Re: Fixing the kernel for intel laptops
2010/1/1 Paul p...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk: Hi, I'm trying to get my Intel graphics driven laptop up and running again (see BZ 523646 for details of the problem) and am trying to rebuild the kernel using the latest from kernel.org and the fedora srpm (install srpm, copy the kernel, run the spec). The idea is I drop each patch, build and see which one is killing the system and then feed that back to the kernel bods. That sounds like you want to read about: git-bisect -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: ABRT considered painful
On 12/31/2009 07:11 PM, Jonathan Underwood wrote:
2009/12/29 Michael Schwendtmschwe...@gmail.com:
What's wrong with ABRT?
Originally, with stock F-12, I had received a couple of good backtraces in
bugzilla. Incredibly useful. A wonderful improvement over F-11 and older.
And later? - Recently, in all the backtraces dozens of debuginfo packages
are missing. :-(
Locally, for the past few days, debuginfo packages have failed to
install for me because I have the rpmfusion-{free,nonfree}
repositories activated, and the main mirrorlist for rpmfusion seems to
have gone down, so debuginfo never completes, and abrt carries on its
merry way. I suspect others are seeing this.
ABRT 1.0.2 should fix the problems with installing the debug packages,
the only problem I know about is when some of the enabled repositories
is down - then the yum fails to download debuginfo even if it's in
working directory and there is not much ABRT can do about this.
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Re: ABRT considered painful
On 12/29/2009 09:40 PM, Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Michael Schwendtmschwe...@gmail.comwrote: Originally, with stock F-12, I had received a couple of good backtraces in bugzilla. , and then it's quite often unreliable in delivering bug reports or making it clear that any particular crash has or has not been reported correctly. Which bugs do you mean? If you're talking about kerneloops then there is no way we can show some other message then Thenk you for submitting as the kerneloops server doesn't return any url with reported oops. attachment: jmoskovc.vcf-- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: installing 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit system (nouveau issue?)
(warning: added cross posting to fedora-devel) Ramesh.R wrote: You can use 32 bit OS in 64 bit processor. 32 bit address bus will use 64 bit. MSB 32 bits will be idle.. But for the case, 64 bit OS in a 32 bit processor is not possible by theory. No one is talking about that. You are not the only one in this thread to have misunderstood. Suppose you have a 64 bit processor. You can run: (a) 64 bit kernel + 64 bit apps: that would be a pure 64 bit system (b) 64 bit kernel + 64 bit and 32 bit apps: that would be a multilib system, where you keep some 32 apps for some reasons A normal Fedora installation will give you case (a) or (b). Now, consider this: (c) 64 bit kernel + 32 bit apps: this is simply an extreme case of (b), a 64/32 system where every app is 32. Case (c) is interesting because: - you can switch a 32 bit install to this mode by simply installing a 64 bit kernel (and switch back at grub level any time you want) - the 64 bit kernel can handle all your memory better (faster) than 32 or 32+PAE kernel - you avoid the increased memory consumption of 64 bit apps (pointers are wider; there is big debate how much this impacts performance and if it is able to demolish the other improvements of x86_64 such as more regusters and SSE2 guaranteed avalability). Add to this that when you run 32 and 64 bit apps together you have both versions of the system libraries in memory, so the mem usage is higher. Finally, the discussion is: case (c) _SHOULD_ work perfectly in theory (see case (b)), but apparently there are a couple of bad spots for things no one ever run in 32 bit mode on 64 bit kernel. The first one I heard is the Nvidia closed source driver (ok, we already know closed source = unfixable problems), but this thread seems to suggest that nouveau has a similar issue. My suspicion is that it is just an untested area and a fix could be done easily. In any case, it looks like a show stopper for nvidia users. Best regards. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: ABRT considered painful
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:53:28 +0100, Jiri wrote: ABRT 1.0.2 should fix the problems with installing the debug packages, the only problem I know about is when some of the enabled repositories is down - then the yum fails to download debuginfo even if it's in working directory and there is not much ABRT can do about this. One of the ABRT test-updates warned about missing debuginfo packages. If it knows that many debuginfo packages are missing and details in the backtrace are missing, too, can it try harder to warn users about not uploading incomplete backtraces? It could warn again if a user wants to delete a report in ABRT that has only been uploaded with missing details. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: ABRT considered painful
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:53:28 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: the only problem I know about is when some of the enabled repositories is down - then the yum fails to download debuginfo even if it's in working directory and there is not much ABRT can do about this. Which YUM bug # is it? Could you provide a temporary workaround supplying something like (needs some testing): --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo='fedora*' --enablerepo='updates*' I think --skip-broken could apply also to inaccessible repositories; but that is offtopic here - for ABRT, this is a YUM issue. Regards, Jan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: ABRT considered painful
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 11:53 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: [...] ABRT 1.0.2 should fix the problems with installing the debug packages, Does this mean ABRT 1.0.2 installs those missing debuginfo packages automatically and also _removes_ them after the bug was committed? I'm not really familiar with the handling of debuginfo packages maybe someone can explain that to mean. My understanding is the following: The debuginfo packages contain symbols etc. which were striped out after the build process to ensure a small binary to save memory (and as a side effect speed). When the debuginfo package of a particular binary is installed, then the symbols are loaded whenever the binary is loaded or are the symbols only considered by tools like gdb and so on? This is crucial to me because if the debug symbols are loaded whenever the binary is loaded, then this means a performance decrease but if they are only loaded by gdb, ABRT or whatever, then this only means some waste of my disk space which may be negligible (if the debuginfo packages are not removed automatically). cheers, Stefan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: ABRT considered painful
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:53:28 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: the only problem I know about is when some of the enabled repositories is down - then the yum fails to download debuginfo even if it's in working directory and there is not much ABRT can do about this. Which YUM bug # is it? Could you provide a temporary workaround supplying something like (needs some testing): --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo='fedora*' --enablerepo='updates*' I think --skip-broken could apply also to inaccessible repositories; but that is offtopic here - for ABRT, this is a YUM issue. Well this yum issue is by design .. reporting it does not have much sense because Seth do not want to change/fix it. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Mono.Cecil monodevelop-debugger-mdb
Hi, You can't expect everyone to change their software design to work for Fedora, even if it has disadvantages. We do expect that, sorry. Bundling libraries is not a solution, fixing the library not to break its ABI/API every couple days is. Here I have to agree with you Kevin. Mono.Cecil is a pain, but it's the only one in Mono which does change between packages. I don't understand why. As it stands, the fix was easy; change monodevelop so that it doesn't add mono.cecil to the list that it provides and add it in by itself. It's not a fix upstream will listen to (as aren't the 64 bit lib fixes - don't ask, I've been trying for ages to get them to accept them). I'm going to have a go at building the other monodevelop plugins over the next week and get them into rawhide Assuming I still can by then ;-p TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
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Re: ABRT considered painful
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:39:07 +0100, Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote: When the debuginfo package of a particular binary is installed, then the symbols are loaded whenever the binary is loaded or are the symbols only considered by tools like gdb and so on? The latter. Moreover ABRT does not install the whole debuginfo package but only copies the needed specific .debug files out of it somewhere - as know the ABRT people. Jan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: ABRT considered painful
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:34:47 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:53:28 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: the only problem I know about is when some of the enabled repositories is down - then the yum fails to download debuginfo even if it's in working directory and there is not much ABRT can do about this. ... Well this yum issue is by design .. reporting it does not have much sense because Seth do not want to change/fix it. Found this flameware at this open Bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528014 Regards, Jan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: ABRT considered painful
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010, Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:34:47 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:53:28 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: the only problem I know about is when some of the enabled repositories is down - then the yum fails to download debuginfo even if it's in working directory and there is not much ABRT can do about this. ... Well this yum issue is by design .. reporting it does not have much sense because Seth do not want to change/fix it. Found this flameware at this open Bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528014 What flames? I said no and that - if abrt wants to do otherwise they can use the yum api to do so. How is that a flame? -sv -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Looking for pointers how to set up lzma stream using xz-devel
I am working on getting squashfs-tools 4.1 in rawhide. It has wrapper functions that are set up to use streaming compression/uncompression from the LZMA SDK 4.65 library. Currently the LZMA SDK 4.32 library is in Fedora, but is no longer supported upstream and is not compatible with 4.65. I think the xz-devel and xz-libs packages support a 4.65 compatible format using the LZMA1 filter, but I am having trouble figuring out how to use this library. I don't think packaging the LZMA SDK 4.65 library is a good option. It would be a third library doing essentially the same thing and would potentially be confused with the 4.32 library that currently is used by some legacy lzma tools that should probably eventually go away as xz provides the same functions. So far I have been looking through the include files, but they really aren't organized in a way that makes figuring out what you need to do easy. I haven't found any good API documentation yet. The xz source README says there isn't any, but that it is a lot like zlib. Possibly looking at the the code for the tools in the xz package will help. I was hoping someone could point me to either some good documentation or some good sample code to look at. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Packaging problem with %find_lang
Hi,
Packaging up monodevelop-boo and I've hit a problem with find_lang which
I can't figure out as everything seems fine!
I have the %find_lang %{name} in the %install section where name =
monodevelop-boo (which is the correct name for the translation files).
When the spec file reaches this point though, it complains there are no
translation files despite there being translation files!
The build is producing the following
mkdir
-p
/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/
cp '../build/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo'
'/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo'
mkdir
-p
/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/
cp '../build/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo'
'/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo'
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILD/monodevelop-boo-2.2/po'
make[1]: Entering directory
`/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILD/monodevelop-boo-2.2'
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILD/monodevelop-boo-2.2'
+ /usr/lib/rpm/find-lang.sh
/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386 monodevelop-boo
No translations found for monodevelop-boo
in /home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386
Am I going insane here (more than usual that is) or is find_lang
misbehaving? It works fine for monodevelop and mono itself.
TTFN
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Re: Packaging problem with %find_lang
On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 01:22 +, Paul wrote: The build is producing the following mkdir -p /home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/ cp '../build/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo' '/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo' mkdir -p /home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/ cp '../build/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo' '/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo' Your build is copying its translations into /usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale, where %find_lang is not looking. %find_lang looks for translations in /usr/share/locale -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
CPU hotplug
Currently the cpu hotplug (bringing the cpu to online/offline state) operations are serialized. I was trying to check the possibilities if certain things can be done in parallel here. (like if tried to bring down two processors at the same moment) In the cpu offline path, a call is made to __stop_machine (whose description say : This causes a thread to be scheduled on every cpu, each of which disables interrupts. The result is that noone is holding a spinlock or inside any other preempt-disabled region when @fn() runs. This function assumes cpus won't come or go while it's being called. Used by hotplug cpu.) take_cpu_down (which disables the local apic, makes modifications in the ioapic redirection vector table, modifies the state of the cpu maps, sends CPU_DYING to registered callbacks and finally schedules the idle thread) is the function that gets executed in the target cpu (i.e. the cpu that goes offline) during this entire system halt state. I am trying to understand the main reason for using stop_machine to run take_cpu_down. What are all the main operations done that expects this state of system? Is it because of the cpu maps (which are mostly readonly) getting modified or the modifications to IOAPIC redirection vector table entries? Thanks Sankar ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Postfix, No SMTP AUTH when TLS is enabled
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Raman Gupta rocketra...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 01/01/2010 11:41 PM, froinds J wrote: Hello, I'm having a problem with postfix in F12. I used to have my email server setup with F10. My setup had TLS enabled (self signed certs) with SASL using pwcheck_method=auxprop and CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5. I had virtual accounts. Everything worked great until I installed F12. It was a clean install. My issue now is the following: If I disable TLS, postfix works as expected. If I enable it, I cannot authenticate. Without TLS I can telnet to my server and I get 250-AUTH CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 What auxprop plugin are you using? Cheers, Raman None. What should I use? Froinds -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Postfix, No SMTP AUTH when TLS is enabled
On 01/02/2010 02:58 AM, froinds J wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Raman Gupta rocketra...@fastmail.fm mailto:rocketra...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 01/01/2010 11:41 PM, froinds J wrote: Hello, I'm having a problem with postfix in F12. I used to have my email server setup with F10. My setup had TLS enabled (self signed certs) with SASL using pwcheck_method=auxprop and CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5. I had virtual accounts. Everything worked great until I installed F12. It was a clean install. My issue now is the following: If I disable TLS, postfix works as expected. If I enable it, I cannot authenticate. Without TLS I can telnet to my server and I get 250-AUTH CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 What auxprop plugin are you using? Cheers, Raman None. What should I use? Froinds I guess that depends on how your virtual users are configured. I don't use auxprop myself -- I configure saslauthd to authenticate via pam (pwcheck_method: saslauthd). Then configure the /etc/pam.d/smtp file as desired (mine uses pam_mysql.so to authenticate virtual users against a mysql table). However, based on the docs at http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html it appears that if you use auxprop, it should be configured with a plugin, like auxprop_plugin: sql or auxprop_plugin: sasldb. If you do switch to saslauthd (pam) note the following warning from the same docs: IMPORTANT: The Cyrus SASL password verification services pwcheck and saslauthd can only support the plaintext mechanisms PLAIN or LOGIN. However, the Cyrus SASL library doesn't know this, and will happily advertise other authentication mechanisms that the SASL library implements, such as DIGEST-MD5. As a result, if a remote SMTP client chooses any mechanism other than PLAIN or LOGIN while pwcheck or saslauthd are used, authentication will fail. Thus you may need to limit the list of mechanisms advertised by the Postfix SMTP server. Cheers, Raman -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 20:26 +1100, Chris Smart wrote: Has anyone looked into openSUSE's brilliant integration of Firefox into KDE4? Is this something that interests the Fedora community? Status: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration; Code: http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse; Is there a description of what that actually means? A page of statuses gives no clue, but the name sounds like someone's trying to copy the Microsoft lunacy of integrating MSIE into the desktop. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12: KDE and PulseAudio latest update
On 01/01/2010 06:57 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: Terry Barnaby wrote: On 01/01/2010 05:34 PM, Jud Craft wrote: How to I get Skype to use my USB webcams mic ? GNOME should allow you to choose which device for speaker input. Doesn't the webcam mike show up under Sound Properties (right click on speaker in bar)? Yes, it does work under Gnome, however we use KDE. There does not seem to be away in KDE of setting which devices are used by the pulseaudio default sound device. 2 ways, 1. use pavucontrol 2. updating to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F12/FEDORA-2009-13296 should make all media devices visible in systemsettings-multimedia -- Rex I just tried to update my other systems to pulseaudio-0.9.21-2.fc12. However this seems to have disappeared from updates-testing and been replaced by pulseaudio-0.9.20-1.fc12 ... Has someone built the latest package with the wrong version number ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 20:20 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Clearly we have different needs. I've never needed to do any of those things without stopping the system. In fact the adding space thing is probably what looks most attractive, but I'm paranoid about disk failure so I can't see myself ever expanding a filesystem across more than one physical partition. I do realize that for a large multi-user installation with RAID drives and whatnot LVM is the bee's knees, but on my desktop I just make do with a judicious use of symlinks. It makes almost no sense to use it on laptops, where you can only have a single drive (adding an outboard drive is quite impractical, you'd end up with a box of bits all cabled together). And you face the difficulty of finding recovery tools for LVM (I haven't seen any) for any repair jobs, but there are widely written about tools for rescuing data from ext3 partitions. The only advantage I found for using LVM on my laptop was encryption. I could have the encompassing LVM volume encrypted, and as many partitions as I liked, and only have to unlock the outer container. Using various ext3 partitions, I had to type in the password numerous times to boot up the computer. If you're the sort that uses one huge partition for everything (and that does seem to be the recommendation, these days), *and* you never intend to add a second drive, then LVM is pointless to you. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12: KDE and PulseAudio latest update
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Terry Barnaby ter...@beam.ltd.uk wrote: On 01/01/2010 06:57 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: Terry Barnaby wrote: On 01/01/2010 05:34 PM, Jud Craft wrote: How to I get Skype to use my USB webcams mic ? GNOME should allow you to choose which device for speaker input. Doesn't the webcam mike show up under Sound Properties (right click on speaker in bar)? Yes, it does work under Gnome, however we use KDE. There does not seem to be away in KDE of setting which devices are used by the pulseaudio default sound device. 2 ways, 1. use pavucontrol 2. updating to https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F12/FEDORA-2009-13296 should make all media devices visible in systemsettings-multimedia -- Rex I just tried to update my other systems to pulseaudio-0.9.21-2.fc12. However this seems to have disappeared from updates-testing and been replaced by pulseaudio-0.9.20-1.fc12 ... Has someone built the latest package with the wrong version number ? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=3527 -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12/Subversion/httpd -- PROPFIND access denied [Solved]
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 02:20 -0500, Steven F. LeBrun wrote: The answer: mod_evasive (mod_evasive20.so in my case). The evasive module is designed to stop denial of service attacks. You have to wonder about that... (about it being designed to stop them, instead of create one). It doesn't sound sensibly configured, by default, according to your findings. Though, is your application really making the *same* request that often, or similar requests. If it's making the exact same request, that doesn't sound like a good thing, in itself. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
On 02/01/10 07:27, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 13:33:24 -0600, --snipped-- I don't think you want to do this based on Fedora. The rate of change is very high. Have you looked at Ubuntu LTS distros to see how those would work for you intended market? CentOS may also be thought of here. as both a Desktop and Server. Another issue for Fedora is that it doesn't provide some software (particularly media codecs) because of software patents. If you are talking about implenting this plan in the US, getting additional Fedora compatible software from RPM Fusion (that is blocked from Fedor abecause of software patents) is going to be legally risky. Maybe go the Fluendo way to be covered? -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list server got slower ?
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 11:16 +, Mike Cloaked wrote: All very well - but the fact remains that for a user like me the list is the primary method of discussion about Fedora issues, fixes, workarounds etc. and I would like to see a timely server response - certainly it did not used to be like this with slow response. Maybe when the lists move to their new servers around 9th January 2010 then perhaps the servers will be tuned to deal with posts in a timely fashion? I'm not convinced that the few minutes delay in question is really going to cause you such a big problem. How fast do you expect people to type replies to your question? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Mail Lists: I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users Tony Nelson: Too terse to guide new signups away from the developers' list. The currentname is wordy and wraps too often. And that wrapping has been known to cause problems with some clients, in the past. One way or another (e.g. it's not seen past the wrap). Community assistance for using Fedora. I think the obvious is escaping people's attention. It's a description on a web page that tells people what list to use. A new user isn't very likely to join the list by accidentally finding an email in a search engine, they'll find a web page. The text written on the page needs to provide the information, the naming text next to an email address just needs to be sensible in your mail client. The two don't have to be the same. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 20:10:37 +1030, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: The only advantage I found for using LVM on my laptop was encryption. I could have the encompassing LVM volume encrypted, and as many partitions as I liked, and only have to unlock the outer container. Using various ext3 partitions, I had to type in the password numerous times to boot up the computer. You should have to do that. The password entered for the first encrypted partition gets tried for other ones. Both in the initial part of the boot and later when udev is running. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 20:10 +1030, Tim wrote: If you're the sort that uses one huge partition for everything (and that does seem to be the recommendation, these days), *and* you never intend to add a second drive, then LVM is pointless to you. I keep /, /boot and /home on separate partitions and am happy with how it works. If / grows too large I will move something (e.g. /var/cache) to a directory on /home (or on a second drive) and point to it. There's no problem in adding a second drive as long as you don't expect to merge it into an existing filesystem below the API level (which is what LVM allows). The downside of LVM is that a failure of one of the drives will leave you completely borked in the LVM case and only partially borked in the non-LVM case. If you're careful about how you distribute your filesystem you can reduce the impact, whereas with LVM you have absolutely no control over where it places files. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Micophone is not working in fedora 12 x86_64
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Jatin K ssh.fed...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all I'm using Dell Vostro 1520 with fedora 12 x86_64 kernel is 2.6.31.9-174.fc12.x86_64 , all is working fine but not the microphone ( internal ) these[1 ,2 ] are the output of commands which I think can be helpful to find the solution *_[1]ls -l /sys/module/snd/holders/ _*lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2010-01-02 13:03 snd_hda_codec - ../../snd_hda_codec lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2010-01-02 13:03 snd_hda_codec_idt - ../../snd_hda_codec_idt lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2010-01-02 13:03 snd_hda_intel - ../../snd_hda_intel lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2010-01-02 13:03 snd_hwdep - ../../snd_hwdep lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2010-01-02 13:03 snd_pcm - ../../snd_pcm lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2010-01-02 13:03 snd_seq - ../../snd_seq lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2010-01-02 13:03 snd_seq_device - ../../snd_seq_device lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2010-01-02 13:03 snd_timer - ../../snd_timer _*[2]lspci -nn | grep Audio*_ 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:293e] (rev 03) How do I solve this problem.. as I'm not able to do voice chat http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20090329154523.4357789e%40chris-laptop.localdomainforum_name=alsa-user -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: small gripe -- for Fedora, or KDE, or ....?
Rex Dieter: It goes both ways. For example, Gnome doesn't support the GenericName part of the desktop-spec, whereas KDE in general doesn't offer Comment keys. BeartoothHOS: I have no idea what that jargon refers to. If you look at various something-or-other.desktop files, you can get a grasp of what the contents of them are supposed to do. Just looking at one or two of them mightn't help. Unfortunately, various applications mis-use them (not just some of the desktop environments that read them, but also some of the applications providing their .desktop files). Name= really should contain the actual name of the program. GenericName= should have a name that generically describes the item, but could apply to any other program that does the same task. Comment= should have a useful comment providing info about the item. An example: Name=Firefox GenericName=Web browser Comment=Browse the internet and read web pages And your window manager could make a menu out of the provided data, showing some or all of that as you see fit. You should be able to imagine how that might be presented, with the name in the menu, and the rest in a pop-up, for example. Or perhaps, the application name plus the generic name in the menu, and the comment in a pop up. Some people only want the names, as that's all they need. Unfamiliar users may need the whole lot, particularly with some the weirdly named applications, or when there are more than one application that can do the same thing. And perhaps on a system with only a small set of programs, one per task, it's more appropriate to show unfamiliar users just web browser rather than mention the program name, at all. But users should have the option about that, somewhere. We have other options about how the menus are displayed, in a control panel, but they omit a useful thing like that (show name and/or generic name and/or comments). A bad example (taken from Fedora 11): /usr/share/applications/redhat-audio-player.desktop Name=Audio Player Comment=Play Ogg Vorbis and other audio files *That* name should really be the generic name, because that's what it is (audio player is a generic description). In this case, there actually isn't a generic name section in the file. And the name should say XMMS, to let the user know they'll be starting up XMMS, rather than something else. *That* desktop file isn't a generic start my user's preferred audio player file, it's a start the xmms program desktop file. A desktop file for something like that (where the user has picked their preferred applications, or the installation has preset default ones), could be something like: (Not actually have a Name= section) GenericName=Audio player Comment=Play audio files with default/preferred programme A whiz-bang desktop interface could insert the name of the actual program into the comment or name section, customising it in a user-friendly manner. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need usb troubleshoting tool
On Saturday 02 January 2010, g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Do we have a usb monitoring tool that can detect and name the processes that are apparently fighting over a device plugged into a semi remote usb hub, a 7 port Alps gizmo plugged into one of the mobo ports? see reply to 'subject: nut 0 vs f10 winner'. i believe that you will find that most i/o monitoring is done with a prog that ends with 'stat'. locate stat|grep bin/ should find them for you, then you can run 'man' against name to see what they do. Thanks, I hadn't tried that exact strategy yet, duh... However, nothing that looks applicable seems to appear. Or is it possible that because it is not plugged directly into the motherboard, that some other process is claiming the attention of that hub, and making usbhid-ups _think_ another process has locked the ups for its own use? yes, ups should be on it's own controller and nothing else *at main board*. Little gotcha's like that need to be pointed out in the README's that go with these programs. It would have saved me a week. not 'locked the ups for its own use', but has more like *locked out* ups. In fairness, the error message did say that occasionally. This program contains some python scripts, NUT-Monitor for instance, and while it only reports the online/offline, charge, load and remaining time, it also needs a considerable amount of typing into its gui to get access to the data. I now have that setup as a Desktop button. AI just now found that executing upsstats..cgi from a shell is very noisy, but the data from the ups does seem to be in this noise. But I've no clue how to get firefox to run it instead of downloading it. hth. Yes it does. Thanks. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Garbage In, Gospel Out -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Nut 0 vs F10 winner
On Saturday 02 January 2010, g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I am trying to make nut work, in this case with the usbhid-ups driver for a Belkin UPS. i use apc ups exclusively and it is all i recommend. i did try nut when it first came out, but i went back to apcupsd. Something is interfering with the drivers access to the ups, because, like every else, it has moved to usb. snip failed to claim USB device: could not claim interface 0: Device or resource busy that is telling you what is wrong. snip Does anyone know what might be attempting to gain access to this usb connected device besides usbhid-ups? years back, several of my ee friends and i were sitting around one night just after usb was first introduced, usb came up in discussions. after a few had made comments about how great it would be and how much could be run on it, i said, 'yeah, just like an expressway. it will be great at night and between towns, but during rush hour, it will get congested.' your problem may well be because you have too much running under usb. i have not looked at architecture of usb hardware or drivers, but i would suggest that you do some separating of devices, especially if you have an external hub connected, move ups to a controller where it will be by itself. Yes, I did that last night, and that problem was solved. So I have almost everything working now except the html display in a browser. hth. Yes, we're almost on the same page now. ;-) -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) There's a way out of any cage. -- Captain Christopher Pike, The Menagerie (The Cage), stardate unknown. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: installing 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit system (nouveau issue?)
(warning: added cross posting to fedora-devel) Ramesh.R wrote: You can use 32 bit OS in 64 bit processor. 32 bit address bus will use 64 bit. MSB 32 bits will be idle.. But for the case, 64 bit OS in a 32 bit processor is not possible by theory. No one is talking about that. You are not the only one in this thread to have misunderstood. Suppose you have a 64 bit processor. You can run: (a) 64 bit kernel + 64 bit apps: that would be a pure 64 bit system (b) 64 bit kernel + 64 bit and 32 bit apps: that would be a multilib system, where you keep some 32 apps for some reasons A normal Fedora installation will give you case (a) or (b). Now, consider this: (c) 64 bit kernel + 32 bit apps: this is simply an extreme case of (b), a 64/32 system where every app is 32. Case (c) is interesting because: - you can switch a 32 bit install to this mode by simply installing a 64 bit kernel (and switch back at grub level any time you want) - the 64 bit kernel can handle all your memory better (faster) than 32 or 32+PAE kernel - you avoid the increased memory consumption of 64 bit apps (pointers are wider; there is big debate how much this impacts performance and if it is able to demolish the other improvements of x86_64 such as more regusters and SSE2 guaranteed avalability). Add to this that when you run 32 and 64 bit apps together you have both versions of the system libraries in memory, so the mem usage is higher. Finally, the discussion is: case (c) _SHOULD_ work perfectly in theory (see case (b)), but apparently there are a couple of bad spots for things no one ever run in 32 bit mode on 64 bit kernel. The first one I heard is the Nvidia closed source driver (ok, we already know closed source = unfixable problems), but this thread seems to suggest that nouveau has a similar issue. My suspicion is that it is just an untested area and a fix could be done easily. In any case, it looks like a show stopper for nvidia users. Best regards. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
GDM resolution.
Hi, I have got a problem with GDM resolution. It looks GDM uses a very low resolution. Once I log into Gnome, the resolution is back to normal (1440x900 set by xrandr). I can see there are setting for GDM in gconf-editor. Is there anyway to set the resolution there or should this be set somewhere in /etc/gdm/Init/Default or /etc/gdm/custom.conf maybe? I do not want to use xorg.conf and come back to the past when xrandr does the job for Gnome properly now, for me at least. Any suggestions are very welcome. Thanks. Ges -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 01:27 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 13:33:24 -0600, The hurdle is that Linux usage is very foreign to the average consumer and SMB. Linux is an entirely different system to navigate and administrate. The layout, description and deployment of applications is in whole different paradigm. Fedora has many advantages, but in its raw state it is not very user friendly. I am looking to talk to someone who knows has to create a user friendly approach to Linux that can be effectively pitched to the consumer and SMB market. My business model will simply be to set-up, configure systems, assist with package application selections and train this market for competitive price. Can someone point me to the right person or people who are doing it or potentially have the know-how? I don't think you want to do this based on Fedora. The rate of change is very high. Have you looked at Ubuntu LTS distros to see how those would work for you intended market? Another issue for Fedora is that it doesn't provide some software (particularly media codecs) because of software patents. If you are talking about implenting this plan in the US, getting additional Fedora compatible software from RPM Fusion (that is blocked from Fedor abecause of software patents) is going to be legally risky. Actually, I found these to be rather easy to handle when I set up my own repositories using mrepo and each computer was installed via kickstart which configured it to use the local repo(s) which also included some of the then Livna (now rpmfusion) in a special repo which also included Adobe packages. I think the OP and I have different concept about 'raw state' and 'user friendly' because I found that most users had no trouble with just sitting and using Linux or rather, those that did struggle would have struggled with Windows or Macintosh anyway. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Anyone know of a program to read dicom files?
Anyone know of a program to read dicom files on Linux? I tried both cinepaint and gimp which claim to support dicom files, but cinepaint crashes and gimp says Procedure 'file-dicom-load' returned no return values Any help is appreciated. Paolo -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12/Subversion/httpd -- PROPFIND access denied [Solved]
On 01/02/2010 05:07 AM, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 02:20 -0500, Steven F. LeBrun wrote: The answer: mod_evasive (mod_evasive20.so in my case). The evasive module is designed to stop denial of service attacks. You have to wonder about that... (about it being designed to stop them, instead of create one). It doesn't sound sensibly configured, by default, according to your findings. Though, is your application really making the *same* request that often, or similar requests. If it's making the exact same request, that doesn't sound like a good thing, in itself. Yes, I am sure that the application, svn (Subversion) in this case, is making three identical requests. The requests were captured using Wireshark so I was able to see all the bits sent and received. There are one or two different requests made between each of the identical ones. Without examining the source code, I cannot say why svn makes the same three requests instead of making it once and caching the data. -- Steven F. LeBrun Quote: /Winter meant the coming of the lazy wind, which couldn't be bothered to blow around people and blew right through them instead./ -- Terry Pratchett, from /Wyrd Sisters/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
On Friday 01 January 2010, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Friday 01 January 2010 19:31:07 BeartoothHOS wrote: I know Anaconda offers an option to *hide* LVM, but I don't recall any choice to eschew it entirely. Am I just having a memory lapse? Ehmm, during the installation, at some point Anaconda will ask you how you want the disk set up, and you can choose between various partition layouts: default, this, that, and --- custom. So choose to create custom layout, and use the GUI interface (is it called disk druid?) to create all the partitions you want manually. The type of each partition is at your disposal to choose --- ext#, fat, this, that, etc... Alternetively, you may create LVM volumes and partitions inside them. It's all there in the GUI, and it's completely configurable. Nothing is forced down on you, AFAIK. That's true. However, it *defaults* to LVM. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Anyone know of a program to read dicom files?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Paolo Galtieri pgalti...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know of a program to read dicom files on Linux? I tried both cinepaint and gimp which claim to support dicom files, but cinepaint crashes and gimp says Procedure 'file-dicom-load' returned no return values Any help is appreciated. Paolo Have you successfully opened the files before? Years ago I wrote a simple python based image viewing program to do just this for work and imported ImageMagick to open the files and it worked fine. You can install ImageMagick and use the display command line program or use convert to another format. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Anyone know of a program to read dicom files?
The CD came with its own image display software which runs on Windows. However the software locks up when I run it on Windows. When I try your suggestion I get: display: magick/list.c:485: GetFirstImageInList: Assertion `images-signature == 0xabacadabUL' failed. Aborted (core dumped) running file on the image I get: 1.dicom: DICOM medical imaging data Is it possible that this is a proprietary format? Paolo On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Paolo Galtieri pgalti...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know of a program to read dicom files on Linux? I tried both cinepaint and gimp which claim to support dicom files, but cinepaint crashes and gimp says Procedure 'file-dicom-load' returned no return values Any help is appreciated. Paolo Have you successfully opened the files before? Years ago I wrote a simple python based image viewing program to do just this for work and imported ImageMagick to open the files and it worked fine. You can install ImageMagick and use the display command line program or use convert to another format. Richard -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
Thanks for the response. Robert E. Martin, President CEO 1325 E. 52nd Street Chicago, IL 60615 Phone: (312) 324-0049 Email: rob...@vcmnetwork.com Website: www.vcmnetwork.com -Original Message- From: Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) [mailto:frankl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 4:20 AM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation On 02/01/10 07:27, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 13:33:24 -0600, --snipped-- I don't think you want to do this based on Fedora. The rate of change is very high. Have you looked at Ubuntu LTS distros to see how those would work for you intended market? CentOS may also be thought of here. as both a Desktop and Server. Another issue for Fedora is that it doesn't provide some software (particularly media codecs) because of software patents. If you are talking about implenting this plan in the US, getting additional Fedora compatible software from RPM Fusion (that is blocked from Fedor abecause of software patents) is going to be legally risky. Maybe go the Fluendo way to be covered? -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Anyone know of a program to read dicom files?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Paolo Galtieri pgalti...@gmail.com wrote: The CD came with its own image display software which runs on Windows. However the software locks up when I run it on Windows. When I try your suggestion I get: display: magick/list.c:485: GetFirstImageInList: Assertion `images-signature == 0xabacadabUL' failed. Aborted (core dumped) running file on the image I get: 1.dicom: DICOM medical imaging data Is it possible that this is a proprietary format? Paolo I know I've successfully used it so if it's having issues with the files as well the problem may lay with the files themselves. This[1] site has some additional information, software, and some samples dicom files you can try for reference. Good luck! Richard [1] http://www.sph.sc.edu/comd/rorden/dicom.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Codecs for VLC
On 01/02/2010 01:32 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Jimmickey...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 01/01/2010 12:58 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: VLC DVDPlayback I have libdvdcss already installed. And I should be telling you that this is a X86_64 box. VLC and libdvdcss is a X86_64 rpm My system is 64-bit, also: AMD dual booting F9 12. I installed F12 a couple weeks ago, but only got around to installing (using yum) VLC and libdvdcss, both 64-bit, a few days ago. I tested VLC using a commercial movie DVD (CHICAGO, if you are wondering), and it worked fine. It also worked with a few other movies I had. However, I remember reading quite some time ago, that some DVDs have proprietary encryption/encoding/whatever to prevent copying, etc. and those require a DVD player that is set up with that proprietary key to play. All contemporary players are so outfitted. Older ones aren't. And, of course, this proprietary feature is not available to the general public. So, no way to play the DVD on your computer. This may not be your problem, but it is something to consider. How did you install VLC? If you didn't use yum or an equivalent package manager, you may not have gotten the dependent libraries, etc. My new, but fully updated F12 set up didn't have all the necessary dependencies when I installed VLC. So, check. B both VLC and libdvdcss was installed with Yum. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: reboot cycle, no log messages
Joel Rees wrote: yum provides libfreebl3.so tells me that nss-softokn-freebl is installed. Trying an erase to re-install it tells me that most of the OS and most of the apps seem to be dependent on it, one way or another. Hmm. Bypass yum. rpm -V nss-softokn-freebl or/and rpm -Uhv --replacepkgs --oldpackage nss-softokn-freebl.rpm Are you on 32 or 64 bit? If 64, maybe the libs are incomplete. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 05:09:21 -0700, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: Actually, I found these to be rather easy to handle when I set up my own repositories using mrepo and each computer was installed via kickstart which configured it to use the local repo(s) which also included some of the then Livna (now rpmfusion) in a special repo which also included Adobe packages. The problem isn't easy of use, its risking your clients getting sued for practicing a patent without licensing it. And libdvdcss subjects you to potential criminal liability. (And not just your clients, trafficing in circumvention tools is a crime as well as using them in some juristictions.) While it's likely a home user would be overlooked, if you start doing this stuff for busniesses on a medium to large scale, you may draw some attention to yourself. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need usb troubleshoting tool
Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks, I hadn't tried that exact strategy yet, duh... However, nothing that looks applicable seems to appear. in meantime of my reply post and getting back into f-12, i opened yumex and ran a filter of 'monitor' to see what was there. none of which stated specifically 'usb', but several stated 'i/o' and 'protocol'. [would be nice if yumex had a boolean search feature] Little gotcha's like that need to be pointed out in the README's that go with these programs. It would have saved me a week. consider this when it comes to usb, if it is critical, it should be on it's own controller. then hopefully it will get priority it needs. you could also try 'nice', but i do not know how that would work. not 'locked the ups for its own use', but has more like *locked out* ups. In fairness, the error message did say that occasionally. ok. AI just now found that executing upsstats..cgi from a shell is very noisy, but the data from the ups does seem to be in this noise. But I've no clue how to get firefox to run it instead of downloading it. what do you mean by upsstats.cgi is very noisy? just for fun of it run /var/www/apcupsd/upsstats.cgi|less to see just exactly what is going on. you do not run a '.cgi' from a shell. run man 8 upsstats.cgi to see what it is for. you should have a /usr/share/man/man8/upsstats.cgi.8.gz, which is in 'nut-cgi package'. no, i did not install 'nut', just looking at file list i pulled when i had 'yumex' open. also, see; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface iirc, with 'nut', you need to install both server and client to have it work correctly. therefore, you need to install all 'nut' packages, with exception of development package; nut, nut-cgi, nut-client, nut-hal, nut-xml. [timbw] later. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Nut 0 vs F10 winner
Gene Heskett wrote: Yes, we're almost on the same page now. ;-) ok. what i just sent in reply to 'subject: Need usb troubleshoting tool' should get us even closer. this is fun of working to different threads of near same topic from same person. what is more fun is similar topics from 2 different people. ;) -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Anyone know of a program to read dicom files?
Am Samstag, den 02.01.2010, 09:12 -0400 schrieb Paolo Galtieri: Anyone know of a program to read dicom files on Linux? http://aeskulap.nongnu.org http://www.orcero.org/irbis/kradview/index.html http://www.sph.sc.edu/comd/rorden/dicom.html#links Regards, Christoph -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Friday 01 January 2010 19:31:07 BeartoothHOS wrote: I know Anaconda offers an option to *hide* LVM, but I don't recall any choice to eschew it entirely. Am I just having a memory lapse? Ehmm, during the installation, at some point Anaconda will ask you how you want the disk set up, and you can choose between various partition layouts: default, this, that, and --- custom. So choose to create custom layout, and use the GUI interface (is it called disk druid?) to create all the partitions you want manually. The type of each partition is at your disposal to choose --- ext#, fat, this, that, etc... Yes, and I did, mostly with custom, over and over again. Id est, I tried to increase the size of /boot any way I could, and never found any way to add a single byte. I'm not knowledgeable enough to do sophisticated partitioning -- that would be like a half-blind spastic (both of which I resemble at times) trying to shave with a straight razor. He might succeed, of course. Alternatively, you may create LVM volumes and partitions inside them. It's all there in the GUI, and it's completely configurable. Nothing is forced down on you, AFAIK. I haven't the faintest conception what LVM is, much less what good it is to the Alpha Plus Technoids who understand it, but whose prowess I no more aspire to than they to expertise on the history of tongues. I did try, several times each, not only with Anaconda but by accepting the risk of using gparted and qtparted. All refused, every time, to let me add a single byte to /boot. The only thing I miss is the ability to use old-school fdisk instead of disk druid, but over time I learned to trust it to do its job as well as fdisk. :-) Fdisk is another of the things of which I know only how to spell them; life is too short -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/2 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: Is there a description of what that actually means? A page of statuses gives no clue, but the name sounds like someone's trying to copy the Microsoft lunacy of integrating MSIE into the desktop. Firefox is GTK based which means it integrates into the GNOME/other GTK based environments nicely. It does not integrate nicely with Qt based desktops such as KDE, however. This hack makes Firefox use Qt based components rather than GTK for things like buttons, dialogs, etc, so that it is much more integrated into KDE. Saving a page, for example, brings up the usual KDE file manager. -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
Mail Lists lists at sapience.com writes: Actually chrome is way faster, more secure and takes way way less memory - I suspect firefox usage will slowly tail off much like netscape did in the past - as chrome takes over .. it is so so much better ... even in its beta form. I'd focus your energies there were I you ... Yes Chrome has much promise especially as it is webkit based and not gecko based. Chrome still has issues to resolve - like it does not do rss feeds, and reloading a page often won't reload and you have to clear the browser history. However it does have things that Firefox does not - like speed, and separated processes for each tab - the latter is very fundamentally better than the way Firefox works - It time I agree that it does look as though Chrome may well win - if the Firefox developers don't pay attention to the competition - and gecko is not the way forward - webkit is! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On 01/02/2010 12:33 PM, Mike Cloaked wrote: It time I agree that it does look as though Chrome may well win - if the Firefox developers don't pay attention to the competition - and gecko is not the way forward - webkit is! Agreed - and being native clean c++ code instead of an ancient, rehacked interpreter has enormous speed and reliability benefits - not to mention the old crusty firefox base and its innumerable memory leaks. Webkit is also the core of safari on mac os/x .. so it has active support by a large base of developers - unlike firefox which has done amazingly considering the small number of developers. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
I am somewhat confused. I thought that as an open sourced OS, it was a free license, which included the applications in the repositories. What am I missing? Robert E. Martin, President CEO 1325 E. 52nd Street Chicago, IL 60615 Phone: (312) 324-0049 Email: rob...@vcmnetwork.com Website: www.vcmnetwork.com -Original Message- From: Bruno Wolff III [mailto:br...@wolff.to] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 10:14 AM To: Craig White Cc: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 05:09:21 -0700, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: Actually, I found these to be rather easy to handle when I set up my own repositories using mrepo and each computer was installed via kickstart which configured it to use the local repo(s) which also included some of the then Livna (now rpmfusion) in a special repo which also included Adobe packages. The problem isn't easy of use, its risking your clients getting sued for practicing a patent without licensing it. And libdvdcss subjects you to potential criminal liability. (And not just your clients, trafficing in circumvention tools is a crime as well as using them in some juristictions.) While it's likely a home user would be overlooked, if you start doing this stuff for busniesses on a medium to large scale, you may draw some attention to yourself. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On Saturday 02 January 2010 16:58:08 Chris Smart wrote: 2010/1/2 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: Is there a description of what that actually means? A page of statuses gives no clue, but the name sounds like someone's trying to copy the Microsoft lunacy of integrating MSIE into the desktop. Firefox is GTK based which means it integrates into the GNOME/other GTK based environments nicely. It does not integrate nicely with Qt based desktops such as KDE, however. This hack makes Firefox use Qt based components rather than GTK for things like buttons, dialogs, etc, so that it is much more integrated into KDE. Saving a page, for example, brings up the usual KDE file manager. I believe Tim was asking something else. This is not a question of integrating the browser into the DE, but integrating the DE into the browser. What Microsoft does is to make the whole environment dependent on MSIE --- it is integrated in the sense that you cannot run your system without it (not properly, at least). This is, as Tim well put it, lunacy. What people at openSUSE do is what Chris said --- to adjust Firefox so that it becomes visually and functionally more similar to other KDE apps. It has nothing to do with making KDE dependent on Firefox. The browser is integrated in the sense that it looks more like a KDE app. It is adjusted to communicate better with other parts of DE, and to appear more similar. In that sense one can talk about integrating the DE into the browser, because the browser is being modified to blend into the DE in a nicer way. In principle, this is a good idea. In practice, I'm not sure how well it can be done and is it worth the effort. But I welcome the initiative, of course. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: screensaver vs dpms
jackson byers wrote $ uname -r 2.6.30.9-102.fc11.i686.PAE In my system, the screensaver (blanking the screen) seems to be working as expected. But, I am also experiencing occasional dpms-like suspend blanking, (I am sure it is suspend and not standby) which I don't want, and worse, I can't find out what is causing this response. I don't have an xorg.conf, and would rather keep it that way. If I get out of X via ctl-alt-bs, and then back in via startx, then xset q shows standby, suspend, off all at 0, ie disabled. So what else in f11 can be exciting that suspend? I have done some googling, but no help so far. Are there F11 guidelines for using both screensaver and dpms? tom horsley wrote Try man xset there is also a dpms option (and I've often noticed it fighting with gnome power manager). yes, I have tried the xset dpms flags option eg. 'xset dpms 1201 1801 2401' and these stay set until i reboot or kill X but I _think_ I have seen a stray dpms-like suspend occur at least once even with those settings. So it still looks to me like some other system control. I am using gnome; so maybe gnome power manager is doing something here. My system is a desktop not laptop. Do you have any more info as to just how in your case xset dpms was fighting with gnome power manager? Jack -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Codecs for VLC
Hi Jim, On Saturday 02 January 2010 07:54 AM, Jim wrote: both VLC and libdvdcss was installed with Yum. I think it would be better if you could provide us with more information. Try to run vlc from a terminal, try with other media players. Look in dmesg for clues when you insert a DVD, maybe your problem is not with the media players. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: screensaver vs dpms
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:25:00 -0800 jackson byers wrote: Do you have any more info as to just how in your case xset dpms was fighting with gnome power manager? As near as I can tell the gnome power manager and gnome screensaver implement some kind of gnome specific replacement for the low level xset type operations, yet they don't bother disabling the low level xset settings even when they conflict with the gnome settings, so you wind up with both of them taking effect at unexpected times. There have also been a fantastic number of bugs with the gnome power manager which would do things like trigger screen blanking even though you just typed something about 3 seconds ago (even if you thought you had disabled the gnome power manager). I tend to yum erase gnome-power-manager these days and add startup entries to run xset commands to get more reliable screen blanking when I actually expect it to happen. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
On Sunday 03 January 2010 00:12:03 Robert E. Martin, VCM Network wrote: I am somewhat confused. I thought that as an open sourced OS, it was a free license, which included the applications in the repositories. What am I missing? You are missing the distinction between official Fedora repositories and third party repositories. If you stick to the software present only in the official repositories, then yes, it's all ok, free, no problems with licenses, patents, etc... However, this also means that some otherwise typical desktop functionality will be missing --- no playing of .mp3 files and divx movies, among other things. This extra functionality can be enabled by installing software from third party repositories, such as rpmfusion and livna. But that also means that legality and licensing stuff will become problematic, depending on what exactly you have installed and what are the laws of the country you live in. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Codecs for VLC
--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Jim mickey...@sbcglobal.net wrote: [snip] How did you install VLC? If you didn't use yum or an equivalent package manager, you may not have gotten the dependent libraries, etc. My new, but fully updated F12 set up didn't have all the necessary dependencies when I installed VLC. So, check. B both VLC and libdvdcss was installed with Yum. Okay. Now's the time for more details. What kind of DVD videos are you trying to play: commercial, private, off brand, foreign, pirated, etc.? What happens, shows on the monitor, etc. when you insert the DVD? What does dmesg report? Do music and data DVD/CDs work okay? B -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:12:03 -0600, Robert E. Martin, VCM Network rob...@vcmnetwork.com wrote: I am somewhat confused. I thought that as an open sourced OS, it was a free license, which included the applications in the repositories. What am I missing? Some things are supported by free software but are covered by patents. So while this software can be used in some places, it can not in others. In particular the US currently recognizes software patents. Fedora does not include software that is know to be covered by software patents where there isn't a license to allow for free (in cost) use. This mostly impacts audio and video codecs. The RPM Fusion repo provides software for a number of important codec, but you aren't allowed to use the software in the US without a license agreement from the patent holder. There are ways to get software that comes with such a license, but you need to get it from someplace other than Fedora. In contrast Ubuntu has deals where it can distribute some software which supports codecs covered by patents that Fedora can't. If the tasks you plan to do include playing audio or video that uses nonfree codecs, that would make Ubuntu more attractive to you. Another case is software that is banned in the US. For example if you want to play standard DVDs, you need to be able to decyrpt them. The encryption in combination with the DMCA provide a way for a cartel of movie producers to control the features of DVD players. (For example to prevent people from making backup copies in order to force people to re-buy movies at full price rather than for the cost of media. Or to prevent people from format shifting to force people to re-buy movies for each device (for example iPODs) they own. Because unsanctioned DVD players that decrypt normal DVDs are considered circumvention devices, they are illegal to use or distribute in the US. If you stick to the normal Fedora repositories (NOT RPM Fusion or Livna) you will be OK license-wise, but may not have some functionallity you need. (In which case you will need to get that functionallity from outside of Fedora.) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
whence RPCBIND_ARGS?
i'm tracing the execution of rpcbind on my f12 system, and in the common code, i read: prog=rpcbind [ -f /etc/sysconfig/$prog ] . /etc/sysconfig/$prog while in the start() function, there is: daemon $prog $RPCBIND_ARGS $1 i'm curious about this since: 1) there's no apparent documentation for setting/using $RPCBIND_ARGS 2) there's no /etc/sysconfig/rpcbind file for initial config 3) there's no mention of RPCBIND_ARGS in the rpcbind man page admittedly, that doesn't make any of this *wrong*, it just seems that $RPCBIND_ARGS is kind of hanging out there, without anyone making an effort to explain what might be done with it or why it would be useful. thoughts? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
On 01/02/2010 02:19 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: missing --- no playing of .mp3 files and divx movies, among other things. This extra functionality can be enabled by installing software from third party repositories, such as rpmfusion and livna. But that also means that legality and licensing stuff will become problematic, depending on what exactly you have installed and what are the laws of the country you live in. HTH, :-) Marko If there is a business need - business have no problem paying for appropriate licenses if they can be purchased - whether for mp3 or other. Tho why most business would care about mp3 or divx is beyond me .. those that do care have a solution already - Mr Main St or small 400 employee company cares about the tools they need (whether its accounting software, medical management software, mathematica, or Office Productivity tools etc) - and many are available and many are not free - and that is just fine too. Most companies in my business (large) are huge users of linux already and are quite happy purchasing software (and/or support) they need. They do/did on windows too .. and for MS Office .. etc etc. Business' care about solutions - cost effective yes, but solutions. So what is the problem you're trying to solve - how does linux and addons (pay or otherwise) solve that better than alternatives. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The Counter-Fedora People At #fedora
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:48:43 -0500 Randy Yates ya...@ieee.org wrote: Why do the following people, time after time, insist on banning me for asking fedora questions on #fedora? ...snip... I suggest some possible approaches for you: - If someone is upsetting you or not providing the info you seek, tell them that you don't think they are helping you, and /ignore them. - If you find yourself getting frustrated or upset, step away from the channel for a while and do something relaxing. - Try another support channel and see if that more matches your needs. This mailing list or the forums may match your needs better than IRC. See more ideas at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Maximizing_Support_from_IRC I have been a Fedora user for 4 years (since FC3). I have (for better or worse) provided documentation on some things that have helped me: http://galois.digitalsignallabs.com/notes.htm Have you considered joining up with the docs team? Have a good New Year! You too! kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Email Hosting Recommendations?
Hi All; I'm looking for a good email hosting solution for 5-10 users. Were mostly Linux Desktop users with a few Mac's. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Codecs for VLC
On 01/02/2010 01:42 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: Hi Jim, On Saturday 02 January 2010 07:54 AM, Jim wrote: both VLC and libdvdcss was installed with Yum. I think it would be better if you could provide us with more information. Try to run vlc from a terminal, try with other media players. Look in dmesg for clues when you insert a DVD, maybe your problem is not with the media players. GL Running VLC from command Line. There is no error messages in /var/log/messages $ vlc VLC media player 1.0.4 Goldeneye [0x1b24098] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. [0x7ffdc8001478] vcd access error: no movie tracks found [0x7ffde4000c98] main input error: open of `vcd:///dev/sr0' failed: (null) [0x7ffdc8001258] vcd access error: no movie tracks found [0x7ffde40018b8] main input error: open of `vcd:///dev/sr0' failed: (null) libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 4.1.4 libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access libdvdnav: DVD Title: SEABISCUIT libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 2f4893f3 libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/mickey/.dvdnav/SEABISCUIT.map' libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe. Regions: 1 libdvdread: Attempting to retrieve all CSS keys libdvdread: This can take a _long_ time, please be patient libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x01f6 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB at 0x0551 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB at 0x469d libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_0.VOB at 0x00305d90 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB at 0x00305d94 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_0.VOB at 0x003bfca5 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB at 0x003bfca9 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_0.VOB at 0x003cfcea libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_1.VOB at 0x003cfcee libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_0.VOB at 0x003d33d2 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_1.VOB at 0x003d33d6 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_0.VOB at 0x003d33f8 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_1.VOB at 0x003d33fc libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_0.VOB at 0x003d3413 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_1.VOB at 0x003d3417 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Found 7 VTS's libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffdc82e5358] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:2 samplerate:48000 bitrate:192000 QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1 QPainter::setClipRegion: Painter not active QPainter::setClipping: Painter not active, state will be reset by begin QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1 QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1 QPainter::setClipRegion: Painter not active QPainter::setClipping: Painter not active, state will be reset by begin QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1 [0x7ffdb8000a88] pulse audio output: No. of Audio Channels: 2 No accelerated IMDCT transform found [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_SET_(GROUP_)PCR is called too late, increasing pts_delay to 300 ms [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffdc80a3898] libmpeg2 decoder error: DpbUnlinkPicture called on an invalid picture [0x7ffdc80a3898] libmpeg2 decoder error: DpbUnlinkPicture called on an invalid picture [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered [0x7ffdc81b0a68] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:6 samplerate:48000 bitrate:448000 [0x7ffdb8000a88] pulse audio output: No. of Audio Channels: 6 [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered No accelerated IMDCT transform found [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered [0x7ffdc82e5c48] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture
Re: Codecs for VLC
On 01/02/2010 02:22 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Jimmickey...@sbcglobal.net wrote: [snip] How did you install VLC? If you didn't use yum or an equivalent package manager, you may not have gotten the dependent libraries, etc. My new, but fully updated F12 set up didn't have all the necessary dependencies when I installed VLC. So, check. B both VLC and libdvdcss was installed with Yum. Okay. Now's the time for more details. What kind of DVD videos are you trying to play: commercial, private, off brand, foreign, pirated, etc.? What happens, shows on the monitor, etc. when you insert the DVD? What does dmesg report? Do music and data DVD/CDs work okay? B Commercial videos is where I have the problems. Data DVD/CDs work okay. There is no error messages in /var/log/messages, I run the command tail -f /var/log/messages and get no output when I run VLC from command line. $ vlc VLC media player 1.0.4 Goldeneye [0x1b24098] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. [0x7ffdc8001478] vcd access error: no movie tracks found [0x7ffde4000c98] main input error: open of `vcd:///dev/sr0' failed: (null) [0x7ffdc8001258] vcd access error: no movie tracks found [0x7ffde40018b8] main input error: open of `vcd:///dev/sr0' failed: (null) libdvdnav: Using dvdnav version 4.1.4 libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access libdvdnav: DVD Title: SEABISCUIT libdvdnav: DVD Serial Number: 2f4893f3 libdvdnav: DVD Title (Alternative): libdvdnav: Unable to find map file '/home/mickey/.dvdnav/SEABISCUIT.map' libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe. Regions: 1 libdvdread: Attempting to retrieve all CSS keys libdvdread: This can take a _long_ time, please be patient libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB at 0x01f6 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.VOB at 0x0551 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB at 0x469d libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_0.VOB at 0x00305d90 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB at 0x00305d94 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_0.VOB at 0x003bfca5 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_03_1.VOB at 0x003bfca9 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_0.VOB at 0x003cfcea libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_04_1.VOB at 0x003cfcee libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_0.VOB at 0x003d33d2 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_1.VOB at 0x003d33d6 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_0.VOB at 0x003d33f8 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_06_1.VOB at 0x003d33fc libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_0.VOB at 0x003d3413 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_07_1.VOB at 0x003d3417 libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 libdvdread: Found 7 VTS's libdvdread: Elapsed time 0 [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffdc82e5358] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:2 samplerate:48000 bitrate:192000 QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1 QPainter::setClipRegion: Painter not active QPainter::setClipping: Painter not active, state will be reset by begin QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1 QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1 QPainter::setClipRegion: Painter not active QPainter::setClipping: Painter not active, state will be reset by begin QPainter::begin: Paint device returned engine == 0, type: 1 [0x7ffdb8000a88] pulse audio output: No. of Audio Channels: 2 No accelerated IMDCT transform found [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_SET_(GROUP_)PCR is called too late, increasing pts_delay to 300 ms [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffdc80a3898] libmpeg2 decoder error: DpbUnlinkPicture called on an invalid picture [0x7ffdc80a3898] libmpeg2 decoder error: DpbUnlinkPicture called on an invalid picture [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffde4002298] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered [0x7ffdc81b0a68] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:6 samplerate:48000 bitrate:448000 [0x7ffdb8000a88] pulse audio output: No. of Audio Channels: 6 [0x7ffdc8052198] libmpeg2 decoder error: invalid picture encountered No accelerated IMDCT
Re: Nut 0 vs F10 winner
On Saturday 02 January 2010, g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Yes, we're almost on the same page now. ;-) ok. what i just sent in reply to 'subject: Need usb troubleshoting tool' should get us even closer. this is fun of working to different threads of near same topic from same person. Sorry about that, if you were handy I'd buy you a beer see if we can get confused together. :) what is more fun is similar topics from 2 different people. ;) Now that I think begins to have the flavor of a bug. I did find a gui that sorta works, knutclient-0.9.5.tar.gz. Its not 100% but well enough to see if everything is healthy. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) |Rain| with sane code, maybe I could figure out the renderer :) LordHavoc rain: I'd probably be the one writing the renderer |Rain| well, er, uh -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Need usb troubleshoting tool
On Saturday 02 January 2010, g wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks, I hadn't tried that exact strategy yet, duh... However, nothing that looks applicable seems to appear. in meantime of my reply post and getting back into f-12, i opened yumex and ran a filter of 'monitor' to see what was there. none of which stated specifically 'usb', but several stated 'i/o' and 'protocol'. [would be nice if yumex had a boolean search feature] Little gotcha's like that need to be pointed out in the README's that go with these programs. It would have saved me a week. consider this when it comes to usb, if it is critical, it should be on it's own controller. then hopefully it will get priority it needs. you could also try 'nice', but i do not know how that would work. not 'locked the ups for its own use', but has more like *locked out* ups. In fairness, the error message did say that occasionally. ok. AI just now found that executing upsstats..cgi from a shell is very noisy, but the data from the ups does seem to be in this noise. But I've no clue how to get firefox to run it instead of downloading it. what do you mean by upsstats.cgi is very noisy? just for fun of it run /var/www/apcupsd/upsstats.cgi|less to see just exactly what is going on. Attached. you do not run a '.cgi' from a shell. run man 8 upsstats.cgi to see what it is for. you should have a /usr/share/man/man8/upsstats.cgi.8.gz, which is in 'nut-cgi package'. no, i did not install 'nut', just looking at file list i pulled when i had 'yumex' open. also, see; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface iirc, with 'nut', you need to install both server and client to have it work correctly. therefore, you need to install all 'nut' packages, with exception of development package; nut, nut-cgi, nut-client, nut-hal, nut-xml. [timbw] later. All from tarballs since the rpms are too old to deal with this 2+ year old ups, with paths corrected well enough it now runs, except for a fail report from upsdrvctl when starting the init.d/ups script, which works, but reports a FAIL. And it was configured with all optional pieces, built and installed. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) I Know A Joke!! Content-type: text/html Pragma: no-cache !-- upsstats template file -- !-- This (upsstats.html) is the default template file which is used when upsstats.cgi is loaded with no arguments. It usually contains a FOREACHUPS block to iterate through every UPS in the hosts.conf. See upsstats.html(5) for more information on template files. -- !-- change this to TEMPF if you don't like Celsius. -- !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd; html head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 title Network UPS Tools upsstats 2.4.1 : UPS Status /title !-- link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=nut.css / -- /head body BGCOLOR=#FF TEXT=#00 LINK=#EE VLINK=#551A8B table BGCOLOR=#50A0A0 ALIGN=CENTER trtd table CELLPADDING=5 tr th COLSPAN=10 BGCOLOR=#60B0B0 font SIZE=+2Network UPS Tools upsstats 2.4.1 /font br Sat Jan 02 16:47:16 EST 2010 /th /tr tr BGCOLOR=#60B0B0 th COLSPAN=1System/th th COLSPAN=1Model/th th COLSPAN=1Status/th th COLSPAN=1Battery/th th COLSPAN=1Input (VAC)/th th COLSPAN=1Output (VAC)/th th COLSPAN=1Load (%)/th th COLSPAN=1UPSbrTemp/th th COLSPAN=1BatterybrRuntime/th th COLSPAN=1DatabrTree/th /tr tr ALIGN=CENTER td BGCOLOR=#00 a href=upsstats.cgi?host=my...@localhostBelkin Local UPS/a /td td BGCOLOR=#00 Belkin UPS /td td BGCOLOR= #00FF00 ONLINEbr /td td BGCOLOR=#00FF00 100 % /td td BGCOLOR= #00FF00 126.0 /td td BGCOLOR=#00FF00 125.6 /td td BGCOLOR=#00FF00 32 % /td td BGCOLOR=#00FF00 /td td BGCOLOR=#00FF00 00:02:00 /td td BGCOLOR=#00FF00 a href=upsstats.cgi?host=my...@localhostamp;treemodeAll data/a /td /tr /table /td/tr /table hr /divsmall a href=http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer;img style=float:right src=http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/images/vcss; alt=Valid CSS! height=31 width=88//a a href=http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer;img style=float:right src=http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-html40; alt=Valid HTML 4.0 Transitional height=31 width=88/a /small/div /body/html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Email Hosting Recommendations?
On 01/02/2010 03:06 PM, Kevin Kempter wrote: Hi All; I'm looking for a good email hosting solution for 5-10 users. Were mostly Linux Desktop users with a few Mac's. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance I used to host my own email on an old Fedora server. I've since moved sterndata.com to Google. With Google For Your Domain, you can get 5-10 accounts for free. http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/index.html -- see the standard plan. You access get to your accounts via POP, IMAP, web, and Exchange Active Sync. I use thunderbird on my Linux desktop, Outlook on my Windows laptop and the native email, calendar, and contact apps on my iPhone. All with the free, standard edition. In addition, each account can have a very large number of aliases. -- Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
fedorafaq?
anybody know what happened to fedorafaq.org? Still showing F10 as their current version. Dave -- It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. Krishnamurti -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Email Hosting Recommendations?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kevin Kempter kev...@consistentstate.com wrote: I'm looking for a good email hosting solution for 5-10 users. Were mostly Linux Desktop users with a few Mac's. With that small number of users, you'd fit in the free version of Google Domains. You can either read your mail online with a UI that looks just like GMail, or configure it to use POP or IMAP. I use Google Domains, and am very happy with it. It includes spam filtering that works pretty well. Basically what you do when you sign up is prove to Google that you own the domain by placing a file they specify on your web server, or else adding a DNS record if you don't have a web server. Then you configure each of your user accounts, and set up some MX records that point to Google's mail servers. Don Quixote. -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Email Hosting Recommendations?
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 14:06 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: I'm looking for a good email hosting solution for 5-10 users. Were mostly Linux Desktop users with a few Mac's. Any particular reason why you don't just set up your own mailserver? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Email Hosting Recommendations?
2010/1/2 Kevin Kempter kev...@consistentstate.com: Hi All; I'm looking for a good email hosting solution for 5-10 users. Were mostly Linux Desktop users with a few Mac's. Any suggestions? Google mail, it can work with your own domain name :- http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/index.html#utm_medium=etutm_source=catch_all Aaron -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Email Hosting Recommendations?
2010/1/2 Kevin Kempter kev...@consistentstate.com: I'm looking for a good email hosting solution for 5-10 users. Were mostly Linux Desktop users with a few Mac's. Any suggestions? If you want to pay for Support, then something like here: http://www.rackspace.com/email_hosting/rackspace_email (Full Disclosure: I work in another division of that Company) If you don't want Support, why not something like Google Apps for Domains? That's what I use... (I also have Macs in the house) -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Email Hosting Recommendations?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Frank Cox thea...@sasktel.net wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 14:06 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: I'm looking for a good email hosting solution for 5-10 users. Were mostly Linux Desktop users with a few Mac's. Any particular reason why you don't just set up your own mailserver? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Yes just buy a dedicated served pre-loaded with Linux and install Mail server stack (eg: Postfix + Dovecot + Spamassain + Amavis + Squirrelmail). -- Athmane Madjoudj -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: fedorafaq?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Dave Stevens g...@uniserve.com wrote: anybody know what happened to fedorafaq.org? Still showing F10 as their current version. Dave -- It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. Krishnamurti -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines Here is the Official FAQ: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ -- Athmane Madjoudj -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Codecs for VLC
On Saturday 02 January 2010 01:23 PM, Jim wrote: On 01/02/2010 02:22 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: Okay. Now's the time for more details. What kind of DVD videos are you trying to play: commercial, private, off brand, foreign, pirated, etc.? What happens, shows on the monitor, etc. when you insert the DVD? What does dmesg report? Do music and data DVD/CDs work okay? B Commercial videos is where I have the problems. Data DVD/CDs work okay. There is no error messages in /var/log/messages, I run the command tail -f /var/log/messages and get no output when I run VLC from command line. $ vlc VLC media player 1.0.4 Goldeneye [0x1b24098] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. [0x7ffdc8001478] vcd access error: no movie tracks found [0x7ffde4000c98] main input error: open of `vcd:///dev/sr0' failed: (null) [0x7ffdc8001258] vcd access error: no movie tracks found [0x7ffde40018b8] main input error: open of `vcd:///dev/sr0' failed: (null) I think this might be the problem. Right now I am watching a commercial DVD with VLC. (totem also works) What does `dmesg |tail -20' give you? On my system this is what I get when I put DVDs in my DVD drive. UDF-fs: Partition marked readonly; forcing readonly mount UDF-fs INFO UDF: Mounting volume 'CHIUCK_SEASON_1_DISC_1', timestamp 2008/06/24 08:42 (1e20) SELinux: initialized (dev sr0, type udf), uses genfs_contexts UDF-fs: Partition marked readonly; forcing readonly mount UDF-fs INFO UDF: Mounting volume 'VAI-D1', timestamp 2009/08/12 11:05 (1e20) SELinux: initialized (dev sr0, type udf), uses genfs_contexts PS: I am making a wild guess, could you try something like this to play your DVD: `vlc dvd:///dev/sr0' btw, Seabiscuit is one awesome movie. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
random lockups when using Firefox
Hi, I have a F12 box that periodically locks up solid when visiting certain Flash-based sites in Firefox. There are usually no odd messages found in /var/log/messages to indicate what went wrong, except a couple of days ago, after a crash, I found this: Dec 29 13:01:50 jupiter kernel: [drm:radeon_fence_wait] *ERROR* fence(f1045aa0:0x0507) 942ms timeout going to reset GPU Dec 29 13:01:50 jupiter kernel: [drm] RB2D reset succeed (RBBM_STATUS=0x80010140) Dec 29 13:01:50 jupiter kernel: [drm] CP reset succeed (RBBM_STATUS=0x0140) Dec 29 13:01:50 jupiter kernel: [drm] radeon: cp idle (0x1000) Dec 29 13:01:50 jupiter kernel: [drm] radeon: ring at 0x2000 Dec 29 13:01:50 jupiter kernel: [drm] ring test succeeded in 1 usecs Dec 29 13:01:50 jupiter kernel: [drm] GPU reset succeed (RBBM_STATUS=0x0140) Dec 29 13:01:50 jupiter kernel: [drm:radeon_fence_wait] *ERROR* fence(f1045aa0:0x0507) 954ms timeout (etc.) My video card is a: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)] Could there be some bug with the radeon driver that is causing this? - Julian -- [ Julian C. Dunn jd...@aquezada.com * Sorry, I'm] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian* only Web 1.0 ] [ gopher://sdf.lonestar.org/11/users/keymaker * compliant!] [ PGP: 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 ] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Email Hosting Recommendations?
On 01/02/2010 04:00 PM, Frank Cox wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 14:06 -0700, Kevin Kempter wrote: I'm looking for a good email hosting solution for 5-10 users. Were mostly Linux Desktop users with a few Mac's. Any particular reason why you don't just set up your own mailserver? I used to do that, but then I wanted more... synchronization of contacts, mail, and calendars among machines, iPhone access, better web access than Horde, etc. I came close to setting up an Exchange server (had a free copy via some MS promotion), but opted for Google instead. -- Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: whence RPCBIND_ARGS?
On 02Jan2010 14:47, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: | i'm tracing the execution of rpcbind on my f12 system, and in the | common code, i read: | | prog=rpcbind | [ -f /etc/sysconfig/$prog ] . /etc/sysconfig/$prog | | while in the start() function, there is: | | daemon $prog $RPCBIND_ARGS $1 | | i'm curious about this since: | | 1) there's no apparent documentation for setting/using $RPCBIND_ARGS man rpcbind describes a heap of options. Clearly you can put any of them into RPCBIND_ARGS. | 2) there's no /etc/sysconfig/rpcbind file for initial config A pity. There really ought to be a stub file with an empty RPCBIND_ARGS= assignment. And a comment. | 3) there's no mention of RPCBIND_ARGS in the rpcbind man page Of course not. It's an artifact of the f12 startup scripts, not the rpcbind daemon itself. | admittedly, that doesn't make any of this *wrong*, it just seems | that $RPCBIND_ARGS is kind of hanging out there, without anyone making | an effort to explain what might be done with it or why it would be | useful. thoughts? Like all the /etc/sysconfig files, you can put something like: RPCBIND_ARGS=-h some.local.lan.address or the like to start rpcbind with particular arguments. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au DoD#743 http://www.cskk.ezoshosting.com/cs/ Feeling Stressed Out? Sometimes it helps to think of happy scenes, maybe a pastoral field, a field with a babbling brook. You're there on a lovely summer's day . . . . . . holding someone's head under the water. Now you're letting them up for a second, then blam! Back into the freezing water! Over and over again!! There! Feel better? - Steve Daniels (Official JBT of a.p) dani...@cdsnet.net -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedora 11/12 kernels as xen domU
Is anyone having any stability with the fedora kernels running as a Xen DomU. Dom0 is a Centos 5.4 2.6.18-164.9.1.el5xen kernel. These fedora kernels seem to lockup (processes get stuck in D state) whenever put under any load: kernel-2.6.30.10-105.fc11.x86_64 kernel-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.x86_64 kernel-2.6.31.9-174.fc12.x86_64 Yes, I tried a fedora 11 kernel on a fedora 12 system. This is the most stable for me. Here are some bugzilla entries (one posted by me) that point to this problem: kernel 2.6.31 processes lock up in D state https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=550724 FC12 2.6.31.9-174.fc12.x86_64 hangs under heavy disk I/O https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551552 -- Norman Gaywood, Computer Systems Officer University of New England, Armidale, NSW 2351, Australia ngayw...@une.edu.auPhone: +61 (0)2 6773 3337 http://mcs.une.edu.au/~normFax: +61 (0)2 6773 3312 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:10:37 +1030, Tim wrote It makes almost no sense to use it on laptops, where you can only have single drive (adding an outboard drive is quite impractical, you'd end up with a box of bits all cabled together). And you face the difficulty of finding recovery tools for LVM (I haven't seen any) for any repair jobs, but there are widely written about tools for rescuing data from ext3 partitions. The only advantage I found for using LVM on my laptop was encryption. I could have the encompassing LVM volume encrypted, and as many partitions as I liked, and only have to unlock the outer container. Using various ext3 partitions, I had to type in the password numerous times to boot up the computer. If you're the sort that uses one huge partition for everything (and that does seem to be the recommendation, these days), *and* you never intend to add a second drive, then LVM is pointless to you. ONE HUGE PARTITION? I'd like to know who is crazy enough to recommend that, because I would want to stay well away from him. That's *almost* as bad as win(spit!). I always set up my boxen with separate partitions for /boot, /home, /tmp, /var and /. And /var/lib/mysql is a symlink into /home/misc, as is /var/www/html. That way if /tmp or /var ever fill from error messages, it is simple to clean up and get running again. Also, with /home as a separate partition, it is dead simple to install again, or install a new version or distro without destroying all your data. Most installs seem to want to over-write /var too, even if/when you say 'Don't format', which is why /var/lib/mysql and /var/www/html are symlinked elsewhere. (You *DO* want to lose your Nolapro accounting setup and accounting data too in one swell foop?). On this desktop I also have a partition for /usr/local, for all my *own* programs and scripts. Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: Be regular. Eat cron flakes. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that stand out are something the ISP's are doing and also with the NetBIOS name resolution order done by Samba. It seems many ISP's are now using DNS redirection in place of simply returning an error message that the URL can't be found with the appropriate error code. Instead they redirect bad URL's to some advert site or offer to do a search for a similar URL. This redirection seems to really screw with Samba's NetBIOS name resolution method. Fortunately for me Comcast has a way through the user account preferences to turn this feature OFF. Various posts on the 'net claim this violates the documented way DNS look ups work. The suggestion is to either turn it off if you can, which may involve a phone call to your ISP, if not then LOUDLY complain about it screwing up you network. The second item is the NetBIOS name resolution order in Samba. I have the following line in my samba.conf file: name resolve order = lmhosts wins bcast host dhcp Anybody care to comment about this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/389909 Right now browsing for local shares using Samba through Nautilus's Network option seems to be working, for now. Regards; Leland C. Scott KC8LDO -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On 01/02/2010 06:54 PM, KC8LDO wrote: I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that Stop using your ISP DNS then the problem goes away. either 1) run your own DNS .. Or simply - 2) use opendns - its free and the fastest public dns -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 11:35 -0500, Beartooth Comcast wrote: I tried to increase the size of /boot any way I could, and never found any way to add a single byte. Note that you can only do that if there's unassigned space after the partition you want to grow. If there isn't, you have to create it. For example the following is a typical layout (ignoring swap for simplicity): |-- / --|- /boot -|-- /home --| Assuming that /home fills all the remaining space, you'd need to first shrink it: |-- / --|- /boot -|- /home -| | then shift it rightwards: |-- / --|- /boot -| |- /home -| and finally grow /boot: |-- / --|-- /boot --|- /home -| In gparted you just set all this up and then the program will figure out the best order to execute the various operations to get the result. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
Mail Lists li...@sapience.com writes: On 01/02/2010 06:54 PM, KC8LDO wrote: I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that Stop using your ISP DNS then the problem goes away. either 1) run your own DNS .. Or simply - 2) use opendns - its free and the fastest public dns I've been using 4.2.2.4 and 4.2.2.5 for years - is opendns better than that? -- Randy Yates % And all that I can do Digital Signal Labs % is say I'm sorry, mailto://ya...@ieee.org % that's the way it goes... http://www.digitalsignallabs.com % Getting To The Point', *Balance of Power*, ELO -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:54:13 -0500, KC8LDO kc8...@arrl.net wrote: Anybody care to comment about this? You can also run your own caching resolver. Less ISPs mess with DNS packets than have bogus resolvers. It not just returning bogus addresses instead of nxdomain, but also bogus TTLs that can make seeing changes take longer and the potential for censorship as some censorship is done at the DNS level. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/3 Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com: In principle, this is a good idea. In practice, I'm not sure how well it can be done and is it worth the effort. But I welcome the initiative, of course. It has already been done and it was certainly worth the effort. Download the openSUSE KDE Live CD and see for yourself! :-) -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On 01/02/2010 07:51 PM, Randy Yates wrote: Mail Lists li...@sapience.com writes: On 01/02/2010 06:54 PM, KC8LDO wrote: I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that Stop using your ISP DNS then the problem goes away. either 1) run your own DNS .. Or simply - 2) use opendns - its free and the fastest public dns I've been using 4.2.2.4 and 4.2.2.5 for years - is opendns better than that? You can test if its true for you - google has a tool (haven't tried it) called namebench http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ Maybe it can help .. or you could just run a few queries and see .. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On 01/02/2010 07:51 PM, Randy Yates wrote: 2) use opendns - its free and the fastest public dns I've been using 4.2.2.4 and 4.2.2.5 for years - is opendns better than that? namebench GUI crashes on me (f12) but command line version runs fine .. it even tells you who is hijacking .. ha ha .. ./namebench.py -x I am running -r 20 as I dont want to wait for 200 tests .. also there are some graphs on the websit ein my prev email showing speeds from their tests using namebench. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Basic End User Rollout Support Operation
I understand. On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 19:19 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Sunday 03 January 2010 00:12:03 Robert E. Martin, VCM Network wrote: I am somewhat confused. I thought that as an open sourced OS, it was a free license, which included the applications in the repositories. What am I missing? You are missing the distinction between official Fedora repositories and third party repositories. If you stick to the software present only in the official repositories, then yes, it's all ok, free, no problems with licenses, patents, etc... However, this also means that some otherwise typical desktop functionality will be missing --- no playing of .mp3 files and divx movies, among other things. This extra functionality can be enabled by installing software from third party repositories, such as rpmfusion and livna. But that also means that legality and licensing stuff will become problematic, depending on what exactly you have installed and what are the laws of the country you live in. HTH, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
Bruno; I hear you about DNS sensor ship. I guess that's one way the great firewall of China does it. I have a buddy at work that had a 2 week gig to do in Abu Dhabi some months back. He couldn't use his Skype phone there. They had it filtered out including any of the third party proxy servers that were used for a while to get around the initial filtering being done. I told him setting up a proxy server at home maybe one way to prevent that from happening again. He has also had a few problems in China as well, but not with Sype so far. Speaking about bogus resolvers, having the ISP's mess with DNS, is just the start of it. Wait until they get around to forcing people to install custom TCP/IP stacks that ONLY will work on their network as a means to monitor and control traffic. There is nothing the FCC has done that excludes this option. Regards; Leland C. Scott KC8LDO - Original Message - From: Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to To: KC8LDO kc8...@arrl.net Cc: fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed? On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:54:13 -0500, KC8LDO kc8...@arrl.net wrote: Anybody care to comment about this? You can also run your own caching resolver. Less ISPs mess with DNS packets than have bogus resolvers. It not just returning bogus addresses instead of nxdomain, but also bogus TTLs that can make seeing changes take longer and the potential for censorship as some censorship is done at the DNS level. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On 01/02/2010 10:53 PM, KC8LDO wrote: Speaking about bogus resolvers, having the ISP's mess with DNS, is just the start of it. Wait until they get around to forcing people to install custom TCP/IP stacks that ONLY will work on their network as a means to monitor and control traffic. There is nothing the FCC has done that excludes this option. A little paranoid are we ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
xen winxp guest image under fedora11 kvm host
Hi all, I have a xen geust image (winxp) which i would like to use it under fedora 11/12 under kvm. I know that i can use it, it works BUT its dam slow, dose any one know of the tricks that would make it perform the same as it were under the Xen0 -- Regards, mantra - Instrument of Thought -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
john wendel wrote: On 12/31/2009 12:14 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Konstantin Svist wrote: On 12/31/2009 09:10 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: And leaves you with no Fedora patches and the disk performance regression issues of 2.6.32. Also a tainted kernel which some developers will ignore if you get a trace, etc. I thought it's only tainted if there are non-GPL modules compiled in. For instance, I saw the tainted message whenever I insmod'ed fglrx driver You're right, I am assuming he was talking about the nvidia modules which are not GPL, when he mentioned 2.6.32.2+Nvidia. So it would only me tainted if he wanted to have graphics. Or the licensing may have changed, things are not the same for long. Who needs the Fedora patches? I'm not missing them here. Can you tell me exactly the patches I'm missing and what they would do for me? If these patches are so valuable, why aren't they submitted upstream so the world can benefit. Maybe because Linus doesn't want them? I haven't noticed any disk performance regression/problem. Maybe I don't beat it hard enough. hdparm -Tt shows 60.84 MB/s with the fedora kernel and 61.09 MB/s with my kernel. I know there's a CFS throughput problem, but that's easily fixed. You probably won't see a problem with random access using the hdpart sequential access test ;-) But there's a thread in LKML something like 30% regression in random throughput and depending on what you do you will really see that. My Fedora kernel would also be tainted, since I have to run the Nvidia driver in any case. I don't see any down side to running my own kernel. Plus I save 8MB of kernel memory (enough to negate the bloated Nvidia driver), and I enjoy the tweaking. I was mentioning 2.6.32 particularly, not building kernels in general. I built that to try the new video drivers (lock up and run 3x slower than vesa for me), and BFS (guess I don't trigger anything that shows its advantages, if any). But I don't bother to build daily kernels unless there a good reason. Been there done that, ran -ck, -aa, -mm, and -ac kernels, built 2.5 kernels daily, 3-4/day when CFS patches were coming out a lot, and unless I have a patch to test I leave it to others. Best wishes in the new year! John -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
help - recovering virtual machine
I have an image file with everything I need installed on it. It was running fine in f11 (has win xp in it). I intalled f12. What do I need to do/recover from backups - so that virt-manager sees the vm ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where did my penguins go? - THAT'S LIFE
Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 12:15 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Sam Varshavchik wrote: g writes: Richard Shaw wrote: Many thanks to all, but after trying all of the suggested VESA alternatives I've concluded that the nouveau driver sans penguins is vastly superior. Setting vga=0x37d for a starting text screen with a 1920x1200x32 resolution displayed the four penguins, but when startup switched to graphical mode the screen went solid black. Using the vesafb driver fixed that, but the result is S-L-O-W. If your LCD display is like most of mine, it takes a moment to change mode when the scan rate changes. The penguins come up early, it's possible that the display misses them. Note, I'm throwing that out for discussion, not stating it as a fact. The nouveau driver is a big improvement over nv, but it apparently lacks the ability to display core penguins after the startmenu. As I speculated in my original post, this seems to be an artifact of the nouveau driver. Considering the alternatives, I can accept that. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: random lockups when using Firefox
2010/1/3 Julian C. Dunn li...@aquezada.com: Hi, I have a F12 box that periodically locks up solid when visiting certain Flash-based sites in Firefox. There are usually no odd messages found in /var/log/messages to indicate what went wrong, except a couple of days ago, after a crash, I found this: Dec 29 13:01:50 jupiter kernel: [drm:radeon_fence_wait] *ERROR* --SNIP-- Could there be some bug with the radeon driver that is causing this? - Julian -- [ Julian C. Dunn jd...@aquezada.com * Sorry, I'm ] [ WWW: http://www.aquezada.com/staff/julian * only Web 1.0 ] [ gopher://sdf.lonestar.org/11/users/keymaker * compliant! ] [ PGP: 91B3 7A9D 683C 7C16 715F 442C 6065 D533 FDC2 05B9 ] Do you have desktop effects enabled? -- Hiisi. Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/ -- Spandex is a privilege, not a right. -- SIP: hi...@ekiga.net -- pub 1024D/085B139A -- Powered by Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help - recovering virtual machine
On 01/03/2010 12:33 AM, Mail Llists wrote: I have an image file with everything I need installed on it. It was running fine in f11 (has win xp in it). I intalled f12. What do I need to do/recover from backups - so that virt-manager sees the vm ? I should add I can run the image fine from command line (qemu-kvm) - I just dont know how to get it managed by virt-manager again like it was. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
