Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc.
self correcting KARMA sphere (-: From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc. yeah, you have to crash and burn first, once the decision is made to wake up, at least that's the easier of the two options. I once described FFL as a self-correcting dharma sphere. Still holds. How about you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Doc, I agree with you and have a question and a comment: do you think of > FFL as an organization? > I think it's possible to crash and burn AND wake up to reality and go on from > there. > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 9:34 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, > students, prison inmates, etc. > > >  > MJ, take a look at ANY organization in the world, any provider of services, > any corporation - you won't find any better. Same people, same issues, same > stumbles. And the same phony "invincible" exterior; Marketing and PR. > > Have you ever tried to manage a group of people, committed to a common goal? > It is always really difficult. Progress always demands a cost, and it is > always unknown at the inception of any endeavor - hindsight being 20/20, and > all. Then, adding to the difficulty, instead of going for something concrete, > the TMO is spreading *a mental technique* - very abstract, and open to a lot > of misinterpretation. > > I am not defending anything, or rationalizing anyone's behavior. However, > aside from the utopian engine that we all wanted the TMO to be, the people > that stick with an organization are always better at perpetuating the > organization, than fulfilling its goals. (March of Dimes, or the American > Cancer Society, anyone??) > > So the question kinda becomes, do you crash and burn against a fantasy, or > wake up to reality, and go on from there? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > I will suggest that you pay attention to the posts I have already made - I > > already told you that some of the therapists are already offering > > their modalities to victims of trauma of various kinds including PTSD - > > some of the people who have come are veterans and some are non-veterans. > > > > You are incorrect in your assumption "Ok, you don't > > like the people who are in charge of the program" > > > > I don't dislike the people who actually teach TM, it is the people like > > David Lynch and Bob Roth who talk up TM on all the talk shows, > > continuing the effort to sanitize the image of TM. It is really that I > > don't like the way they behave, rather than disliking the people > > themselves. > > > > This is also not quite correct: "you feel they should be prevented from > > implementing the program" > > > > I don't feel they should be "prevented" - I just wish the world could see > > the real TMO instead of the toothy smiling one they present to the world. I > > would like the veteran's organizations, school officials and people in > > general to see and hear the white robe gold crown wearing men who give no > > authority to women, talking in that nutty TM speak affectation and refusing > > to walk through a south facing entrance. This dose of reality in itself > > would cause a good many of the people thy are approaching to slam the door > > in their mood making faces. > > > > As to how that philosophy is working for me, not very well since I and > > others like me do not have the public's eye and ear the way Oprah and other > > TM celebrities do, nor do I own or work in a leadership capacity for ABC > > news like George Stephanopoulos and Soledad O'Brien, nor do I own or have > > any authority at the Huffington Post like whoever the hell sees to it that > > the Huff Post is forever putting those "I love TM" articles in their > > magazine. > > > > Were > > I to be in such a position, I would have a plethora of stories or > > articles about the seamy side of TM, and from all I have seen, > > experienced and heard, much of it here on FFL, when you look at the whole > > picture of the history of Marshy and the TMO, it is a pretty sordid tale. > > > > If > > the people whom Lynch and associates are courting could see interviews > > with people like Edg and Barry, Mark Landau, Judith Borque, Ned Wynn, > > Billy Clayton, Are Holen and match them up with the interviews of celebs > > like Oprah and others who praise TM - then they could make their own > > choice. That would be my preference. > > > > Until such a thing happens I > > still don't like frauds and liars and that includes the TMO and its > > founder and its current leadership and if you don't like
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc.
Doc, I agree with you and have a question and a comment: do you think of FFL as an organization? I think it's possible to crash and burn AND wake up to reality and go on from there. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc. MJ, take a look at ANY organization in the world, any provider of services, any corporation - you won't find any better. Same people, same issues, same stumbles. And the same phony "invincible" exterior; Marketing and PR. Have you ever tried to manage a group of people, committed to a common goal? It is always really difficult. Progress always demands a cost, and it is always unknown at the inception of any endeavor - hindsight being 20/20, and all. Then, adding to the difficulty, instead of going for something concrete, the TMO is spreading *a mental technique* - very abstract, and open to a lot of misinterpretation. I am not defending anything, or rationalizing anyone's behavior. However, aside from the utopian engine that we all wanted the TMO to be, the people that stick with an organization are always better at perpetuating the organization, than fulfilling its goals. (March of Dimes, or the American Cancer Society, anyone??) So the question kinda becomes, do you crash and burn against a fantasy, or wake up to reality, and go on from there? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I will suggest that you pay attention to the posts I have already made - I > already told you that some of the therapists are already offering > their modalities to victims of trauma of various kinds including PTSD - > some of the people who have come are veterans and some are non-veterans. > > You are incorrect in your assumption "Ok, you don't > like the people who are in charge of the program" > > I don't dislike the people who actually teach TM, it is the people like > David Lynch and Bob Roth who talk up TM on all the talk shows, > continuing the effort to sanitize the image of TM. It is really that I > don't like the way they behave, rather than disliking the people themselves. > > This is also not quite correct: "you feel they should be prevented from > implementing the program" > > I don't feel they should be "prevented" - I just wish the world could see the > real TMO instead of the toothy smiling one they present to the world. I would > like the veteran's organizations, school officials and people in general to > see and hear the white robe gold crown wearing men who give no authority to > women, talking in that nutty TM speak affectation and refusing to walk > through a south facing entrance. This dose of reality in itself would cause a > good many of the people thy are approaching to slam the door in their mood > making faces. > > As to how that philosophy is working for me, not very well since I and others > like me do not have the public's eye and ear the way Oprah and other TM > celebrities do, nor do I own or work in a leadership capacity for ABC news > like George Stephanopoulos and Soledad O'Brien, nor do I own or have any > authority at the Huffington Post like whoever the hell sees to it that the > Huff Post is forever putting those "I love TM" articles in their magazine. > > Were > I to be in such a position, I would have a plethora of stories or > articles about the seamy side of TM, and from all I have seen, > experienced and heard, much of it here on FFL, when you look at the whole > picture of the history of Marshy and the TMO, it is a pretty sordid tale. > > If > the people whom Lynch and associates are courting could see interviews > with people like Edg and Barry, Mark Landau, Judith Borque, Ned Wynn, > Billy Clayton, Are Holen and match them up with the interviews of celebs > like Oprah and others who praise TM - then they could make their own > choice. That would be my preference. > > Until such a thing happens I > still don't like frauds and liars and that includes the TMO and its > founder and its current leadership and if you don't like it, tough. > > You > act as if it is a given that TM is the BEST treatment for PTSD which it > is not, and given the fact there are other meditations that can also be > of benefit to vets with PTSD there is no reason to use TM given its baggage. > > In > closing it would be useful to remember that whether PTSD folks meditate > or not, there are other more useful in the moment and more necessary > modalities that have to be used in a PTSD treatment program for best > results, much more important that TM or any other meditation. You can't > just use TM or any meditation and expect it to magically dissolve all > the markers of PTSD. > > > > > From: seventhray27 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogrou
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc.
Wait a minute, I thought I was an Apostate Non-Meditator!! I vote that MUM secede from the TMO and put Bevan out to pasture, take the fences down from around the pundits compound so they can go get a Coca-cola (or Co-cola as they are called around here), put Buck in charge of Dome recruitment and maybe even of the University in general and hire guards to keep Nabby out. I appreciate your message Buck. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc. Dear MJ, I believe 7Ray27 is riding you a little too personally and too hard here. He don't live here. A lot of people here feel the same way you do about the bad behavior and actually shy away from going to the Domes because of the past poor ways of some still around. That is not uncommon here in Fairfield. Even with good people 'inside' of things there is a frustration reconciling this all. On the one hand It all has the potential to be so good but no one seems able to declare that 'we' are not that bad behavior of the past and move forward. Mostly they move forward as hostage to the past in a way hoping no one will notice the past around their nekcs and they'll get beyond it before anyone says anything. I spoke with a person, a long time movement meditator/teacher/purusha person the other day who had recently stopped going to the Dome meditation and now goes satellite places elsewhere to meditate because of these things generally. You are in fact doing a splendid job of critically and morally laying out the problems with a new voice. It is fresh because it comes from inside with an outside perspective. Yes it is a type of an indictment that makes some people uncomfortable. As people up there really do not freely dialogue about these things for fear this becomes as good a place to discuss these problems towards airing them out. People deal with it all differently, bit by bit things have got reconciled by people, and a lot of people have gone away. It is a pretty small group anymore with quite a lot of people having left. There evidently is still more work to do. Frankly from the top down there is quite a lot of a waiting game for Bevan going on for everyone. Kindly, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I will suggest that you pay attention to the posts I have already made - I > already told you that some of the therapists are already offering > their modalities to victims of trauma of various kinds including PTSD - > some of the people who have come are veterans and some are non-veterans. > > You are incorrect in your assumption "Ok, you don't > like the people who are in charge of the program" > > I don't dislike the people who actually teach TM, it is the people like > David Lynch and Bob Roth who talk up TM on all the talk shows, > continuing the effort to sanitize the image of TM. It is really that I > don't like the way they behave, rather than disliking the people themselves. > > This is also not quite correct: "you feel they should be prevented from > implementing the program" > > I don't feel they should be "prevented" - I just wish the world could see the > real TMO instead of the toothy smiling one they present to the world. I would > like the veteran's organizations, school officials and people in general to > see and hear the white robe gold crown wearing men who give no authority to > women, talking in that nutty TM speak affectation and refusing to walk > through a south facing entrance. This dose of reality in itself would cause a > good many of the people thy are approaching to slam the door in their mood > making faces. > > As to how that philosophy is working for me, not very well since I and others > like me do not have the public's eye and ear the way Oprah and other TM > celebrities do, nor do I own or work in a leadership capacity for ABC news > like George Stephanopoulos and Soledad O'Brien, nor do I own or have any > authority at the Huffington Post like whoever the hell sees to it that the > Huff Post is forever putting those "I love TM" articles in their magazine. > > Were > I to be in such a position, I would have a plethora of stories or > articles about the seamy side of TM, and from all I have seen, > experienced and heard, much of it here on FFL, when you look at the whole > picture of the history of Marshy and the TMO, it is a pretty sordid tale. > > If > the people whom Lynch and associates are courting could see interviews > with people like Edg and Barry, Mark Landau, Judith Borque, Ned Wynn, > Billy Clayton, Are Holen and match them up with the interviews of celebs > like Oprah and others who praise TM - then they could make their own > choice. That would be my preference. > > Until such a thing happens I > still do
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc.
Not batty - its merely irritating From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > You > act as if it is a given that TM is the BEST treatment for PTSD which it > is not, and given the fact there are other meditations that can also be > of benefit to vets with PTSD there is no reason to use TM given its baggage. Honestly, it must be driving you absolutely batty that TM is getting this kind of play. It is no wonder that you have made this "exposing" of TM such a priority in your life. Do you lie awake at night, thinking, what can I do to make more people aware of this fraud that is TM? It sort of sounds that way. Well, keep banging your drum and maybe you will get the results you are looking for. Or, partner with the parties you've mentioned before and keep working on getting your own treatments implemented. But it looks like we are withdrawing from the conflicts which are causing the cases of PTSD, so maybe the whole thing is winding down anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc.
I will suggest that you pay attention to the posts I have already made - I already told you that some of the therapists are already offering their modalities to victims of trauma of various kinds including PTSD - some of the people who have come are veterans and some are non-veterans. You are incorrect in your assumption "Ok, you don't like the people who are in charge of the program" I don't dislike the people who actually teach TM, it is the people like David Lynch and Bob Roth who talk up TM on all the talk shows, continuing the effort to sanitize the image of TM. It is really that I don't like the way they behave, rather than disliking the people themselves. This is also not quite correct: "you feel they should be prevented from implementing the program" I don't feel they should be "prevented" - I just wish the world could see the real TMO instead of the toothy smiling one they present to the world. I would like the veteran's organizations, school officials and people in general to see and hear the white robe gold crown wearing men who give no authority to women, talking in that nutty TM speak affectation and refusing to walk through a south facing entrance. This dose of reality in itself would cause a good many of the people thy are approaching to slam the door in their mood making faces. As to how that philosophy is working for me, not very well since I and others like me do not have the public's eye and ear the way Oprah and other TM celebrities do, nor do I own or work in a leadership capacity for ABC news like George Stephanopoulos and Soledad O'Brien, nor do I own or have any authority at the Huffington Post like whoever the hell sees to it that the Huff Post is forever putting those "I love TM" articles in their magazine. Were I to be in such a position, I would have a plethora of stories or articles about the seamy side of TM, and from all I have seen, experienced and heard, much of it here on FFL, when you look at the whole picture of the history of Marshy and the TMO, it is a pretty sordid tale. If the people whom Lynch and associates are courting could see interviews with people like Edg and Barry, Mark Landau, Judith Borque, Ned Wynn, Billy Clayton, Are Holen and match them up with the interviews of celebs like Oprah and others who praise TM - then they could make their own choice. That would be my preference. Until such a thing happens I still don't like frauds and liars and that includes the TMO and its founder and its current leadership and if you don't like it, tough. You act as if it is a given that TM is the BEST treatment for PTSD which it is not, and given the fact there are other meditations that can also be of benefit to vets with PTSD there is no reason to use TM given its baggage. In closing it would be useful to remember that whether PTSD folks meditate or not, there are other more useful in the moment and more necessary modalities that have to be used in a PTSD treatment program for best results, much more important that TM or any other meditation. You can't just use TM or any meditation and expect it to magically dissolve all the markers of PTSD. From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Yes we are working on the grant proposals, none of them have yet been > submitted to any of the philanthropic institutions we are approaching for > funding - what difference does that make anyway? You expressed an intent to help those suffering from PTSD. I was wondering what progress you had made toward that end. > And if you can't understand that having something "good" taught by people who > are not examples of the "good" of that technique perhaps you should learn > something about logic and critical thinking. Ok, you don't like the people who are in charge of the program and so you feel they should be prevented from implementing the program. How's that philosophy working for you? I really have a problem with my banking representative at US Bank. I feel she is unresponsive and arrogant. Do you think I should begin a campaign to have her fired, or should I just find a different bank? (and so I did. find a different bank) > From: seventhray27 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:55 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, > students, prison inmates, etc. > > > Â > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > You offer to challenge me to back up my statements. So challenge me on > > this. I will be very plain. > > > > With TM and the sidhis, either it works or it doesn't work. > > > > If it does work, and the TMO has as m
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc.
Yes we are working on the grant proposals, none of them have yet been submitted to any of the philanthropic institutions we are approaching for funding - what difference does that make anyway? And if you can't understand that having something "good" taught by people who are not examples of the "good" of that technique perhaps you should learn something about logic and critical thinking. From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > You offer to challenge me to back up my statements. So challenge me on this. > I will be very plain. > > With TM and the sidhis, either it works or it doesn't work. > > If it does work, and the TMO has as much money as they appear to, then it is > criminal for them not to initiate a program such as I outlined in this > previous post. If they have the money and can save the world, why are they > not doing it. Back that up. Hey Michael, Why don't you try listening to what I said. I said TM can be judged by the results or lack of results in treating PTSD. I didn't say anything about the sidhis or whether TM produces world peace or any other claim. But you are so locked into your mindset that evidently you are unable to examine this one application without bringing in all your other peeves. That's fine, but it doesn't factor into whether TM helps PTSD or not and it doesn't pertain to the point I was bringing up. As for me, personally, I got results. I got results on the practical level and the spiritual level. And as for backing up claims, it was you that said you were working on grant proposals. Do you understand that? Those were your words, your claim. I asked how that was going and if you actually submitted any proposals. I guess you haven't. I guess that was just something to give you cover as you launch your usual rant.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc.
If the Army and other branches do their will research one hopes they will make use of what they find - experience however shows the wheels of the government including the military grind very slowly. The Pentagon has been studying alternative healing methods since 2008 and have yet to make wide use of them. There is a woman teaching yoga here at Ft. Jackson who is trained in yoga for PTSD through the Yoga Warriors out of Boston, MA http://www.yogawarriors.com/ And they have the two programs at Ft. Hood and Ft. Bliss. From what I recall of what Dr. Jerry Wesch told me, the Ft Hood program has been running for 5 years now and the Ft. Bliss program was in existence about a year or so before the Ft Hood program. The results coming out of both programs show tremendous results, yet the army has not instituted the programs nation wide. So they know it works, but they don't expand it. You offer to challenge me to back up my statements. So challenge me on this. I will be very plain. With TM and the sidhis, either it works or it doesn't work. If it does work, and the TMO has as much money as they appear to, then it is criminal for them not to initiate a program such as I outlined in this previous post. If they have the money and can save the world, why are they not doing it. Back that up. From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc. Hey Michael, Why are you asking me this question? Why don't you ask the parties you have mentioned below. I've only said that the TM technique should be judged on whether it shows results for the treatment of PTSD, or does not show results. I presume that the military will conduct their own research and come to some conclusion about it. You delight in tying every inquiry to your set of pet peeves about the TMO. I get that by now. You claim to have a program which you feel will benefit vets suffering from PTSD, but all I've seen are rants about why TM should not be used for problem. You say you have made grant proposals that incorporate your treatment modalities for PTSD. Did you actually submit any proposals? Would you care to share them, or the broad outlines of such? If you are asking me to defend the corruption or dysfunctionality of the TMO, I will do no such thing. But I will challenge you to back up your statements, or at least try to keep the discussion centered on facts and results, not speculations and personality issues. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Alright especially for Steve and Buck - even though Bob Roth says the TMO has > a "modest income" let's say the Indian English newspapers got it right when > they reported last summer that the Indian arm of the TMO alone is worth over > 1 billion, 114 million US dollars. > > Now if TM and all its other programs are the royal gift and sovereign remedy > for PTSD sufferers, at risk students and prison inmates (as well as everyone > else in the world) why does the TMO through the David Lynch Foundation > continue to beg the public to fund its efforts? > > Why, if TM is as royal a gift as they claim does the TMO not have a dedicated > team of 200 teachers go all over this country teaching TM to these > populations and anyone else who wants it and fund this teaching effort > themselves? > > > If the TMO gave each of these 200 teachers $50,000.00 per year, plus expenses > the total cost of salaries would be 10 million per year. Then adding in > expenses, let's say another 5 million a year. 15 million a year total costs > for teaching, well I don't know how many people a teacher can initiate in one > day, but let's say 7 initiations per teacher per day. > > Let's say that 150 teachers actually initiate and the other 50 have support > roles of some kind. In one week, that would be 1,050 people per week learning > TM, assuming one course per week being taught. Time off for the teacher for 2 > weeks per year vacation, plus no courses on Christmas, Thanksgiving, Fourth > of July and so on. Let's postulate the teachers have 6 weeks per year off for > vacation and holidays. > > > So in one year there would be 46 courses of 1,050 people initiated for a > total of 48,300 people learning TM every year. In the course of 10 years, > there would be an additional 483,000 TM'ers on planet earth at a cost of 150 > million dollars which if the funds were taken from the Indian branch of the > TMO would leave them with nearly 1 billion dollars US. > > The numbers of new initiates could be higher if 2 courses were taught per > week or more TM teachers were paid to do it. If there was really anything to > the idea that the mantra won't work unless there is "dakshina" or an offering > of fruit, flowers and money, the initiates could each give 5 d
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc.
One thing that has never made sense to me is how they can never come up with the 2,000 yogic flyers needed to achieve peace - just a continual donation phase. I would think it would be a tippy top priority. This is an example of one thing that came out re: 9/1l perhaps?. "PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL YOUR MEDITATING FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES 2000 Yogic Flyers Now! would like to pass on the following information regarding Dome Attendance and collective practice of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhis Program. Attendance has been low in the Golden Domes and regional TM centers for months. As a result, collective consciousness of our citizens, and general awareness by national security personnel has been lower than required to ensure safety. The U.S. was taken by complete surprise when indications were available. The obvious was not seen. Alertness, sensitivity, and "gut feelings" by security officers and airline passengers may have stopped the terrorists. Reaction time to airline course changes was too slow. ..." > > From: Ann >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:01 PM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, >students, prison inmates, etc. > > > >Your math looks good, you are a clear, analytic thinker, you have made some >excellent points and I think your questions are very relevant. And no one can >accuse you of inconsistency or lack of doggedness. All in all, an excellent, >non reactive, rational and intelligent post. > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: >> >> Alright especially for Steve and Buck - even though Bob Roth says the TMO >> has a "modest income" let's say the Indian English newspapers got it right >> when they reported last summer that the Indian arm of the TMO alone is worth >> over 1 billion, 114 million US dollars. >> >> Now if TM and all its other programs are the royal gift and sovereign remedy >> for PTSD sufferers, at risk students and prison inmates (as well as everyone >> else in the world) why does the TMO through the David Lynch Foundation >> continue to beg the public to fund its efforts? >> >> Why, if TM is as royal a gift as they claim does the TMO not have a >> dedicated team of 200 teachers go all over this country teaching TM to these >> populations and anyone else who wants it and fund this teaching effort >> themselves? >> >> >> If the TMO gave each of these 200 teachers $50,000.00 per year, plus >> expenses the total cost of salaries would be 10 million per year. Then >> adding in expenses, let's say another 5 million a year. 15 million a year >> total costs for teaching, well I don't know how many people a teacher can >> initiate in one day, but let's say 7 initiations per teacher per day. >> >> Let's say that 150 teachers actually initiate and the other 50 have support >> roles of some kind. In one week, that would be 1,050 people per week >> learning TM, assuming one course per week being taught. Time off for the >> teacher for 2 weeks per year vacation, plus no courses on Christmas, >> Thanksgiving, Fourth of July and so on. Let's postulate the teachers have 6 >> weeks per year off for vacation and holidays. >> >> >> So in one year there would be 46 courses of 1,050 people initiated for a >> total of 48,300 people learning TM every year. In the course of 10 years, >> there would be an additional 483,000 TM'ers on planet earth at a cost of 150 >> million dollars which if the funds were taken from the Indian branch of the >> TMO would leave them with nearly 1 billion dollars US. >> >> The numbers of new initiates could be higher if 2 courses were taught per >> week or more TM teachers were paid to do it. If there was really anything to >> the idea that the mantra won't work unless there is "dakshina" or an >> offering of fruit, flowers and money, the initiates could each give 5 >> dollars as dakshina, this would fulfill the requirements of dakshina, and >> give the TMO teachers $241,500 per year to use as petty cash and help pay >> expenses. >> >> This would also mean that there would be potentially nearly half a million >> new sidhas each year in the US able to do group program together. If the TMO >> would also fund local centers and pay maybe four TM teachers per center to >> run things, have advanced lectures, checking and of course organize local >> group flying. Let's say the cost of this would equal new initiations each >> year, so at the end of 10 years the TMO would have paid out another 150 >> million dollars. >> >> >> This would leave the TMO with over 500 million dollars in assets (assuming >> the Indian TMO is funding things) and more than enough yogic flyers to tip >> the balance from negative energy to positive energy all over the world. If >> the Maharishi Effect is real, this would create world peace in 10 years for >> real. >> >
