Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-07 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > > And also when Maharishi speaks about being > instantly > > > enlightened > > > once

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread Vaj
On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick > schemes that you found? No because you just want to start an argument. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your fav

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread Vaj
On 10/5/05 11:52 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing > jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish > everything without doing a damned thing themselves. > Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that > sorta thing. A

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly > enlightened > once we transcend for the first time. ... I've never heard MMY say anything remotely close to this. MMY always presented enlightenment from the "gradual school" perspectiv

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-05 Thread Vaj
On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I > couldn't say. But I've heard TM teachers say that > at first it was just "Do less and accomplish more." > > Back in 1967, did you understand "Do nothing and > accomplish everythin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-04 Thread Rick Archer
on 10/4/05 7:33 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> In this case, MMY started out with "Do less and >> accomplish more," which was understood to be simply a >> claim of more efficient action as a result o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-04 Thread Vaj
On 10/4/05 4:37 PM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment, >> then there is a >>> general concensus even among other Sa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-04 Thread Peter
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment, > then there is a > > general concensus even among other Sages such as > Adi Da, Swami > > Sivananda, Yogananda, and philsopher

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-04 Thread Vaj
On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment, then there is a > general concensus even among other Sages such as Adi Da, Swami > Sivananda, Yogananda, and philsophers such as Ken Wilber; that Ramana > was not only Enlightened

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
On 10/3/05 12:37 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's >>> a virtue; >> >> He's merely sayi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's > a virtue; He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't mean you are enlightened.' I fin

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his >>> Western students, saying how easi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his > Western students, saying how easily they were fooled. > I guess that's really a virtue, then, no? I must have missed that. Please explain. Yahoo!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
Or we just see them as old friends. If we know how to relax into the natural state, we can take notice and they self-liberate--as the yogis say 'like dew in the sun'. " In Œself-liberation observing the object¹ (gcer-grol), by looking directly at the discursive, intuitive or super-subtle thought t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though, > to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji > is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter. Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He transmitt

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dangers of Pseudo-Advaita

2005-10-03 Thread Vaj
On 10/2/05 9:21 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin "tradition": Ramana Maharshi, >> HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen, >> Adi Da, etc