads.  All of us.
> > > 
> > > Seriously, is it any wonder that we ended up HOPPING as our spiritual 
> > > practice?
> > > 
> > > Edg
> > > 
> > 
> > Good to see you here,Duvey.
> > 
> > The concept of Yugas is a symbolic, allegorical, figurative 
> > representation of the Cyclical nature of the Universe and 
> > the ecosystem itself.
> > 
> > Day becomes night, Summer becomes winter, periodic ice ages 
> > come and go, even the brightness of the sun seems to 
> > occilate in cycles.
> > 
> > Life forms grow, reproduce, die and the cycle continues for 
> > generations.  Your cells eat, digest, take in energy, 
> > eliminate waste matter and the cycle continues.
> > 
> > This cyclical aspect of Nature is represented in the Yuga 
> > concept.  Don't take it literaly.  As Barry points out the 
> > actual 'Kali Yuga' is just a myth.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > ---  "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You got what you deserved Edg.  How'z" come you weren't
> > > > > born during Ramana Maharishi's time?  How"z" come that?
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---  Duveyoung wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How'z'come it is that we always ask, "Why did Maharishi
> > > > > > have sex?" instead of: "Why in the fuck are we such
> > > > > > spiritual toads that he's all we could muster up for
> > > > > > a guru?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > ---  turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gotta agree with Steve on this one, Edg. TMers
> > > > got pretty much what they deserved, because they
> > > > showed all the discrimination of this woman, when
> > > > utilizing the services of a Ghostbuster. And with
> > > > the same result:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/24/ghostbuster-exorcism-with-penis\
> > > > _n_3809865.html
> > > > 
> > > >  > > > s_n_3809865.html>
> > > > Who ya gonna call?  :-)
> > > >
> > > > OK, I get that all of this is a joke, but it is
> > > > important IMO to remember that "Kali Yuga" does
> > > > not exist. It's a made-up human term for a made-
> > > > up division of time that does not and has never
> > > > existed. 
> > > >
> > > > That said, and to continue with your joke, I 
> > > > noticed that no one ever really dealt with the
> > > > actual *issue* I brought up about whether the
> > > > Rish actually had any sexual charisma or even
> > > > attractiveness to explain how he managed to get
> > > > a few women to have sex with him. People avoided 
> > > > that issue like the plague, playing "shoot the 
> > > > messenger" instead, like always. 
> > > >
> > > > So I'll piggyback (or frogback) off Edg's joke
> > > > to pass along the words of at least three TM
> > > > women who, even though still part of the TMO,
> > > > *weren't* afrai

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-26 Thread Share Long 
Yay for Radiance Dairy!





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 12:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Ah, thanks. There is a dairy here, Berkeley Farms, which doesn't 
> sell organic milk, but their milk is BGH free. I buy it when I can.

Quite a few brands of supermarket milk are BGH-free
these days, apparently due to consumer demand. I'm
actually more concerned about the welfare of the cows
than BGH's effects on me.

I get USDA-certified organic milk at Stop & Shop, their
house brand, Nature's Promise. I *think* it's produced
by Stonyfield, one of the better organic brands. However,
sadly, it's ultra-pasteurized.

Stop & Shop also sells Horizon (boo hiss) and regular
branded Stonyfield organic milk for 25 cents more per
quart. All ultra-pasteurized.

Not too long ago I ran out of milk unexpectedly and had
to get a quart of nonorganic milk from the nearby 7-Eleven.
Watery and tasteless compared to the organic (and I drink
only skim milk).

Anybody who's interested in independent ratings of organic
milk brands, see here:

http://www.cornucopia.org/dairysurvey/index.html

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sharelong60"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Doc I'd have to watch the movie again to find out.
> > 
> > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=I+love+trouble
> > 
> > > Whatever it was, it was something that wasn't generally known
> > > about or talked about.
> > 
> > It was about an evil chemical company selling hormones
> > to milk producers for their cows that the company knew
> > caused cancer in those who drank the milk. (Actually the
> > movie wasn't "about" that; it was a romantic comedy with
> > a mystery. The cancer-causing hormone aspect wasn't
> > revealed to be the solution to the mystery until near
> > the end of the film.)
> > 
> > The FDA approved the use of synthetic bovine growth
> > hormone in 1993. The movie came out in 1994. There's
> > always been controversy about whether the hormone is 
> > safe for humans, but there have been many studies, and
> > there's no conclusive evidence that it's a threat
> > (although it causes health problems in cows, making
> > them more vulnerable to mastitis, which means they're
> > given more antibiotics, and *that* may be the real
> > threat to human health).
> > 
> > Bottom line, the movie did not reveal anything that was
> > not already generally known, and it's fictional in that
> > we do *not* know that this hormone causes cancer in
> > humans; as noted, there's no hard evidence to that
> > effect.
> > 
> > *Natural* estrogen found in cows' milk *has* been linked
> > (though not conclusively) to increased rates of certain kinds of cancers. 
> > But that
> > has nothing to do with bovine growth hormone.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you are talking about Strontium-90 in the milk, this has been known 
> > > > about for the last 50 years. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason, what makes me take the concept of Kali Yuga literally is the 
> > > > > fact that truth about our world often appears mainly or only in 
> > > > > novels and movies. An example is the Nick Nolte, Julia Roberts movie 
> > > > > I Love Trouble that was all about cancer producing chemicals in milk. 
> > > > > BEFORE this was well known! And this is reportedly an aspect of Kali 
> > > > > Yuga, that truth is presented as fiction. Also the reverse, falsehood 
> > > > > is presented as truth, such as we see too often in politics.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-26 Thread Share Long 
Jeez! Doc I don't know when you sent this but I just now received it in my 
inbox. AND I've already replied to you via Message View. Grr, which I 
really don't like doing because those don't go to my Sent folder. Ok, just 
venting about yahoo who is really messing up for the last couple of weeks.





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:48 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
If you are talking about Strontium-90 in the milk, this has been known about 
for the last 50 years. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Jason, what makes me take the concept of Kali Yuga literally is the fact that 
> truth about our world often appears mainly or only in novels and movies. An 
> example is the Nick Nolte, Julia Roberts movie I Love Trouble that was all 
> about cancer producing chemicals in milk. BEFORE this was well known! And 
> this is reportedly an aspect of Kali Yuga, that truth is presented as 
> fiction. Also the reverse, falsehood is presented as truth, such as we see 
> too often in politics.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Jason 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:12 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> ---  Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > We were all born in Kali Yuga, which means none of us had what it took to 
> > get enlightened for the three previous yugas. 
> > 
> > Yep, toads.  All of us.
> > 
> > Seriously, is it any wonder that we ended up HOPPING as our spiritual 
> > practice?
> > 
> > Edg
> > 
> 
> Good to see you here,Duvey.
> 
> The concept of Yugas is a symbolic, allegorical, figurative 
> representation of the Cyclical nature of the Universe and 
> the ecosystem itself.
> 
> Day becomes night, Summer becomes winter, periodic ice ages 
> come and go, even the brightness of the sun seems to 
> occilate in cycles.
> 
> Life forms grow, reproduce, die and the cycle continues for 
> generations.  Your cells eat, digest, take in energy, 
> eliminate waste matter and the cycle continues.
> 
> This cyclical aspect of Nature is represented in the Yuga 
> concept.  Don't take it literaly.  As Barry points out the 
> actual 'Kali Yuga' is just a myth.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > ---  "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You got what you deserved Edg.  How'z" come you weren't
> > > > born during Ramana Maharishi's time?  How"z" come that?
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > ---  Duveyoung wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > How'z'come it is that we always ask, "Why did Maharishi
> > > > > have sex?" instead of: "Why in the fuck are we such
> > > > > spiritual toads that he's all we could muster up for
> > > > > a guru?"
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > ---  turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > > Gotta agree with Steve on this one, Edg. TMers
> > > got pretty much what they deserved, because they
> > > showed all the discrimination of this woman, when
> > > utilizing the services of a Ghostbuster. And with
> > > the same result:
> > > 
> > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/24/ghostbuster-exorcism-with-penis\
> > > _n_3809865.html
> > > 
> > >  > > s_n_3809865.html>
> > > Who ya gonna call?  :-)
> > >
> > > OK, I get that all of this is a joke, but it is
> > > important IMO to remember that "Kali Yuga" does
> > > not exist. It's a made-up human term for a made-
> > > up division of time that does not and has never
> > > existed. 
> > >
> > > That said, and to continue with your joke, I 
> > > noticed that no one ever really dealt with the
> > > actual *issue* I brought up about whether the
> > > Rish actually had any sexual charisma or even
> > > attractiveness to explain how he managed to get
> > > a few women to have sex with him. People avoided 
> > > that issue like the plague, playing "shoot the 
> > > messenger" instead, like always. 
> > >
> > > So I'll piggyback (or frogback) off Edg's joke
> > > to pass along the words of at least three TM
> > > women who, even though still part of the TMO,
> > > *weren't* afraid to deal with the issue. All
> > > three described the idea of having sex with
> > > Maharishi using the exact same same words:
> > >
> > > "Have sex with that squat little toad? E."
> > >
> > > Appropriate somehow that the spiritual practice
> > > he brought to the world was hopping like a frog. :-)
> > >
> > > As for the issue of his attractiveness or non-,
> > > any women here who had sexual fantasies about
> > > Maharishi (requited or unrequited) are invited
> > > to share them with us to provide a counterpoint.
> > >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-26 Thread Share Long 
Obbajee, don't worry, I think I've gotten a little wiser about all that since 
first joining FFL. Happy fox hunting!





 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:25 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
Share, what I meant about the questions about brothers or sisters or cousins. 
This would be for those of us who have romanticized any of our special heroes 
at the Funny Farm. Dreaming of "oh, what a smart person he/she appears, I 
imagine us on a dessert island and no one else to see, what-could-happen.  In 
reality, the meeting could be awkward as hell!  The first glimpse may make 
one's face embarrassingly and noticeably disappointed to the magical, Captain 
America or Wonder Woman, we thought each other as.
(The above only applies to those who are using the Funny Farm to search the 
friendly skies for a mate)
I am not implying Ann owns a Funny Farm. No bones about it. :)
This is the Funny Farm Lounge, FFL Yahoo Message Group. 
There is a plethora avatars here, who have a bunch of skeletons in the closet!  
So the main reason to ask for example, the Turq, if he has brothers or cousins, 
in my case, would be even if I had imagined him to be a hunk online FFL at 
maybe one paragraph somewhere, that question will be able to smooth over any 
personal mating thoughts I may have had about him for only a smidgin of a 
second, and politely keep him in the conversation but asking if he has cute 
brothers, or cousins, because they could not all be a freak, just because one 
is. 
Does this answer your question, Share?

Off to the polo club. Gotta get ready for the fox hunt at Ann's. 
Ann, do you fox hunt? ;) 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> dear Obbajee, simply platonic is hunky dory with me. But not sure what you 
> mean by the question to turq about having any brothers, sisters or cousins? 
> Do you mean we would make everyday kind of conversation? All I can say is 
> that I've gone from email relating to living together and there can be a few 
> surprises for sure (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:51 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
> 
> 
> 
>   
> Share, don't mind if I do.
> If we at the Funny Farm Lounge, and its occupants got together, we would find 
> we were all like in some way and we will be asking each other for example; 
> "Turq, do you have any brother's or sisters? Cousins?"
> 
> In conclusion to this, the party at Ann's will be simply platonic! 
> Come and join the fun!
> If this reads, BORING!..when we go back to our rooms for the evening, alone, 
> we can hook up to Ann's WIFI and write and share things via email as to what 
> we imagined the wonderful person is via the Funny Farm Lounge.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Jason, makes me wonder what would happen if we could smell the 
> > Funny Farm Lounge and its occupants (-:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Jason 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:28 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > ---  Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jason, it's this kind of insightful input that makes me glad you've 
> > > returned to the forum. I also appreciated your post about the 6 kinds of 
> > > immune system and complementary immune systems being the basis of sexual 
> > > attraction. I had not previously heard about either aspect of the immune 
> > > system though I was familiar with the idea of facial symmetry.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I googled on 6 types of immune systems and didn't find anything 
> > > definitive. Are the 6 types of systems based on the types of immune cells?
> > > 
> > 
> > Share, I heard this a number of times on the discovery 
> > channel.  I think you should be able to find if by googling 
> > "discovery" along "immune systems" and "attraction".
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_odor_and_subconscious_human_sexual_attraction
> > 
> > https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/6/l_016_08.html
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Jason 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > turquoiseb:
> > > > >
> > > > > To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to 
> > > > > the chase...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > ---  "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over 
> > > > tall buildings; you would have mind control and be 
> > > > able to predict the future, so you could avoid the 
> > > > dangers that lie ahead. Go figure.
> > > > 
> > > > Free will would be like being a God - able to cause 
> > > > change at will.
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. 
> > > > 
> > > > We all follow the la

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-25 Thread Ravi Chivukula 
Guys, guys - come one why these long faces? You should be happy that you
were lucky enough to be alive during Raja Ravi's time.


On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:32 PM, turquoiseb wrote:

>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" 
> wrote:
> >
> > You got what you deserved Edg.  How'z" come you weren't
> > born during Ramana Maharishi's time?  How"z" come that?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
> > >
> > > How'z'come it is that we always ask, "Why did Maharishi
> > > have sex?" instead of: "Why in the fuck are we such
> > > spiritual toads that he's all we could muster up for
> > > a guru?"
>
> Gotta agree with Steve on this one, Edg. TMers
> got pretty much what they deserved, because they
> showed all the discrimination of this woman, when
> utilizing the services of a Ghostbuster. And with
> the same result:
>
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/24/ghostbuster-exorcism-with-penis_n_3809865.html
>
> Who ya gonna call?  :-)
>
>
>
>
> 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-25 Thread Share Long 
What did you think I meant?!






 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
Share, I misread your question to Jason.

Eww!  If any of the Funny Farm Lounge contestants sit as long at a computer 
as we think each other does, I could imagine the scent of mildew (especially 
for the Turq) forming after an innocent clean shower, one may not dry off well 
enough and decide to sit for a while in the same position, and the scientific 
combination of a dark, warm, moist place usually is the perfect P-tree dish for 
mold and mildew. Hence a smell a bit like a wet towel one throws into the 
hamper with an old sock? 
Maybe the Turq can do us an experiment:
One washed clean body
One half used clean and dry towel
One chair
One computer
One moment of anger at Judy (well, a few times to create some heat.)
One chia seed.

After washing, dry with towel kind of quickly. Run to the computer and sit on 
the chair.  Place the chia seed between your two cuttie cheeks, you know, the 
cheeks you sit on. Be sure to place the chia seed where is get very little 
light. 
Then enjoy all the work you do including filtering FFL Yahoo Message Board and 
please do get annoyed at Auth's posts, this will help with the heat exchange 
between (heh) chia seed and tweeky cheeks.
Allow yourself to view Ravi's name and get a bit sweaty, knowing he is young 
and robust and smart too.
Then be sure to ignore Mr. Bob Price, because that is internal aggravation 
which may spur a growthof the chia seed. :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jason, makes me wonder what would happen if we could smell the Funny 
> Farm Lounge and its occupants (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Jason 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:28 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> ---  Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Jason, it's this kind of insightful input that makes me glad you've 
> > returned to the forum. I also appreciated your post about the 6 kinds of 
> > immune system and complementary immune systems being the basis of sexual 
> > attraction. I had not previously heard about either aspect of the immune 
> > system though I was familiar with the idea of facial symmetry.
> > 
> > 
> > I googled on 6 types of immune systems and didn't find anything definitive. 
> > Are the 6 types of systems based on the types of immune cells?
> > 
> 
> Share, I heard this a number of times on the discovery 
> channel.  I think you should be able to find if by googling 
> "discovery" along "immune systems" and "attraction".
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_odor_and_subconscious_human_sexual_attraction
> 
> https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/6/l_016_08.html
> 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Jason 
> > 
> > > 
> > > turquoiseb:
> > > >
> > > > To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to 
> > > > the chase...
> > > >
> > > >
> > ---  "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  wrote:
> > >
> > > If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over 
> > > tall buildings; you would have mind control and be 
> > > able to predict the future, so you could avoid the 
> > > dangers that lie ahead. Go figure.
> > > 
> > > Free will would be like being a God - able to cause 
> > > change at will.
> > > 
> > > Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. 
> > > 
> > > We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body 
> > > in motion tends to stay in motion, etc.
> > > 
> > > That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new,
> > > transcendental force into the universe. 
> > > 
> > > Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest.
> > > 
> > > LoL!
> > > 
> > > If we had free will we could see into the future, or
> > > go back in the past and change things. If we had 
> > > free will we could ignore social morals and not even
> > > consider a moral reciprocity. We could forget about
> > > responsibility. We could do what we want, when we
> > > want, and that would be the whole of the law.
> > >
> > > Maybe so.
> > > 
> > > But, if you had free will you could go back into the 
> > > past and cause change at will. If you had free will 
> > > you could have seen into the future and read my post 
> > > before I sent it, and willed me to post something 
> > > different. But, the past is the past, and you cannot
> > > go back and change nary a line. A body in motion tends
> > > to stay in motion. That is, unless I willed you to
> > > respond to my post. Go figure.
> > >
> > >
> >  From: Jason 
> >
> > The analogy given in indian, hindu philosophy is that of a 
> > Cow tied to a stake, with a long rope in a grass field.
> > 
> > Within the space of the radius of the rope, the cow has the 
> > freedom to graze here or there.  However, the cow cannot go 
> > beyond the radius

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-25 Thread Share Long 
dear Obbajee, simply platonic is hunky dory with me. But not sure what you mean 
by the question to turq about having any brothers, sisters or cousins? Do you 
mean we would make everyday kind of conversation? All I can say is that I've 
gone from email relating to living together and there can be a few surprises 
for sure (-:





 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:51 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
Share, don't mind if I do.
If we at the Funny Farm Lounge, and its occupants got together, we would find 
we were all like in some way and we will be asking each other for example; 
"Turq, do you have any brother's or sisters? Cousins?"

In conclusion to this, the party at Ann's will be simply platonic! 
Come and join the fun!
If this reads, BORING!..when we go back to our rooms for the evening, alone, we 
can hook up to Ann's WIFI and write and share things via email as to what we 
imagined the wonderful person is via the Funny Farm Lounge.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jason, makes me wonder what would happen if we could smell the Funny 
> Farm Lounge and its occupants (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Jason 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:28 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> ---  Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Jason, it's this kind of insightful input that makes me glad you've 
> > returned to the forum. I also appreciated your post about the 6 kinds of 
> > immune system and complementary immune systems being the basis of sexual 
> > attraction. I had not previously heard about either aspect of the immune 
> > system though I was familiar with the idea of facial symmetry.
> > 
> > 
> > I googled on 6 types of immune systems and didn't find anything definitive. 
> > Are the 6 types of systems based on the types of immune cells?
> > 
> 
> Share, I heard this a number of times on the discovery 
> channel.  I think you should be able to find if by googling 
> "discovery" along "immune systems" and "attraction".
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_odor_and_subconscious_human_sexual_attraction
> 
> https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/6/l_016_08.html
> 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Jason 
> > 
> > > 
> > > turquoiseb:
> > > >
> > > > To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to 
> > > > the chase...
> > > >
> > > >
> > ---  "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  wrote:
> > >
> > > If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over 
> > > tall buildings; you would have mind control and be 
> > > able to predict the future, so you could avoid the 
> > > dangers that lie ahead. Go figure.
> > > 
> > > Free will would be like being a God - able to cause 
> > > change at will.
> > > 
> > > Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. 
> > > 
> > > We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body 
> > > in motion tends to stay in motion, etc.
> > > 
> > > That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new,
> > > transcendental force into the universe. 
> > > 
> > > Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest.
> > > 
> > > LoL!
> > > 
> > > If we had free will we could see into the future, or
> > > go back in the past and change things. If we had 
> > > free will we could ignore social morals and not even
> > > consider a moral reciprocity. We could forget about
> > > responsibility. We could do what we want, when we
> > > want, and that would be the whole of the law.
> > >
> > > Maybe so.
> > > 
> > > But, if you had free will you could go back into the 
> > > past and cause change at will. If you had free will 
> > > you could have seen into the future and read my post 
> > > before I sent it, and willed me to post something 
> > > different. But, the past is the past, and you cannot
> > > go back and change nary a line. A body in motion tends
> > > to stay in motion. That is, unless I willed you to
> > > respond to my post. Go figure.
> > >
> > >
> >  From: Jason 
> >
> > The analogy given in indian, hindu philosophy is that of a 
> > Cow tied to a stake, with a long rope in a grass field.
> > 
> > Within the space of the radius of the rope, the cow has the 
> > freedom to graze here or there.  However, the cow cannot go 
> > beyond the radius of the rope.  The rope represents karma. 
> > 
> > Basicaly there are two types of karma, 'prabadha karma' 
> > which cannot be changed and 'sachita karma' which can be 
> > changed as your have the freedom to take decisions.
> > 
> > The unchangable aspect of karma is fate or distiny.  This is 
> > what people generaly refer to a karma.  There is no free 
> > will here.
> > 
> > The changable aspect of karma can be altered with some free 
> > will is given only to entities with intellect.  On earth 
> > humans are the only entities with intellect, thus we have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-25 Thread Share Long 
Thanks, Jason, makes me wonder what would happen if we could smell the Funny 
Farm Lounge and its occupants (-:





 From: Jason 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  


---  Share Long  wrote:
>
> Jason, it's this kind of insightful input that makes me glad you've returned 
> to the forum. I also appreciated your post about the 6 kinds of immune system 
> and complementary immune systems being the basis of sexual attraction. I had 
> not previously heard about either aspect of the immune system though I was 
> familiar with the idea of facial symmetry.
> 
> 
> I googled on 6 types of immune systems and didn't find anything definitive. 
> Are the 6 types of systems based on the types of immune cells?
> 

Share, I heard this a number of times on the discovery 
channel.  I think you should be able to find if by googling 
"discovery" along "immune systems" and "attraction".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_odor_and_subconscious_human_sexual_attraction

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/6/l_016_08.html

> 
> 
>  From: Jason 
> 
> > 
> > turquoiseb:
> > >
> > > To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to 
> > > the chase...
> > >
> > >
> ---  "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  wrote:
> >
> > If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over 
> > tall buildings; you would have mind control and be 
> > able to predict the future, so you could avoid the 
> > dangers that lie ahead. Go figure.
> > 
> > Free will would be like being a God - able to cause 
> > change at will.
> > 
> > Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. 
> > 
> > We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body 
> > in motion tends to stay in motion, etc.
> > 
> > That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new,
> > transcendental force into the universe. 
> > 
> > Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest.
> > 
> > LoL!
> > 
> > If we had free will we could see into the future, or
> > go back in the past and change things. If we had 
> > free will we could ignore social morals and not even
> > consider a moral reciprocity. We could forget about
> > responsibility. We could do what we want, when we
> > want, and that would be the whole of the law.
> >
> > Maybe so.
> > 
> > But, if you had free will you could go back into the 
> > past and cause change at will. If you had free will 
> > you could have seen into the future and read my post 
> > before I sent it, and willed me to post something 
> > different. But, the past is the past, and you cannot
> > go back and change nary a line. A body in motion tends
> > to stay in motion. That is, unless I willed you to
> > respond to my post. Go figure.
> >
> >
>  From: Jason 
>
> The analogy given in indian, hindu philosophy is that of a 
> Cow tied to a stake, with a long rope in a grass field.
> 
> Within the space of the radius of the rope, the cow has the 
> freedom to graze here or there.  However, the cow cannot go 
> beyond the radius of the rope.  The rope represents karma. 
> 
> Basicaly there are two types of karma, 'prabadha karma' 
> which cannot be changed and 'sachita karma' which can be 
> changed as your have the freedom to take decisions.
> 
> The unchangable aspect of karma is fate or distiny.  This is 
> what people generaly refer to a karma.  There is no free 
> will here.
> 
> The changable aspect of karma can be altered with some free 
> will is given only to entities with intellect.  On earth 
> humans are the only entities with intellect, thus we have 
> some limited free will.
> 
> The reason is, only entites with intellect have choices. 
> Lower order animals have no choices, their behaviour is 
> bound by instincts.  Thus your free will is limited to the 
> amount of choices you have.
> 
> > turquoiseb:
> > > 
> > > IF you believe
> > > that Nature runs things
> > > and you don't really
> > > have any Free Will
> > > with which to "decide"
> > > what to do
> > > 
> > > DID you ever
> > > have a choice about
> > > whether to meditate
> > > or not?
> > > 
> > > :-)
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many
> > > > weren't so committed to lowering it to their level.
> > > >
> > > > That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand
> > > > that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion
> > > > on the subject of free will in the past...
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a
> > > > > pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all.
> > > >
> > > > IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing
> > > along
> > > > with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would
> > > > an os

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-25 Thread Share Long 
Jason, it's this kind of insightful input that makes me glad you've returned to 
the forum. I also appreciated your post about the 6 kinds of immune system and 
complementary immune systems being the basis of sexual attraction. I had not 
previously heard about either aspect of the immune system though I was familiar 
with the idea of facial symmetry.


I googled on 6 types of immune systems and didn't find anything definitive. Are 
the 6 types of systems based on the types of immune cells?



 From: Jason 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:23 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  

> 
> turquoiseb:
> >
> > To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to 
> > the chase...
> >
> >
---  "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  wrote:
>
> If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over 
> tall buildings; you would have mind control and be 
> able to predict the future, so you could avoid the 
> dangers that lie ahead. Go figure.
> 
> Free will would be like being a God - able to cause 
> change at will.
> 
> Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. 
> 
> We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body 
> in motion tends to stay in motion, etc.
> 
> That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new,
> transcendental force into the universe. 
> 
> Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest.
> 
> LoL!
> 
> If we had free will we could see into the future, or
> go back in the past and change things. If we had 
> free will we could ignore social morals and not even
> consider a moral reciprocity. We could forget about
> responsibility. We could do what we want, when we
> want, and that would be the whole of the law.
>
> Maybe so.
> 
> But, if you had free will you could go back into the 
> past and cause change at will. If you had free will 
> you could have seen into the future and read my post 
> before I sent it, and willed me to post something 
> different. But, the past is the past, and you cannot
> go back and change nary a line. A body in motion tends
> to stay in motion. That is, unless I willed you to
> respond to my post. Go figure.

The analogy given in indian, hindu philosophy is that of a 
Cow tied to a stake, with a long rope in a grass field.

Within the space of the radius of the rope, the cow has the 
freedom to graze here or there.  However, the cow cannot go 
beyond the radius of the rope.  The rope represents karma. 

Basicaly there are two types of karma, 'prabadha karma' 
which cannot be changed and 'sachita karma' which can be 
changed as your have the freedom to take decisions.

The unchangable aspect of karma is fate or distiny.  This is 
what people generaly refer to a karma.  There is no free 
will here.

The changable aspect of karma can be altered with some free 
will is given only to entities with intellect.  On earth 
humans are the only entities with intellect, thus we have 
some limited free will.

The reason is, only entites with intellect have choices. 
Lower order animals have no choices, their behaviour is 
bound by instincts.  Thus your free will is limited to the 
amount of choices you have.

> turquoiseb:
> > 
> > IF you believe
> > that Nature runs things
> > and you don't really
> > have any Free Will
> > with which to "decide"
> > what to do
> > 
> > DID you ever
> > have a choice about
> > whether to meditate
> > or not?
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many
> > > weren't so committed to lowering it to their level.
> > >
> > > That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand
> > > that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion
> > > on the subject of free will in the past...
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a
> > > > pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all.
> > >
> > > IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing
> > along
> > > with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would
> > > an ostensible teacher of enlightenment be any more special than any
> > > other being, or what they "teach" a "gift?"
> > >
> > > I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature
> > > intends, then how could anything such a "teacher of enlightenment"
> > > do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will
> > > theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that
> > > *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow,
> > > or whatever you choose to call it.
> > >
> > > Enlightened, schmightened. If there is No Free Will, and no one has
> > > the ABILITY to change what is going to happen to them (because
> > > Nature is "running" all of that shit), then how can any "teaching" by
> > > any supposed "t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-24 Thread Share Long 
Richard, what resonates as true for me is Maharishi saying that there's 100% 
determinism and 100% free will. Now if that doesn't deserve a *Go figure* I 
don't know what does!

He also said that no matter our karma, the present moment is the most powerful. 
So for me, this tips the scale slightly in the direction of free will.




 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
Share Long:
> Welcome back, Richard!
>
If we had free will we could see into the future, or
go back in the past and change things. If we had 
free will we could ignore social morals and not even
consider a moral reciprocity. We could forget about
responsibility. We could do what we want, when we
want, and that would be the whole of the law.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-24 Thread Share Long 
Well I felt pretty free when I wrote welcome back. GF!





 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
Share Long:
> Welcome back, Richard!
>
If we had free will we could see into the future, or
go back in the past and change things. If we had 
free will we could ignore social morals and not even
consider a moral reciprocity. We could forget about
responsibility. We could do what we want, when we
want, and that would be the whole of the law.

> > To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to 
> > the chase...
> >
> If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over 
> tall buildings; you would have mind control and be 
> able to predict the future, so you could avoid the 
> dangers that lie ahead. Go figure.
> 
> Free will would be like being a God - able to cause 
> change at will.
> 
> Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. 
> 
> We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body 
> in motion tends to stay in motion, etc.
> 
> That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new,
> transcendental force into the universe. 
> 
> Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest.
> 
> LoL!
> 
> > IF you believe
> > that Nature runs things
> > and you don't really
> > have any Free Will
> > with which to "decide"
> > what to do
> > 
> > DID you ever
> > have a choice about
> > whether to meditate
> > or not?
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many
> > > weren't so committed to lowering it to their level.
> > >
> > > That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand
> > > that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion
> > > on the subject of free will in the past...
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a
> > > > pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all.
> > >
> > > IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing
> > along
> > > with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would
> > > an ostensible teacher of enlightenment be any more special than any
> > > other being, or what they "teach" a "gift?"
> > >
> > > I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature
> > > intends, then how could anything such a "teacher of enlightenment"
> > > do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will
> > > theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that
> > > *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow,
> > > or whatever you choose to call it.
> > >
> > > Enlightened, schmightened. If there is No Free Will, and no one has
> > > the ABILITY to change what is going to happen to them (because
> > > Nature is "running" all of that shit), then how can any "teaching" by
> > > any supposed "teacher of enlightenment" be seen as having been
> > > instrumental in any of his/her students realizing enlightenment?
> > >
> > > Nature handles that shit, according to your theory. Not the seeker,
> > > and not the teacher. IF your theory is correct, and there is No Free
> > > Will, there is simply no possibile way to affect one's own future. It
> > > wouldn't matter how many "teachers of enlightenment" you met;
> > > Nature controls whether you're going to realize your own enlight-
> > > enment...not the teachers, and not you.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-24 Thread Share Long 
Welcome back, Richard!





 From: richardatrwilliamsdotus 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 1:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  


turquoiseb:
> To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to 
> the chase...
>
If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over 
tall buildings; you would have mind control and be 
able to predict the future, so you could avoid the 
dangers that lie ahead. Go figure.

Free will would be like being a God - able to cause 
change at will.

Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. 

We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body 
in motion tends to stay in motion, etc.

That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new,
transcendental force into the universe. 

Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest.

LoL!

> IF you believe
> that Nature runs things
> and you don't really
> have any Free Will
> with which to "decide"
> what to do
> 
> DID you ever
> have a choice about
> whether to meditate
> or not?
> 
> :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many
> > weren't so committed to lowering it to their level.
> >
> > That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand
> > that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion
> > on the subject of free will in the past...
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a
> > > pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all.
> >
> > IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing
> along
> > with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would
> > an ostensible teacher of enlightenment be any more special than any
> > other being, or what they "teach" a "gift?"
> >
> > I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature
> > intends, then how could anything such a "teacher of enlightenment"
> > do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will
> > theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that
> > *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow,
> > or whatever you choose to call it.
> >
> > Enlightened, schmightened. If there is No Free Will, and no one has
> > the ABILITY to change what is going to happen to them (because
> > Nature is "running" all of that shit), then how can any "teaching" by
> > any supposed "teacher of enlightenment" be seen as having been
> > instrumental in any of his/her students realizing enlightenment?
> >
> > Nature handles that shit, according to your theory. Not the seeker,
> > and not the teacher. IF your theory is correct, and there is No Free
> > Will, there is simply no possibile way to affect one's own future. It
> > wouldn't matter how many "teachers of enlightenment" you met;
> > Nature controls whether you're going to realize your own enlight-
> > enment...not the teachers, and not you.
> >
> > :-)
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-24 Thread Bhairitu 
Or that TM is some mystical "lost technique" dredged up from the annals 
of time when it is really nothing more than common beej (this is the way 
Indians pronounce "bija") mantras when many Indians know and use without 
any kind of initiation.


On 08/24/2013 05:58 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
A lot of people did and some do still think M was a saintly superhuman 
God-man on a pedestal. I was just curious as to how folks dealt with 
the idea he wasn't.




*From:* Alex Stanley 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:45 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, Michael Jackson 
 wrote:

>
>
> My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did
> you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it?
> Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what?

OMG! MMY was an ordinary human and not a saintly superhuman God-man on 
a pedestal! That means all those meditations were a complete waste! I 
am devastated! DEVASTATED, I TELL YOU! What's next? You gonna tell 
me that King Tony not only has a penis, but that he actually used it? 
Twice!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-24 Thread Michael Jackson 
That is interesting - I don't understand why you deplore the act because of who 
he did it with? You know the women and don't like them or what?





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way 
> about FFL

I've given my answer to your question about Maharishi below,
but for the record, Buck's "theory" on this point is belied
by what Rick has up on FFL's home page about what the group
is for. Take a look:

"Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion 
about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, 
morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. 
creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic 
astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, 
kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, 
Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/


> My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or
> did you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying
> about it? Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what?

I have no doubt that he did. I don't presume to know what
it means in the cosmic scheme of things. Seems to me entirely
possible that it was "in accord with the laws of Nature," as
Rory proposes. After all, Krishna tells Arjuna that not even
the enlightened can know what Nature's purposes are
("Unfathomable is the course of action"). Personally, I
deplore his philandering because of who he philandered *with*,
but it doesn't affect what I think of his teaching.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-24 Thread Michael Jackson 
For those of us who live afar from Fairfield, can you tell us who the saint is 
that is visiting FF?





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:05 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  
Dear MJ,  we have more to resolve about the ad hominem homids trolling this 
list but I do appreciate that you are trying to help the community here by 
attempting to furnish more substantial spiritual content to the list by 
presenting these questions.  They are substantial points and it will be 
especially interesting to watch how the next generation of teachers move around 
them. 

Actually there is a living saint in town today having a satsang this weekend on 
the immortality of the soul and virtue of character.  [appropriate FF topic].   
With all the dissonance around here the topic seems quite relevant to resolving 
in the meditating community. 

My advice of feeling to the current leadership of the TM.org is to just show 
they are "not that" and move forward in a transparent way doing good works.  
Keep with "we are not that, we are this..." and move forward.  They got to do a 
much better job of leadership on this or that David Wants to Fly video that is 
so freely available on the internet every time you do a google search for TM 
will come up impugning the whole TM character.   I got chores to finish and 
then go sit with a saint today.  But I'll be back much later to talk some more 
about about this and also Ad hominemism on the FFL, we all have a lot more to 
worry over around the Ad hominem as terroristic abuse issue yet.

Have a Nice Day,
-Buck 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> How'z'come it is that we always ask, "Why did Maharishi have sex?" instead 
> of: "Why in the fuck are we such spiritual toads that he's all we could 
> muster up for a guru?"
> 
> Edg -- Toad #3,589
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > OK, in keeping with Buck's theory of FFL posts being in some way about FFL, 
> > I have an offering, based on the tenuous fact of past habitation in FF and 
> > at the mighty Maharishi U.
> > 
> > I have a friend who is a dedicated TM meditator (sidha actually) whom I met 
> > at my local TM center here almost 40 years ago. We worked together on staff 
> > for the team of governors who taught the sidhis here in both North and 
> > South Carolina yea those many years ago. 
> > 
> > 
> > This friend is not only a devout TM meditator, but a devout Christian with 
> > strong Christian values. Over the course of these past few years he has 
> > been wrestling with the idea of Maharishi having allegedly had sex and 
> > lying about it to both cover and continue the behavior. 
> > 
> > 
> > For this friend, these allegations are sort of a lynchpin to his whole 
> > feeling about TM. He has been very surprised to talk with sidhas and 
> > especially governors who were around Maharishi and have become convinced he 
> > was sexually active, but don't seem to care, feeling that TM itself and 
> > whatever they personally experienced was more important than his being able 
> > to lie and sexually manipulate women.
> > 
> > For myself, the sexual content of M's life is just symptomatic of a 
> > systemic problem - he wanted to have certain things (sex, money, to be 
> > looked on as the savior of the world) and to get those things he had to 
> > create a persona of a spiritual leader (easy to do since he had so much 
> > charisma) and lie to get what he wanted, with a desire to see people 
> > improve them selves and the world as a background. 
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I believe that that background got forgotten about and pushed 
> > really into the background more and more as the years went by and his self 
> > aggrandizing hedonistic behavior took over more and more.
> > 
> > 
> > My friend on the other hand still has the idea that Maharishi was 
> > enlightened, and that since the definition M gave of enlightenment in many 
> > places such as the commentary on the Bhagavad Gita is very specific as to 
> > the enlightened person upholding all the laws of nature for everyone, never 
> > does anything that is not life supporting for anyone etc, that it would 
> > have been impossible for Maharishi to sneak around doing things that were 
> > unethical and lie about it.
> > 
> > So for him, the sexual allegations are paramount, if he decides that M was 
> > sexually active and lying about it, it calls into question the whole 
> > teaching because it means M was not enlightened and therefore could not 
> > have known by experience what enlightenment is.
> > 
> > My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did you deal 
> > with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it? Do you think he 
> > did, and it doesn't matter or what?
> > 
> > For me, I do believe it and it was just part of what became an increasingly 
> > deceptive

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post

2013-08-24 Thread Michael Jackson 
A lot of people did and some do still think M was a saintly superhuman God-man 
on a pedestal. I was just curious as to how folks dealt with the idea he wasn't.





 From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 8:45 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
>
> My question to everyone who cares to answer is how do you or did
> you deal with the idea of Maharishi having sex and lying about it?
> Do you think he did, and it doesn't matter or what?

OMG! MMY was an ordinary human and not a saintly superhuman God-man on a 
pedestal! That means all those meditations were a complete waste! I am 
devastated! DEVASTATED, I TELL YOU! What's next? You gonna tell me that 
King Tony not only has a penis, but that he actually used it? Twice!