Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-10 Thread Beartooth
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:20:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 20:56 +, Beartooth wrote: Well, all of my UPSs (iirc) are wired by the maker (APC) to complain if not; this particular one, a duplicate of what my computer shop uses, would probably do its celebrated

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-10 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Beartooth wrote: snip That was probably a red herring and a brain fart, actually; the second is a laptop i will accept red herring. wind does not blow this way often. sound carries even less. What I'm trying to say is that the power cords I ok.

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-09 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Beartooth wrote: snip I thought I had implied that it was indeed the only way, or the you did, but you failed to mention 2 computers on same ups. [see below] No power cord I've ever seen could be pulled fast from anything I not a matter of

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 16:07 +, Beartooth wrote: The young friend was here yesterday evening, and concluded immediately that the power supply was dead. Maybe it did arc somewhere; odd that that hasn't happened before. Not at all. Power supplies can die after a while like everything else,

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-09 Thread Beartooth
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:12:25 +, g wrote: Beartooth wrote: snip I thought I had implied that it was indeed the only way, or the you did, but you failed to mention 2 computers on same ups. [see below] That was probably a red herring and a brain fart, actually; the second is a

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-09 Thread Beartooth
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:51:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 16:07 +, Beartooth wrote: The young friend was here yesterday evening, and concluded immediately that the power supply was dead. Maybe it did arc somewhere; odd that that hasn't happened before. Not at

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-09 Thread Alan Cox
If you mean the brand then I wouldn't worry about it. They are all pretty standard (and are also liable to fail after a few years). They can also fail from silly things that happen by accident often un-noticed. I zapped one a few months ago by the fine and wonderful technique of dropping a

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 20:56 +, Beartooth wrote: Well, all of my UPSs (iirc) are wired by the maker (APC) to complain if not; this particular one, a duplicate of what my computer shop uses, would probably do its celebrated imitation of a fire engine in a fight to the death with an

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-09 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 20:46 +, Beartooth wrote: the power cords I have plug so deep and so tightly into both ends that the only way to remove one is to wiggle it, gaining perhaps 1/5 mm per wiggle. Not generally a good idea, wiggling connectors weakens them, never mind any arcing that

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-09 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 21:42 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: They can also fail from silly things that happen by accident often un-noticed. I zapped one a few months ago by the fine and wonderful technique of dropping a small screw into it. Ah yes, the extra screw... ;-) Which is usually better than

Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-07 Thread Beartooth
My #1 machine (with F9 on one hard drive, and XP (to run topo maps) on the other) won't do anything; it doesn't even turn its little blue light on. This *could* be my doing. Fool that I was, I went and fiddled with what I had in sys-config-network, or whatever its name is, and

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-07 Thread Roger Heflin
Beartooth wrote: My #1 machine (with F9 on one hard drive, and XP (to run topo maps) on the other) won't do anything; it doesn't even turn its little blue light on. This *could* be my doing. Fool that I was, I went and fiddled with what I had in sys-config-network, or whatever

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 16:05 +, Beartooth wrote: My #1 machine (with F9 on one hard drive, and XP (to run topo maps) on the other) won't do anything; it doesn't even turn its little blue light on. Hardware problem. Very likely the power supply, which in PCs are often cheapo units

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-07 Thread fred smith
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 04:05:50PM +, Beartooth wrote: My #1 machine (with F9 on one hard drive, and XP (to run topo maps) on the other) won't do anything; it doesn't even turn its little blue light on. This *could* be my doing. Fool that I was, I went and fiddled

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-07 Thread Björn Persson
torsdagen den 7 augusti 2008 skrev Beartooth:         My #1 machine (with F9 on one hard drive, and XP (to run topo maps) on the other) won't do anything; it doesn't even turn its little blue light on. That sounds a lot like a hardware failure. When I had a similar failure I ended up

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-07 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Beartooth wrote: snip It hung up, early in the reboot sequence -- just starting to shut down, in fact, iirc. Reset button did nothing; power button did nothing; I pulled the plug, and walked away. never just pull a power cord, unless that

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-07 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 g wrote: Beartooth wrote: snip ooopppsss... replace xt with atx and 'xt' with 'atx. xt power supply [you do have newer 'xt' type mainboard?] has a 'standby' +5v that is used for push button power on. this +5v must be jumpered to another pin to

Re: Hardware trouble? Me? Or ...??

2008-08-07 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 g wrote: snip if you want to trouble shoot power supply, let me know and i will dig up pin out for power supply to mainboard connector. [if friend does not already have]. i started to look and thought; 'not thru all of notes i have collected.