Doc, I agree with you and have a question and a comment: do you think of FFL as an organization? I think it's possible to crash and burn AND wake up to reality and go on from there.
________________________________ From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" <doctordumb...@rocketmail.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, students, prison inmates, etc. MJ, take a look at ANY organization in the world, any provider of services, any corporation - you won't find any better. Same people, same issues, same stumbles. And the same phony "invincible" exterior; Marketing and PR. Have you ever tried to manage a group of people, committed to a common goal? It is always really difficult. Progress always demands a cost, and it is always unknown at the inception of any endeavor - hindsight being 20/20, and all. Then, adding to the difficulty, instead of going for something concrete, the TMO is spreading *a mental technique* - very abstract, and open to a lot of misinterpretation. I am not defending anything, or rationalizing anyone's behavior. However, aside from the utopian engine that we all wanted the TMO to be, the people that stick with an organization are always better at perpetuating the organization, than fulfilling its goals. (March of Dimes, or the American Cancer Society, anyone??) So the question kinda becomes, do you crash and burn against a fantasy, or wake up to reality, and go on from there? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I will suggest that you pay attention to the posts I have already made - I > already told you that some of the therapists are already offering > their modalities to victims of trauma of various kinds including PTSD - > some of the people who have come are veterans and some are non-veterans. > > You are incorrect in your assumption "Ok, you don't > like the people who are in charge of the program" > > I don't dislike the people who actually teach TM, it is the people like > David Lynch and Bob Roth who talk up TM on all the talk shows, > continuing the effort to sanitize the image of TM. It is really that I > don't like the way they behave, rather than disliking the people themselves. > > This is also not quite correct: "you feel they should be prevented from > implementing the program" > > I don't feel they should be "prevented" - I just wish the world could see the > real TMO instead of the toothy smiling one they present to the world. I would > like the veteran's organizations, school officials and people in general to > see and hear the white robe gold crown wearing men who give no authority to > women, talking in that nutty TM speak affectation and refusing to walk > through a south facing entrance. This dose of reality in itself would cause a > good many of the people thy are approaching to slam the door in their mood > making faces. > > As to how that philosophy is working for me, not very well since I and others > like me do not have the public's eye and ear the way Oprah and other TM > celebrities do, nor do I own or work in a leadership capacity for ABC news > like George Stephanopoulos and Soledad O'Brien, nor do I own or have any > authority at the Huffington Post like whoever the hell sees to it that the > Huff Post is forever putting those "I love TM" articles in their magazine. > > Were > I to be in such a position, I would have a plethora of stories or > articles about the seamy side of TM, and from all I have seen, > experienced and heard, much of it here on FFL, when you look at the whole > picture of the history of Marshy and the TMO, it is a pretty sordid tale. > > If > the people whom Lynch and associates are courting could see interviews > with people like Edg and Barry, Mark Landau, Judith Borque, Ned Wynn, > Billy Clayton, Are Holen and match them up with the interviews of celebs > like Oprah and others who praise TM - then they could make their own > choice. That would be my preference. > > Until such a thing happens I > still don't like frauds and liars and that includes the TMO and its > founder and its current leadership and if you don't like it, tough. > > You > act as if it is a given that TM is the BEST treatment for PTSD which it > is not, and given the fact there are other meditations that can also be > of benefit to vets with PTSD there is no reason to use TM given its baggage. > > In > closing it would be useful to remember that whether PTSD folks meditate > or not, there are other more useful in the moment and more necessary > modalities that have to be used in a PTSD treatment program for best > results, much more important that TM or any other meditation. You can't > just use TM or any meditation and expect it to magically dissolve all > the markers of PTSD. > > > > ________________________________ > From: seventhray27 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:59 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, > students, prison inmates, etc. > > >  > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Yes we are working on the grant proposals, none of them have yet been > > submitted to any of the philanthropic institutions we are approaching for > > funding - what difference does that make anyway? > You expressed an intent to help those suffering from PTSD. I was wondering > what progress you had made toward that end. > > And if you can't understand that having something "good" taught by people > > who are not examples of the "good" of that technique perhaps you should > > learn something about logic and critical thinking. > Ok, you don't like the people who are in charge of the program and so you > feel they should be prevented from implementing the program. How's that > philosophy working for you? > I really have a problem with my banking representative at US Bank. I feel > she is unresponsive and arrogant. Do you think I should begin a campaign to > have her fired, or should I just find a different bank? (and so I did. > find a different bank) >  ________________________________ > > From: seventhray27 > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:55 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, > > students, prison inmates, etc. > > > > > >  > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > You offer to challenge me to back up my statements. So challenge me on > > > this. I will be very plain. > > > > > > With TM and the sidhis, either it works or it doesn't work. > > > > > > If it does work, and the TMO has as much money as they appear to, then it > > > is criminal for them not to initiate a program such as I outlined in this > > > previous post. If they have the money and can save the world, why are > > > they not doing it. Back that up. > > > > Hey Michael, Why don't you try listening to what I said. I said TM can > > be judged by the results or lack of results in treating PTSD. I didn't > > say anything about the sidhis or whether TM produces world peace or any > > other claim. > > But you are so locked into your mindset that evidently you are unable to > > examine this one application without bringing in all your other > > peeves. > > That's fine, but it doesn't factor into whether TM helps PTSD or not and it > > doesn't pertain to the point I was bringing up. > > As for me, personally, I got results. I got results on the practical > > level and the spiritual level. > > And as for backing up claims, it was you that said you were working on > > grant proposals. Do you understand that? Those were your words, > > your claim. I asked how that was going and if you actually submitted > > any proposals. I guess you haven't. I guess that was just something > > to give you cover as you launch your usual rant. > > >
