Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-21 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/21/06 3:43 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Which songs were they involved with? I can't think of any other than
>>> "A Day
 in the Life"
>>> 
>>> Every song on the album.
>> 
>> I'll give it another listen, but as I recall most of the songs were
>> performed with instruments the Beatles played themselves, enhanced with
>> studio effects.
> 
> Listen to it. The whole album was played in with the LSO (maybe what
> you hear as 'studio effects'), every single song. Of course the
> Beatles played their own instruments.

Looks to me from 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper's_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band that only
"A Day in the Life" involved the LSO.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-21 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/21/06 2:11 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Would Life of Brian ever have seen the light of day without
>> MMY, for example?
> 
> This is your mind on self importance. :-)
> 
> It's also one of the stupidest things I've ever
> heard anyone say on this forum. Congratulations.

Yeah, I wondered about that comment. Life of Brian was Monty Python, right?
What does that have to do with MMY?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-21 Thread Sal Sunshine
One could easily ask the same thing of you Peter...if you find the discussions here so distasteful, why stick around?  Why not go to greener pastures?  Why not just let this group be?  Maybe you don't have anything else?


On Mar 20, 2006, at 9:02 PM, peterklutz wrote:

aving visited this group on and off for some time now I think the
 world just might have been a better place without the Beatles / MMY
 thing. I say because what I meet here are a collection of grumpy
 oldish people who project the failures they perceive in their own
 lives on some external factor totally unrelated to this failure.

 Why cling to this never-ending whining about the TMO? 

 If you really don't like it, just "let it be".

 Or maybe you don't have anything else?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-20 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/20/06 10:00 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> Also, Sgt
>>> Pepper success and quality was partely due to the involvement of the
>>> London Symphoney Orchester, the orchestration for which was almost
>>> exclusively written by George Martin.The effort that was put into the
>>> album was immense.
>> 
>> Which songs were they involved with? I can't think of any other than
> "A Day
>> in the Life"
> 
> Every song on the album.

I'll give it another listen, but as I recall most of the songs were
performed with instruments the Beatles played themselves, enhanced with
studio effects.
> 
> Surely the Beatles made MMY known to a larger audience. If none of us
> would have heard of him otherwise is something I simply do not know.
> The great wave of initiations came only in the early 70ies, 2 or 3
> years after the split up of the Beatles.

There were two waves: Beatles wave, which I caught the tail end of, and Merv
wave, which resulted when people in the Beatles wave had become initiators,
and had built up enough initiations, including Merv, who was initiated by
David Rosencrantz, who became a teacher in Estes Park, 1970.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-20 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/20/06 9:41 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> The album that pops to the top of my list for Best
> Album Ever -- right here, right now -- is Bob Marley's
> "Exodus."  And I'm not alone.  Time magazine named
> that one the most important and influential record
> album of the twentieth century.

Thanks. I'll check it out. A good place to do that is Rhapsody. For
$10/month, you can listen to just about anything. I'm sure I'll find the
album there.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-20 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/20/06 8:05 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Not to take anything away from Sgt. Pepper. It was for a
>> long time the most *successfull* album, if it was the
>> best ever is a matter of taste of course.
> 
> Just a few points on this. The Beatles' most successful
> album in terms of sales was far and away the White Album
> (Number 9 on the RIAA list of all-time best sellers).
> Next (at positions 17 and 24) are the two retrospective
> albums, then Abbey Road (#44). Sgt. Pepper shows up at
> number 52.

A very recent survey in Rolling Stone voted Sgt. Pepper the best of all
time. Which album would you choose? I'd have to put "Days of Future Past" by
the Moody Blues right up there too.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-20 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/20/06 4:00 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>> Freeze time at just the moment before Maharishi came into the lives of
>>> the Beatles and extrapolate from there: where would they and their
>>> music have been without the creative influence MMY had on them?
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper's_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band
>> 
>> Sgt. Pepper came out before the Beatles met Maharishi. It is widely
> regarded
>> as the greatest rock album ever. Way better than the White Album,
> IMO. If
>> they had done nothing after Sgt. Pepper, they would still be
> remembered as
>> the greatest rock band ever.
> 
> Not to take anything away from Sgt. Pepper. It was for a long time the
> most *successfull* album, if it was the best ever is a matter of taste
> of course. You seem to forget that right after Sgt Pepper, Magical
> Mystery Tour came out, which was a total flop, and was regarded as one
> of their worst albums, *before* they went to India with MMY. Also, Sgt
> Pepper success and quality was partely due to the involvement of the
> London Symphoney Orchester, the orchestration for which was almost
> exclusively written by George Martin.The effort that was put into the
> album was immense.

Which songs were they involved with? I can't think of any other than "A Day
in the Life"

>After that, and after the failure of Magical
> Mystery Tour. the Beatles wanted to go back to a more basic style,
> which was done in the white Album. But the white album was a double
> album and contained many more songs, many of them where very simple,
> some just using acoustic guitar and voice, like 'Blackbird' According
> to George Martin the material should have been edited to just one
> album, working more on a selection of the better songs. So clearly,
> the problem was not a lack of creativity and song material. In fact
> the Beatles had written so much material in Rishikesh, that it still
> was used for two more albums, Let it Be and Abbey Road. Some of the
> compositions were only released after the Beatles had split, like
> 'Jealous Guy' one of the most beautiful balads of John next to
> imagine. 'Across the Universe' was also written in Rishikesh. So all
> in all, the period of Rishikesh itself, and after it was extremely
> creative, 'Hey jude' was just written right after the Indian visit by
> Paul and is regarded as one of the Beatles biggest success. Just the
> White Album was badly edited and contained too many songs.

I agree with your observations. I was just responding to Peter's assertion
that the Beatles would have been nothing without Maharishi's influence. I
think one could argue the opposite: that none of us would have heard of
Maharishi, wouldn't have learned TM, and wouldn't have been having this
discussion because this forum wouldn't have existed without the Beatles'
influence.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-20 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/19/06 10:02 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> 
>> on 3/19/06 12:47 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the question is how would the Beatles have done without
> Maharishi?
>> 
>> They were already doing great before him. Strange question.
>> 
> 
> Freeze time at just the moment before Maharishi came into the lives of
> the Beatles and extrapolate from there: where would they and their
> music have been without the creative influence MMY had on them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper's_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band

Sgt. Pepper came out before the Beatles met Maharishi. It is widely regarded
as the greatest rock album ever. Way better than the White Album, IMO. If
they had done nothing after Sgt. Pepper, they would still be remembered as
the greatest rock band ever.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-19 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 3/19/06 1:35:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> You 
  didn't say "pure" democray. We have a  Democratic  Republic and 
  it works > very well.>WHy would I have to say 
  "pure?" I left out "pure" but it should have been obvious from 
  context.

No, not necessarily, we speak of democracy very loosely all 
the time. How many times have we heard MMY damn democracy saying it's no good 
and it doesn't work. Yet he wasn't speaking of a pure democracy. He was speaking 
of democratic republics. Nobody speaks of pure democracy without qualifying it 
as pure democracy because it isn't a system in use on a national governmental 
level.How many times do we all hear politicians speak about democracy in the 
world , yet we all know they don't mean pure democracy as originally 
envisioned. So no, what you really meant, was not so obvious from the 
beginning although one could have assumed that is what you may have 
meant.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-19 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 3/19/06 1:03:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Name a 
  place -- country, province/state, city, town -- that has a pure democratic 
  government.

You didn't say "pure" democray. We have a  Democratic 
Republic and it works very well.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-19 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 3/19/06 12:42:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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Demacracy has never worked in any population larger than 
  Athens.

Really?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-19 Thread Vaj

On Mar 19, 2006, at 11:02 AM, peterklutz wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > on 3/19/06 12:47 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > I think the question is how would the Beatles have done without
> Maharishi?
> >
> > They were already doing great before him. Strange question.
> >
>
> Freeze time at just the moment before Maharishi came into the lives of
> the Beatles and extrapolate from there: where would they and their
> music have been without the creative influence MMY had on them?

Paul McCartney continued to smoke huge amounts of ganja. John Lennon  
became an heroin addict. Ringo remained an alchoholic. George ending  
up dying from complications of cigarette addiction.

Jai Guru Dev.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-19 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/19/06 12:59 AM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> It really was not until the seventies, around 1975, that the movement
> really took off, with the Merv shows, and the many celebraties that
> had started TM at the time, and were helping to spread the message.

But that's because a wave of new initiations, and initiators, resulted from
the Beatles involvement with TM. Those initiators made the Merv wave
possible. Merv probably wouldn't have heard of TM without the Beatles.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-19 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/19/06 12:47 AM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I think the question is how would the Beatles have done without Maharishi?

They were already doing great before him. Strange question.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
OK, maybe that was the wrong word.  I have heard he won't come for fear of being subpoenaed.  

Sal


On Mar 18, 2006, at 9:20 PM, gullible fool wrote:

 I am familiar with the subpoenas, but being banned is
 a whole 'nother story.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
What a bizarre picture.

Sal


On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 wrote:
 >

 [snip]

 > 
 > Why you and the other TBs here are always so annoyed by questions 
 about 
 > the Beatles or even any references to them is beyond me, since 
 without 
 > them it's unlikely most others would ever have heard of MMY.
 > 

 [snip]

 Too true.

 That's why a while back I linked to the following photo with the 
 comment: Here's the person responsible for you starting TM:

http://www.aepnet.de/user/Micheel/BEATLES/Pattie%20Boyd.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
Methinks you protesteth *way* too loudly, Judy.

Sal


On Mar 18, 2006, at 2:31 PM, authfriend wrote:

 Not true, at least of the post (mine) Sal was commenting
 on.  Not only am I not a TB, but I wasn't in the least
 annoyed at the reporters' questions on the Beatles, and
 there was *nothing* in my post that could have been
 interpreted that way.  Nothing, zero, zilch, nada,
 rien, nichts, bubkes.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-18 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference





on 3/18/06 5:52 AM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yeah, asking MMY perfectly obvious questions about his 4 most famous followers is really pushing the poor guy around.  I mean, who could have predicted he'd ask that?  That awful reporter pushed so hard it's a wonder MMY didn't just fall right off the brink at that point. 

Why you and the other TBs here are always so annoyed by questions about the Beatles or even any references to them is beyond me, since without them it's unlikely most others would ever have heard of MMY. 

if the Beatles hadn’t left Maharishi and were still a feather in his cap, he’d be happy to talk about them. He gets upset because they were a source of embarrassment to him. They, (especially Lennon) spread embarrassing rumors about him, and he knows that a mention of the Beatles vis a vis MMY brings those rumors to people’s minds.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/18/06 12:31 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> By the way, just a simple question for those who have
> actually seen the videotape. Were these reporters in
> the same room with Maharishi, or was he talking to
> them via a video feed?

Video feed.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
Yeah, asking MMY perfectly obvious questions about his 4 most famous followers is really pushing the poor guy around.  I mean, who could have predicted he'd ask that?  That awful reporter pushed so hard it's a wonder MMY didn't just fall right off the brink at that point.

Why you and the other TBs here are always so annoyed by questions about the Beatles or even any references to them is beyond me, since without them it's unlikely most others would ever have heard of MMY.

Sal


On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:12 AM, authfriend wrote:

 On the other hand, I didn't think MMY reacted badly
 (same caveat about not having seen the video).
 The reporters, although perfectly polite, were
 certainly *prodding*, and MMY simply didn't let them.

 That's pretty much par for the course when reporters
 interview a Big Deal.  The reporters push, and the
 Big Deal pushes back and says what *he* wants to say.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
He can't go to the US or India, from what I understand, for various legal reasons.  Maybe a couple of other countries.  You mean you really hadn't heard about the subpoenas over here?

Sal


On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:57 PM, gullible fool wrote:

 > why MMY is banned 
 > from so many countries, and on and on.

 This is new to me. Can you elaborate?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 17, 2006, at 7:17 PM, bbrigante wrote:

 And the second question, Sunshine:

 David JONES: One more question then on that subject, about, and it
 is
 about
 the Beatles.  Do you regret, do you regret now having ever become
 involved
 with them, because then your movement became associated with
 celebrity,
 with
 you know, you know popular music and so on. Do you regret that
 period?

Ah, yes, my mistake, Herr Brigante.

Seems to me that you and a couple of others have put yourselves in the position of viewing almost any and all questions for MMY as being infused with hidden cynicism. They can't be just respectful, they have to be downright reverential.  The reporter was simply trying to follow up on his previous question, to which he had gotten a typical non-response.  It was a natural question, they are MMY's most famous followers, like it or not, and it could hardly have been a surprise. The reporter was English from an English paper.   MMY didn't have to agree to the interview or to talk with the reporter--he wants the publicity but not the questions.  

And Judy's comment apropos "Gotcha."  Anyone who thinks that a reporter for a respected newspaper is going to take some kind of sick delight in putting an elderly, frail and obviously sick man on the spot...well, that's pretty sick in itself.   If he had wanted to make MMY look bad, there are so  many other things he could have asked about--the shady business dealings, the feud with the Kaplans involving the misappropriation of tens of millions, Mia Farrow, why MMY is banned from so many countries, and on and on. But he didn't.  If anyone was disrespectful during the interview, it was MMY, not the reporter, who seemed to go out of his way several times to be as polite as possible, and to let MMY know that he was welcome back in England any time.   


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:11 PM, bbrigante wrote:

 didn't see the tape with NYT reporter, but last week I watched MOU 
 live (I don't know the date of the press conference) with a reporter 
 in the MOU studio from a British rag 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/news/thenews.html , David 
 Jones, who asked really dumb questions about the Beatles.

One question about the Beatles, Bob, and it wasn't dumb:

 David JONES: I  . I hesitate to mention the Beatles word.  I know 
you 
don't 
particularly like going back all those years, but British - English 
people 
of course associate you with, with that, with the Beatles, and with 
that 
period and they haven't themselves,  they haven't enjoyed, like er, 
they 
haven't enjoyed always a a  particularly good fate since, since 
their, 
since 
their encounter with Transcendental, Transcendental Meditation it's 
fair to 
say.  I mean two of them of course are no longer with us.  Can you 
explain 
perhaps why, why they didn't gain these benefits that we're talking 
about, 
that I would gain as a writer and as a reporter?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Latest press conference

2006-03-16 Thread Rick Archer
>From the same friend:

We watched the entire press conference today and just as Maharishi seemed
about to show his displeasure with the questions by the NYT reporter there
was a cut to John asking a question from CNN. So we'll never see how he
handled it. My friend said Maharishi was waiving his hands in the air and
going on about how superficial the reporter was.




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