drago01, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:00:56 +0200:
Another don't use $LANGUAGE because its evil post from RMS.
($LANGUAGE has been Java, Javascript and now C#).
I am not big fan of RMS, but we have to admit that at least in case of
Java, he was just right, and among other things, because of strong
Kevin Kofler, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:08:11 +0200:
I'm not familiar with the JavaScript story, but if he really recommended
against using it, there was certainly a valid reason.
His point was that thousands of line of hardly obfuscated Javascript
(think Google Docs) is hard to recognize from
Peter Lemenkov, Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:25:10 +0400:
Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example. Don't fool
yourself with wrong statement that many users (not redhat employees)
using Rawhide.
Actually in this case Red Hat employees are as good as any other user.
Matěj
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Ralf Corsepius, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:22:47 +0200:
Yes, my Fedora 11 _desktop_ experience so far has been very negative, to
say the least.
And yes it says just a little about state of F11 desktop.
Matěj
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Is is possible to *install* Fedora using our accessibility support out
of the box, specifically do we have support for installing fedora and
have a software based synthesizer available for the screen reader during
installation ?
I see that there was a previous fedora-derived effort but only as
Le Lun 29 juin 2009 22:05, Peter Lemenkov a écrit :
Please, keep in mind, that almost nodoby using Rawhide
Which is why rawhide quality needs to improve because rawhide is the
next Fedora version and if it's not usable now F12 will start will
mass updates and destabilization as usual.
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Matej Ceplmc...@redhat.com wrote:
Kevin Kofler, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:08:11 +0200:
I'm not familiar with the JavaScript story, but if he really recommended
against using it, there was certainly a valid reason.
His point was that thousands of line of hardly
2009/6/30 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at:
Seth Vidal wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, R P Herrold wrote:
umm -- trying to boot and install the x86_86 image on a i686 unit returns
basically the same under Anaconda's kernel
which is why i686 isos are the ones users get by default.
...
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Nicolas
Mailhotnicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote:
Le Lun 29 juin 2009 22:05, Peter Lemenkov a écrit :
Please, keep in mind, that almost nodoby using Rawhide
Which is why rawhide quality needs to improve because rawhide is the
next Fedora version and if it's
I have just orphaned par2cmdline¹. I am not using that package for more than
one year, now, and I was doing the minimal maintenance (taking care of mass-
rebuilds and so on).
Erik van Pienbroek (erik-fed...@vanpienbroek.nl) is already willing to
maintain it, as he is currently maintaining
On Tuesday 30 June 2009 01:47:37 am Laurent Rineau wrote:
I have just orphaned par2cmdline¹. I am not using that package for more
than one year, now, and I was doing the minimal maintenance (taking care of
mass- rebuilds and so on).
Erik van Pienbroek (erik-fed...@vanpienbroek.nl) is already
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:21 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:
I was reading an article today in ComputerWorld about something called
KSplice, which allows Linux users to install critical updates and
patch in without rebooting the computer. I tried it and while it was a
bit odd for installing (not
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 23:22 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:
Also, while KSplice is currently being used for kernel updates, it
isn't limited to those. It could be adapted to work for other updates
that normally force a reboot. Though, I can't think of any off the top
of my head, it has been over
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:38 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:
Then Linux shouldn't be compiled using kmods and instead as a
monolithic binary, since kernel modules fall under the patent.
Besides, there are tons of prior art on it. KSplice is a good
technology that could possibly be integrated
Matthias Clasen wrote:
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We
want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make
everyday
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:47:23AM +0200, Joel Granados wrote:
Heads up.
New parted version comming to fedora devel. This will bring in a bunch
of bugfixes. It does not change the API.
Upstream has not released 1.9.0 yet, but what is on master will probably
end up in the release (with minor
On Monday 29 June 2009 16:19:13 Cliff Nadler wrote:
I think a Help me choose choice that takes you to a page with
descriptions of each spin's environment would be more friendly (and
probably more accurate as to why someone would want to use that choice.
[cut]
I agree, Help me choose +
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:48:39AM +0200, Joel Granados wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:47:23AM +0200, Joel Granados wrote:
Heads up.
New parted version comming to fedora devel. This will bring in a bunch
of bugfixes. It does not change the API.
Upstream has not released 1.9.0 yet,
In my opinion, maybe Mono is a good thing for attracting more developers to
come into Linux world. Also Programmers write a lot of great softwares,
such as tomboy, f-spot and giver. But we can not ignore that there are some
legal issues in Mono. If Microsoft accuses some users of stealing his
On 30/06/09 03:41, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Another big issue is what -devel packages to ship. A KDE application
developer will have little to no use for GNOME -devel packages and
vice-versa. The old Developer spin had only the GNOME -devel stuff on it
(it didn't even ship KDE at all),
#1 A Poll
Hi,
how do I remove obsolete buildings from Body?
I tried delete, but I always get:
500 Internal error
The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from
fulfilling the request.
Thanks.
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On 06/30/2009 07:26 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
ACPI docking stations are mildly complicated creatures that require the
OS to handle part of the undocking process. We're currently doing this
entirely within the kernel, but this has the significant downside that
there's no way to handle
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:38:58 -0500, you wrote:
technology that could possibly be integrated in. fedora-ksplice is
only build scripts for the kernel it looks like. ksplice
The fedora-ksplice script are doing the following:
1.) Getting the sources of the current running fedora kernel
2.) Prepare
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Arjan van de Venar...@infradead.org wrote:
how common are docking stations in practice?
(as opposed to port extenders)
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On Tuesday 30 June 2009, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Richard Junerj...@bravegnuworld.com
wrote:
Does archetecture get exported anywhere by javascript?
If so, it would provide a simple way to query the users' hardware.
No.
Sure it does get exported, kind of, but at
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 14:56 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Once this code is ready I'd like to change the kernel defaults to
allow this. The problem is that this will cause a reduction in
functionality for desktops that don't have this integration. How
should this kind of situation be handled?
Ville Skyttä wrote:
Sure it does get exported, kind of, but at least some parsing is
required and there are cross browser issues; see navigator.platform,
navigator.oscpu and/or navigator.userAgent. Anyway, as others have
already noted, the usefulness of that info for the above purpose is very
Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
The difference with what Ksplice inc. are now offering for Ubuntu is
that they also provide a stream of pre-prepared updates for the released
Ubuntu kernels (the Uptrack service).
And as I explained, this can't be done for the released Fedora kernels
(because they get big
Adam Miller wrote:
That's actually a little different, Kubutu and Xubuntu are considered
completely separate distributions from within the Ubuntu community.
That wasn't really my point (it was about their use of just one letter for
each desktop environment), but...
They all have disjoint
梁穗隆 wrote:
I am using f-spot to export my photos to picasa web album. It is much
better than Google Picasa for Linux. I know that gnote will replace
tomboy. I hope solang will replace f-spot for the reason that sometimes
after I upload photos to picasa web album f-spot would crash.
Try
Matthew Garrett wrote:
I've been working with David Zeuthen to flesh out proper desktop support
for this, and we're now at the point where there's not a great deal of
code to write to get this working cleanly. Unfortunately this requires a
certain level of integration between the kernel and
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 17:34 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
The difference with what Ksplice inc. are now offering for Ubuntu is
that they also provide a stream of pre-prepared updates for the released
Ubuntu kernels (the Uptrack service).
And as I explained, this can't
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
That said, Kubuntu and Xubuntu aren't really completely separate either,
they're just marketed as such. They're really just spins from the same
repository. The way they're marketed as separate is really silly.
They are
梁穗隆 on 06/30/2009 10:51 AM wrote:
So I really hope that solang will replace f-spot soon. And solang has
more new features than f-spot.
I don't see a package review request or any koji builds. Are you sure
it's coming to Fedora?
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Matej Cepl wrote:
His point was that thousands of line of hardly obfuscated Javascript
(think Google Docs) is hard to recognize from binary-only distribution,
which I can see as pretty good argument.
Right. The point isn't really about JavaScript the language, but about its
integration into
Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) said:
Chris Adams wrote:
ISTR FESCo voted that down.
They voted it down based on false assumptions, such as the one from Bill
Nottingham (the one that it doesn't make any actual difference,
You know, I realize we may not agree. But I'd appreciate it
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
ISTR FESCo voted that down.
They voted it down based on false assumptions, such as the one from Bill
Nottingham (the one that it doesn't make any actual difference, which was
also Seth Vidal's main argument) I just rectified in
On 06/30/2009 09:28 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
梁穗隆 on 06/30/2009 10:51 AM wrote:
So I really hope that solang will replace f-spot soon. And solang has
more new features than f-spot.
I don't see a package review request or any koji builds. Are you sure
it's coming to Fedora?
Solang
梁穗隆 on 06/30/2009 10:51 AM wrote:
So I really hope that solang will replace f-spot soon. And solang has
more new features than f-spot.
I don't see a package review request or any koji builds. Are you sure
it's coming to Fedora?
I really do not know when it comes to Fedora. I hope it soon.
If
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2009/6/30 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org:
On 06/30/2009 09:28 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
梁穗隆 on 06/30/2009 10:51 AM wrote:
So I really hope that solang will replace f-spot soon. And solang has
more new features than f-spot.
I don't see a package review request or any koji
梁穗隆, Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:51:30 +0800:
I am using f-spot to export my photos to picasa web album. It is much
better than Google Picasa for Linux. I know that gnote will replace
tomboy. I hope solang will replace f-spot for the reason that
sometimes after I upload photos to picasa web album
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Am 30.06.2009 19:04, schrieb Bill McGonigle:
ksplice updates are only available for:
1. kernels that have been the lastest kernel in the past two weeks
2. kernel updates that are remotely exploitable
3. kernel updates that rate 'high' on CVSS
I was rather surprised to see:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2009-6661
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-6076
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2009-6370
Where the automake was upgraded to 1.11 for F9, F10, and F11.
In general
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 05:48:44PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Once this code is ready I'd like to change the kernel defaults to allow
this. The problem is that this will cause a reduction in functionality
for desktops that don't have this integration. How should this kind
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Matthew Garrettm...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 05:48:44PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
You have to tell us what we need to change in KDE and give us the necessary
time to adapt, even if it means you have to wait for Fedora 13 to push this
change.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:38:32AM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
There have been a few requests to split out the various libraries in
e2fsprogs into subpackages:
libcom_err(-devel)
libss(-devel)
libuuid(-devel)
Note that libblkid(-devel) has already been split out as it is now part
of
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 13:42 -0500, Jud Craft wrote:
Fedora's deployment of that work, however, is another matter. Does
Fedora offer a variety of environments with a set of common features
and infrastructure, or is it one functional desktop and one use at
your own risk desktop?
Strictly,
Hi,
I got this segfault trying to connect to the Microsoft VPN at work. [1]
What should I raise a ticket against? NetworkManager, kernel, pptp,
none of the above?
[1] http://mbooth.fedorapeople.org/vpn-bug.txt
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On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
Hi,
I got this segfault trying to connect to the Microsoft VPN at work. [1]
What should I raise a ticket against? NetworkManager, kernel, pptp,
none of the above?
[1] http://mbooth.fedorapeople.org/vpn-bug.txt
Dnia 2009-06-30, o godz. 10:35:13
Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com napisał(a):
If parts of userspace cannot re-initialise themselves without a reboot
then they should just be fixed. Even init has been able to do this for
years now - resorting to exotic live-patching methods for updating
On 6/30/09 2:05 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
I was rather surprised to see:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2009-6661
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-6076
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2009-6370
Where the automake was upgraded to
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
I was rather surprised to see:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2009-6661
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-6076
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2009-6370
Where the
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 14:05 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
But is this the type of upgrade that makes sense in general? It seems to
me that we should be very conservative in upgrading build tools,
especially in maintenance mode distributions like F9 and F10.
Agreed, and if there was a truly
Bill Nottingham wrote:
17:33:02 notting The current naming misleads users into either thinking
GNOME is the only available desktop environment in Fedora or thinking the
image also provides the other options. - i don't really think either of
these are accurate
Well, I don't see how that's not
Seth Vidal wrote:
It really wasn't my main argument. My main argument was that we need a
default no matter what and that adding 'GNOME' to the label doesn't change
anything
If it doesn't change anything, why can't we add it? That argument doesn't
make sense.
and adds to the confusion of new
Adam Miller wrote:
But none of that really matters, and I do see your point that we would
essentially run into a similar situation from a marketing standpoint
Huh? If you follow the thread, I didn't really make that point at all! I
just said made a semi-serious remark about how having a desktop
F9 will be EOL'd very very soon. This is probably the last call for updates
to F9.
I wouldn't bother with updates-testing, as the time required to properly get
those pushed out and have feedback from them is longer than the EOL date. That
does not mean to push untested stuff straight to stable.
Bill McGonigle wrote:
The parenthetical is the actual reason people don't like to reboot and
may ignore security updates. Boot times are trivial in comparison to
restoring one's application state, for anything beyond the most trivial
of use cases.
The average home user turns his/her computer
Darn straight. I stand corrected.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Adam Jacksona...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 13:42 -0500, Jud Craft wrote:
Fedora's deployment of that work, however, is another matter. Does
Fedora offer a variety of environments with a set of common features
Josh Boyer wrote:
I think the words you have choosen here are too strong. There is no
current policy or requirement that requires that.
And that's a big problem which needs fixing. Though I'd argue that it's just
common sense and shouldn't need a policy in the first place. Just breaking
other
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 14:05 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
But is this the type of upgrade that makes sense in general? It seems to
me that we should be very conservative in upgrading build tools,
especially in maintenance mode distributions like F9 and F10.
Totally agree with you. We shouldn't be
Matthew Garrett wrote:
So, what you'll get is a notification that a block device has requested
removal along with a notification that a dock device is being undocked.
What you do with the block device is up to you, but in general you'll
want to unmount it.
IMHO DeviceKit should just unmount
Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
This is seriously dubious for F9, since if it causes a problem there
is next to no time in which to fix it before F9 updates are turned
off. In general I struggle to believe that there is a compelling
need to rebase automake versions in our stable releases.
Some
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:31:20AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
IMHO DeviceKit should just unmount it itself and notify the desktop that it
has unmounted the device so the desktop can report it (or ignore it if it
doesn't know about the event). I don't see why we need to add code to every
On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 16:46 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Can't the desktop inform the kernel if it can handle the
interaction?
If not, you can just fallback to the current behavior.
Somewhat, but you then hit issues like fast user switching potentially
involving desktops that support
Kevin Kofler writes:
Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
This is seriously dubious for F9, since if it causes a problem there
is next to no time in which to fix it before F9 updates are turned
off. In general I struggle to believe that there is a compelling
need to rebase automake versions in our
On 06/30/2009 09:11 PM, Mat Booth wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
Hi,
I got this segfault trying to connect to the Microsoft VPN at work. [1]
What should I raise a ticket against? NetworkManager, kernel, pptp,
none of the above?
[1]
On 06/30/2009 08:14 AM, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
how common are docking stations in practice?
(as opposed to port extenders)
Majority of our laptop users have them. Would be great to have them
supported.
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On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:37:16AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Josh Boyer wrote:
I think the words you have choosen here are too strong. There is no
current policy or requirement that requires that.
And that's a big problem which needs fixing. Though I'd argue that it's just
common sense and
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Seth Vidal wrote:
It really wasn't my main argument. My main argument was that we need a
default no matter what and that adding 'GNOME' to the label doesn't change
anything
If it doesn't change anything, why can't we
By the way,
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
I was rather surprised to see:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2009-6661
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-6076
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F11/FEDORA-2009-6370
Where the
Installed this kernel, and upon boot it panics. I can't find anything
in any logs, as it seems to happen upon first start of boot (as in
during the quiet part of boot) before the processes are started to
come up.
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Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:31:20AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
IMHO DeviceKit should just unmount it itself and notify the
desktop that it
has unmounted the device so the desktop can report it (or
ignore it if it
doesn't
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 09:01:45PM -0400, Ben Boeckel wrote:
Isn't there Save As... for saving it? If not, I smell a bug
report. When I'm working over sshfs and the network goes down,
my editor still works with the file, the actual save is what
fails.
It depends on what resources you
- Matthew Garrett m...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 05:48:44PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
What changes are needed to the desktop?
The big problem we've been facing integrating new features of core
system
services into KDE so far was lack of
Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) said:
The thing is, any moment is as good as any other to file a proposal to
FESCo, I don't see why I *shouldn't* have filed it now.
I wasn't asking as a means of making an argument against it. I'm asking
because this is something that could have been
Hi Kevin,
It was because you (plural) didn't want to listen to my
arguments, you were just eager to shoot my proposal down no
matter what.
I think this is your 60th post to this thread, in the four days that
it's been going. I don't have anything to say about the thread
itself, but
Josh Boyer (jwbo...@gmail.com) said:
So I agree breaking things is bad, and in general we should all try and play
nice and communicate about upcoming changes. Which is exactly what Matthew
has done by starting this very thread. Good for him.
And, to be honest, I think a hack that just
Hi folks,
Ksplice is very interesting and I've spoken with a few people about it
before. I met the (local to Cambridge, MA) ksplice guys several times
and recently talked to them about the kinds of things they're doing
right now. Uptrack is a nice showcase of the technology for sure.
More
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
This is seriously dubious for F9, since if it causes a problem there
is next to no time in which to fix it before F9 updates are turned
off. In general I struggle to believe that there is a compelling
need to rebase automake versions in our stable
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