Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
bob_brigante wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard J. Williams wrote: feste wrote: The Communist Party in the US is not illegal. The US government outlawed the CPUSA with the Communist Control Act in 1954. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA The Supreme Court of the United States has not ruled on the act's constitutionality, and civil libertarians remain divided on the issues of the constitutionality and wisdom of the act. No administration has tried to enforce it. Again: No administration has tried to enforce it. http://www.answers.com/topic/communist-control-act-of-1954 I kinda thought the Wikipedia entry was a little truncated. I've talked to members of the Communist Party at peace marches and I think you have little to fear from them Willy. BTW, Gus Hall was an occasional guest on the TV show I worked on in the 1970s. Kind of a wacky guy, a little like you in fact. :D :D :D :D :D *** Membership per se was never illegal, but the govt would harass the hell out of you nonetheless: Membership in the Communist party dropped to about 10,000 by 1957, even though it was never illegal to be a member. http://pages.citebite.com/v7l2p9e7ujjc People like Willy and Shemp are Me people. They would like the whole pie for themselves. The coming age is for the We people where things are split up more evenly and they just can't stand that. They see it as communism.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
shempmcgurk wrote: Oh, Bhai-Bhai, you're so cute when you're baiting me! What I can't stand are policies that use the tool of government to redistribute wealth for the purpose of -- as you put it -- splitting things up more evenly. You think it's some sort of just and humanitarian thing but experience has shown that these attempts do precisely the opposite: such policies make the lot of the poorest worse and puts, disproportionately, power and money into the hands of the few. History proves you wrong. The great irony is that capitalism and free markets do precisely the OPPOSITE of what one intuitively thinks they'll do. Capitalism distributes wealth the MOST evenly and brings up the lot of the poorest better than any other system. And socialist principles do the opposite of what socialists want it to do: they put the poor down, discourages them, and makes slaves out of them...while putting money in the hands of those that least deserve it: the elites. Well you apparently missed this article I posted a link to: http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2008/200808/20080811/article_370020_0.htm Love the cartoon at the top which says the whole thing. Your ideology has failed and unfortunately the pendulum is about to swing the other way, probably too far the other way. The US was founded on a principle of using socialism where appropriate: things that need to be in the commons stay that way and not privatized. But big business since the inception of this country has fought against it. It is the war of the selfish against the selfless. Nobody's saying that you can't run a business. Indeed one of the failures of Russia's state capitalism (no it wasn't communism) was that it tried to run everything including small businesses. That's foolish as the bureaucracy to do the is way too large. Instead they should have just run the things that needed to stay in the commons and let the citizens run the small shops. They failed and would up with an oligarchy as they have now. Do you think that oligarchies are good? That's why I support free markets and minimizing of governmental interference...and I especially oppose governmental plans to redistribute wealth. Doesn't work...we've had a century of experiments on this very thing and we should have learnt from it. That's why it is so disheartening to see people like Bhairitu come around and spout these principles. If a smart person like that doesn't get it, where is the hope for the rest of us? Government shouldn't redistribute wealth but instead discourage the hoarding of wealth through high taxes on the wealthy. It worked very well when we had such tax rates. We didn't have billionaires making insane judgments and blowing society off course. But maybe you want to live under feudalism?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, the deregulated 'free market' financial industry has worked out just fine. Just ask people who work for companies like Bears Sterns and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They'll tell you how nicely their deregulated industry is doing. Maybe a few of the millions of American homeowners who are or have been foreclosed can help sing the praises of deregulated free markets too. Fuck them. I repeat: FUCK THEM. For every person that defaulted, there are about 11 mortgage holders that didn't. And the banks and other financial institutions that screwed up (and lost $500 billion by the way) can also fuck off. I have ZERO sympathy for those people. Let them go on welfare. Social Darwinism. Let them be selected against. They are NOT good candidates for being homeowners if they behave like that. And I vomit over the federal government's attempts to bail out these losers because who's going to pay the bill for the defaulters? The people who were RESPONSIBLE mortgage-holders and did NOT default. Oh, how terrible; they lost their homes. Wa-wa-wa. My heart does NOT bleed for them. They lost their homes because your people lied to them and told them the economy was just going to be fine. And of course the economy isn't just fine. It's in a heap of trouble. And a lot of people defaulting didn't exactly buy monster homes either. I think your people *want* the public to lose their homes and go broke so they can be feudal lords over them (and your attitude shows just that). They tried this before, in the 1920's. There was a housing boom back then and then the bubble burst in 1927 and that lead to the stock market crash in 1929 and the Great Depression in 1932. Where did you think all the boarding houses came from? Those were the monster homes that people bought during the roaring 20's and had to turn in to boarding houses when they couldn't afford the mortgage.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
Richard J. Williams wrote: There are no communists anymore in case you haven't noticed. Bharat2 wrote: Funny, I don't see Russia on that list. Fuuny, I know you are stupid, but I didn't think you were this stupid. You seem to be a fellow traveler. What's up with that? Leading political parties in Russia include United Russia, the Communist Party, the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia and Fair Russia. Read more: Russia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia The party is part of a coalition of leftist and communist parties known in the national media as the Left Front. Communist Party of India: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_India Russia is an oligarchy much like the US. Please keep up to date.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
Richard J. Williams wrote: You seem to be a fellow traveler. Bhairitu wrote: Russia is an oligarchy much like the US. There are lots of communists in Russia and there are lots of communist fellow travelers. In the U.S., it is illegal to join the Communist Party. If you want to join the Party, you must be going to a country where the Communist Party is legal. http://www.cpusa.org/ Hah! Maybe you should have gone once again to Wikipedia before you made that statement. But sheeple can't see the forest for the trees nor the trees or the bark. What was Karl Rove doing in Crimea last month? Keeping cool under the bridge?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
Richard J. Williams wrote: There are lots of communists in Russia and there are lots of communist fellow travelers. Bhairitu wrote: What was Karl Rove doing in Crimea last month? How do you know that Karl Rove was in the Crimea? List of communist parties: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Communist_Parties http://flatpointhigh.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/15/1667665-karl-rove-flees-news-media-sleeps and any number of other news sites but ignored by the MSM.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
Richard J. Williams wrote: feste wrote: The Communist Party in the US is not illegal. The US government outlawed the CPUSA with the Communist Control Act in 1954. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA The Supreme Court of the United States has not ruled on the act's constitutionality, and civil libertarians remain divided on the issues of the constitutionality and wisdom of the act. No administration has tried to enforce it. Again: No administration has tried to enforce it. http://www.answers.com/topic/communist-control-act-of-1954 I kinda thought the Wikipedia entry was a little truncated. I've talked to members of the Communist Party at peace marches and I think you have little to fear from them Willy. BTW, Gus Hall was an occasional guest on the TV show I worked on in the 1970s. Kind of a wacky guy, a little like you in fact. :D :D :D :D :D
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Richard J. Williams wrote: You sound really scared - better check under Bhairitu wrote: I prefer my Russian women in bed but I guess you're into some kind of kinky sex under the bed? So, you're in bed with the communists - I thought so. Thanks for finally letting us know whose side you are on. There are no communists anymore in case you haven't noticed. Both Russia and China are capitalist countries anymore but still authoritarian which is right up your alley. Who is this us you are referring to?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: There are no communists anymore in case you haven't noticed. By the beginning of the 21st century, states controlled by Communist parties under a single-party system include the People's Republic of China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam. Communist parties, or their descendant parties, remain politically important in many countries. Communism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist Funny, I don't see Russia on that list.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
bob_brigante wrote: ** I did not mean to imply that it is not a disaster for the innocent victims of war in Georgia, only that it could not be a major international issue that you fear because nobody gives a shit what happens to Georgians and even if they did, nobody could face down Russian power in that locale, not any more than they could after years of war in Chechnya, which borders Georgia ( http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/Chechnya.asp ). If you want to contemplate once again the ugly face of war, here's some pathetic photos of this current stupid human trick: http://tinyurl.com/5pz4c6 from: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/08/11/world/20080811GEORGIA_2.ht ml Some people in the US think that Russia attacked Georgia for its peaches.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Russian-Georgia Conflict
do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bob_brigante wrote: ** I did not mean to imply that it is not a disaster for the innocent victims of war in Georgia, only that it could not be a major international issue that you fear because nobody gives a shit what happens to Georgians and even if they did, nobody could face down Russian power in that locale, not any more than they could after years of war in Chechnya, which borders Georgia ( http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/Chechnya.asp ). If you want to contemplate once again the ugly face of war, here's some pathetic photos of this current stupid human trick: http://tinyurl.com/5pz4c6 from: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/08/11/world/20080811GEORGIA_2.ht ml Some people in the US think that Russia attacked Georgia for its peaches. Worse, the warmongers have jumped on the band wagon Oh no, good Americans are supposed to be watching the Olympics instead of the war in Georgia. I moved from Seattle long ago and can't see the Olympics from the Bay Area. But I did see Darth Cheney spewing his vile on the news last night. Do these fools think they're going to sucker us into a war with Russia because we're worried about our empty gas tanks?
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Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Do these fools think they're going to sucker us into a war with Russia because we're worried about our empty gas tanks? Maybe the Europeans are worried about their empty gas tanks. Finally a war you can protest, Bhairitu! Cognitive dissonance is horrible, horrible, isn't it? I guess all the leftists are on their summer holiday along with Obama, and can't be bothered to answer this 3am phone call. http://tinyurl.com/6blq6x We will be watching how the NeoCon dogs bark the American sheeple into supporting WW IV. I was wondering who this dude was that was arguing with the Russian U.N. Ambassador on last night's news cast: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalmay_Khalilzad And your guys put him there. The Russian ambassador was on the mark when he criticized the US, a country which has invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for criticizing the Russia-Georgia conflict. You should note that US military has been in Georgia along with Israeli military training Georgian troops. Blackwater is also there. The US wants the pipeline so they can sell Americans overpriced natural gas. Better run to the store and get some peaches while you can, Willy.
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Richard J. Williams wrote: Finally a war you can protest... Bhairitu wrote: We will be watching how the NeoCon dogs bark the American sheeple into supporting WW IV. You're not even making any sense - Obama and most of the Dems agree that Russia should withdraw their troops. And what has that to do with the NeoCon dogs barking the people into America sheeple into WW IV? Are you saying that Obama is a NeoCon, Peaches? The US wants the pipeline so they can sell Americans overpriced natural gas. You are really not making any sense - the U.S. doesn't import any oil from Georgia. Natural gas, Peaches, natural gas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Caucasus_Pipeline Europe imports 4% of its oil from the Georgia pipeline. The U.S. has it's own oil. All we have to do is get libs like you to start drilling for it. Ya didn't read Paul Craig Robert's article, did ya Peaches? In their latest emanation Team Obama has figured out which side we are on and rivals the bellicosity of McCain and Rice in backing Georgia and calling on Russia to withdraw its troops. Read more: 'The 4 AM Moment' Posted by Tom Maguire http://tinyurl.com/6kfhln When are you gong to stop reading news for shudras? You'll never rise above your caste that way, Peaches.
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Richard J. Williams wrote: You're not even making any sense - Obama and most of the Dems agree that Russia should withdraw their troops. Bhairitu wrote: And what has that to do with the NeoCon dogs barking the people into America sheeple into WW IV? You sound really scared - better check under I prefer my Russian women in bed but I guess you're into some kind of kinky sex under the bed? Pray tell, what kind of sex is that, Peaches?
