Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
One of the features of "awakening" is the surprise. All along you are expecting to come to pass what you have been taught, but real awakening is transcendental to this, goes beyond what you knew. This is the transition from Unity to Brahman, when the illusion, as it is called, "that which is not" passes away. The veil hiding and obscuring the experience of what is alleged to be reality lifts. The term "that which is not" — Maya — is truly that, for in passing it never existed and the reality of what had always been experienced from the very beginning is seen to be what was sought. Nothing happened, the reality, such that a man can experience, was out in the open all the time, for all to see. This comes as a pleasant surprise for some, and less so for others, for it reveals that the path, all that one took for spirituality along the way was in fact the illusion in just another guise, that illusion you tried to overcome, by meditation and all the other modalities. In becoming spiritual, you merely adopted another form of the mistake of the intellect, believing it knowledge while it really was just the same as what was abandoned as non spiritual. This does not negate the value of those techniques and learning, but they were merely a thorn to remove a thorn. And meditation continues to be valuable but it serves another purpose now because that desire known as seeking simply disappears. Having found what you are, here and now, there is nowhere to go. Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. And the knowledge in this end point has interesting ramifications, to say the least. Because the spiritual path has ended, the evolution after realization is trackless, there is not a path whatever, but still you must learn because all that came before is now seen as an illusion, as unreal, as not true and now you have what is true, and it is not what you thought. To reveal a truth, you were given a lie (the thorn that removes a thorn), and that lie was whatever you learned on the way. Some people retreat from this, it can be so shocking if unprepared for it, and in the TM movement, there is almost no preparation for this, that the spiritual path was just another form of what you supposed you were escaping from, the unsatisfactory nature of life as an individual in a hostile world. It bolstered you with a belief in a better time to help get you over some of the hurdles. The real hurdle is that life is the same as it always was and now it must be met head on. There is no escape. But the perspective of enlightenment is different, in that knowing there is no escape with an absolute finality, eliminates the possibility of retreat into another fantasy. And now is the time to learn to live life, to embrace the art of living, now there is no excuse to avoid embracing life in all its difficulties. "You are the world" as they say and as such there is nowhere to hide from it, no more hiding behind illusions. The learning that may have been so desperately sought really begins here, and you have to learn all by yourself. The spiritual path was prep work, not the final work. As if TC, CC, GC, UC were elementary school, middle school, high school, and college. But enlightenment is where you start to work on your post doctorate, where you are independent, there are no teachers, you learn by doing and coordinating your realization with world. This is the part that most meditators think meditation is going to accomplish, but the meditation was preparing you for this, making you strong enough for this so the job at hand would not be overwhelming. For some it might still be difficult, for others maybe easy. Even so, you have an imagined choice, if you like, to continue with others in this, or just be alone, because really there are no others. There is no group, there is only consciousness. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN! Evidently in more than ‘awakening’ spiritually, a further cultivation evidently is in what one can do with it. Interestingly, in SRF (Self-Realization Foundation, Yogananda’s teaching) they start with moral development in a study sequence of material and then in the sequence students learn meditation. These are deep meditators. For them meditation is not just secular relief of stress but essential spiritual cultivation in the sequence in developing the human being. Threefold, for instance Ammachi freely urges practitioners on in their cultivation of spiritual progress and incarnational embodiment essentially through: moral character development in a reading and study of elevated writings, cultivating spiritual practices of meditation, and thirdly being of self-less service to others, of help to others, actively. TM in a personality split can have a context background of religious cultural or spiritu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
Quote: Is it for me? Personally I don’t feel comfortable advising anyone to try Transcendental Meditation anymore, especially if you are looking to go deep into meditation. To know more, check out this answer I wrote in Quora https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-impression-of-transcendental-meditation/answer/Giovanni-Dienstmann. If you wish to try something similar, for a fraction of the cost or for free, have a look at NSR (above), or Mantra Meditation. 23 Types of Meditation - Find The Best Techniques For You http://liveanddare.com/types-of-meditation http://liveanddare.com/types-of-meditation 23 Types of Meditation - Find The Best Techniques For Yo... http://liveanddare.com/types-of-meditation Learn several types of meditation, from Buddhism, Vedic, Christian and Chinese traditions. Read on different meditation techniques. Find the best for you. View on liveanddare.com http://liveanddare.com/types-of-meditation Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
A sample of scientific research on mindfulness meditation, which is actually researched more than TM. The proprietary nature of TM teaching seems to restrict the possibilities of more directly comparative studies. The studies on TM are also mentioned. 76 Scientific Benefits of Meditation | Live and Dare | | | | || | | | | | 76 Scientific Benefits of Meditation | Live and Dare Summary of the main scientific research on the benefits of meditation, covering the different types of meditatio... | | | | #yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436 -- #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp #yiv3748131436hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp #yiv3748131436ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp .yiv3748131436ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp .yiv3748131436ad p {margin:0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mkp .yiv3748131436ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-sponsor #yiv3748131436ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-sponsor #yiv3748131436ygrp-lc #yiv3748131436hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-sponsor #yiv3748131436ygrp-lc .yiv3748131436ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436activity span .yiv3748131436underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 dd.yiv3748131436last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3748131436 dd.yiv3748131436last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv3748131436 dd.yiv3748131436last p span.yiv3748131436yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436file-title a, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436file-title a:active, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436file-title a:hover, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436photo-title a, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436photo-title a:active, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436photo-title a:hover, #yiv3748131436 div.yiv3748131436photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv3748131436 div#yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg #yiv3748131436ygrp-msg p a span.yiv3748131436yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv3748131436 o {font-size:0;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv3748131436 .yiv3748131436replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv3748131436 input, #yiv3748131436 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv3748131436 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv3748131436 #yiv3748131436ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv3748131436 #
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
An interesting article comparing mantra-based meditation with mindfulness meditation. Note the final paragraph. Mantra Practice vs. Mindfulness | | | Mantra Practice vs. Mindfulness | | | From: "yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 1:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN! Thxhis phrase "all other types of meditation" only applies to the limited sample of the control group types, not literally "all types". No mention of Mindfulness.. No mention of Oxytocin levels which correlate to the feeling of compassionate awareness that could go farther toward a more complete description of meditative states than the Default mode. The default mode is limited in scope, since it doesn't involve activation of the polyvagal system. That's where compassion comes in. #yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443 -- #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp #yiv1526795443hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp #yiv1526795443ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp .yiv1526795443ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp .yiv1526795443ad p {margin:0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mkp .yiv1526795443ad a {color:#ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-sponsor #yiv1526795443ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-sponsor #yiv1526795443ygrp-lc #yiv1526795443hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-sponsor #yiv1526795443ygrp-lc .yiv1526795443ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443activity span .yiv1526795443underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 dd.yiv1526795443last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1526795443 dd.yiv1526795443last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv1526795443 dd.yiv1526795443last p span.yiv1526795443yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443file-title a, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443file-title a:active, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443file-title a:hover, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443photo-title a, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443photo-title a:active, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443photo-title a:hover, #yiv1526795443 div.yiv1526795443photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv1526795443 div#yiv1526795443ygrp-mlmsg #yiv1526795443ygrp-msg p a span.yiv1526795443yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv1526795443 o {font-size:0;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443photos div div {border:1px solid #66;height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443photos div label {color:#66;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv1526795443 .yiv1526795443replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv1526795443 #yiv1526795443ygrp-mlmsg table {font-
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!
That is rather interesting. It confirms my experience with TM versus other types when I started. More recently however the experience is they are all similar but then my mind has undergone a lot transformations in the last few years or so. The main difference now is the mind is far more silent even in activity so I can just sit and be silent even without meditating. Basically as time goes on the contrasts of experience that a non-meditator or a new meditator experiences become less and less, although I think the time interval for this to occur varies a lot among individuals. My experience with the movement is they are not keen on making comprehensive comparisons with other meditations. >From a scientific point of view, enlightenment is kind of undefined, >consciousness is undefined, so designing an experiment that investigates what >meditation is supposed to accomplish is currently impossible. So the tests are more superficial, such as levels of rest, or mental focus and some chemical changes in the blood. It is clear these other meditations do sometimes have a profound effect and result in enlightenment and that some take to them more easily than TM, but I do not think this is the majority case. I recall a newspaper article long ago where the author mentioned that people practicing TM found more success than with other types they tried. That was the case for me. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 1:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN! ..activity in the "default mode network" (DMN), which is a large-scale brain network involving areas in the front and back of the brain that are active when one's eyes are closed and one is following internal thoughts. perhaps reflecting.. This could indicate.. assertions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : | New Research Validates Hallmark of Transcendental Meditation — EffortlessnessA new study on MUM students by Fred Travis shows EEG patterns of the Transcendental Meditation® technique that distinguish it from other approaches to meditation and that validate the assertion that it's an effortless practice."Transcendental Meditation uses a mantra, and for this reason some researchers maintain that it involves focused attention and controlling the mind," Dr. Travis said. "This study supports the experience of people who practice Transcendental Meditation that it's easy to learn and effortless to practice."There were two key findings that suggest the technique is effortless and natural. First, the students who had been meditating for a month reported the same frequency of experiences of Transcendental Consciousness as those who had been meditating for five years."This supports the understanding that Transcendental Meditation uses the natural tendency of the mind to transcend — to move from active thinking to deep, inner silence," Dr. Travis said. "Extensive practice doesn't make a natural process go any better."The second finding deals with activity in the "default mode network" (DMN), which is a large-scale brain network involving areas in the front and back of the brain that are active when one's eyes are closed and one is following internal thoughts. DMN activity is high when a person just sits with his or her eyes closed, and low when one opens one's eyes and interacts with the world.The study reports that activity in the DMN remained high during Transcendental Meditation practice. In contrast, it decreases in all other types of meditation — since they involve focus and control of the mind. Indeed, the study found that the default mode network was as high during Transcendental Meditation practice as during eyes-closed rest, which is used as the benchmark for default mode network activity.However, Dr. Travis found two important differences between Transcendental Meditation and eyes-closed rest. Eyes-closed rest had more beta brain waves in areas of the brain associated with memory and motor aspects of speech production, perhaps reflecting the mental chatter that goes on when one's eyes are closed, Dr. Travis said.Transcendental Meditation had more theta brain waves in orbitofrontal areas associated with reward anticipation."This could indicate the movement of the mind to more charming levels of thought during transcending," Dr. Travis said. "The meditators' attention was absorbed in the inner march of the mind, attracted by the increasing charm of finer levels of mental functioning." Works cited: The Review, Vol 32, #6 | #yiv6146603940 #yiv6146603940 -- #yiv6146603940ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv6146603940 #yiv6146603940ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv6146603940 #yiv6146603940ygrp-mkp #yiv6146603940hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv6146603940 #yiv6146603940ygrp-mkp #yiv6