Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Aw, that's so sweet. I like raunchydog all the time, but then again, she's part of the cult I'm in. Share, is that one of the criteria - do I have to like the people in the cult you've assigned me to? Or, can I think they are a bit overbearing at times with tactics I don't approve of to keep other members in line. Should I care about what they wear? From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 8:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Okay. Yes she does much of what you say. At other times she appears so deferential to Judy, that that comparison came to mind. I retract the comparison. But as to the other entity in the relationship, Shift, the ape, I still reserve judgement. I like the raunchydog. (at least most of the time anyway) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Steve, you can't be serious.  Are you being ironic?  Raunchy puts out some of the most creative, ballsy, insightful, and individual posts here.  You don't think she can think for herself?  From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT  Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. And good for you for applauding Ravi's intelligence put to such good use here. Maybe that is why you remind me so much of Puzzle, the silly ass donkey in the The Chronicles of Narnia. The one who was so easily manipulated and couldn't really think for himself. (and that is putting it mildly)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything. Pay no attention to Steve, folks. He's just jealous that Ravi's I.Q. is over 100.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
A, that's so sweet. Can I have a glass of wine to with it? And here I've been, reciting the Lord's Prayer to ward off the evil spirits. From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: Thank you for recognizing my brilliance Robin. I know it's taken you a while. After these flame wars settle down some, I'll try to clue you in on what makes a valid comparison, and what does not. If I forget, remind me. Your Friend in Christ, Steve Dear Steve, I'm in to the Christ consciousness of the Unified Field too. -Buck Then let me take you in my embrace. Let us pray: Dear Lord, these have been trying times at FFL. Really, we had a few days of calm, but it pretty much all busted open starting last night. And Lord, I am perplexed. How can it be that people who are like minded about so many things, can have such vehement disagreements? Even in your wisdom Lord, I don't know if you can adequately answer this. Lord, include me and Ravi in your prayers. I feel that some measure of reconciliation has taken place between us, and I thank you for that. And bless Share, and Emily, and Judy, and the Raunchdog. (I know Lord that that name is a little peculiar, but she is a fine person. She is someone I would want to have on my team.) And Lord, forget not our dear friend in Canada, Robin Woodsworth Carlson. A fine fellow he is, who only recently came out from his seclusion. Help him Lord to be understood properly. And also Irantea, and Xeno, and all the others I haven't mentioned here Lord, including Barry, and even Curtis. Okay, even Vaj. Thank you Lord. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: You can't believe what you say here, Emily. You are defensive and subjective and desperate. That's the way it comes across. You act as if these features of raunchy are self-evident. I guess they are. No, this was a factual post--finally. I guess I have to change my mind. This is called no-brainer objectification of subjectivity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Steve, you can't be serious.  Are you being ironic?  Raunchy puts out some of the most creative, ballsy, insightful, and individual posts here.  You don't think she can think for herself?  From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT  Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. And good for you for applauding Ravi's intelligence put to such good use here. Maybe that is why you remind me so much of Puzzle, the silly ass donkey in the The Chronicles of Narnia. The one who was so easily manipulated and couldn't really think for himself. (and that is putting it mildly)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything. Pay no attention to Steve, folks. He's just jealous that Ravi's I.Q. is over 100.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Awwsome, that's so sweet. Ravi, I've never heard this before. You pay more child support than anyone I know; there is something to be said for that. From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT The beauty of one person's soul revealed in this one word-and the context he brings along within which that one word lives and has its saying. Amazing for anyone interested in reading the underneath meaning of a single act--one word. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:12 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Not quite - I have never wanted a clean break from the kids. The existence forced me to - same thing with the financial obligation. In 2009, in a mystically deceived, intoxicated state I begged my ex to take everything and release me from all financial obligations so I could just wander as a yogi and enjoy my bliss. I'm so glad she refused to entertain me on the latter. I can see how stupid it sounds in retrospect - no, it's all good, it's perfect now. You know what. That makes sense. (no sarcasm in case anyone was wondering) Awesome.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
yes, Emily I regret hurting your feelings. However, I don't agree that I completely dismissed and ignored you. It's possible in the deluge I missed some posts of yours and of others as well. I guess I don't understand because if someone told me I was in a cult, it wouldn't bother me. I know I'm not and they're entitled to their opinion. From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Share, do you very much regret having hurt mine, given that you assigned me to a cult, refused to discuss on what basis you did this, and completely dismissed and ignored me telling you how it was making me feel? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Thank you Steve for all your support. Hope you and family are well and happy. I very much regret having hurt Ravi's feelings. From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:51 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ravi replied to me that he was still revving up - which I was OK with. The fellow is an alarm clock to wake up dreamers, and though I followed a teacher who was not in favor of alarm clocks, to each his own. Whether I agree with everything he says, or not, he is authentic and owns his own stuff, which about the best I can say of anybody, even if I find their behavior offensive sometimes. Thank you Dr. Dumbass - I appreciate your sentiments. Steve is clearly wrong, I don't pay much attention to the words of a poster but their genuineness, sincerity and their motivations. As for being on anyone's friend or enemy list, they can put me there, and there is not a damned thing I can do about it, or would care to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: Share, I suppose it is a matter of hurting his feelings. But really this is just his M O 90% of time. Demeaning and insulting is what he does. It is how he interacts. He will sometimes defend those people he likes, but mostly he just insults and demeans the people he doesn't like. And it doesn't take much to go from one to the other. And that is why I am so perplexed how someone would ascribe loyalty as one of his traits. I mean DD came dangerous close to go from Ravi's friend list to his enemy's list with a comment he made. If DD had come up with an unfavorable follow up comment, then we likely would have seen the famous Ravi switch. BTW, I'll post DD's comment here, since I felt it was so appropiate. DD Ravi:The grinding sound is because you are stuck in first gear. Push in the clutch and shift into second, then third, etc. It was a good comment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Thank you Steve for all your support. Hope you and family are well and happy. I very much regret having hurt Ravi's feelings. From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin is a good and honorable man who treated you with fairness, respect, and compassion even after you turned on him. You can do nothing helpful where Robin is concerned other than wake up, smell the coffee, and acknowledge how appallingly badly and dishonestly you've treated him due to your inability to face your own weaknesses. If you are incapable of dealing with that reality, just keep your poisonous trap shut about him. You are the most toxic personality I have ever encountered. You make my skin crawl. And I notice you slithered away from responding to my question: Yes, the whole situation became confusing, agonizing and eventually poignant. Even more reason to immediately name the hallucination or delusion or pragyaparadh when it appears so that unnecessary suffering can be avoided. And what is it that will do this naming for us, Share?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Share, do you very much regret having hurt mine, given that you assigned me to a cult, refused to discuss on what basis you did this, and completely dismissed and ignored me telling you how it was making me feel? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Thank you Steve for all your support. Hope you and family are well and happy. I very much regret having hurt Ravi's feelings. From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin is a good and honorable man who treated you with fairness, respect, and compassion even after you turned on him. You can do nothing helpful where Robin is concerned other than wake up, smell the coffee, and acknowledge how appallingly badly and dishonestly you've treated him due to your inability to face your own weaknesses. If you are incapable of dealing with that reality, just keep your poisonous trap shut about him. You are the most toxic personality I have ever encountered. You make my skin crawl
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
It's not the actual comments that I object to Steve baby, it's the fact that you take them seriously because you don't have any insight into the context, my motivations, my state of mind. The smilies, the LOL's, the sarcasm - in oh what a woman in the message - do you they give you any clues to your retarded brain? I was fucking with her just as I fuck with retards like you here and I had a blast, her whole life was based on fantasies of a Guru. She would fashion herself as a traditional, conservative Hindu woman, she would talk about her love, innocence, devotion but she was totally alienated from reality. She couldn't even love her own husband and her actual actions were totally opposite to her fantasies. In retrospect I was so mystically intoxicated that I myself was unaware of my behavior and it genuinely scared the crap out of her..LOL, because you only read about it in books to actually witness and be with an ordinary man who was blissed and intoxicated was too much for her, would have too much for anyone so I feel sympathy, pity for her regardless - no way she could ever imagine the state of mind I was in. She stayed away from me after that :-), we had already been separated over a year at that point. So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 6:17 AM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Okay Ravi, since you have accused me of slander, I will post your statement. Then advise if you wish to withdraw the charge of slander. One correction: The post was made on Batgap, not FFL *From Batgap: * *Post 4466, Sunday May 16, 2010, 2:11 am* Now she has her complete attention on me because of my energy..:-). I told her that she had to stop treating Amma as her guru and that I would be her Guru from today and she completely, innocently, with complete faith accepted it and I made her repeat it 3 times - I reject Amma and accept Ravi as my Guru..LOL.. Oh what a woman !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Steve baby - this is an example of why you are branded as an idiot. You can't even come up with something clever, pertinent, original, inventive, intelligent even while indulging in slander. On Dec 7, 2012, at 7:17 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Thank you Steve for all your support. Hope you and family are well and happy. I very much regret having hurt Ravi's feelings. You are a crazy person dear Share and you cannot hurt my feelings, you never have. Get a grip on yourself - how hilarious..LOL..if Emily, Ann, Judy or raunchy got upset on me that may hurt my feelings not you dear. -- *From:* seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, December 7, 2012 9:17 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin is a good and honorable man who treated you with fairness, respect, and compassion even after you turned on him. You can do nothing helpful where Robin is concerned other than wake up, smell the coffee, and acknowledge how appallingly badly and dishonestly you've treated him due to your inability to face your own weaknesses. If you are incapable of dealing with that reality, just keep your poisonous trap shut about him. You are the most toxic personality I have ever encountered. You make my skin crawl. And I notice you slithered away from responding to my question: Yes
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On Dec 8, 2012, at 3:19 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything. Pay no attention to Steve, folks. He's just jealous that Ravi's I.Q. is over 100. I think Steve is mad on me dear raunchy. Yet it's perplexing he gets threatened by mature, intelligent, strong women and comes to the rescue of undeserving damsels in distress. Oh well nothing perplexing as I look back now, standard instinctual, primal male behavior.
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On Dec 8, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: I was fucking with her just as I fuck with retards like you here and I had a blast, her whole life was based on fantasies of a Guru. She would fashion herself as a traditional, conservative Hindu woman, she would talk about her love, innocence, devotion but she was totally alienated from reality. She couldn't even love her own husband and her actual actions were totally opposite to her fantasies. In retrospect I was so mystically intoxicated that I myself was unaware of my behavior and it genuinely scared the crap out of her..LOL, because you only read about it in books to actually witness and be with an ordinary man who was blissed and intoxicated was too much for her, would have too much for anyone so I feel sympathy, pity for her regardless - no way she could ever imagine the state of mind I was in. She stayed away from me after that :-), we had already been separated over a year at that point. So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) You are such a hot head Ravi. That results in retarded thinking. Judging almost everyone as a retard reveals a lot of retarded sensitivities in your brain. Difficult to figure out. Takes one to know one. The situation you describe here, regardless of what your experiences at the time were, and even what they are now, must have been very painful for you. When dealing with people's fantasies you have to kind of walk on the cracks between them, and that is really difficult to do, especially if we are loaded with our own fantasies. Even if we have really clear spiritual experiences, learning to live those experiences in a way that does not cause problems with people close to us, and people not so close to us may be very challenging. Dear Xeno, I always read your posts with much amusement and you never disappoint me with your robotic responses to any issue. It's as if you were narrating a documentary on human behavior on National Geographic. And then Share offering her gratitude for your support. Poor woman, she doesn't realize that men like you can never offer women any true empathy, love with your robotic, cold hearted dispassionate analysis, men like you can never tune, adapt yourself to the moods of a real woman. I suppose it's too late for someone like you who mistakes a graveyard for real silence to understand a truly alive person like me. I was like you not too long ago and here I am grateful to my ex for challenging me to look at my robotic, heartless, intellectual behavior and put it in its right place. Love, Ravi
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Xeno, I always read your posts with much amusement and you never disappoint me with your robotic responses to any issue. It's as if you were narrating a documentary on human behavior on National Geographic. And then Share offering her gratitude for your support. Poor woman, she doesn't realize that men like you can never offer women any true empathy, love with your robotic, cold hearted dispassionate analysis, men like you can never tune, adapt yourself to the moods of a real woman. I suppose it's too late for someone like you who mistakes a graveyard for real silence to understand a truly alive person like me. I was like you not too long ago and here I am grateful to my ex for challenging me to look at my robotic, heartless, intellectual behavior and put it in its right place. Love, Ravi Dear Xeno, I just came back from the beach. Suddenly a thought struck me - that there's no way someone can be as cold and heartless as you are. Perhaps you are dead and in heaven now. Being the intelligent man you are you perhaps created an incredibly sophisticated, powerful software that perhaps reads all your emails and sends these robotic responses and you are having a good time up there in heaven at all of our expense. I'm sure your software will automatically reply to my post with an incredibly robotic, cold, heartless, dispassionate response. Love, Ravi
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.comwrote: Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. Bravo Steve - you finally got something right..LOL.
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Steve, you can't be serious. Are you being ironic? Raunchy puts out some of the most creative, ballsy, insightful, and individual posts here. You don't think she can think for herself? From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. And good for you for applauding Ravi's intelligence put to such good use here. Maybe that is why you remind me so much of Puzzle, the silly ass donkey in the The Chronicles of Narnia. The one who was so easily manipulated and couldn't really think for himself. (and that is putting it mildly) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything. Pay no attention to Steve, folks. He's just jealous that Ravi's I.Q. is over 100.
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Well yes, I guess you are right. In light of some of the (public) postings you have made elsewhere, you have basically disassociated yourself from your wife and kids. So I guess you are right. You wanted a clean break and you got it. Good for you for living up to your financial and filial obligations. Not quite - I have never wanted a clean break from the kids. The existence forced me to - same thing with the financial obligation. In 2009, in a mystically deceived, intoxicated state I begged my ex to take everything and release me from all financial obligations so I could just wander as a yogi and enjoy my bliss. I'm so glad she refused to entertain me on the latter. I can see how stupid it sounds in retrospect - no, it's all good, it's perfect now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Steve - you seriously need to stop this dishonesty, slander and obsession on my personal life - I have talked about this before, I didn't have to but gave her everything out of my own free will and happily, so happily that her own attorney felt the need to apologize to me. I earn more than I have ever have and I have enough to keep everyone happy including myself. If you are mad about me insulting you, just fucking say it. This is cause for joy - that I have integrated, healed myself all the while working, supporting my family - that I'm thriving in spite of the tremendous upheaval my mystical experiences have caused. I'm totally free to be myself.
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LOL..I'm having so much fun today. On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** Links please. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Steve, you can't be serious.  Are you being ironic?  Raunchy puts out some of the most creative, ballsy, insightful, and individual posts here.  You don't think she can think for herself?  From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT  Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. And good for you for applauding Ravi's intelligence put to such good use here. Maybe that is why you remind me so much of Puzzle, the silly ass donkey in the The Chronicles of Narnia. The one who was so easily manipulated and couldn't really think for himself. (and that is putting it mildly)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything. Pay no attention to Steve, folks. He's just jealous that Ravi's I.Q. is over 100.
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:19 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...wrote: ** Well yes, I guess you are right. In light of some of the (public) postings you have made elsewhere, you have basically disassociated yourself from your wife and kids. So I guess you are right. You wanted a clean break and you got it. Good for you for living up to your financial and filial obligations. Not quite - I have never wanted a clean break from the kids. The existence forced me to - same thing with the financial obligation. In 2009, in a mystically deceived, intoxicated state I begged my ex to take everything and release me from all financial obligations so I could just wander as a yogi and enjoy my bliss. I'm so glad she refused to entertain me on the latter. I can see how stupid it sounds in retrospect - no, it's all good, it's perfect now. Thank you, Ravi, for sharing such an emotionally painful time in your life and expressing yourself so beautifully. You didn't have to do that, and I trust you did it for your own benefit and not for Steve's. Now he can just STFU about your personal life whenever he's feeling inadequate to the task of writing a decent comeback to an insult. Break ups can be so crushing to the spirit. It's understandable, not stupid, that you may have felt like giving up. When there's no fight left, you just want it to be over, escape the pain and be free. And, now my blissful yogi friend, lover of Devi, life is good. Party on. Thank you dear Raunchy - Yes Steve is free to insult me personally rather than putting a negative spin on the personal stories I have shared. It was indeed an excruciating, painful period as you have noted and though I don't feel any bitterness, remorse, misery or anger anymore the heart does, periodically, feel the pain of children deprived of a father because of the stupidity of their mother. I realistically have no chance of spending any time with the kids until they are adults or if the reality in the interim objectively supports my opinion of Amma as a charlatan. If not I am quite happy to just enjoy the simple pleasures of life, entertain the people around me - yes the party's indeed on :-)
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:12 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Not quite - I have never wanted a clean break from the kids. The existence forced me to - same thing with the financial obligation. In 2009, in a mystically deceived, intoxicated state I begged my ex to take everything and release me from all financial obligations so I could just wander as a yogi and enjoy my bliss. I'm so glad she refused to entertain me on the latter. I can see how stupid it sounds in retrospect - no, it's all good, it's perfect now. You know what. That makes sense. (no sarcasm in case anyone was wondering) Awesome.
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:21 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Thank you, Ravi, for sharing such an emotionally painful time in your life and expressing yourself so beautifully. You didn't have to do that, and I trust you did it for your own benefit and not for Steve's. Now he can just STFU about your personal life whenever he's feeling inadequate to the task of writing a decent comeback to an insult. Oh you are a piece of work Raunchy. What a flaming hypocrite you are. I am sorry if people are held accountable for their public postings when they even brag about their trials and tribulations being on display. Poor victim raunchy. Queen of the double standard. Head of one way rigorous honesty department. No Puzzle comparison here. Just plain, bald faced hypocrisy. That's ridiculous Steve. One - I don't know how someone can brag about trials and tribulations and two - all you had was a negative spin on my public postings. She's right on.
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Xeno, I just came back from the beach. Suddenly a thought struck me - that there's no way someone can be as cold and heartless as you are. Perhaps you are dead and in heaven now. Being the intelligent man you are you perhaps created an incredibly sophisticated, powerful software that perhaps reads all your emails and sends these robotic responses and you are having a good time up there in heaven at all of our expense. I'm sure your software will automatically reply to my post with an incredibly robotic, cold, heartless, dispassionate response. Love, Ravi Dear Mr Chivukula Thank you for your timely response. I have placed it in the queue for statistical consideration of a response. Regards Xeno Wait a second - so is my theory right? That's a relief, now I don't have to apologize to that old man - I'm sure my posts would have hurt Xeno at least a bit even assuming he was as cold and heartless as I projected him to be.
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 6:46 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Steve, you can't be serious. Â Are you being ironic? Â Raunchy puts out some of the most creative, ballsy, insightful, and individual posts here. Â You don't think she can think for herself? Â Thanks, Emily. Ditto for you, sweetheart. You're back from the beach I presume and in very good form as usual. Meet any Frankies? Welcome back dear Emily - do you see this frenzy of posts here? I am now convinced that everyone will post out by the weekend and totally positive the world is going to end on December 21st :-)
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Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: JS, My name is Judy. I don't think that what Robin calls the mystical hallucination of his UC could, from the POV of simple logic, give rise to intentions which you describe as the absolute best and purest. I don't think the POV of simple logic (yours in particular) is adequate to address that highly unusual situation such as to be able to determine the nature of Robin's intentions. It's the wrong tool for the job. (And in this case, your contorted, spiteful personal animus toward Robin, which drives you to find his intentions less than good and pure no matter what, disqualifies you from having any useful insights into what was going on.) Logic indicates simply that the intentions at their very inception were based in hallucination. I think calling them, especially in hindsight, the absolute best and purest continues the hallucination in a small but significant amount. Significant because that small amount exists in the very core of the larger matter. Thus is useful IMO to be named. I would not expect you to see things any differently, Share. Your propensity to rewrite reality to suit your own needs will not permit you to acquire a more subtle understanding of the complex metaphysics of what took place with Robin and his group. Yes, the whole situation became confusing, agonizing and eventually poignant. Even more reason to immediately name the hallucination or delusion or pragyaparadh when it appears so that unnecessary suffering can be avoided. And what is it that will do this naming for us, Share? Careful... PS And yes again, I thought I was communicating with you and Ann in my posts about Edwin Coppard's ideas. If you thought I wasn't, how would you change what I wrote to make it fall within your category of communicating? Not playing that game with you, Share. I asked a question, you answered it. I did not express an opinion. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Â Couple of comments below, Robin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Dear Bill, snip Now since my enlightenment was a mystical hallucination, it meant that *the context which it gave birth to inside myself*, that too somewhere, no matter how true the process of confrontation and individuation appeared to be (and that process recreated reality, drove everyone into the deepest place one could ever go--and had ever gone), was untrue. **And what this meant--in the perspective after The Context was busted by a greater reality--was that this weakness in each person was simply what innocently each person had to do in order to survive as a human being inside the universe given that they were not perfect--and fallen. In other words, this salient and ultimate weakness was not to be confronted--not even to be revealed.** snip JS: I don't think you've ever put it quite this way. I wasn't there, of course, but the more you tell us about all this, the more poignant it seems--the hope, the exhilaration, the absolute best and purest of intentions driving it, the huge effort and energy expended, and then the wrenching agony of confusion when it began to self- destruct.
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Oh paranoid, delusional, narcissist Barry baby, you need hugs? Need love? Kisses? You need to stop this obsessing over Judy and Robin - it's rather clinical. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:09 AM, turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** *God, what an insufferably narcissistic drama queen. * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Salyavin: Are you by any chance a clinical psychologist? You conduct psychotherapy? The only reason i ask is because of the thoughtful and complex reflections you share with us here on FFL--I am referring especially to your remarks about people. They are certainly sensitive and wise. Like this one. She said I mentally raped her. Her letters absolutely contradict this. She continues to discuss and describe me in psychopathological terms--as if I have been rendered speechless and helpless--that I cannot answer her. You were dead wrong about AWB--as your subsequently communication with her proved. (Although you would never acknowledge this.) This is classic Salyavin--and it is one of those impulses of yours which did not travel through the more subtle parts of your brain. I knew you would like that. Life will never ask you to bear anymore reality than you can, Salyavin. But this, this was a beaut. Thanks. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Share Long: Would you please state your reasons why you refuse to explain why you will not answer my question about the desirability of posting our personal correspondence--correspondence which is no different from the kind of interactions which take place here on FFL? Maybe she's realised no-one gives a shit. You keep referring to me by name as if I were someone either dead, or in exile, or mute. You continue to discuss me, Share, and yet you will not let me show the world exactly what was said between us in those letters. In those letters we both attempted to understand each other. There was no insinuation of any kind of problem such as to make you say much later that I had violated you in some way. I find you innocently treacherous in all that you write about me, and I believe that posting that correspondence will allow everyone to understand what this matter is between you and myself. I ask that you answer my request sincerely, Share (You must have some valid reason for ignoring my question: please state it.). Until you do this I will continue to interpret your allusions to myself as a deliberate and provocative attempt to engage in a conversation which at one point I simply deemed pointless--As the record will show, Share, once I stopped writing to you, you continued to write to me. How about it, Share? Shall we put our cards out on the table? Please don't. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so.    From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: JS, My name is Judy. I don't think that what Robin calls the mystical hallucination of his UC could, from the POV of simple logic, give rise to intentions which you describe as the absolute best and purest. I don't think the POV of simple logic (yours in particular) is adequate to address that highly unusual situation such as to be able to determine the nature of Robin's intentions. It's the wrong tool for the job. (And in this case, your contorted, spiteful personal animus toward Robin, which drives you to find his intentions less than good and pure no matter what, disqualifies you from having any useful insights into what was going on.) Logic indicates simply that the intentions at their very inception were based in hallucination. I think calling them, especially in hindsight, the absolute best and purest continues the hallucination in a small but significant amount. Significant
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Yes - I think so, beautiful analysis by the Salivating Puppy, he is surely a clinical psychologist and he should work on Barry. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Salyavin: Are you by any chance a clinical psychologist? You conduct psychotherapy? The only reason i ask is because of the thoughtful and complex reflections you share with us here on FFL--I am referring especially to your remarks about people. They are certainly sensitive and wise. Like this one. She said I mentally raped her. Her letters absolutely contradict this. She continues to discuss and describe me in psychopathological terms--as if I have been rendered speechless and helpless--that I cannot answer her. You were dead wrong about AWB--as your subsequently communication with her proved. (Although you would never acknowledge this.) This is classic Salyavin--and it is one of those impulses of yours which did not travel through the more subtle parts of your brain. I knew you would like that. Life will never ask you to bear anymore reality than you can, Salyavin. But this, this was a beaut. Thanks. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Share Long: Would you please state your reasons why you refuse to explain why you will not answer my question about the desirability of posting our personal correspondence--correspondence which is no different from the kind of interactions which take place here on FFL? Maybe she's realised no-one gives a shit. You keep referring to me by name as if I were someone either dead, or in exile, or mute. You continue to discuss me, Share, and yet you will not let me show the world exactly what was said between us in those letters. In those letters we both attempted to understand each other. There was no insinuation of any kind of problem such as to make you say much later that I had violated you in some way. I find you innocently treacherous in all that you write about me, and I believe that posting that correspondence will allow everyone to understand what this matter is between you and myself. I ask that you answer my request sincerely, Share (You must have some valid reason for ignoring my question: please state it.). Until you do this I will continue to interpret your allusions to myself as a deliberate and provocative attempt to engage in a conversation which at one point I simply deemed pointless--As the record will show, Share, once I stopped writing to you, you continued to write to me. How about it, Share? Shall we put our cards out on the table? Please don't. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so.    From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: JS, My name is Judy. I don't think that what Robin calls the mystical hallucination of his UC could, from the POV of simple logic, give rise to intentions which you describe as the absolute best and purest. I don't think the POV of simple logic (yours in particular) is adequate to address that highly unusual situation such as to be able to determine the nature of Robin's intentions. It's the wrong tool for the job. (And in this case, your contorted, spiteful personal animus toward Robin, which drives you to find his intentions less than good and pure no matter what, disqualifies you from having any useful insights into what was going on.) Logic indicates simply that the intentions at their very inception were based in hallucination. I think calling them, especially in hindsight, the absolute best and purest continues the hallucination in a small but significant amount. Significant because that small amount exists in the very core of the larger matter. Thus is useful IMO to be named. I would not expect you to see things any differently, Share. Your propensity to rewrite reality to suit your own needs
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Robin you sent me 3 emails on Sept 26 so I don't think of Sept 18 as the formal ending of our correspondence. I have compiled those with my replies. Do you think it would be beneficial to post them? In addition, this is not my total response to you on Sept 18. Do you think it would be beneficial to post my other reply to you from Sept 18? I have read all your posts from today including your reply to Salyavin which contained the excerpts below: Robin to Salya: She said I mentally raped her. Her letters absolutely contradict this. She continues to discuss and describe me in psychopathological terms--as if I have been rendered speechless and helpless--that I cannot answer her. Share replies to Robin's comments to Salya: I used the term psychological rape and I described that as your attributing thoughts and feelings to me which I did not have. I'm sure my letters also included responses to those times when you were not doing that. I have not thought that you were rendered speechless and helpless, unable to answer me. I assumed you were choosing that course of action. That of course is your right just as it is my right to reply to Judy or Emily or anyone else even if the topic touches on you. About your inner state, I was as careful as I was able to be in what I said. What I remember is that I never talked about demonic possession or spiritual vampirism or even NPD except once to note what others were saying. And though aware that it sounded hokey, I limited myself to saying that I wish complete healing for you and even avoided commenting on your self meta psychotherapy and or your interactions with Terrence. I have never experienced what I have experienced with you. But in looking back into the archives I see that even at the beginning there was evidence of what upset me so on Sept 6. Certainly even before Lord Knows confronted you, I mentioned to you that I felt you were trying to change me. My understanding now is that during that lull between us I began to do what Bill Howell calls snapping out of it. Nonetheless I regret how I replied to you on Sept 6. Certainly I would reply differently now. I am not embarrassed by my tender feelings for you. And I remain clear that they are feelings of friendship. Nor am I flummoxed by conflicting feelings for you. I continue to want the best for you in spite of all that has transpired between us. Thus, my present reply to you remains the same as it was on Nov 18. I wish more peace and enjoyment for FFL and will act in accord with this intention the best that I can given my limitations etc. I wish you more peace and enjoyment too whatever course of action you choose. What this last sentence means in reference to your posting our offline correspondence is that I wish you more peace and enjoyment whether you post them or whether you refrain from posting them. Share From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT And here is the formal ending of our correspondence: From: Blue Caboose Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: what I wish to tell you now Dear Share, I wish only for you to know that after everything we have said to each other that I respect you and love you and want you to be happy and to know whatever truth God would have you know and understand. I only want you to go to heaven, whatever that may be, Share. I have played and teased and challenged and danced and argued with you; but now it is at an end, and I must be quiet and accept the will of reality in all things. For us, Share, I believe that means that I must leave you to your life and your very earnest and sacrificial strivings. Please believe me when I tell you that I want only your happiness, and in my own way I shall pray for this. It has been a privilege of a kind to carry on our conversations all these months, but now, in the writing of this letter, I just want to express only my support for you. I have a feeling you will find your way in this terrible complexity and tragedy and beauty and miracle that is human existence in the 21st century. That is it, Share: I have said all that I have wanted to say, or need to say. Go safely and know that Robin loves you. Robin Your response: I will miss you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Note to reader: Here is an excerpt from one of Share Long's letters to Robin: Yes, I agree that our correspondence went deep. I wish it could have continued deepening. But somehow, beyond a certain level, our hearts and souls did not match up. I still care about you and treasure what we shared. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin
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Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin is a good and honorable man who treated you with fairness, respect, and compassion even after you turned on him. You can do nothing helpful where Robin is concerned other than wake up, smell the coffee, and acknowledge how appallingly badly and dishonestly you've treated him due to your inability to face your own weaknesses. If you are incapable of dealing with that reality, just keep your poisonous trap shut about him. You are the most toxic personality I have ever encountered. You make my skin crawl. And I notice you slithered away from responding to my question: Yes, the whole situation became confusing, agonizing and eventually poignant. Even more reason to immediately name the hallucination or delusion or pragyaparadh when it appears so that unnecessary suffering can be avoided. And what is it that will do this naming for us, Share?
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Steve baby - this is an example of why you are branded as an idiot. You can't even come up with something clever, pertinent, original, inventive, intelligent even while indulging in slander. On Dec 7, 2012, at 7:17 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin is a good and honorable man who treated you with fairness, respect, and compassion even after you turned on him. You can do nothing helpful where Robin is concerned other than wake up, smell the coffee, and acknowledge how appallingly badly and dishonestly you've treated him due to your inability to face your own weaknesses. If you are incapable of dealing with that reality, just keep your poisonous trap shut about him. You are the most toxic personality I have ever encountered. You make my skin crawl. And I notice you slithered away from responding to my question: Yes, the whole situation became confusing, agonizing and eventually poignant. Even more reason to immediately name the hallucination or delusion or pragyaparadh when it appears so that unnecessary suffering can be avoided. And what is it that will do this naming for us, Share?
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JS, I don't think that what Robin calls the mystical hallucination of his UC could, from the POV of simple logic, give rise to intentions which you describe as the absolute best and purest. Logic indicates simply that the intentions at their very inception were based in hallucination. I think calling them, especially in hindsight, the absolute best and purest continues the hallucination in a small but significant amount. Significant because that small amount exists in the very core of the larger matter. Thus is useful IMO to be named. Yes, the whole situation became confusing, agonizing and eventually poignant. Even more reason to immediately name the hallucination or delusion or pragyaparadh when it appears so that unnecessary suffering can be avoided. PS And yes again, I thought I was communicating with you and Ann in my posts about Edwin Coppard's ideas. If you thought I wasn't, how would you change what I wrote to make it fall within your category of communicating? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT Couple of comments below, Robin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Bill, snip Now since my enlightenment was a mystical hallucination, it meant that *the context which it gave birth to inside myself*, that too somewhere, no matter how true the process of confrontation and individuation appeared to be (and that process recreated reality, drove everyone into the deepest place one could ever go--and had ever gone), was untrue. **And what this meant--in the perspective after The Context was busted by a greater reality--was that this weakness in each person was simply what innocently each person had to do in order to survive as a human being inside the universe given that they were not perfect--and fallen. In other words, this salient and ultimate weakness was not to be confronted--not even to be revealed.** snip JS: I don't think you've ever put it quite this way. I wasn't there, of course, but the more you tell us about all this, the more poignant it seems--the hope, the exhilaration, the absolute best and purest of intentions driving it, the huge effort and energy expended, and then the wrenching agony of confusion when it began to self- destruct.
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Brilliant indeed because from my perspective he is the first person from the Guru side of the aisle to honestly acknowledge the fraud, deception, futility of the Guru-disciple game. Look at people like Buck, Nabby continuing the same game in another form ascended/descended masters, messiahs, Maitreya and even the naivete, stupidity of others like Share, Howells, Lord Knows all continuing the same drama. Something relevant I posted on the Ammachi lists That Amma has enabled people to numb their pain by providing a safe outlet through her sacrifice, masochism. Yet ultimately a fraud, deception. A great tradition of masochism, self-abnegation, sacrifice started by Jesus Christ, continued by various liberal icons such as Gandhi, Teresa, this same sickening, 2000 year old mindset of someone sacrificing themselves for our salvation. Then there is the ancient Indian wisdom in the metaphor of Lord Krishna, the purna avatar, the highest possible individuation of consciousness. A man who celebrated life, totally participated in it, loved, had sex, indulged in wars, friendships, drama. Unlike the masochism of Jesus his death was a relative non-event, he supposedly got killed by a hunter's arrow. What powerful symbolism - so people focus on his life and not death. It's so hard for to people to appreciate the metaphor of Lord Krishna. It's so easy to avoid complexities of life, avoid accountability, responsibility and self-honesty and just choose a belief system, fantasize on a messiah that suffers for our sins, for our salvation. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:46 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Beautiful, Robin. Rather, I think one should write, as nearly as possible, as if he were the first person on earth and was humbly and sincerely putting on paper that which he saw and experienced and loved and lost; what his passing thoughts were and his sorrows and desires. -Neal Cassady to Jack Kerouac --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Robin - this is beautiful, thank you. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...wrote: ** Dear Bill, The essence of the Ten Years was this: when I came down from that mountain I found myself able to see the ultimate weakness or falseness in each human being. *I never saw this before*. So what this mean was that each person I met after being enlightened--other than Maharishi himself--demonstrated in their behaviour a certain awareness of what was untrue or insincere in themselves. It seemed--from the point of view of Unity Consciousness--that each person had this final and definitive flaw, a flaw which was the secret theme of all that they did--but which was hidden from everyone else. And perhaps had not even surfaced completely in the consciousness of that person. No matter: what happened inside my enlightenment was that in seeing the evidence of this contradiction in their very beingness, I was led to believe (by what was creating the context of my enlightenment) that my being able to perceive this infirmity in that person, that in making this known to that person, they could, through their own free will, make use simply of the grace of truth (of that very revelation) to acquire the means to challenge and eventually overcome that flaw. And each person had a signature flaw. Indeed the process through which this weakness was exposed seemed to bring with it a context of prescriptive existential potential whereby that person could begin to take responsibility for this weakness or falseness and begin to overcome it. That is what confrontation was, after all: revelation of the problem, and then, evidently, a context within which to do something about that problem. The means to uncovering and exposing that flaw--*so that every person in the room or theatre could see it for themselves*, see it inside the context of reality, and thus making it seem to be a kind of 'demonically' supported weakness--was through a 'tracking' process, which entailed going through layers and layers of deceit, phoniness, dishonesty, fear, falseness, escapism, avoidance--and then revealing this weakness as essentially the responsibility of that person--inside the drama of creation--to face and conquer. To conquer that distinctive and inimitable weakness would be the qualification to become enlightened. Therefore this was becoming enlightened through a means other than the East only. Even though that continued, as each and every one of us was devoted to Maharishi, and were under the assumption that Maharishi had made me enlightened. Ergo, what I was doing must, somehow have the blessing of my Master, Guru Dev, and the Holy Tradition. Emphatically this was the understanding that every person who was closest to me held as unassailable, inviolable.
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And the idiots like feste and Buck have recently compared Maharishi vs Robin, most likely after being influenced by Share, Howells and the like. I will choose Robin's honesty over Maharishi's deception. My philosophy is one should be willing to be hounded, harassed and humiliated by reality, by truth to be truly humble and Robin has shown that. Whereas Maharishi died as a fraudster, and someone like Ammachi is continuing down that route. What retards like feste and Buck don't realize is that these Gurus - Maharishi and Ammachi are a perversion of true Indian spirituality. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: Brilliant indeed because from my perspective he is the first person from the Guru side of the aisle to honestly acknowledge the fraud, deception, futility of the Guru-disciple game. Look at people like Buck, Nabby continuing the same game in another form ascended/descended masters, messiahs, Maitreya and even the naivete, stupidity of others like Share, Howells, Lord Knows all continuing the same drama. Something relevant I posted on the Ammachi lists That Amma has enabled people to numb their pain by providing a safe outlet through her sacrifice, masochism. Yet ultimately a fraud, deception. A great tradition of masochism, self-abnegation, sacrifice started by Jesus Christ, continued by various liberal icons such as Gandhi, Teresa, this same sickening, 2000 year old mindset of someone sacrificing themselves for our salvation. Then there is the ancient Indian wisdom in the metaphor of Lord Krishna, the purna avatar, the highest possible individuation of consciousness. A man who celebrated life, totally participated in it, loved, had sex, indulged in wars, friendships, drama. Unlike the masochism of Jesus his death was a relative non-event, he supposedly got killed by a hunter's arrow. What powerful symbolism - so people focus on his life and not death. It's so hard for to people to appreciate the metaphor of Lord Krishna. It's so easy to avoid complexities of life, avoid accountability, responsibility and self-honesty and just choose a belief system, fantasize on a messiah that suffers for our sins, for our salvation. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:46 PM, raunchydog raunchy...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Beautiful, Robin. Rather, I think one should write, as nearly as possible, as if he were the first person on earth and was humbly and sincerely putting on paper that which he saw and experienced and loved and lost; what his passing thoughts were and his sorrows and desires. -Neal Cassady to Jack Kerouac --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Robin - this is beautiful, thank you. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@...wrote: ** Dear Bill, The essence of the Ten Years was this: when I came down from that mountain I found myself able to see the ultimate weakness or falseness in each human being. *I never saw this before*. So what this mean was that each person I met after being enlightened--other than Maharishi himself--demonstrated in their behaviour a certain awareness of what was untrue or insincere in themselves. It seemed--from the point of view of Unity Consciousness--that each person had this final and definitive flaw, a flaw which was the secret theme of all that they did--but which was hidden from everyone else. And perhaps had not even surfaced completely in the consciousness of that person. No matter: what happened inside my enlightenment was that in seeing the evidence of this contradiction in their very beingness, I was led to believe (by what was creating the context of my enlightenment) that my being able to perceive this infirmity in that person, that in making this known to that person, they could, through their own free will, make use simply of the grace of truth (of that very revelation) to acquire the means to challenge and eventually overcome that flaw. And each person had a signature flaw. Indeed the process through which this weakness was exposed seemed to bring with it a context of prescriptive existential potential whereby that person could begin to take responsibility for this weakness or falseness and begin to overcome it. That is what confrontation was, after all: revelation of the problem, and then, evidently, a context within which to do something about that problem. The means to uncovering and exposing that flaw--*so that every person in the room or theatre could see it for themselves*, see it inside the context of reality, and thus making it seem to be a kind of 'demonically' supported weakness--was through a 'tracking' process, which entailed going through layers and layers of deceit, phoniness, dishonesty, fear, falseness, escapism, avoidance--and then revealing this weakness as essentially
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Robin - this is beautiful, thank you. Thank you, Ravi--but, just so you know (reading ahead in your posts), Jesus could take Krishna in less than one round. I don't think so - Krishna kicks ass. And only because of Jesus does this fascination for life-abnegating, masochistic messiahs continues, this medieval mindset of someone sacrificing ourselves for our sins, our salvation - in the form of Gurus that continues on, the fascination for ascended masters, Maitreya, Age of enlightenment continues, that contributed to your own rise as a Guru. Evidently he retired, though, and Krishna is still skipping rope pretty good. Now you are talking :-) - though I don't consider Krishna as a historical or a real person, just a myth, a symbolism, an ideal - so yes !!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: And the idiots like feste and Buck have recently compared Maharishi vs Robin, most likely after being influenced by Share, Howells and the like. I will choose Robin's honesty over Maharishi's deception. My philosophy is one should be willing to be hounded, harassed and humiliated by reality, by truth to be truly humble and Robin has shown that. Whereas Maharishi died as a fraudster, and someone like Ammachi is continuing down that route. What retards like feste and Buck don't realize is that these Gurus - Maharishi and Ammachi are a perversion of true Indian spirituality. His Holiness Swami Gulabjamunanda has traced the perversion of true Indian spirituality back to the Bhagavad Gita, which erroneously says to be without the three gunas. In fact, you only have to be without two of them. It all went downhill from there. LOL..hard to disagree, most of the scriptures is some medieval garbage anyway.
