--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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> > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > snip
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> > > And also when Maharishi speaks about being
> instantly
> > > enlightened
> > > once
On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
> schemes that you found?
No because you just want to start an argument.
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On 10/5/05 11:52 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
> jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
> everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
> Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
> sorta thing.
A
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly
> enlightened
> once we transcend for the first time. ...
I've never heard MMY say anything remotely close to
this. MMY always presented enlightenment from the
"gradual school" perspectiv
On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
> couldn't say. But I've heard TM teachers say that
> at first it was just "Do less and accomplish more."
>
> Back in 1967, did you understand "Do nothing and
> accomplish everythin
on 10/4/05 7:33 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> In this case, MMY started out with "Do less and
>> accomplish more," which was understood to be simply a
>> claim of more efficient action as a result o
On 10/4/05 4:37 PM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment,
>> then there is a
>>> general concensus even among other Sa
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment,
> then there is a
> > general concensus even among other Sages such as
> Adi Da, Swami
> > Sivananda, Yogananda, and philsopher
On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment, then there is a
> general concensus even among other Sages such as Adi Da, Swami
> Sivananda, Yogananda, and philsophers such as Ken Wilber; that Ramana
> was not only Enlightened
On 10/3/05 12:37 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
>>> a virtue;
>>
>> He's merely sayi
On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
> a virtue;
He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the
non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't mean you are
enlightened.' I fin
On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
>>> Western students, saying how easi
On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
> Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
> I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
I must have missed that. Please explain.
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Or we just see them as old friends. If we know how to relax into the natural
state, we can take notice and they self-liberate--as the yogis say 'like dew
in the sun'.
" In self-liberation observing the object¹ (gcer-grol), by looking directly
at the discursive, intuitive or super-subtle thought t
On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though,
> to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
> is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter.
Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He transmitt
On 10/2/05 9:21 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> 1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin "tradition": Ramana Maharshi,
>> HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen,
>> Adi Da, etc
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