Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
And some maybe enlightened. But as it is, Irmely, I am just scepticalabout our sense of individuality and self. And if you read theBhagavad Gita, it is exactly what Krishna says to Arjuna, when herefuses to kill his own relatives. Krishna says: I have already killedthem. Besides that, brain research indicates, that decissions arealready taken in the brain, *before* we become aware of them, and ownthem my our 'individuality' As I see it, modern man is addicted to acult of individuality.I can see what you say. But then there are other ways of seeing it. The Tibetans say that we are a mirror of pure awareness and within that mirror different impulses exist, which are also maya but which have some conventional reality just as all appearances. In that conventional framework there are six lokas which include pretty much all our thoughts. That is to say that our thoughts spring from one or another of six coexisting lokas from the demonic to the angelic, with everything in between. The cool thing about Tibetan Buddhism and Bon are that they seek to satisfy all the six lokas beings in order to pacify them and not excise one or the other loka as bad and unworthy of affection. To that aim, when one does purification practices the negative energies flow to the lower lokas and fill them up with food. The demonic beings are satisfied. The purer or more rare energies rise and satisfy the devic realms and they are satisfied. The human body contains all these impulses, and as such is a temple of everything. To become a channel of one loka or another is imbalanced, especially when a godlike loka co-opts a demonic and uses the demonic as its means. We are humans first, and should act like one. That means living a balanced and respectful existance. One can transcend the authorship of action and perceive the absolute, and yet still be driven through one or more predominant realms of method. This is why training and wisdom are very necessary. It is very hard to remember the transcendental reality when the demonic is possessing one. One can be an awesome practitioner but still get caught up. It happens all the time because there are powerful demons who have had lifetimes to perfect their art. Those demons are our samsaric vrittis which compell us to recreate the conditions for our falling over and over again. We think we have no demons but just for the sake of argument try making a sacrifice to the absolute. And see the possessive tendencies scream. Just try it. And you'll see that the demonic lives on. Give fifty bucks pointlessly to a homeless person without any hope of return, and watch the inner demons drag their clutches through your entire brain and body. We are possessed by the possessive tendencies. In a being like Maharishi he is possessed by some godlike deities or major auras. This is not an intellectual thing. These impulses of creative intelligence (and demons are very creative too) are hard to sort out. One ca sit back and be a mouthpiece for any and all of them, or one can still use human characteristics of discrimination and wisdom. I really can't judge Maharishi. The more I rail at him the more I sometimes just have to wonder what the dilly? I am fortunate in that I actually have no real possessions to call my own never having even had a bank account at age fourty. I own nothing except my extensive collection of religious objects. All the nice things around me are really owned by my wife. True, I am possessive of her, and she is my biggest bond in this life, but it could be alot worse. For this reason, if I may be smug, I actually am fairly free of attachments, and free of material ability and concern. (For the most part) In other words, my possessive demons are fairly pacified. So when I give things away I see the demons screech as their voices are clear. They sound alot like Maharishi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
Individuality is a very curious delusion. When identification of consciousness with mind ceases, there is no longer an individual. Everything goes on as before, but there is no longer a doer or decider who has intent. There's just nobody home. The individual doesn't even become unbounded. You simply cease to exist. -Peter --- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And some maybe enlightened. But as it is, Irmely, I am just sceptical about our sense of individuality and self. And if you read the Bhagavad Gita, it is exactly what Krishna says to Arjuna, when he refuses to kill his own relatives. Krishna says: I have already killed them. Besides that, brain research indicates, that decissions are already taken in the brain, *before* we become aware of them, and own them my our 'individuality' As I see it, modern man is addicted to a cult of individuality. I can see what you say. But then there are other ways of seeing it. The Tibetans say that we are a mirror of pure awareness and within that mirror different impulses exist, which are also maya but which have some conventional reality just as all appearances. In that conventional framework there are six lokas which include pretty much all our thoughts. That is to say that our thoughts spring from one or another of six coexisting lokas from the demonic to the angelic, with everything in between. The cool thing about Tibetan Buddhism and Bon are that they seek to satisfy all the six lokas beings in order to pacify them and not excise one or the other loka as bad and unworthy of affection. To that aim, when one does purification practices the negative energies flow to the lower lokas and fill them up with food. The demonic beings are satisfied. The purer or more rare energies rise and satisfy the devic realms and they are satisfied. The human body contains all these impulses, and as such is a temple of everything. To become a channel of one loka or another is imbalanced, especially when a godlike loka co-opts a demonic and uses the demonic as its means. We are humans first, and should act like one. That means living a balanced and respectful existance. One can transcend the authorship of action and perceive the absolute, and yet still be driven through one or more predominant realms of method. This is why training and wisdom are very necessary. It is very hard to remember the transcendental reality when the demonic is possessing one. One can be an awesome practitioner but still get caught up. It happens all the time because there are powerful demons who have had lifetimes to perfect their art. Those demons are our samsaric vrittis which compell us to recreate the conditions for our falling over and over again. We think we have no demons but just for the sake of argument try making a sacrifice to the absolute. And see the possessive tendencies scream. Just try it. And you'll see that the demonic lives on. Give fifty bucks pointlessly to a homeless person without any hope of return, and watch the inner demons drag their clutches through your entire brain and body. We are possessed by the possessive tendencies. In a being like Maharishi he is possessed by some godlike deities or major auras. This is not an intellectual thing. These impulses of creative intelligence (and demons are very creative too) are hard to sort out. One ca sit back and be a mouthpiece for any and all of them, or one can still use human characteristics of discrimination and wisdom. I really can't judge Maharishi. The more I rail at him the more I sometimes just have to wonder what the dilly? I am fortunate in that I actually have no real possessions to call my own never having even had a bank account at age fourty. I own nothing except my extensive collection of religious objects. All the nice things around me are really owned by my wife. True, I am possessive of her, and she is my biggest bond in this life, but it could be alot worse. For this reason, if I may be smug, I actually am fairly free of attachments, and free of material ability and concern. (For the most part) In other words, my possessive demons are fairly pacified. So when I give things away I see the demons screech as their voices are clear. They sound alot like Maharishi. Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
Individuality is a very curious delusion. Whenidentification of consciousness with mind ceases,there is no longer an individual. Everything goes onas before, but there is no longer a "doer" or"decider" who has intent. There's just nobody home.The individual doesn't even become "unbounded." "You"simply cease to exist.-Peter ---That's your way of looking at it. My way of looking at it is that the absolute deity still holds the strings and manifests in a dazzling display of wisdom. Guru Rinpoche in the Rainbow body if you will imagine. The formless is not nothing. It just doesn't have a specific form. Keep digging Pete. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On May 10, 2005, at 8:02 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Barry and Vaj, how did you find the group? Searching Yahoo Groups? Did the FFL masthead influence your decision to stay around? I was on retreat a couple of years ago and ran into a Shaivite and old TM'er by the stupa one twilight. We talked for days and it was from him that I heard of FFL. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On May 10, 2005, at 6:43 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: To try to move this to more generic ground and away from individuals, that's a fairly common issue in *many* spiritual trips. The dogma (and even more important, the assumptions that underlie the dogma) is transmitted so continuously that after a few years the True Believers come to believe that the canned phrases they are repeating are their own thoughts. They lose touch with the fact that those thoughts were *taught* to them, often for the express purpose of being trotted out whenever certain questions and objections arise. Boy, ain't that the truth. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, then got a new one when that one wore out... Everyone here who is a TM teacher remembers the parts of TTC in which we were taught the canned answers we were to trot out in repsonse to each of these questions. We passed them along as we were taught. The rank-and- file TMers pass them along in their turn. Yep. Add to this an environment in which curiosity about other spiritual paths is actively stifled, and an environment in which paranoia about persecution is cultivated, and the TBs tend to fall upon these canned phrases almost in the same way that a Catholic crosses himself when confronted with a frightening situation or in the same way that a devout Muslim reflexively shouts out a phrase in Arabic to ward off evil. LOL! I like the attitude here a great deal better. There are obviously a *wide* range of points of view repre- sented here, and some equally obvious old grudges, but on the whole there is a spirit of openness that very much reflects the credo on the home page for this group. I for one think that's pretty neat, *especially* because probably the only thing we've all got in common is TM. Yeah it's an interesting mix. The slow dissolution of the TMO also allows an interesting backdrop as we all watch this slow motion train wreck and comment from our different POV's. It's like being a script writer for a bad soap opera: it's funny that some people take it seriously but you just can't help but laugh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
On May 11, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Llundrub wrote: ---Not fair to quote Buddha selfishly out of context. There is no individual doer, not because there is no doer, but due to dependent origination, or the dependency of everything on everything else. There is no independence altogether. You are the node, the net and the connections in-between: sound, light and rays. -Vaj.
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on 5/11/05 3:07 AM, Ingegerd Espås at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: though I got a chock when I read about MMY sex-life. What do you mean you got a chock? Not sure that's the right choice of words. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Actually it is an excellent neologism: a combination of choke and shock. A chock --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/11/05 3:07 AM, Ingegerd Espås at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: though I got a chock when I read about MMY sex-life. What do you mean you got a chock? Not sure that's the right choice of words. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The following responses are based on my own experiences (is that good akasha? ;-): --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Individuality is a very curious delusion. When identification of consciousness with mind ceases, there is no longer an individual. Everything goes on as before, but there is no longer a doer or decider who has intent. There's just nobody home. The individual doesn't even become unbounded. You simply cease to exist. -Peter I think this is a too general simplification. The term individual has many aspects to it. I would say that when the identification of consciousness with mind ceases, there is not anymore an ego as a contraction of awareness, who wants to be somebody and wants to be seen as somebody. Agree. There is nobody to want or not want anything. When that entity ceases to exist, you have no need to be seen as enlightened, something special, superior to others. Agree. There is no individual to want or not want anything. There is no individual to enter into any superior or inferior relationship with anybody. Rather you see the same life force in others as in you. Still there is a clear sense of individuality left. No. There is no individuality in Self Realization. An I, who observes, makes interpretations, creates plans, acts, and reacts, and often quite differently than the others. Observation occurs, interpretation occurs, creating plans occurs, action occurs and reaction occurs, but there simply is no one doing it. And intents there are still on the gross level. But one realizes that you cannot have intents or control the impulses on the subtlest level. There is no individuality on any level, gross or subtle. Individuality is a delusion. This has always been the case, you just become aware of it. True. You realize that you never existed at all! And possibly you learn to constructively co-operate with those impulses. If you resist those impulses or you cannot consciously contain them ( this is quite often the case), they can get acted out in odd or disastrous ways. Again, you are assuming an individuality that does or does not do these things. In Self-Realization it becomes quite clear that there is no individual doing or not doing anything. It can not be understood from waking state. This is not arrogance or an attempt to malign someone in waking state, but you can not extrapolate experience from waking state to understand CC. It's impossible. All waking state models fall completely apart. -Peter In this light, and with this kind of experience, I have very difficult to understand the TM-siddhi techniques at all. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Peter you're an asshole. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Thanks. I'll integrate those suggestions. on 5/11/05 11:23 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/10/05 7:34 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not enough key words for indexing. Key words for search engines in general, or rather for search within Yahoo groups? Here some small corrections/suggestions: Ramana Maharshi (without first i) Dalai Lama (not Dali) write Ayurveda both ways: Ayur-veda and Ayurveda Ammachi and Amma Vastu (Sthapatya-Veda) Include Nonduality with Advaita Write Yagya and Yajna (more common spelling) Karunamayi (I think her schedules are advertised here) Advaita (Traditional and Neo-) Maybe too many keywords, but who cares. It gives people a sense of freedom to discuss many things. = Discussions draw from insights from a diversity of spiritual teachers: Maharishi, Ammachi, Eckhart Tolle, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Christ, Buddha, Adyashanti, Ramana Maharishi, Nisargadatta, Gangaji, Ken Wilber, Saniel Bonder, Byron Katie, Ramakrishna, Dali Lama, Krishna, Yogananda, Rumi, Shankara, Patanjali, etc. Pretty much any topic is fair game. Discussions have covered spirituality, politics, economics, morality (or lack of it) and higher states of consciousness (often with reference to particular gurus and teachers), philosophy of science, education, child-rearing, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, euthanasia, conspiracy theories, enlightenment, self-realization, advaita, reincarnation, saints, karma, jyotish, astrology, yagya, ayur-veda, mercury toxicity, Bhagavad-Gita, dzogchen, Kaishan Qi Gong, tai chi, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, Sthapatya-Veda, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Native American spirituality, Christianity, Islam, Sufism, Judaism, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-472-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Oh hey Pete, I was just kidding. It's the old story of the yogi who goes to the cave to learn patience, and one day a master shows up and says, hey asshole, get out of my cave. The yogi blows up. The master says, Now you're Master Bates. (Or was that Batman?) Yeah, you didn't respond yet. You who? - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory Thanks. I'll integrate those suggestions.on 5/11/05 11:23 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: on 5/10/05 7:34 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not enough key words for indexing. Key words for search engines in general, or rather for search within Yahoo groups? Here some small corrections/suggestions: Ramana Maharshi (without first i) Dalai Lama (not Dali) write Ayurveda both ways: Ayur-veda and Ayurveda Ammachi and Amma Vastu (Sthapatya-Veda) Include Nonduality with Advaita Write Yagya and Yajna (more common spelling) Karunamayi (I think her schedules are advertised here) Advaita (Traditional and Neo-) Maybe too many keywords, but who cares. It gives people a sense of freedom to discuss many things. = Discussions draw from insights from a diversity of spiritual teachers: Maharishi, Ammachi, Eckhart Tolle, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Christ, Buddha, Adyashanti, Ramana Maharishi, Nisargadatta, Gangaji, Ken Wilber, Saniel Bonder, Byron Katie, Ramakrishna, Dali Lama, Krishna, Yogananda, Rumi, Shankara, Patanjali, etc. Pretty much any topic is fair game. Discussions have covered spirituality, politics, economics, morality (or lack of it) and higher states of consciousness (often with reference to particular gurus and teachers), philosophy of science, education, child-rearing, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, euthanasia, conspiracy theories, enlightenment, self-realization, advaita, reincarnation, saints, karma, jyotish, astrology, yagya, ayur-veda, mercury toxicity, Bhagavad-Gita, dzogchen, Kaishan Qi Gong, tai chi, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, Sthapatya-Veda, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Native American spirituality, Christianity, Islam, Sufism, Judaism, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links --Rick ArcherSearchSummit1108 South B StreetFairfield, IA 52556Phone: 641-472-9336Fax: 815-472-5842http://searchsummit.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not enough key words for indexing. Key words for search engines in general, or rather for search within Yahoo groups? Here some small corrections/suggestions: Ramana Maharshi (without first i) Dalai Lama (not Dali) The Dali Lama was pretty cool, though. I loved the painting of his face dripping over the tree branch. Unc Aaaa.. Oh never mind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I resemble that compliment. --- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter you're an asshole. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 5/11/05 5:48 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Delete away, it's too damned long. IMO, the primary purpose of the intro is to seed the yahoo groups search engine so that people looking for this kind of discussion will be able to find it. Once someone has subscribed, what difference does it make how long or short the intro is? I agree with the suggestion to correct misspellings and add alternative spellings. Also, Jed McKenna might be an appropriate name to add to the list. Good suggestion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Judy Stein will kick your ass if you deserve it! She doesn't suffer fools! --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub, I happen to know her as a good friend who favors the TM practice, is that is were your hostility comes from? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub, This is not nice or true. Why do you say such? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, this was Judy Stein the junkyard dog? Bahahahwahhahahaha - Original Message - From: t3rinity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yet another theory In message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J.Stein wrote: ...or Rajas spending most of their waking hours doing program, or Purusha and Mother Divine. (What's happening with them, I wonder? I haven't seen them mentioned in any of the new pronouncements.) Exactly! And why not? Why don't we hear of P or MD these days and for that matter of another P group in India, which is rounding there since almost a decade in total seclusion in the Himalayas? Well, here is my theory, based on stray sayings I had heard of M over the years I was there. This is not necessarily what I believe, it's rather what I believe that M thinks.It's just one more theory, food for thought, as other theories that where here expressed. But if this theory IS true, then you should better forget it after you have read it, because knowing about it is counterproductive. This is Kurukshetra (in the eyes of M), a fight between the Divine powers and the adversary powers, the devas and asuras. I know it's a dualistic vision, but on the level of Advaita, everyone is already enlightened, and everything is just fine as it is. But for most people, they live in duality, therefore the laws of duality apply to them. M is a kshatrya. If you are in a fight, would you tell your opponent, what would be your next strike? No. Think of D-day, let's say there are two routes A and B. If you plan to take route B, you would want to make the enemy believe you take route A, and consequently you set up everything 'as if' you take route A. Right? Quote Maharishi: An elephant has two kinds of teeth, two to show, and two to chew. How does this apply here? Well, this new plan, setting up all the peace palaces, the Rajas, the crowns, the re-certification courses, the malls, 3000 Rajas in America is plan A, just a big mock up, for the enemy to see and to jump on. Plan B is elsewhere, you guess where: in India. Most things going on in India, we don't even hear about it, the groups, the schools they set up, they all make it without a big fuss. Like the one group in the Himalaya, you don't ever hear about it. But don't forget, it's a multi-layered set-up. The new course, the re-certifaction, and Raja millionary courses will produce a lot of money, which all goes to? India. Once, at the place I was staying at that time, M said it was good that the Asuras hadn't found out yet about that place. It is quite a common strategy in India, to keep essential things, like important plans secret, because it is assumed, that subtle negative forces might destroy the enterprise otherwise. So, to assume that a sage tries to deceive these forces is not far-fetched. It is said (by Hindus) about the Buddha, that it was the purpose of his incarnation to deceive the demons. Remember the emphazis M has placed in the beginning of this year on India:Maharishi said. There are now large numbers of Vedic Pandits in India quietly performing Vedic Yagyas and Grahashanti, which they learned from their parents. These Vedic performances will bring the transcendental field of Total Natural Law into the field of behaviour. http://www.globalcountry.org.uk/news.php?f=uk20050323p_pr.htm and: I am coming to the conclusion that it is not the speech, but action that will do it. We are going to gather some nice people, some nice young men, in almost every country, and focus on Indian Vedic Pandit families. We will have a few groups of ten, twenty thousand people in some one country, and then produce the effect, rather than trying to waste our life through speeches. At the same time, the recert.course will separate the wheat from the === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
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Oh sorry. My bad. It was well written if totally specious and whacked. It assumes that asuras are out to get any semblance of light. Ii mean, well, maybe true, but asuras are people too and deserve some love. My real issue with this sort of thinking is that it makes a subhuman group of people woorthy of hatred, with no evidence to the contrary but he says she says. This medieval thinking is really fucked up. there are evil people sure, but can another ever know who they are? I think not. Except through their actions. If ok with Vaj I want to quote something by Elias Capriles. (from Self Liberation, Loopy Loops etc...) Moralist teachings and relative practices A Relative teachings and moralist practices may help beings of certain capacities to lead a less conflictive existence. However, an exaggerated emphasis on them may lead us to believe that rules and precepts are absolute and that their observance is ultimately important, thus increasing the delusory valuation that is the cause of duhkha[i] and making us more intolerant toward others. Whatever causes us to rise to heaven later on will be the cause of our falling into hell. As stated by Yung-chia Hsüan-chüeh:[ii] Giving (dana) practiced with an aim may result in the grace of being reborn in heaven. This, however, is like shooting an arrow upwards: when the strength propelling the arrow is exhausted it will return to the ground and this will be a source of adverse karma for times to come. By taking the way of heaven we fall deep into hell. In a succession or toothaches and ice-creams which does the child want to have first? It is better to step down from the wheel that carries us up to heaven and then takes us down to hell. Yet the worst with moralism is that it may be used by demonic pseudomasters as a pretext for murdering truly Enlightened Masters. In the name of purity, the greatest possible fault is committed. [i]. Duhkha: dissatisfaction, lack of plenitude, missing the point, recurrent suffering. This is how the Hinayana Schools characterize samsara. [ii]. See Yoka Daishi (Yung-chia Hsüan-chüeh)/Taisen Deshimaru (1981). --It's best not to judge others at all, and it's certainly even better to stay away from masters who polarize one against others. Maybe noone has been killed outright for Maharishi's dualistic thinking yet, but what about when he leaves us? Best that no footprints at all were there to show a direction toward this conflictive mentality of us versus them. Let the law figure out who are the asuras, or judge for yourself but trust noone too make the judgement for you. In Louisiana yesterday a stray dog saved a baby's life. the baby was left in a field in Kenner, LA, and the dog dragged the baby to stay with her pups and nursed it for three nights. An asura also may be your mother. If a dog can nurture a baby. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory Llundrub,This is not nice or true. Why do you say such?--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Oh, this was Judy Stein the junkyard dog? Bahahahwahhahahaha - Original Message - From: t3rinity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yet another theory In message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J.Stein wrote: "...or Rajas spending most of their waking hours doing program, or Purusha and Mother Divine. (What's happening with them, I wonder? I haven't seen them mentioned in any of the new pronouncements.)" Exactly! And why not? Why don't we hear of P or MD these days and for that matter of another P group in India, which is rounding there since almost a decade in total seclusion in the Himalayas? Well, here is my theory, based on stray sayings I had heard of M over the years I was there. This is not necessarily what I believe, it's rather what I believe that M thinks.It's just one more theory, food for thought, as other theories that where here expressed. But if this theory IS true, then you should better forget it after you have read it, because knowing about it is counterproductive. This is Kurukshetra (in the eyes of M), a fight between the Divine powers and the adversary powers, the devas and asuras. I know it's a dualistic vision, but on the level of Advaita, everyone is already enlightened, and everything is just fine as it is. But for most people, they live in duality, therefore the laws of duality apply to them. M is a kshatrya. If you are in a fight, would you tell your opponent, what would be your next strike? No. Think of D-day, let's say there are two routes A and B. If you plan to take route B, you would want to
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My hostility come from years of reading her insanely cold TM moralizations. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory Llundrub,I happen to know her as a good friend who favors the TM practice,is that is were your hostility comes from?--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Llundrub, This is not nice or true. Why do you say such? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Oh, this was Judy Stein the junkyard dog? Bahahahwahhahahaha - Original Message - From: t3rinity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yet another theory In message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J.Stein wrote:"...or Rajas spending most of their waking hours doing program, or Purusha and Mother Divine. (What's happening with them, I wonder? I haven't seen them mentioned in any of the new pronouncements.)" Exactly! And why not? Why don't we hear of P or MD these days and for that matter of another P group in India, which is rounding there since almost a decade in total seclusion in the Himalayas? Well, here is my theory, based on stray sayings I had heard of M over the years I was there. This is not necessarily what I believe, it's rather what I believe that M thinks.It's just one more theory, food for thought, as other theories that where here expressed. But if this theory IS true, then you should better forget it after you have read it, because knowing about it is counterproductive. This is Kurukshetra (in the eyes of M), a fight between the Divine powers and the adversary powers, the devas and asuras. I know it's a dualistic vision, but on the level of Advaita, everyone is already enlightened, and everything is just fine as it is. But for most people, they live in duality, therefore the laws of duality apply to them. M is a kshatrya. If you are in a fight, would you tell your opponent, what would be your next strike? No. Think of D-day, let's say there are two routes A and B. If you plan to take route B, you would want to make the enemy believe you take route A, and consequently you set up everything 'as if' you take route A. Right? Quote Maharishi: An elephant has two kinds of teeth, two to show, and two to chew. How does this apply here? Well, this new plan, setting up all the peace palaces, the Rajas, the crowns, the re-certification courses, the malls, 3000 Rajas in America is plan A, just a big mock up, for the enemy to see and to jump on. Plan B is elsewhere, you guess where: in India. Most things going on in India, we don't even hear about it, the groups, the schools they set up, they all make it without a big fuss. Like the one group in the Himalaya, you don't ever hear about it. But don't forget, it's a multi-layered set-up. The new course, the re-certifaction, and Raja millionary courses will produce a lot of money, which all goes to? India. Once, at the place I was staying at that time, M said it was good that the Asuras hadn't found out yet about that place. It is quite a common strategy in India, to keep essential things, like important plans secret, because it is assumed, that subtle negative forces might destroy the enterprise otherwise. So, to assume that a sage tries to deceive these forces is not far-fetched. It is said (by Hindus) about the Buddha, that it was the purpose of his incarnation to deceive the demons. Remember the emphazis M has placed in the beginning of this year on India:Maharishi said. "There are now large numbers of Vedic Pandits in India quietly performing Vedic Yagyas and Grahashanti, which they learned from their parents. These Vedic performances will bring the transcendental field of Total Natural Law into the field of behaviour." http://www.globalcountry.org.uk/news.php?f=uk20050323p_pr.htm and: "I am coming to the conclusion that it is not the speech, but action that will do it. We are going to gather some nice people, some nice young men, in almost every country, and focus on Indian Vedic Pandit families. We will have a few groups of ten, twenty thousand people in some one country, and then produce the effect, rather than trying to waste our life through speeches."At the same time, the recert.course will separate the wheat from the chaff. People can see where they stand, if they really want to go all the way with M, or if they do whatever suits them more. The crowns and the money is catering for the egoic
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My bad again, I just grabbed the name from one of her fans re: http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory calling people bad names, as you did,is far away from opposing her opinion.if your objection to someone else's view makesyou that hostile tells more about yourself then about your objective.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: My hostility come from years of reading her insanely cold TM moralizations. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory Llundrub, I happen to know her as a good friend who favors the TM practice, is that is were your hostility comes from? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub, This is not nice or true. Why do you say such? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, this was Judy Stein the junkyard dog? Bahahahwahhahahaha - Original Message -From: t3rinityTo: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yet another theory In message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J.Stein wrote: "...or Rajas spending most of their waking hours doing program, or Purusha and Mother Divine. (What's happening with them, I wonder? I haven't seen them mentioned in any of the new pronouncements.)" Exactly! And why not? Why don't we hear of P or MD these days and for that matter of another P group in India, which is rounding there since almost a decade in total seclusion in the Himalayas? Well, here is my theory, based on stray sayings I had heard of M over the years I was there. This is not necessarily what I believe, it's rather what I believe that M thinks.It's just one more theory, food for thought, as other theories that where here expressed. But if this theory IS true, then you should better forget it after you have read it, because knowing about it is counterproductive. This is Kurukshetra (in the eyes of M), a fight between the Divine powers and the adversary powers, the devas and asuras. I know it's a dualistic vision, but on the level of Advaita, everyone is already enlightened, and everything is just fine as it is. But for most people, they live in duality, therefore the laws of duality apply to them. M is a kshatrya. If you are in a fight, would you tell your opponent, what would be your next strike? No. Think of D-day, let's say there are two routes A and B. If you plan to take route B, you would want to make the enemy believe you take route A, and consequently you set up everything 'as if' you take route A. Right? Quote Maharishi: An elephant has two kinds of teeth, two to show, and two to chew. How does this apply here? Well, this new plan, setting up all the peace palaces, the Rajas, the crowns, the re-certification courses, the malls, 3000 Rajas in America is plan A, just a big mock up, for the enemy to see and to jump on. Plan B is elsewhere, you guess where: in India. Most things going on in India, we don't even hear about it, the groups, the schools they set up, they all make it without a big fuss. Like the one group in the Himalaya, you don't ever hear about it. But don't forget, it's a multi-layered set-up. The new course, the re-certifaction, and Raja millionary courses will produce a lot of money, which all goes to? India. Once, at the place I was staying at that time, M said it was good that the Asuras hadn't found out yet about that place. It is quite a common strategy in India, to keep essential things, like important plans secret, because it is assumed, that subtle negative forces might destroy the enterprise otherwise. So, to assume that a sage tries to deceive these forces is not far-fetched. It is said (by Hindus) about the Buddha, that it was the purpose of his incarnation to deceive the demons. Remember the emphazis M has placed in the beginning of this year on India:Maharishi said. "There are now large numbers of Vedic Pandits in India quietly performing Vedic Yagyas and Grahashanti, which they learned from their parents. These Vedic performances will bring the transcendental field of Total Natural Law
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on 5/10/05 2:37 PM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi t3rinity , Could you post the link to that googlegroups, I believe I know the author to be a good friend. TY. This is the google link http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.meditation .transcendental/msg/274a469bca3735d4 Oops, broken link, try this http://tinyurl.com/965f5 How much traffic does this group get, as compared with FFL (we average about 100 posts a day)? Is FFL sometimes mentioned at alt.meditation.transcendental, as they are sometimes mentioned here? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Man, I love that girl! She has spunk! I want to have tantric sex with her. -Peter --- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My bad again, I just grabbed the name from one of her fans re: http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory calling people bad names, as you did, is far away from opposing her opinion. if your objection to someone else's view makes you that hostile tells more about yourself then about your objective. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My hostility come from years of reading her insanely cold TM moralizations. - Original Message - From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory Llundrub, I happen to know her as a good friend who favors the TM practice, is that is were your hostility comes from? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub, This is not nice or true. Why do you say such? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, this was Judy Stein the junkyard dog? Bahahahwahhahahaha - Original Message - From: t3rinity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yet another theory In message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J.Stein wrote: ...or Rajas spending most of their waking hours doing program, or Purusha and Mother Divine. (What's happening with them, I wonder? I haven't seen them mentioned in any of the new pronouncements.) Exactly! And why not? Why don't we hear of P or MD these days and for that matter of another P group in India, which is rounding there since almost a decade in total seclusion in the Himalayas? Well, here is my theory, based on stray sayings I had heard of M over the years I was there. This is not necessarily what I believe, it's rather what I believe that M thinks.It's just one more theory, food for thought, as other theories that where here expressed. But if this theory IS true, then you should better forget it after you have read it, because knowing about it is counterproductive. This is Kurukshetra (in the eyes of M), a fight between the Divine powers and the adversary powers, the devas and asuras. I know it's a dualistic vision, but on the level of Advaita, everyone is already enlightened, and everything is just fine as it is. But for most people, they live in duality, therefore the laws of duality apply to them. M is a kshatrya. If you are in a fight, would you tell your opponent, what would be your next strike? No. Think of D- day, let's say there are two routes A and B. If you plan to take route B, you would want to make the enemy believe you take route A, and consequently you set up everything 'as if' you take route A. Right? Quote Maharishi: An elephant has two kinds of teeth, two to show, and two to chew. How does this apply here? Well, this new plan, setting up all the peace palaces, the Rajas, the crowns, the re-certification courses, the malls, 3000 Rajas in America is plan A, just a big mock up, for the enemy to see and to jump on. Plan B is elsewhere, you guess where: in India. Most things going on in India, we don't even hear about it, the groups, the schools they set up, they all make it without a big fuss. Like the one group in the Himalaya, you don't ever hear about it. But don't forget, it's a multi-layered set-up. The new course, the re-certifaction, and Raja millionary courses will produce a lot of money, which all goes to? India. Once, at the place I was staying at that time, M said it was good that the Asuras hadn't found out yet about that place. It is quite a common strategy in India, to keep essential
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on 5/10/05 3:38 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're speaking of Judy, you're a brave man, and far more Tantric than I. She's 63, and as I hear it, her last sexual partner committed suicide by taking its own batteries out and hurling itself off the nightstand. :-) LOL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On May 10, 2005, at 1:38 PM, Llundrub wrote: Maybe noone has been killed outright for Maharishi's dualistic thinking yet, but what about when he leaves us? Not outright but what about otherwise? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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If you can show me a kind word that she ever spoke, I might conceed that she has a heart somewhere. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen[EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Man, I love that girl! She has spunk! I want to have tantric sex with her.Alt.meditation.transcendental was one of my online hangouts fromDecember 1993 to November 2003, and I can testify to the intellectualpowerhouse that is Judy Stein. Indeed, she does NOT suffer foolsgladly. My bad again, I just grabbed the name from one of her fans re: http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/Skolnick's a putz who's threatened by powerful women. Judy wouldn'tput up with his bullshit and repeatedly kicked him in the egonads.AlexTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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anger sweet what? - Original Message - From: cardemaister To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: My hostility come from years of reading her insanely cold TM moralizations. Well, "svalpaM sukhaM krodhaH"?? :)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, I love that girl! She has spunk! I want to have tantric sex with her. Alt.meditation.transcendental was one of my online hangouts from December 1993 to November 2003, and I can testify to the intellectual powerhouse that is Judy Stein. Indeed, she does NOT suffer fools gladly. My bad again, I just grabbed the name from one of her fans re: http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ Skolnick's a putz who's threatened by powerful women. Judy wouldn't put up with his bullshit and repeatedly kicked him in the egonads. Alex I love powerful women and always enjoyed her posts on AMT as she eviscerated the castrated boys who whined for her to be kind. A regular Kali. Strings their baby balls around her neck. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, I love that girl! She has spunk! I want to have tantric sex with her. If you're speaking of Judy, you're a brave man, and far more Tantric than I. She's 63, and as I hear it, her last sexual partner committed suicide by taking its own batteries out and hurling itself off the nightstand. :-) Unc Oh Unc! Laughing my ass off on that one! The age makes it even better. I've always had a fondness for left-handed tantra. You can be my Kali and I'll be your Shiva in the cremation ground of life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
on 5/10/05 5:43 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a spirit of openness that very much reflects the credo on the home page for this group. Speaking of this, if anyone thinks of ways to improve it, let me know. I tweak it from time to time. I'm limited to 2,000 characters, and am maxed out, so to add something I have to delete something. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory - Judith
I've had several exchanges with Judith in other places and have found her very intelligent, knowledgeable about TM and Maharishi, and very fair and polite, even when we dealt with fundfamental disagreements. Moreover I don't think that what is going on behind her back here is fair at all.. So forward it to her and let her know the myth lives on. C'mon man, she is brilliant, and yet, she uses her brilliance for one purpose, to rip others to shreds. That's all. She's kind of evil like that. So she seems nice in person. So do I. Give her a vampire and a stake and let her rip. She's the original Churchlady. Put her on the sidelines in Iraq and give her a pompom. She would probably dodge rifle fire and rip someones heart out with her bare teeth. I'll try to come to grips with her. She was the one person who I found to be truely more sickening than Willytex. And that says alot. I would rather dine with Lucifer himself, even if it was my own body we dined on in the seventh sinful circle than read another thing out of her mind. Call me crazy and biased but I retire scratched Lps too. I can't lis lis lis lis lis lis lis lis ten to them any more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
Speaking of this, if anyone thinks of ways to improve it, let me know. Itweak it from time to time. I'm limited to 2,000 characters, and am maxedout, so to add something I have to delete something.Well, not many here have even posted anything from I Ching or Bertrand Russell. Surely there's more relevant and contemporary quotes than that? Also, there's alot of space between quotes. I think spaces themselves are considered characters, so if you just make a huge block of text it can maybe cram more in. And lastly, the text on the home page is mainly to pull in search results but most don't read it more than once so maybe think about that. This is one of the best and most active Yahoo Groups ever http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shakti_Sadhana/Maybe check them out for ideas.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love powerful women and always enjoyed her posts on AMT as she eviscerated the castrated boys who whined for her to be kind. A regular Kali. Strings their baby balls around her neck. Do you like woman who whip you and walk on your back with high stilleto heels? (And tell you how bad you have been and need to be punished?) :) No, no! I wondered if it was going to have that connotation. I like to experience that powerful shakti. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
"A collection of lost souls with the singular common experience of ablazing good time in the 70's filled with spiritual quests,globe-trotting revolutionary spirit, youthful bravado and fascinatingyet entrenched social networks spreading around the world -- all ofwhich are still deeply imprinted on the minds and hearts of mostparticipants. This, comingled with their horror at seeing theirbeloved movement to transform themselves and the world sinking intocult status and behavior over the subsequent 30 years -- this is thecore of FFL." :) Not enough key words for indexing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
Ah! She is CC. Very, very dry and flat. No movement or flow. --- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dhumavati is the absence of Shakti. She is the mahavakya that is fully uncovered mind without any flow. She is dry and sharp. Not too much fun. No bliss. No life. No joy, but yes, a great knowledge. She is naked awareness. If you want Shakti then it's Mahalakshmi - Kamala that you want. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love powerful women and always enjoyed her posts on AMT as she eviscerated the castrated boys who whined for her to be kind. A regular Kali. Strings their baby balls around her neck. Do you like woman who whip you and walk on your back with high stilleto heels? (And tell you how bad you have been and need to be punished?) :) No, no! I wondered if it was going to have that connotation. I like to experience that powerful shakti. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
It doesn't describe me very well. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: "A collection of lost souls with the singular common experience of a blazing good time in the 70's filled with spiritual quests, globe-trotting revolutionary spirit, youthful bravado and fascinating yet entrenched social networks spreading around the world -- all of which are still deeply imprinted on the minds and hearts of most participants. This, comingled with their horror at seeing their beloved movement to transform themselves and the world sinking into cult status and behavior over the subsequent 30 years -- this is the core of FFL." :) Not enough key words for indexing.I know, it was really tongue in check -- trying to say what the listis really about, rather than a lot of tag-words that are often notdiscussed.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
I used to read AMT. --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter why would refer such to someone you don't know or was it your self referral? :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy Stein will kick your ass if you deserve it! She doesn't suffer fools! --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub, I happen to know her as a good friend who favors the TM practice, is that is were your hostility comes from? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub, This is not nice or true. Why do you say such? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, this was Judy Stein the junkyard dog? Bahahahwahhahahaha - Original Message - From: t3rinity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Yet another theory In message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J.Stein wrote: ...or Rajas spending most of their waking hours doing program, or Purusha and Mother Divine. (What's happening with them, I wonder? I haven't seen them mentioned in any of the new pronouncements.) Exactly! And why not? Why don't we hear of P or MD these days and for that matter of another P group in India, which is rounding there since almost a decade in total seclusion in the Himalayas? Well, here is my theory, based on stray sayings I had heard of M over the years I was there. This is not necessarily what I believe, it's rather what I believe that M thinks.It's just one more theory, food for thought, as other theories that where here expressed. But if this theory IS true, then you should better forget it after you have read it, because knowing about it is counterproductive. This is Kurukshetra (in the eyes of M), a fight between the Divine powers and the adversary powers, the devas and asuras. I know it's a dualistic vision, but on the level of Advaita, everyone is already enlightened, and everything is just fine as it is. But for most people, they live in duality, therefore the laws of duality apply to them. M is a kshatrya. If you are in a fight, would you tell your opponent, what would be your next strike? No. Think of D-day, let's say there are two routes A and B. If you plan to take route B, you would want to make the enemy believe you take route A, and consequently you set up everything 'as if' you take route A. Right? Quote Maharishi: An elephant has two kinds of teeth, two to show, and two to chew. How does this apply here? Well, this new plan, setting up all the peace palaces, the Rajas, the crowns, the re-certification courses, the malls, 3000 Rajas in America is plan A, just a big mock up, for the enemy to see and to jump on. Plan B is elsewhere, you guess where: in India. Most things going on in India, we don't even hear about it, the groups, the schools they set up, they all make it without a big fuss. Like the one group in the Himalaya, you don't ever hear about it. But don't forget, it's a multi-layered set-up. The new course, the re-certifaction, and Raja millionary courses will produce a lot of money, which all goes to? India. Once, at the place I was staying at that time, M said it was good that the Asuras hadn't found out yet about that place. It is quite a common strategy in India, to keep essential things, like important plans secret, because it is assumed, that subtle negative forces might destroy the enterprise otherwise. So, to assume that a sage tries to deceive these forces is not far-fetched. It is said (by Hindus) about the Buddha, that it was the purpose of his incarnation to deceive the demons. === message truncated === Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
No matter. I'm just playing as you're just playing. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory k, what does?btw, I thought the point of your link to that other site was thatwords were not important -- that cite has mostly pictures in itsmasthead. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: It doesn't describe me very well. - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: "A collection of lost souls with the singular common experience of a blazing good time in the 70's filled with spiritual quests, globe-trotting revolutionary spirit, youthful bravado andfascinating yet entrenched social networks spreading around the world -- all of which are still deeply imprinted on the minds and hearts of most participants. This, comingled with their horror at seeing their beloved movement to transform themselves and the world sinking into cult status and behavior over the subsequent 30 years -- this is the core of FFL." :) Not enough key words for indexing. I know, it was really tongue in check -- trying to say what the list is really about, rather than a lot of tag-words that are often not discussed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms ofService.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yet another theory
on 5/10/05 7:34 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A collection of lost souls with the singular common experience of a blazing good time in the 70's filled with spiritual quests, globe-trotting revolutionary spirit, youthful bravado and fascinating yet entrenched social networks spreading around the world -- all of which are still deeply imprinted on the minds and hearts of most participants. This, comingled with their horror at seeing their beloved movement to transform themselves and the world sinking into cult status and behavior over the subsequent 30 years -- this is the core of FFL. :) Not enough key words for indexing. I know, it was really tongue in check -- trying to say what the list is really about, rather than a lot of tag-words that are often not discussed. Gee. I was tempted to use it. Actually, you were the guy who wrote the original version of the description we are using, or greatly improved my version. Thanks for that and for your help and friendship. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
