Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. Good plan. :-) To mix them could be a mistake of...dare I say it... Biblical Proportions Biblical Proportions View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
One of the best posts I have read here on FFL: Perfectly describes the TMO and most other guru deals If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. But most movements only partially transform and do not release, they try to hold on to you. They cannot let you succeed because if you do, you will not need them for anything. So a corrupt spiritual movement wants you to believe certain things so you cannot reason, because you need to be able to reason to work your way through the veil of ignorance, for if you do that, you will see the beliefs are always false, if you go far enough. A spiritual system is like a septic system, crap in one end, and reasonably clear water out the other. A corrupt spiritual system is like a clogged gold-plated sewer pipe. Looks nice on the outside, but inside... From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. In the past Edg has made some rather interesting posts but infrequently. His great dissatisfaction with things TM only came to my awareness with this recent series of posts. Now I have been dissatisfied with many things the TMO does, but I always had a certain detachment from it all, for one thing, I had certain goals, I started TM at a later age than many here did, I was not enamoured of Maharishi, only if what he said was useful for me at a particular time was he important to me, and I had some rudimentary knowledge of other traditions so the stuff in the TM movement was something I had to collate with what went before, it did not replace what went before (that of course is a TMO no no). Gurus were tools for me. What I got from the tools related to my goals and everything else was on the outskirts of it all. I think I must have been at MIU during part of the time Edg was there, but I tend not to remember people's names very well, and am kind of reclusive. I do not think I personally have met anyone on this forum except, briefly, Rick Archer, but who knows, I may have met more. Maharishi was useful for me when he was useful, but it was almost always by proxy. I only saw him, I think, three times in person. Noticing how the movement handled money, and that it always went one way, I was always careful to not give them any for projects. I spent more on a few residence courses in the mid-seventies than I ever spent on techniques, unless you count my time working in the movement as cash spent. But I was there for my own reasons, not for Maharishi. Devotion to a teacher was not my path; my was somewhat undefined, but it was based on a moderately clear experience before I learned any form of meditation, so that experience was my guiding star, the criterion for sorting what to pursue or not. It meant whatever enlightenment was about, it was a larger framework than gurus and organisations, that they were at best in the service or disservice of realisation, and could be sorted in or out on that basis of having an outline, so to speak, of the larger framework. If something did not work, I would tinker with it until it did or I dropped it. There are certain restrictions on what you can do when in the movement, but the main thing was not to turn over one's rational thinking and retain a curious, investigative mind, so one could sort through worth and worthless, and to avoid letting the movement get emotional hooks into you. So Maharishi's shortcomings, and the failings of his lackeys and the general twisted machinations seems to have affected me much less than Michael or Edg as far a negative impressions. Negative and positive impressions were not where it was at for me. You might say I just stumbled through the whole thing and finally got back to where I began. So for me the final result was positive, but I was not sure of that until this last decade. As for now, I do not see the movement has anything to offer of value to me now. If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. Transform and release is the process. But most
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
get emotional hooks into you. So Maharishi's shortcomings, and the failings of his lackeys and the general twisted machinations seems to have affected me much less than Michael or Edg as far a negative impressions. I can relate. I understand what you're saying. Did you become a TM teacher? I find that many of those who hold the biggest grudges/resentments are those that invested the most time and energy. I think in MJ's case he was treated badly by arrogant and unimaginative assholes who ran the MIU staff and who were generally in charge. Staff is worked hard at MIU and to feel like slaves and to be disregarded is enough to make one pretty mad after a while (is that a samskara peeking its head out, when you resent being bullied?). Negative and positive impressions were not where it was at for me. You might say I just stumbled through the whole thing and finally got back to where I began. So for me the final result was positive, but I was not sure of that until this last decade. As for now, I do not see the movement has anything to offer of value to me now. No, I think my TM/Movement days are long over. If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. Transform and release is the process. But most movements only partially transform and do not release, they try to hold on to you. They cannot let you succeed because if you do, you will not need them for anything. So a corrupt spiritual movement wants you to believe certain things so you cannot reason, because you need to be able to reason to work your way through the veil of ignorance, for if you do that, you will see the beliefs are always false, if you go far enough. Here you are speaking from either some experience I have never had or you have come to this conclusion through observation. I have not been involved in any other movement other than following the drama that surrounded RWC and, after a while, it wasn't about enlightenment so much as engaging in the processes of recognizing and attempting to split the divine from the demonic. It was easy to get caught up in the lifestyle, the fully engaging lifestyle we all lived around him and with each other. It was the ultimate summer camp, the spiritual Las Vegas. A spiritual system is like a septic system, crap in one end, and reasonably clear water out the other. A corrupt spiritual system is like a clogged gold-plated sewer pipe. Looks nice on the outside, but inside... I avoid anything too structured in the way of spiritual systems. I tend to move with the pole star, turn where the wind pushes me and listen to the tree frogs. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify for the fluff file.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. Good plan. :-) To mix them could be a mistake of...dare I say it... Biblical Proportions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0; class=ygrps-yiv-1735639076link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper ygrps-yiv-1735639076link-enhancr-element Biblical Proportions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : A spiritual system is like a septic system, crap in one end, and reasonably clear water out the other. A corrupt spiritual system is like a clogged gold-plated sewer pipe. Looks nice on the outside, but inside... You got almost everything backwards in this post. Without a spiritual system, crap goes into one end and crap comes out the other end. With a filtering system, crap still goes in one end, but almost clear water comes out the other. Crap looks bad on the outside but the water on the inside looks good. My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. In the past Edg has made some rather interesting posts but infrequently. His great dissatisfaction with things TM only came to my awareness with this recent series of posts. Now I have been dissatisfied with many things the TMO does, but I always had a certain detachment from it all, for one thing, I had certain goals, I started TM at a later age than many here did, I was not enamoured of Maharishi, only if what he said was useful for me at a particular time was he important to me, and I had some rudimentary knowledge of other traditions so the stuff in the TM movement was something I had to collate with what went before, it did not replace what went before (that of course is a TMO no no). Gurus were tools for me. What I got from the tools related to my goals and everything else was on the outskirts of it all. I think I must have been at MIU during part of the time Edg was there, but I tend not to remember people's names very well, and am kind of reclusive. I do not think I personally have met anyone on this forum except, briefly, Rick Archer, but who knows, I may have met more. Maharishi was useful for me when he was useful, but it was almost always by proxy. I only saw him, I think, three times in person. Noticing how the movement handled money, and that it always went one way, I was always careful to not give them any for projects. I spent more on a few residence courses in the mid-seventies than I ever spent on techniques, unless you count my time working in the movement as cash spent. But I was there for my own reasons, not for Maharishi. Devotion to a teacher was not my path; my was somewhat undefined, but it was based on a moderately clear experience before I learned any form of meditation, so that experience was my guiding star, the criterion for sorting what to pursue or not. It meant whatever enlightenment was about, it was a larger framework than gurus and organisations, that they were at best in the service or disservice of realisation, and could be sorted in or out on that basis of having an outline, so to speak, of the larger framework. If something did not work, I would tinker with it until it did or I dropped it. There are certain restrictions on what you can do when in the movement, but the main thing was not to turn over one's rational thinking and retain a curious, investigative mind, so one could sort through worth and worthless, and to avoid letting the movement get emotional hooks into you. So Maharishi's shortcomings, and the failings of his lackeys and the general twisted machinations seems to have affected me much less than Michael or Edg as far a negative impressions. Negative and positive impressions were not where it was at for me. You might say I just stumbled through the whole thing and finally got back to where I began. So for me the final result was positive, but I was not sure of that until this last decade. As for now, I do not see the movement has anything to offer of value to me now. If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. Transform and release is the process. But most movements only partially transform and do not release, they try to hold on to you. They cannot let you succeed because if you do, you will not need them for anything. So a corrupt spiritual movement wants you to believe certain things so you cannot reason, because you need to be able to reason to work your way through the veil of ignorance, for if you do that, you will see the beliefs are always false, if you go far enough. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. ---In FairfieldLife
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. In the past Edg has made some rather interesting posts but infrequently. His great dissatisfaction with things TM only came to my awareness with this recent series of posts. Now I have been dissatisfied with many things the TMO does, but I always had a certain detachment from it all, for one thing, I had certain goals, I started TM at a later age than many here did, I was not enamoured of Maharishi, only if what he said was useful for me at a particular time was he important to me, and I had some rudimentary knowledge of other traditions so the stuff in the TM movement was something I had to collate with what went before, it did not replace what went before (that of course is a TMO no no). Gurus were tools for me. What I got from the tools related to my goals and everything else was on the outskirts of it all. I think I must have been at MIU during part of the time Edg was there, but I tend not to remember people's names very well, and am kind of reclusive. I do not think I personally have met anyone on this forum except, briefly, Rick Archer, but who knows, I may have met more. Maharishi was useful for me when he was useful, but it was almost always by proxy. I only saw him, I think, three times in person. Noticing how the movement handled money, and that it always went one way, I was always careful to not give them any for projects. I spent more on a few residence courses in the mid-seventies than I ever spent on techniques, unless you count my time working in the movement as cash spent. But I was there for my own reasons, not for Maharishi. Devotion to a teacher was not my path; my was somewhat undefined, but it was based on a moderately clear experience before I learned any form of meditation, so that experience was my guiding star, the criterion for sorting what to pursue or not. It meant whatever enlightenment was about, it was a larger framework than gurus and organisations, that they were at best in the service or disservice of realisation, and could be sorted in or out on that basis of having an outline, so to speak, of the larger framework. If something did not work, I would tinker with it until it did or I dropped it. There are certain restrictions on what you can do when in the movement, but the main thing was not to turn over one's rational thinking and retain a curious, investigative mind, so one could sort through worth and worthless, and to avoid letting the movement get emotional hooks into you. So Maharishi's shortcomings, and the failings of his lackeys and the general twisted machinations seems to have affected me much less than Michael or Edg as far a negative impressions. Negative and positive impressions were not where it was at for me. You might say I just stumbled through the whole thing and finally got back to where I began. So for me the final result was positive, but I was not sure of that until this last decade. As for now, I do not see the movement has anything to offer of value to me now. If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. Transform and release is the process. But most movements only partially transform and do not release, they try to hold on to you. They cannot let you succeed because if you do, you will not need them for anything. So a corrupt spiritual movement wants you to believe certain things so you cannot reason, because you need to be able to reason to work your way through the veil of ignorance, for if you do that, you will see the beliefs are always false, if you go far enough. A spiritual system is like a septic system, crap in one end, and reasonably clear water out the other. A corrupt spiritual system is like a clogged gold-plated sewer pipe. Looks nice on the outside, but inside... From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify for the fluff file.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn to shit. It looks like he got mad again and snipped your message. Why do some of his messages indicate violent tendencies? So far, we've been compared to pedophile priests, warmongers, to be nuked and called a terrorist - now a challenge to a fistfight on a public elevator. No wonder he got kicked out of the TMO. Yikes! And, Rick Archer's big issue is, I'm posting too much. Is this screwed up or what? Go figure. I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me? Up yours with a fence post for all the past shit you've tossed at me for not getting it when you're the FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs. Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET... If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video. I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a place to meditate, ya see? I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in three places. Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE. Ya think I can put my body weight behind my jab? You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're a fucking turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag. I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn to shit. It looks like he got mad again and snipped your message. Why do some of his messages indicate violent tendencies? So far, we've been compared to pedophile priests, warmongers, to be nuked and called a terrorist - now a challenge to a fistfight on a public elevator. No wonder he got kicked out of the TMO. Yikes! And, Rick Archer's big issue is, I'm posting too much. Is this screwed up or what? Go figure. I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me? Up yours with a fence post for all the past shit you've tossed at me for not getting it when you're the FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs. Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET... If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video. I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a place to meditate, ya see? I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in three places. Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE. Ya think I can put my body weight behind my jab? You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're a fucking turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag. I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND. My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify for the fluff file.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
I suspect we might find the answer at the end of about six paragraphs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn to shit. It looks like he got mad again and snipped your message. Why do some of his messages indicate violent tendencies? So far, we've been compared to pedophile priests, warmongers, to be nuked and called a terrorist - now a challenge to a fistfight on a public elevator. No wonder he got kicked out of the TMO. Yikes! And, Rick Archer's big issue is, I'm posting too much. Is this screwed up or what? Go figure. I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me? Up yours with a fence post for all the past shit you've tossed at me for not getting it when you're the FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs. Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET... If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video. I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a place to meditate, ya see? I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in three places. Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE. Ya think I can put my body weight behind my jab? You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're a fucking turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag. I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND. My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify for the fluff file.
