Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha any TMI to Steve

[Share Long]

Steve, I LOVE this kind of fun TMI.  Which at first I wondered what it was.  
Transcendental Meditation Invasion?  Insurgence?  Anyway, in this case, which 
is of course unfathomable like all other cases, I'd have to say that the cat 
had the best support of Nature (-:




 From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
 

  
My brother in law was scheduled to come in from California for a visit and to 
also take care of the cats (well, now just one cat).  If you can believe it, 
his flight was cancelled outright because of weather conditions.  We had to get 
my sister in law to take care of the duties.
I guess if you wanted to parse support of nature issues:  First we thought 
the brother in law was relieved that he wasn't coming in, since he so enjoyed 
taking care of Buttons, and now there wasn't the need.  Then it turns out he 
was quite depressed, because he wanted to spend the holidays with us. (of 
course we needed to take care of the other cat, and we would have, but for him 
Buttons was a major draw)
Then, my sister in law who is always wanting to do more with the family was 
upset that we hadn't asked her to take care of the chores, except that there 
are many issues along those lines.  She's a little bit zany. (and has a knack 
of coming up with after the fact conditions)
But now, she was able to feel that she played an important role in allowing us 
to enjoy our vacation.
Is this TMI? (-:
 
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  There is something way oversimplified in your definition of 'support of 
  nature' for me Share. First of all, to believe there is such a thing we 
  have to imagine ourselves somehow in the center of things, we have to be a 
  bit egocentric. For example, for you to believe that somehow this large 
  weather system 'waited' for you to leave FF is putting a whole lot of 
  importance on who you are and what you do. You also have to assume that by 
  not getting caught in the storm this was somehow a good thing. In addition, 
  you would have to believe that 'nature' is operating primarily with you in 
  mind (the egocentric part of the equation) but what about all the other 
  individuals on the planet that this event (of the storm) impacted 
  negatively? Did they somehow not garner the same support that you did and 
  why? What did you do to earn this support of nature? Meditate? Fly? Wear 
  the right clothing? Eat the appropriate foods? Have you considered that if 
  you had been
 waylaid in your exiting FF by the snow something really astoundingly wonderful 
and life transformative could have happened instead and that, in fact, you 
escaping FF before the storm hit was actually a bad thing because of what you 
missed if you had been marooned there? In other words, you interpreted your 
having got out of FF before the storm hit as support of nature when in fact 
maybe it was one of the most unfortunate things that ever happened to you. 
Maybe if you had been trapped by the weather, never got home for Christmas, you 
would be enlightened by now, or met the man of your dreams or discovered the 
alchemical formula to make gold.
  
 
 Whatever the vicissitudes of life's circumstances, cause and effect in the 
 field of karma is unfathomable or maybe Share had a lucky coin that dropped 
 in the right slot at the right time. No need to place woo woo on a mundane 
 event in one's life. Just be glad you're not an unlucky traveler stuck in the 
 snow. IMO a working definition of Support of Nature is good luck. In Jyotish 
 parlance, it's a well aspected 9th house. Robin might call it grace. Ann, 
 those lucky days where everything seems to go flawlessly, without a hitch, 
 where one feels, in sync, in harmony with all that is, where one's efforts 
 are effortless, or the laws of nature rush to support you, as Maharishi 
 would say, what would you call such days? 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
  
   Not THAT any!  Had any support of Nature lately?  Emily asked about 
   support of Nature and I was thinking about it and feeling befuddled.  
   Realized that I tend to agree with Ken Keyes idea that everything in life 
   is either for our growth or for our enjoyment.  I'd add that ideally 
   everything is for both growth and enjoyment but with leaning at least a 
   little in the enjoyment direction.  So in this very broad sense support 
   of Nature is always happening.
   
   
   Anyway, I don't think this is precisely what Maharishi means by support 
   of Nature.  What do you TMers current and ex think, especially you govs?  
   Very especially you former TTC teachers.  We know who you are!
   
   
   For me an example of support of Nature is that I left FF on a Wednesday 
   and the first big snow 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha

[Share Long]

thanks for your insights, Susan I agree with you on this.  I love it when I 
have that in the flow experience.  Being a former athlete, sometimes I call it 
being in the zone.  Same difference.


Yeah, I appreciate that phrase the thoughts are just there.  Definitely my 
experience more and more.



 From: Susan waybac...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Not THAT any!  Had any support of Nature lately?  Emily asked about support 
 of Nature and I was thinking about it and feeling befuddled.  Realized that I 
 tend to agree with Ken Keyes idea that everything in life is either for our 
 growth or for our enjoyment.  I'd add that ideally everything is for both 
 growth and enjoyment but with leaning at least a little in the enjoyment 
 direction.  So in this very broad sense support of Nature is always happening.
 
 
 Anyway, I don't think this is precisely what Maharishi means by support of 
 Nature.  What do you TMers current and ex think, especially you govs?  Very 
 especially you former TTC teachers.  We know who you are!
 
 
 For me an example of support of Nature is that I left FF on a Wednesday and 
 the first big snow of the season arrived the next day.  But I bet you very 
 creative FFLers can come up with way more fun examples than that (-:


I have had some experiences where what I was thinking or expecting actually 
happened in a woo woo ish way.  And times when it felt scarily as if I could 
control situations with my quiet thoughts (not mentally ill).  But what I think 
was going on was that my own thoughts had aligned with what was to be, with 
Nature.  It was not that Nature aligned with my intentions and wishes.  The 
experience was that the only thoughts that arose were those that on some very 
quiet level were really just a reflection of the flow of events already set in 
motion. I had tuned in to That.   It kind of felt as if I was moving things, 
but I seriously doubt it, since there were not many thoughts and they did not 
have the usual feel that I was controlling them. The thoughts just were there.

I think when most fo the time things happen that we feel are good luck or 
suport of Nature, it is just a nice intersection of events that would happen 
anyway coinciding with our own patterns.

Gotta hit the gym.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha

[Share Long]

happy that you're happy (-:




 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
 

  
I can't give you any concrete examples of support of
nature because...uh...it doesn't exist. What I can give
you is a definition that might help you to better under-
stand what's going on:

Support of nature is what mood-making TMers call 
coincidence. Something ordinary happens, and because
they want to feel important and as if something they
think of as 'Nature' is rearranging things just to 
suit them, they project something onto the ordinary
event to make it seem like *more* than coincidence. 
It isn't. 

There. Happy to have been of service. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Not THAT any!  Had any support of Nature lately?  Emily asked about support 
 of Nature and I was thinking about it and feeling befuddled.  Realized that I 
 tend to agree with Ken Keyes idea that everything in life is either for our 
 growth or for our enjoyment.  I'd add that ideally everything is for both 
 growth and enjoyment but with leaning at least a little in the enjoyment 
 direction.  So in this very broad sense support of Nature is always happening.
 
 Anyway, I don't think this is precisely what Maharishi means by support of 
 Nature.  What do you TMers current and ex think, especially you govs?  Very 
 especially you former TTC teachers.  We know who you are!
 
 For me an example of support of Nature is that I left FF on a Wednesday and 
 the first big snow of the season arrived the next day.  But I bet you very 
 creative FFLers can come up with way more fun examples than that (-:



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha

[Emily Reyn]

When my friend and I took off for Las Vegas/Utah this September - we did only 
one thing.  We booked our flights and hotel reservations on either end and we 
brought our camping gear.  We saidWell, we'll just play it by ear., 
because really, we were just too overwhelmed to do much else.  So, we ended up 
just following the next indicated step.  We planned our route in the hotel room 
with maps on the floor but with no guarantee of where we would stay. And, our 
conclusion was, that throughout our whole trip, the Universe supported us.  
Which it did.  For example, we got the last campground in 3 different spots 
and the last hotel room in one.  One good thing after another...one weird, good 
thing after another.  We were so lucky in so many ways.  So, we came back 
with a trust in the Universeis that the support of Nature?  I would say 
that we threw everything up to the wind, and were as flexible as necessary, and 
we received more
 than we could have hoped for.  Did we align with the Universe?  I don't think 
the Universe aligned for us, but we trusted that all would be well, and it was.

Of late, I have been having a number of weird coincidences happen; little 
things, big things..maybe life is like that and I'm just starting to notice.  
It makes me feel a part of instead of always feeling like I'm on the outside 
looking in.  




 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:44 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
 

  
I can't give you any concrete examples of support of
nature because...uh...it doesn't exist. What I can give
you is a definition that might help you to better under-
stand what's going on:

Support of nature is what mood-making TMers call 
coincidence. Something ordinary happens, and because
they want to feel important and as if something they
think of as 'Nature' is rearranging things just to 
suit them, they project something onto the ordinary
event to make it seem like *more* than coincidence. 
It isn't. 

There. Happy to have been of service. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Not THAT any!  Had any support of Nature lately?  Emily asked about support 
 of Nature and I was thinking about it and feeling befuddled.  Realized that 
 I tend to agree with Ken Keyes idea that everything in life is either for 
 our growth or for our enjoyment.  I'd add that ideally everything is for 
 both growth and enjoyment but with leaning at least a little in the 
 enjoyment direction.  So in this very broad sense support of Nature is 
 always happening.
 
 Anyway, I don't think this is precisely what Maharishi means by support of 
 Nature.  What do you TMers current and ex think, especially you govs?  Very 
 especially you former TTC teachers.  We know who you are!
 
 For me an example of support of Nature is that I left FF on a Wednesday and 
 the first big snow of the season arrived the next day.  But I bet you very 
 creative FFLers can come up with way more fun examples than that (-:



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha

[Emily Reyn]

snip In reality, as I saw it then and now, *I* was going  
more smoothly. Nature hadn't done a damned thing, and
wasn't paying any attention. It couldn't; it didn't
*have the ability* to pay attention, not being sentient
and all.
This speaks to a position of duality - you as separate from Natureif energy 
is energy is energy is energy, isn't there some argument for connection?  I 
think about this when I think about dying - back to Mother Earth, so to speak, 
philosophically.  





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 8:09 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 I have had some experiences where what I was thinking or 
 expecting actually happened in a woo woo ish way.  And 
 times when it felt scarily as if I could control situations 
 with my quiet thoughts (not mentally ill). But what I think 
 was going on was that my own thoughts had aligned with what 
 was to be, with Nature. It was not that Nature aligned with 
 my intentions and wishes. The experience was that the only 
 thoughts that arose were those that on some very quiet level 
 were really just a reflection of the flow of events already 
 set in motion. I had tuned in to That. 

I can appreciate your careful phrasing here, Susan,
and the thought you've given to this. I identify more 
with the idea of supporting nature (both in small 
case letters) than I do the support of Nature. I do not
conceive of (and have never conceived of) Nature as a 
sentient entity, capable of having its own intent or 
plan for anything, or even deserving the capital letter. 
Thus I don't easily think of nature controlling anything 
in any way, or having the ability to do so, or even having 
the consciousness to do so. nature just is. It is literally
What Is, whatever is.

What I can identify with is feeling from time to time in 
tune with What Is, with nature just doing its thing. But 
even as a TB TMer I never believed in Support of Nature, 
as Maharishi used the phrase. If I felt myself in the 
flow, and that things seemed to be going more smoothly 
today than other days, in my view (both then and now), 
nature had nothing to do with that. 

If anything, I had just succeeded in quieting my mind to 
the point where it didn't throw up any internal roadblocks 
to things going smoothly, and as a result it seemed that 
things *were* going more smoothly.

In reality, as I saw it then and now, *I* was going 
more smoothly. Nature hadn't done a damned thing, and
wasn't paying any attention. It couldn't; it didn't
*have the ability* to pay attention, not being sentient
and all.

I always managed to get by in the TMO while carrying
around this somewhat heretical belief. :-) I carefully 
avoided giving any advanced lectures that ever mentioned 
the concept of support of nature as Maharishi gave 
voice to it, and was spared anyone ever asking a question 
about it, because if they had I would have told them what 
MMY had said on the subject, but then would have had to 
explain that I disagreed with it completely. 

 It kind of felt as if I was moving things, but I seriously 
 doubt it, since there were not many thoughts and they did 
 not have the usual feel that I was controlling them. The 
 thoughts just were there.

Did you notice how effortlessly they came? Something
good is happening.  :-)

 I think when most fo the time things happen that we feel 
 are good luck or suport of Nature, it is just a nice 
 intersection of events that would happen anyway coinciding 
 with our own patterns.

That sounds like a great way to think of things, but
I'm not even convinced of the that would happen 
anyway part of it. I don't believe that anything 
is supposed to happen or inevitably will happen.
I think that the universe is eternally in flux, with
no fixed plan or future, and that the direction or 
outcome or future path of this constant flow-flux 
can be changed at any moment. 

We *DO* influence the world around us, and occasionally
can keep things from happening that would otherwise
most likely happened. The day I happened to be sitting
there when a neighborhood cat decided to take a flying
fuck at a floating swan and found himself in a canal
he couldn't climb out of strikes me as one of those
occasions. There was no one else around. If I had done
nothing, the cat would most likely have drowned, as
so many do every year when they fall into the canals.
But I was there, and I pulled the cat out. 

Now, is it more Occam's Razor likely that I just happened
to be there, and the cat just happened to benefit from
that, or that there was some Grand Plan somewhere that
shaped all of the events of my life (and the cat's) such
that I was somehow led there at that time and place to 
earn my cat-saving merit badge?

Personally, even if there is sentience behind the What 
Is of nature, I pretty 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha

[Emily Reyn]

If one throws an intention out there and one receives back what one was asking 
for, is it just coincidence?  I have used the principles stated in Hiring the 
Heavens and it has worked every time.  I often think it's just my brain doing 
la di da, but it makes for a good day.  




 From: Emily Reyn emilymae.r...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
 

snip In reality, as I saw it then and now, *I* was going  
more smoothly. Nature hadn't done a damned thing, and
wasn't paying any attention. It couldn't; it didn't
*have the ability* to pay attention, not being sentient
and all.
This speaks to a position of duality - you as separate from Natureif 
energy is energy is energy is energy, isn't there some argument for 
connection?  I think about this when I think about dying - back to Mother 
Earth, so to speak, philosophically.  






 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 8:09 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 I have had some experiences where what I was thinking or 
 expecting actually happened in a woo woo ish way.  And 
 times when it felt scarily as if I could control situations 
 with my quiet thoughts (not mentally ill). But what I think 
 was going on was that my own thoughts had aligned with what 
 was to be, with Nature. It was not that Nature aligned with 
 my intentions and wishes. The experience was that the only 
 thoughts that arose were those that on some very quiet level 
 were really just a reflection of the flow of events already 
 set in motion. I had tuned in to That. 

I can appreciate your careful phrasing here, Susan,
and the thought you've given to this. I identify more 
with the idea of supporting nature (both in small 
case letters) than I do the support of Nature. I do not
conceive of (and have never conceived of) Nature as a 
sentient entity, capable of having its own intent or 
plan for anything, or even deserving the capital letter. 
Thus I don't easily think of nature controlling anything 
in any way, or having the ability to do so, or even having 
the consciousness to do so. nature just is. It is literally
What Is, whatever is.

What I can identify with is feeling from time to time in 
tune with What Is, with nature just doing its thing. But 
even as a TB TMer I never believed in Support of Nature, 
as Maharishi used the phrase. If I felt myself in the 
flow, and that things seemed to be going more smoothly 
today than other days, in my view (both then and now), 
nature had nothing to do with that. 

If anything, I had just succeeded in quieting my mind to 
the point where it didn't throw up any internal roadblocks 
to things going smoothly, and as a result it seemed that 
things *were* going more smoothly.

In reality, as I saw it then and now, *I* was going 
more smoothly. Nature hadn't done a damned thing, and
wasn't paying any attention. It couldn't; it didn't
*have the ability* to pay attention, not being sentient
and all.

I always managed to get by in the TMO while carrying
around this somewhat heretical belief. :-) I carefully 
avoided giving any advanced lectures that ever mentioned 
the concept of support of nature as Maharishi gave 
voice to it, and was spared anyone ever asking a question 
about it, because if they had I would have told them what 
MMY had said on the subject, but then would have had to 
explain that I disagreed with it completely. 

 It kind of felt as if I was moving things, but I seriously 
 doubt it, since there were not many thoughts and they did 
 not have the usual feel that I was controlling them. The 
 thoughts just were there.

Did you notice how effortlessly they came? Something
good is happening.  :-)

 I think when most fo the time things happen that we feel 
 are good luck or suport of Nature, it is just a nice 
 intersection of events that would happen anyway coinciding 
 with our own patterns.

That sounds like a great way to think of things, but
I'm not even convinced of the that would happen 
anyway part of it. I don't believe that anything 
is supposed to happen or inevitably will happen.
I think that the universe is eternally in flux, with
no fixed plan or future, and that the direction or 
outcome or future path of this constant flow-flux 
can be changed at any moment. 

We *DO* influence the world around us, and occasionally
can keep things from happening that would otherwise
most likely happened. The day I happened to be sitting
there when a neighborhood cat decided to take a flying
fuck at a floating swan and found himself in a canal
he couldn't climb out of strikes me as one of those
occasions. There was no one else around. If I had done
nothing, the cat would most

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha

[Emily Reyn]

Rightin my world, I am the elements of nature.  




 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
 

  
I'm thinking if I step into a vacuum chamber, i.e. no natural elements, I 
explode and die, very quickly. Sort of settles the living independent of 
Nature theory.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote:

 snip In reality, as I saw it then and now, *I* was going  
 more smoothly. Nature hadn't done a damned thing, and
 wasn't paying any attention. It couldn't; it didn't
 *have the ability* to pay attention, not being sentient
 and all.
 This speaks to a position of duality - you as separate from Natureif 
 energy is energy is energy is energy, isn't there some argument for 
 connection?  I think about this when I think about dying - back to Mother 
 Earth, so to speak, philosophically.  
 
 
 
 
 
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 8:09 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: had any lately ha ha
  
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 
  I have had some experiences where what I was thinking or 
  expecting actually happened in a woo woo ish way.  And 
  times when it felt scarily as if I could control situations 
  with my quiet thoughts (not mentally ill). But what I think 
  was going on was that my own thoughts had aligned with what 
  was to be, with Nature. It was not that Nature aligned with 
  my intentions and wishes. The experience was that the only 
  thoughts that arose were those that on some very quiet level 
  were really just a reflection of the flow of events already 
  set in motion. I had tuned in to That. 
 
 I can appreciate your careful phrasing here, Susan,
 and the thought you've given to this. I identify more 
 with the idea of supporting nature (both in small 
 case letters) than I do the support of Nature. I do not
 conceive of (and have never conceived of) Nature as a 
 sentient entity, capable of having its own intent or 
 plan for anything, or even deserving the capital letter. 
 Thus I don't easily think of nature controlling anything 
 in any way, or having the ability to do so, or even having 
 the consciousness to do so. nature just is. It is literally
 What Is, whatever is.
 
 What I can identify with is feeling from time to time in 
 tune with What Is, with nature just doing its thing. But 
 even as a TB TMer I never believed in Support of Nature, 
 as Maharishi used the phrase. If I felt myself in the 
 flow, and that things seemed to be going more smoothly 
 today than other days, in my view (both then and now), 
 nature had nothing to do with that. 
 
 If anything, I had just succeeded in quieting my mind to 
 the point where it didn't throw up any internal roadblocks 
 to things going smoothly, and as a result it seemed that 
 things *were* going more smoothly.
 
 In reality, as I saw it then and now, *I* was going 
 more smoothly. Nature hadn't done a damned thing, and
 wasn't paying any attention. It couldn't; it didn't
 *have the ability* to pay attention, not being sentient
 and all.
 
 I always managed to get by in the TMO while carrying
 around this somewhat heretical belief. :-) I carefully 
 avoided giving any advanced lectures that ever mentioned 
 the concept of support of nature as Maharishi gave 
 voice to it, and was spared anyone ever asking a question 
 about it, because if they had I would have told them what 
 MMY had said on the subject, but then would have had to 
 explain that I disagreed with it completely. 
 
  It kind of felt as if I was moving things, but I seriously 
  doubt it, since there were not many thoughts and they did 
  not have the usual feel that I was controlling them. The 
  thoughts just were there.
 
 Did you notice how effortlessly they came? Something
 good is happening.  :-)
 
  I think when most fo the time things happen that we feel 
  are good luck or suport of Nature, it is just a nice 
  intersection of events that would happen anyway coinciding 
  with our own patterns.
 
 That sounds like a great way to think of things, but
 I'm not even convinced of the that would happen 
 anyway part of it. I don't believe that anything 
 is supposed to happen or inevitably will happen.
 I think that the universe is eternally in flux, with
 no fixed plan or future, and that the direction or 
 outcome or future path of this constant flow-flux 
 can be changed at any moment. 
 
 We *DO* influence the world around us, and occasionally
 can keep things from happening that would otherwise
 most likely happened. The day I happened to be sitting
 there when a neighborhood cat decided to take a flying
 fuck at a floating swan and found himself in a canal
 he couldn't climb out of